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Date: 2014/09/26 14:21:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I have found Barry to be fun to play with. Under my William Spearshake moniker (I was banned as A_B). He has written two, or is it now three, OPs specifically about me. I was the one that he called a lying obfuscating... And this on the same post that he lectured me about being uncharitable and cynical.

His latest was to identify a contradiction that he discovered between two materialist 'beliefs'. I pointed out that is second materialist belief, that anything that can create life must be supernatural, was false and therefore his entire OP had no point.

Date: 2014/09/26 17:06:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Thank you for the welcome. But I wasn't banned until just now. But I am willing to bet that my most recent ban is a twist on the Barry Arrogant saga.

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William Spearshake, AKA Acrtia_Bogart, is no longer with us,

UD Editors: We did not write this; WS did. He was not banned. We assume that he could no longer deal with the dissonance of having to commit and then defend so much error in order to prop up his world view. We will miss him. As we said in one of our posts, he certainly provided us with a rich vein of materialist error to mine.


I get banned. And then Barry tells everyone that I wrote it myself.

Date: 2014/09/27 19:01:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
How do Barry Arrogant and KF not dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back?

Date: 2014/09/27 19:07:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry Arrogant upon someone questioning whether someone was banned, or just faked their death:

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Barry ArringtonSeptember 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Do you seriously not understand that implicit in your request was the suggestion that I was lying? OK. I will take your word for it.


Apparently, calling Barry a liar, which he is, is a capital offence at UD.

Date: 2014/09/29 07:25:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Leading Hand, Barry Arrogant just demonstrated your exact point I a recent post DK Demonstrates the "Turnabout Tactic".

This entire post is about the audacity of Daniel King calling Barry a liar for banning a commenter. Since I am the commenter who was banned, I can honestly say that Barry was lying when he said that he didn't ban me. But that really isn't the point. The real point is that DK never called Barry a liar. All he did was voice his opinion that I would not write a comment with the intent of misleading people into believing that I was banned.

But, not only must Barry defend his honour, he must belittle and demean his "accuser" while he does so.

But the most hilarious statement in this entire post is the following:
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I thought about posting a further defense and then thought better of it. I decided that reasonable people would see through DK’s tactics for themselves, and if they did not there was probably no help for them.

So, responding to DK's accusations would be beneath him, but crafting an entire OP describing the event is OK.

Date: 2014/10/01 15:18:36, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Barry: Thank you for illustrating the point that materialists are so blinded by their religious commitments that they say crazy things like their theory to account for the facts (i.e., their scientific model) is the same as the facts themselves.


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Barry: For you to say that you do shows once again that you are deeply confused.


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Barry: Thank you also for this little tidbit. Your failure to understand the difference between data and models that account for that data (which, incredibly, you repeated after correction) suggests that you should perhaps attend a freshman philosophy course instead of dismissing its relevance so flippantly. Once again we have a materialist pushing a claim with a confidence, indeed a relish, that is inversely proportional to its veracity.


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Barry: Nailing Jello to the wall is child’s play compared to having a rational discussion with a committed materialist. Their religion requires them to be dogmatically assertive one moment and infinitely flexible the next. Tough religion. And funny too, in a kind of sad/pathetic way.


At what point did Barry start a rational discussion? All I see is insult after insult.

Date: 2014/10/05 09:57:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry is a complete buffoon. He claims to be using the following as a definition of random: "“Proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern". Yet, on one hand he is saying that his first string is random by this definition, and he later says that he created this string by running his fingers over the keyboard in order to simulate a random string. This sounds like it is being produce with an aim and purpose in mind.

Date: 2014/10/05 16:01:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Well, he's not enough of an idiot to come over here where he can't ban those who make him look stupid.


But he is learning. He no longer announces when he bans somebody. Their comments just no longer appear.

Date: 2014/10/06 16:45:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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I don’t know to whom you are referring, but it is an objective fact that anyone who says a string from Hamlet is “random” in any meaningful sense of that word is stupid or insane.


The Barry Arrington rational argument style at its best. If you disagree with him it is glaringly obvious that you are stupid or insane. I wonder if he ever uses that line in court.

Date: 2014/10/06 18:06:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
The death knell of an intelligent UD comment:

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Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Date: 2014/10/06 22:12:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Garry said:
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A person either knows how to act smart by uselessly chanting "natural selection did it" or they are deemed scientifically worthless and must totally destroyed.


Or, they are deemed scientifically worthless because they are scientifically worthless. Much the simpler explanation. And the simpler explanations are always the best.

Date: 2014/10/08 17:42:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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PS: I imagine the moderation queue is annoying. You should have avoided the trollish behavior that got you put there.


Apparently disagreeing with Barry using a logical and rational argument is considered trolling behaviour. It has been nice knowing you DiEb.

Date: 2014/10/08 19:34:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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DiEb, if I found that I had to make stuff up in order to support my side, I hope that I would change sides.


Another example of Barry's razor sharp debating style
I can hardly wait until he uses the 'your mother wears army boots' argument.

Date: 2014/10/08 19:40:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry's latest contribution to the ID arsenal is this little gem:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....fitness

In this he argues that natural selection is a circular argument because the most fit will reproduce, and those that reproduce are the most fit.

Given that Barry spends most of his time with his head up his ass, you would think that he would understand circular arguments.

Date: 2014/10/08 20:31:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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What does a molecular learning curve look like?


More importantly, what does a Gary learning curve look like? If it were displayed on an ECG, the doctors would be greasing up the paddles.

Date: 2014/10/10 10:35:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 09 2014,23:37)
Arrington waxes poetic about how Jeff Shallit believes a passage from "Hamlet" to be more random than gibberish. Arrington is making a category error. The deployment of "gibberish" as a description has to do with whether we can assign meaning to something, whereas Prof. Shallit is quantifying amounts of information. As we demonstrated in the appendix to our long paper, the algorithmic information theory approach we took, while in every respect superior to Dembski's proposed means of identifying randomness, was demonstrably an upper bound on Dembski's CSI after subtracting a cost in terms of the length of a program P that specifies whether a string is in a target set. As such, Arrington cannot discount our approach without simultaneously discounting Dembski's own work. In order to accomplish his desired goal of showing Prof. Shallit to be wrong and himself to be right, he would have to address the mathematics and not merely the rhetoric in the argument. To me, Barry shows no signs of having the inclination -- or capability -- of doing any such thing. But as Jeff says, Barry could have a cookie.

Arrington has been positively childish in his random/non-random saga. His final line of defence is to claim that anyone who thinks that some lines from Hamlet are more random than some characters produced from him banging his head on the keyboard is either stupid or insane.

This in spite of the fact that a person doesn't even need to use the tools that Jeffrey did to know that the "gibberish" string produced by Barry is not random.  There are long strings of lower case letters, long strings of upper case letters, and long strings of numbers. Although it is possible that these strings would arise randomly, the probability is vanishingly small; just like Barry's intelligence.

Date: 2014/10/10 13:07:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
IRONY ALERT!!! Or is it HYPOCRIT ALERT???

Over at UD, Barry is criticizing behaviour at the Sceptical Zone. This is the little gem that had me on the floor laughing.
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Scoffing is a very poor substitute for argument.

Priceless. I would have paid real money for this.

Date: 2014/10/10 16:13:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Oct. 10 2014,14:21)
The first string is actually deeply informative. Imagine agreeing a character set with aliens, and then having them send messages. From the second, we might conclude 'fuck me, they know Shakespeare!'. But basically, they can relay a string from our literature - big deal, copy-pasting aliens. But from the first - 'fuck me, they are almost certainly bilaterally symmetrical and use a QWERTY keyboard'!

Cutandpasta? He is no better than BA77.

Date: 2014/10/10 16:30:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
PooPoo was responding to my comment (under a different name because, apparently, people who contradict get banned).

But, I must admit, it is fun.

Date: 2014/10/10 17:05:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
OK, now it has just become surreal.

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I have deleted all of the troll stenosemella’s comments, as they were nothing more than trollish distractions. If anyone has something to say about the actual topic of the OP, please feel free. I have also deleted all responses to the troll’s distractions (including my own).


This, in spite of the fact that he left his own responses to me up

Date: 2014/10/10 21:22:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
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Barry ArringtonOctober 10, 2014 at 4:00 pm
I have deleted all of the troll stenosemella’s comments, as they were nothing more than trollish distractions. If anyone has something to say about the actual topic of the OP, please feel free. I have also deleted all responses to the troll’s distractions (including my own).


Barry Stalin. It has a good ring to it. If you don't like the message, delete the messenger and all copies of the message. If there is a picture of the messenger, air brush him out of it.

I guess that it is easier than responding to the message.

Date: 2014/10/11 05:58:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 10 2014,21:22)
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Barry ArringtonOctober 10, 2014 at 4:00 pm
I have deleted all of the troll stenosemella’s comments, as they were nothing more than trollish distractions. If anyone has something to say about the actual topic of the OP, please feel free. I have also deleted all responses to the troll’s distractions (including my own).


Barry Stalin. It has a good ring to it. If you don't like the message, delete the messenger and all copies of the message. If there is a picture of the messenger, air brush him out of it.

I guess that it is easier than responding to the message.

It's a good thing that I read the back and forth between Barry and Stenosemella before Barry purged all records. The comment string was on Barry's criticism of the Sceptical Zone. Steno's first comment was about the following statement from Barry's OP:

" Scoffing is a very poor substitute for argument."

Steno said that this was the pot calling the kettle black. And that the vast majority of UD articles were little more than scoffing.

Barry condescendingly responded that Steno was making a tu toque and suggested that he look it up and then get back to him explains how it was not.

Steno presumably knew what tu toque means (or quickly looked it up). His quick response was that he (Steno) was in good company because Jesus used a tu toque argument when he said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

This was quickly followed by Barry stating that Steno was a troll and deleting the conversation because it was not relevant to the subject of his OP. how is criticizing Barry for using the same tactics that he is criticizing the Sceptical Zone for, not relevant? Personally, I think that Steno simply ran afoul of Barry's blasphemy laws.

Date: 2014/10/18 14:05:58, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry Arrington has gone off the deep end, resurrecting the Darwinian Debating Device series. Apparently there are 13 of them now. I would like to think that I was responsible for a couple of them.

From what I can see, this is nothing but a training manual on how to debate people who don't believe that god created everything. Frankly, I find the comments on each of these is far more interesting reading than the actual OPs.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments

Date: 2014/10/18 15:02:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
If an anti-IDist calls someone insane, it is an ad hominems. When Barry calls someon insane, it is just a valid observation.

Date: 2014/10/19 16:28:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry is in full bossy-fit mode over at UD. In one of the comment strings, Barry stated that one of the comments was staggeringly stupid and that the commenter was incapable of rational thought. Then a commenter named Tintinnid accused him of using one of the Darwinian Debating Devices, the one on ad hominems. To respond to this, Barry wrote an OP explaining why his comment was not an ad hominem. In this, he detailed a chain of comments made by Tintinnid that triggered his original comment. Tintinnid provided this response:

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Barry, claiming that a person is incapable of rational thought based on one comment is definitely an ad hominem attack because you are assuming that a person who makes one stupid statement is not capable of rational thought. This is obviously wrong. But we know that Barry could never be wrong.

If someone makes a false statement that is easily verified, are they a liar or just staggeringly stupid? I will let you think it over while you verify the source of the Lego comment.


It turns out that it was not Tintinnid who Barry was commenting about. And I always thought that Barry was infallible.

Date: 2014/10/20 09:50:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 19 2014,16:34)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 19 2014,16:28)
Barry is in full bossy-fit mode over at UD. In one of the comment strings, Barry stated that one of the comments was staggeringly stupid and that the commenter was incapable of rational thought. Then a commenter named Tintinnid accused him of using one of the Darwinian Debating Devices, the one on ad hominems. To respond to this, Barry wrote an OP explaining why his comment was not an ad hominem. In this, he detailed a chain of comments made by Tintinnid that triggered his original comment. Tintinnid provided this response:

 
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Barry, claiming that a person is incapable of rational thought based on one comment is definitely an ad hominem attack because you are assuming that a person who makes one stupid statement is not capable of rational thought. This is obviously wrong. But we know that Barry could never be wrong.

If someone makes a false statement that is easily verified, are they a liar or just staggeringly stupid? I will let you think it over while you verify the source of the Lego comment.


It turns out that it was not Tintinnid who Barry was commenting about. And I always thought that Barry was infallible.

Linky?

UD

Date: 2014/10/20 09:53:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 20 2014,08:02)
Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 20 2014,02:28)
Whoooooah there! Did anyone catch this?

   
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Gervais has made a glaring category error by lumping the God of the three great monotheistic faiths in with other “gods”


Them's fightin words, Barry!

In days long ago, when I first trawled UD, I had it explained to me (with the most beautiful illustrations meticulously crayoned in) that it was completely incorrect to refer to the Mooslum "god" as being the same as the Abrahamic God of Christianity and Those Poor Jooz.

No sir, the camel jockeys worship some sort of a Baal clone who doubles as a Moon "god". We got books to prove it too. My correspondent (can't recall who) assureds me that all those heretics and pointy-headed theologians and academics who said otherwise (e.g. the guy in a dress in Rome) were just plain wrong. (Sadly, my exchanges on UD were all vanished because of my profligate use of phrases such as Theological/Administrative Reductuve Discourse or True Atheists Reject Darwin.)

It would be entertaining to see the response if Barry were to ask the intellrejectia of UD whether they agreed that they god of Islam is the Abrahamic one.

Then again, perhaps the "three great monotheistic faiths" that Barry is referring to are The First Reformed Baptist Church of Christ Republican, the Stand Your Holy Ground Assembly and The Barefoot & Pregnant Tabernacle.

If there is one consistent thing about UD it's that they are not consistent.

Of course, that applies to the principles they believe in too.

The other consistent thing is their repeated insistence that ID has nothing to do with religion. I guess this OP was just a public service announcement.

Date: 2014/10/20 16:41:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry's version of a heartfelt apology for falsely and publicly stating that someone is incapable of rational thought.

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It has been brought to my attention that I attributed E.Seigner’s staggeringly stupid comment at 124 in the referenced thread to Tintinnid. I regret the error.

Date: 2014/10/20 20:23:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 20 2014,18:56)
Yawn - another bannination (I think). Barry to Tintinnid after the latter suggested an apology was appropriate after the former misattributed another's comment to him/her, labelling them as being 'incapable of rational argument':
 
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Tin @ 16. Now you are boring me. At least before you were committing somewhat interesting errors to expose. So long.

UD link

Possibly.  But will he delete all incriminating posts, as he has done in the past? Me think so.

Date: 2014/10/20 22:39:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 20 2014,21:27)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 21 2014,13:23)

Possibly.  But will he delete all incriminating posts, as he has done in the past? Me think so.

Barry's response:    
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“So long” means “goodbye.” It does not mean “you’re banned.” Sheesh.

So that's a no.
However, StephenB decided to speak for Barry shortly beforehand:
 
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No, it means that he regrets the error and has nothing more to say. Your perception of the justice or injustice of previous bannings is not really relevant since you don’t know the complete history of interactions that prompted them. What may seem frivolous on your end may have been the last straw on the other end.

My emphasis. Hey Stephen, over here! I know where you can get a pretty good history of bannings at UD, along with quite a bit of context behind them. (Mind you, the sheer number kinda speaks for itself.)

And still not an apology to be seen.

Date: 2014/10/21 12:48:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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UD Announces General Amnesty
October 21, 2014 Posted by Barry Arrington

Today UD editors completely deleted both their “banned” list and their “comment moderation” list. Anyone in the world with access to the internet is currently free to comment on the site.

I (i.e., Barry Arrington) am almost certainly going to regret this decision and sooner rather than later. There were hundreds of trolls trapped in the “banned” and “moderation” queues. Frankly, images of this scene from Ghostbusters went through my mind as a pressed the “release” button.


WTF???

Date: 2014/10/21 16:45:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 21 2014,16:29)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 21 2014,12:48)
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UD Announces General Amnesty
October 21, 2014 Posted by Barry Arrington

Today UD editors completely deleted both their “banned” list and their “comment moderation” list. Anyone in the world with access to the internet is currently free to comment on the site.

I (i.e., Barry Arrington) am almost certainly going to regret this decision and sooner rather than later. There were hundreds of trolls trapped in the “banned” and “moderation” queues. Frankly, images of this scene from Ghostbusters went through my mind as a pressed the “release” button.


WTF???

Someone please contact DaveTard and get him over there.  Please? I don't ask for much, but I need to see that.

And Robert Beyer.

Date: 2014/10/23 16:29:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry is starting a meltdown again:
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Answer the question Tin. Is DNA complex like the excerpt from Timon of Athens or is it simple like the snippit from the monkey simulation?

You know that after you have answered the question (we all know what the answer is after all), I will demonstrate how the premise of the question is not faulty and destroy your blind faith.

You cannot contemplate having your faith destroyed. You are afraid. That is why you refuse to answer. Coward.

All of this because Tintinnid refused to answer a loaded question. Tintinnid explained this to him and received the following in return:
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Tin @ 31. You’ve been downgraded from “coward” to “pathetic sniveling coward.” We’re done.

And finally:
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tintinnidOctober 23, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I guess this is the end of the amnesty. But at least it lasted two days. And I guess that I also outed myself.

LinkLink

Date: 2014/10/23 17:42:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (socle @ Oct. 23 2014,16:52)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 23 2014,16:29)
Barry is starting a meltdown again:
   
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Tin @ 31. You’ve been downgraded from “coward” to “pathetic sniveling coward.” We’re done.

Jesus.  He's really lost control of himself.

You should actually read the OP and the string of comments. Barry is acting like a spoiled little kid being told that he can't have ice cream.

Date: 2014/10/24 12:53:16, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I have been banned again.  Apparently it is not OK to criticize Gord (Kairosfocus) Mullings for outing the full name of another commenter.
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Didn’t I recently read about the despicable act of outing someone in a blog? Someone got very upset about this. Up until now, I have only known him as Rich. That could be a reference to his financial status for all I know.

His response was quick and decisive:
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AB, 267: if you were to have bothered to look before you tried to bring my personal name out, you would have noticed that the article in question at TSZ as is onward linked, bears as byline, Richard T Hughes. Your turnabout fails and just earned you a just exposure as a false accuser. KF

YOU ARE FIRED

Date: 2014/10/24 14:29:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 24 2014,13:34)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 24 2014,12:53)
I have been banned again.  Apparently it is not OK to criticize Gord (Kairosfocus) Mullings for outing the full name of another commenter.
 
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Didn’t I recently read about the despicable act of outing someone in a blog? Someone got very upset about this. Up until now, I have only known him as Rich. That could be a reference to his financial status for all I know.

His response was quick and decisive:
 
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AB, 267: if you were to have bothered to look before you tried to bring my personal name out, you would have noticed that the article in question at TSZ as is onward linked, bears as byline, Richard T Hughes. Your turnabout fails and just earned you a just exposure as a false accuser. KF

YOU ARE FIRED

That Richardthughes *is* a terrible fella, though.

KF will be call out on his faux persecution repeatedly, I suspect.

I guess that I will be commenting under a different username.

I admit that Gordo wasn't really outing this terrible "Rich" guy, but I just couldn't resist yanking his chain. I must have yanked hard enough to cause it to flush.

But old Gord has a long way to go to match Barry's insightful and astute debating style. According to Barry I am a pathetic snivelling little coward. I wonder if he uses those words in front of a judge.

Date: 2014/10/25 13:39:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
centrestreamOctober 25, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
It’s hard to take them seriously when they post a schedule for accepting death threats.


I guess Barry Arrogant's foray into open and fair discussion is over. Even new usernames are again being placed under moderation. But I have detected a new strategy, if you can use that word for anything Barry does. In the past he would always announce when someone was banned. But he no longer does this even though there have been numerous bannings. A quick look at recent comments will show that it has essentially returned to his jackbooted following and three or four token evolutionists.

Date: 2014/10/25 20:33:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 25 2014,16:44)
The UD regulars were already throwing fits over this new open posting policy where they actually have to defend their stupidity instead of the usual circle-jerk.  Now Laddy GaGa has discovered he's unbanned and has started posting his usual drivel.

This could get interesting!   :D

Not really because the open posting policy has already ended.

Date: 2014/10/26 13:11:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 26 2014,12:59)
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By the way, tonight is the first time I have seen and read that thread, but I already knew that gordo is full of SHIT.

So what is needed is a common enema?

Since Gordo is full of shit, as are must of his arguments, he might construe the suggestion of an enema to be a death threat. Right Gordon?

Date: 2014/10/26 22:08:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 26 2014,20:51)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2014,20:13)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2014,20:08)
they open up the banned/moderated list, and a thread gets 840 comments in 3 days? That was some kinda suppression going down.

See how uncompetitive the regulars are...

Not unlike the results when the IOC allowed professional NBA players into the Olympic Games.

But they have also kept that OP at the top of the main page the entire time. I don't remember seeing this tactic in the past. But I could be wrong. But you will also notice that the number of different anti-ID commenters has significantly decreased since the initial amnesty. I don't know how much if this decrease is due to banning, but I do know for certain that banning and moderation is back on the table. The big difference is that Barry has stopped making the bannings public.

Date: 2014/10/27 23:34:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mulling talking to Rich:  "Rich, you are now on strike 1 for schoolyard taunting trollish behaviour,"

Later in the comment thread: "Strike Two"

Date: 2014/10/28 17:01:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 28 2014,15:58)
Quote

No Bomb After 10 Years
October 23, 2014 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
1,344 Comments


lordy, but there was some heavy-handed censorship going on over there.

Don't fool yourself. There still is. Gordon Mullings is still editing comments and deleting commenters. I am starting a pool on how long this "amnesty" will last before the ban nations become obvious again.

Date: 2014/10/30 14:39:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 30 2014,13:40)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 29 2014,23:52)
People come up to me every day and say, "Uncle Ceiling Cat, can you recommend a piece of reading material that is very very long and yet which is so worthless that I can completely ignore it with no ill effects on me, my loved ones or the price of tea in China?"

I have never been able to answer that question in the past,

I sure could have answered the shit out of that shit.

Vee.
Jay.
Torley.

Gor

don

Mullings

Date: 2014/10/30 17:38:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 30 2014,17:23)
http://uncommondescentmyass.blogspot.ca/2014.......tml?m=1

And I was being as charitable with the ID relevant category as I could without vomiting (btw, William Spearshake is the name I took after being banned as acartia_bogart. Or was it Tintinnid, or Stenosemella?)

Date: 2014/10/30 17:51:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 30 2014,17:38)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 30 2014,17:23)
http://uncommondescentmyass.blogspot.ca/2014.......tml?m=1

And I was being as charitable with the ID relevant category as I could without vomiting (btw, William Spearshake is the name I took after being banned as acartia_bogart. Or was it Tintinnid, or Stenosemella?)

And, Rich, to avoid being classified as biased, I categorized many of your comments in the "relevant but with tone" category. Sorry. But all of mine were categorized into this category or the personal insult category. My bad.

By the way, someone owes my employer for two hours of my time.

Date: 2014/10/30 18:34:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 30 2014,18:18)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 30 2014,17:51)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 30 2014,17:38)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 30 2014,17:23)
http://uncommondescentmyass.blogspot.ca/2014.......tml?m=1

And I was being as charitable with the ID relevant category as I could without vomiting (btw, William Spearshake is the name I took after being banned as acartia_bogart. Or was it Tintinnid, or Stenosemella?)

And, Rich, to avoid being classified as biased, I categorized many of your comments in the "relevant but with tone" category. Sorry. But all of mine were categorized into this category or the personal insult category. My bad.

By the way, someone owes my employer for two hours of my time.

Check the spelling of "relevant" in your pie charts ;)

I know. Spelling has never been my forte. But do you think those morons will notice?

Date: 2014/10/30 18:36:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joey Porn has started to melt down (more than normal) after comment 305 here.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-523775

Date: 2014/10/30 19:22:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 30 2014,18:50)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 30 2014,18:36)
Joey Porn has started to melt down (more than normal) after comment 305 here.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-523775

He's made Denyse close the thread. If only they could afford to get rid of him.

Do you want to place bets on who's comments are considered offensive?  

My money is on Joey being allowed to continue posting and myself and Thorton, who pointed out the abuse, being banned.

Date: 2014/11/01 10:14:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
First, Barry Arrogant posts an OP about evolution not being able to drop a bomb that would destroy ID, even after ten years. This stimulated much discussion, with much participation from Keith S and Rich.

And, as is a common UD ploy, WJM posts a new OP that claimed that Keth S' bomb was debunked and defused. Again, this stimulated a lot of discussion.

And, once again, a new OP is posted by Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings, that Keith S' bomb had fizzled (Enter here at risk of lower IQ). But old Gordo-the-victim has found a new tactic. Not only is he not allowing comments on this OP, he has disabled comments on WJM's OP. I guess he thinks he has won if he gets in the last word, regardless of how this is achieved.

Date: 2014/11/03 08:35:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 02 2014,04:39)
Onlookers take heed! gordo is an IMPORTANT man! The government, infrastructure, development, economy, education system, etc., of Montserrat (population a whopping 5,215) would rapidly and irreversibly fall into decay and ruin (including moral decay and ruin of course) if it were not for gordo's indispensable, WORLD CLASS advice and skills. If the rest of the world would employ his sage advice and unsurpassable skills, what a great world it would be! FOR RECORD. BYDAND!

"121 kairosfocus November 1, 2014 at 2:11 am

KS, As you know as I have stated in so many words, I have been exceptionally busy on policy matters for months [maybe it has not registered that there has been a change of govt here], with a current peak . . . as in there’s a new govt that has big challenges on its plate. Solow production functions, signatures of Kondratiev wave troughs in GDP data for the OECS region, sustainable structural transformation of economies through programme and project cycle management based strategic programmes, and the like. With a dose of capacity building and education system transformation as a side order. Not to mention Geothermal energy development and related renewables and alternatives, plus ports and town developments in the teeth of volcano ravages and long term consequences of policy errors. I have been brought to the point where I am now speaking about the project of tickling a dragon’s tail, with particular reference to the challenges of investment to trigger and sustain growth with reasonable stability. It is only because I was noticing a problem here that I spoke for record and as you replied I engaged you step by step for a little while instead of what I should have done, go back to sleep. As far as I was able to glance at, your proposed bomb has failed and fizzled spectacularly, not like what would have happened if a brave scientist had not sacrificed his life to stop a chain reaction, taking the infamous blue flash and dying horribly of radiation nine days later. I am off to bed for some quick winks, and when I find reasonable time, I will look at what is reasonable to address. KF"

Hmm, I wonder why gordo's divine advice and skills didn't help the previous governments fix their "long term consequences of policy errors"?



--------------------

gordo's self-aggrandizing tard: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-524328

Montserrat population link: http://www.indexmundi.com/montser....on.html

Quote
Keith S: Then why not let the new government do its job? Why must you always try to insert yourself into its affairs? If they actually want your help, I’m sure they’ll let you know.
Let the government do its job, and then you’ll have plenty of time to tackle The Bomb.


Quote
Gordon Mullings: KS, do the words policy + advisor mean anything to you?


At least the government of Montserrat is not asking him to advise on science. Maybe they know something that UD doesn't.

Date: 2014/11/03 16:19:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Our buddy Barry Arrogant is back, from where we don't know but I am spreading the rumours that he was at bible camp.

One of his first acts was to write an OP claiming that the anti-ID arguments were like the Black Knight skit from The Holy Grail. He even created a new Darwinian Debating Device in its honour.

But the highlight of the comment thread so far is the GEM written by Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings at comment 20:
Quote
KF at 20: “PS: I link from the OP here, here and also here; a substantial discussion can easily enough be had on the merits of fact and logic if there is any genuine interest. Prediction: none such will happen.”

What makes this the highlight is that he is absolutely, 100% accurate in his prediction. But that is not because substantial arguments couldn't be made against these posts, but because the three OPs he linked to either don't allow comments, or the ability to comment has been stopped.

What a pathetic snivelling coward.

Date: 2014/11/04 08:35:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 04 2014,06:48)
Update:

Same problem now from this location. I suspect IP addresses are being blacklisted

Barry returns from bible camp one day, and you get banned the next. Coincidence? I think not.

I have noticed the same thing. I can post from various Wi-Fi locations but I can't post from home, or any Wi-Fi location for more than a couple days. I guess in this way, Barry can swear on a stack of bibles that he has not banned anybody.

That sneaky little Barry.

Date: 2014/11/05 16:11:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Up until now I have only been blocked based on IP address. Now my user name is also blocked, and any comments using a new user name are in moderation. All silently. Barry is such a pathetic snivelling coward.

Date: 2014/11/05 16:32:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 05 2014,16:29)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2014,16:11)
Up until now I have only been blocked based on IP address. Now my user name is also blocked, and any comments using a new user name are in moderation. All silently. Barry is such a pathetic snivelling coward.

We don't know it was Barry. I'm hoping not. Whoever it is should be brave enough to say who, when and why. Perhaps they like the proles to have the pretense of openness?

"Look, they can't answer our questions"

My money is on Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings from Montserrat. I have also noticed that many of my previous comments have been deleted.

Date: 2014/11/05 19:27:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 05 2014,16:34)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2014,16:32)
... I have also noticed that many of my previous comments have been deleted.

That's just terrible.

Guardians of Uncommon Descent

Damn. He even looks like Gordon. Not that anyone would know what KairosFocus looks like because he has never made it easy to identify who he is. Except for the link from his user name.

Date: 2014/11/06 12:47:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Nov. 06 2014,12:23)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 06 2014,10:36)
That's sort of the point WT.

The entire field of encryption just blows IDs claims out of the water. Encryption and scrambling are designed to make a designed piece of information look totally random.

Since the information was designed (the thing being said) and the encryption algorithm was designed, and the results of the encryption are purely deterministic (they have to be or it can't be decrypted), then ID should easily be able to determine whether a string is random noise or intelligently designed encryption.

That they can't (and have refused to even attempt it on no fewer than 20 attempts over the last few years), is very telling.

Kevin, you don't even know what ID claims. The entire field of encryption doesn't have anything to do with what ID claims. Why is it that you just say shit about ID without ever referencing what you say?

OTOH, evolutionary biologists not only make the claim to be able to do what you ask, they say they have done so. SETI is also claiming to be able to determine an intelligently designed signal from noise. Then there are various agencies, companies and countries that are involved with encryption. Meaning the field is well covered and ID wouldn't do anything any differently.

Fucking idiot...

Hi Joe. It's nice to be able to talk to you again. Please correct me if I am wrong.

1) ID is about the ability to objectively detect design.

2) ID claims to have a mathematical process for doing this.

3) This objective and mathematical process to detect design, can't detect design in encrypted text, something that is doubly designed.

If these three basic points are correct, then the ID tools developed to detect design, cannot detect design in something that is obviously designed. Do you not think that this is a problem?

Date: 2014/11/06 17:04:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings of Montserrat is now using racial discrimination as an excuse for Joe's offensive comments. Please try to make sense of his latest spew:
Quote
Adapa, Please, read carefully. I have never endorsed Joe in misbehaviour but have indicated he has had serious provocation which we should understand. Have you ever had someone accuse you to your boss to try to rob you unjustly of employment, or play at locking you out, or threaten you or family? Have you ever faced for instance racial discrimination and accusation — this is getting too close to that for any reasonable person to be comfortable; that’s like how Southern US soldiers in England during the ’40′s thought they could push West Indian soldiers and airmen around as they were used to doing with intimidated Southern Blacks back home — they learned a few very hard lessons. I don’t agree with what bullied or attacked West Indian soldiers did in retaliation, but I can understand that the black soldiers were provoked. It therefore seems to me that something is very wrong here with your response, wrong in a way that looks all too familiar with those who refused to see racial provocation. Please, think again. And yes, this situation is taking on the tone of too many ill-bred objectors to design thought imagining they have a right to be bullies and worse. Do you really want to enable those who are going down that kind of road? When I see signs of willingness to acknowledge grievous and even habitual wrongdoing by far too many objectors to design thought, or anything that reminds them of God, and to correct that wrong-doing, I will take concerns more seriously. Meanwhile, it should be quite clear to the reasonable onlooker that so soon as the troll vaults were opened there was a wave of abusive commentary at UD that has begun to echo a penumbra of sites whose level of behaviour has gone well beyond the pale of decency. That misbehaviour has to be addressed, and it is obvious from the thread owner’s comments that it is addressing abuse on both sides of the issue. Let the onlooker also notice that all of this is on side tracks from the pivotal issues. That is no coincidence. KF

Date: 2014/11/06 18:53:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Closing time.


OK. What does it mean when UD stop allowing comments on a thread that was discussing comment blocking? We can't defend it, so let's stop talking about it?  

Date: 2014/11/08 18:16:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 08 2014,17:29)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 08 2014,14:50)
So we get to see a very rare phenomena, a new Alpha Tard / village idiot. Incumbent Joe Gallien was old, fat and lazy - resting on his laurels and vacuous go-to phrases - he was ill prepared when Gary Gaulin crept into own through the hole in the fence. Not even Joe's relationship with the Alpha Female, Gordon Mullings was enough to save him, from Gary's utter fucking gibberish, he had to take it on the chins and go.

Tardom red in tooth and bore.

one guy i know described BA77's postings as 'child-like'. I haven't read them enough to know.

Sorry, but I have far too much respect for the intelligence of children to make this claim.

Date: 2014/11/08 19:28:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Mapou made this appeal in defence if Joe:
Quote
Why is Joe banned and not me? I am just as outspokenly hostile to Darwinists as Joe is and I don’t usually mince my words.

I hereby protest Joe’s banishment.


I think that Barry should grant Louis' request.

Date: 2014/11/08 19:45:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Further to Joe's banishment from UD. I would like to bring your attention to the fact that Joe posted the first comment after Barry announced his amnesty. He suggested a set of rules. It appears that rule number four has but him in the ass.
Quote
JoeOctober 21, 2014 at 11:46 am
What you need are some rules:

1- Stay on-topic

2- It is OK to bash ID if and only if you can demonstrate how your position is the better explanation

3- Also if you say that ID is not scientific you have to demonstrate how your position is

4- No cussing

Date: 2014/11/10 14:11:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
RichardTHughs, Proud to be an Ignorant Asshole

Rich, it looks like you have a fan.

Date: 2014/11/11 17:45:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Dense and Bleary, the UD News correspondent posted a few items about the bystanders who tried to save the honour guard for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who was killed a couple weeks ago. Very inspiring stories. But then she finished off with this little turf:

Quote
You heard it somewhere ELSE first, right, that nobody helps (the selfish gene and all that)…


What a piece of shit she is.

Date: 2014/11/15 13:27:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 15 2014,12:54)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 15 2014,03:58)
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,17:53)
If anyone here at AtBC is "centrestream" at UD, please send me a PM. Thanks.

What do you mean by centrestream? Is it something to do with baseball?

"centrestream" is someone's user name at UD. I should have been more clear on that. I'm sorry for any confusion I caused.

Centrestream is a one of the many names that I have had to use because I have a habit of pissing off Barry and/or Gordo. Maybe it's because I keep using Gord's deal name.

Date: 2014/11/16 09:05:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Nov. 16 2014,00:02)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 15 2014,13:27)
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 15 2014,12:54)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 15 2014,03:58)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,17:53)
If anyone here at AtBC is "centrestream" at UD, please send me a PM. Thanks.

What do you mean by centrestream? Is it something to do with baseball?

"centrestream" is someone's user name at UD. I should have been more clear on that. I'm sorry for any confusion I caused.

Centrestream is a one of the many names that I have had to use because I have a habit of pissing off Barry and/or Gordo. Maybe it's because I keep using Gord's deal name.

But what about baseball?

Sorry, no baseball reference. Just a variation on my last name.

Date: 2014/11/19 14:23:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joey: ""And Wagner’s ideas are not published in peer-review. If his ideas had the evidence he would publish."

Yet he just chastised me for asking for the peer reviewed Dumbski paper where he claimed to have proven that natural systems can't produce CSI.  I would expect more from a man with a 150 IQ.

Date: 2014/11/19 17:50:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
This as an insert into one of my UD comments:

Quote
[SNIP-- you know better, strike 1]


Gordon Mullings really must learn more about the rules of baseball. I was banned after one strike.

Date: 2014/11/19 18:24:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 19 2014,17:50)
This as an insert into one of my UD comments:

Quote
[SNIP-- you know better, strike 1]


Gordon Mullings really must learn more about the rules of baseball. I was banned after one strike.

I have come to the conclusion that it is Heir Mullings who is wielding the bannination hammer over at UD. For the last week I have called Barry a liar and a pathetic snivelling coward, with absolutely not response. But I refer to Mullings by his real first name and I am banned.

Date: 2014/11/21 06:20:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
The approach I take to respecting someone's desire for anonymity is to honour it unless the person is abusive or makes false claims about someone, something that Gordon and Louis do frequently.

But I must admit that I take childish pleasure in pushing Barry and Gordon to see how much it takes to get banned. But I do it more as a social experiment that for the pure pleasure. The most recent was to repeatedly bait Barry about his lack of action on Joe after giving him his last warning. I even sent as far as calling him a liar and a pathetic snivelling coward (a phrase that Barry has used himself because I refuse to respond to a loaded question). To his credit, he did not ban me for this, although he was too cowardly to respond at all. I wasn't banned until I received a first strike call from Gordon for using his first name in a comment.

Date: 2014/11/21 12:22:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 21 2014,12:02)
Quote (BillB @ Nov. 21 2014,09:02)
Talking of KF, I see that he has posted a succession of posts at UD 'Correcting' things that cropped up in the latest FIASCO discussions ... all comments are OFF of course because ... well because allowing people tell you you are wrong would just be wrong.

I thought it was the same post repeated, and assumed it was a demonstration that information cannot be created in the absence of intelligence.

I thought that they were just evidence that a random reshuffling of code (language) can be a good model of evolution.

Date: 2014/11/22 11:22:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry Arrington has posted a new Darwinian Debating Device. He is now up to #18. As best I can tell, this is about Darwinians denying what they have previously said. As evidence, he uses a series of comments made by Adapa. Even though Adapa clearly pointed out that Barry was quote mining and taking Adapa's words out of context, Barry refuses to acknowledge this.

DDD#18

Date: 2014/11/22 19:39:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Could someone smarter and wiser please translate this recent comment by Gordo?

Quote
Pardon but you are recirculating long since — many months ago — adequately answered objections. That seems to reflect the message dominance view on which reasoned discussion based on evident fact takes a back seat to manipulation creating perceptions and impressions that dominate how people think.

Date: 2014/11/22 22:30:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 22 2014,21:27)
Kairosflatus has now taken to going into and modifying Adapa's posts.  What a cowardly piece of shit the Manjack Heights mauler is.   :angry:

Apparently Gordon Mullings has taken his ball and gone home.
Quote
Okay, that’s it. Adapa insists on abusive behaviour, thread over. KF

What a gutless little coward.

Date: 2014/11/23 10:18:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (I don't have the power to ban) Mullings:
Quote
As you full well know, further, I do not hold power of banning.


Gordo may be telling the truth, or at least in a twisted sort of way. My experience with dipshit is that whenever he gets upset with my comments, my IP address gets blocked. However, when I go to a different wireless zone, my comments are allowed.

I suggest that Keith ask heir Mullings if he has the power to block IP Addresses. If he says no, then he is a damned liar because my various IP's have been blocked when I was criticizing Mr. Leathers and Barry was absent.

Date: 2014/11/23 20:21:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
To Barry's credit (and I hate giving him credit) I don't think that it is Barry doing the bannings, although I think that he is complicit in them. All of my recent bannings have occurred when I am disagreeing with NoFocus. But they have been IP blocking, not user-name blocking. When I go to a different WiFi zone, I can post a comment. But LackofFocus is slimy enough to claim that he has not banned anyone, even though he has banned IP addresses.

Richard Adapa, have you tried posting from a mobile on a different WiFi location?

Date: 2014/11/26 19:46:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Apparently Barry posted an OP and then removed it when it became untenable. Talk about controlling the message.

See Keith's comment at 49.
Barry's oops.

Date: 2014/12/01 10:19:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 01 2014,07:06)
Quote (timothya @ Dec. 01 2014,14:21)
Barry Arrington's website statement:
     
Quote
Being a Christian gives me a standard of integrity far beyond what the world requires.

admits of four possible states, by his own analysis (meaning what he says about the ethical basis of his legal practice):
1. Barry meets and exceeds the Christian standard of integrity, and also (presumably) exceeds the world-required standard of integrity
2. Barry meets but does not exceed the Christian standard of integrity, and also (presumably) exceeds the world-required standard of integrity
3. Barry fails to meet the Christian standard of integrity, but does (presumably) meet the world-required standard of integrity
4. Barry fails to meet the Christian standard of integrity, and also fails (presumably) to meet the world-required standard of integrity

Since we have no information about what is required of Barry in the way of integrity, we are unable to decide which category of claim he is making.

Except, of course, that we can use the evidence of UD to decide.

Note that there is no evidence that Christian standards of integrity are higher than secular standards.

I see the problem bully has used the word integrity the same way he uses honesty.

You mean, like banning someone and then denying that he ever did that. Or like Mullings claiming that he doesn't have the "authority" to ban someone, but does have the "capability" to ban someone?

Date: 2014/12/01 23:00:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Starting at about comment 287 (or387, I got confused) Gary and BA77 started debating ID theory. Frankly, I don't have the imagination to make this shit up.

Blind leading the blind

Date: 2014/12/02 09:01:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (timothya @ Dec. 01 2014,06:21)
Barry Arrington's website statement:
   
Quote
Being a Christian gives me a standard of integrity far beyond what the world requires.

admits of four possible states, by his own analysis (meaning what he says about the ethical basis of his legal practice):
1. Barry meets and exceeds the Christian standard of integrity, and also (presumably) exceeds the world-required standard of integrity
2. Barry meets but does not exceed the Christian standard of integrity, and also (presumably) exceeds the world-required standard of integrity
3. Barry fails to meet the Christian standard of integrity, but does (presumably) meet the world-required standard of integrity
4. Barry fails to meet the Christian standard of integrity, and also fails (presumably) to meet the world-required standard of integrity

Since we have no information about what is required of Barry in the way of integrity, we are unable to decide which category of claim he is making.

Except, of course, that we can use the evidence of UD to decide.

Note that there is no evidence that Christian standards of integrity are higher than secular standards.

I always thought that always paying your debts is a demonstration of integrity. I wonder what taking money from people to help them avoid paying their debts is called.

Date: 2014/12/04 17:22:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
So God created life to give himself something to do while drinking beer at the weekend?

And he created Gordon Kairosfocus Mullings after drinking too much beer on the weekend.

Date: 2014/12/05 13:38:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joe:
Quote
Frequency = wavelength.


William Spearshake:
Quote
And you are trying to have a serious discussion about physics? Back to school for Koey.


Joe:
Quote
Look it up you ignorant asshole.


William Spearshake:
Quote
You didn't claim that there was a relationship between frequency and wavelength, you claimed that frequency equals wavelength. Based on your argument, from the following equation:

2 x 3 = 6

I can conclude that 2 = 6. After all, the equation for the relationship between wavelength and frequency is the same:

wavelength x frequency = speed of light


Joe:
Quote
Frequency = wavelength as wavelength determines how FREQUENTLY the wave makes a complete cycle.

You are a major ignoramus.


H lacks knowledge of basic algebra, is there any wonder that he is having problems getting his head around calculating average anomalies?

Date: 2014/12/08 15:12:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Joe:"Frequency = wavelength."
Me: "And you are trying to have a serious discussion about physics? Back to school for Koey."
Joe: "Hey dumbass, the shorter the wavelength the higher the frequency and the longer the wavelength the lower the frequency. Frequency is how many complete waves there are per second.Look it up you ignorant asshole."
Me: "Joe, you clearly made the statement that Frequency = wavelength. Are you denying this?...You didn't claim that there was a relationship between frequency and wavelength, you claimed that frequency equals wavelength. Based on your argument, from the following equation: 2 x 3 = 6, I can conclude that 2 = 3."
Joe: "Frequency = wavelength as wavelength determines how FREQUENTLY the wave makes a complete cycle. You are a major ignoramus."
Me: "Frequency x wavelength = speed of light, therefore: Frequency = wavelength?
E = mc^2 therefore: m = c^2?
2 x 3 = 6, therefore: 2 = 3?
It is comforting to know that my perception that you are physically incapable of admitting an obvious error has been confirmed, in spades."

Joe: "So wavelength doesn't determine the frequency, then? Really?"
Me: "Joe, a simple question for you. If x times y equals z, does that mean that x equals y?
It's not a weakness to admit that you were wrong. But we all know that you are too ignorant and pig-headed to admit that a materialist has pointed out an error in your statements. Are you still insisting that wavelength = frequency?
"
Joe: "What are the only possible variables in the equation? If you change the wavelength you change the frequency accordingly. There is a one-to-one correspondence. And it is a derived one-to-one correspondence-> At any given velocity for every wavelength there is one and only one frequency. "
Me: "No Joe, we all understand what you are claiming. Based on your twisted logic 2 x 3 = 6 means that 2 = 3."
Joe: "Only a fucking dickhead on an agenda of dickheadedness would say that.
Don't blame me because you are too fucking stupid to understand the concept of a one-to-one correspondence. They teach that in elementary school mathematics."

Me: "So, you are claiming that mass = the speed of light squared? That is the same one to one relationship that you refer to above. Do you really have no grasp of basic algebra?"
Joe: "No asshole. According to Einstein E=MC^2 means that matter and energy are different manifestations of the SAME THING....It is very telling that you are avoiding that at all costs- you are an ignorant coward"
Me: "Joe, your original statement was not that [wavelength] as a one to one relationship with frequency, it was that wavelength EQUALS [frequency]. Two completely different things. All I have asked is for you to admit that your original statement was incorrect, which is a self evident truism.
For two measures such as this to be equal they must have the same units, which they definitely do not.
Is there something pathological about you that makes it incapable to acknowledge that you made an error. The more you belabour this point, the more foolish you make yourself look, if that is possible.
"
Joe: "Hey asshole, I have a wave generator- guess what happens when I turn the frequency adjustment knob? The wavelength changes!...And I challenge you to find a valid reference that refutes what I said- your ignorant spewage won't do.

No, dumbass.

No, assface.

You are so fucking clueless it is pathetic.

I have learned something new about Joey. He has a wave generator.

Date: 2014/12/08 16:03:25, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 08 2014,14:56)
Quote (sparc @ Dec. 08 2014,22:34)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 08 2014,14:29)
   
Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59)
     
Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24)
The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:
         
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KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF

What does this mean?

Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)?
o
Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that.

My reading is that it is indeed possible to ignite a strawman soaked in ad hominem that is already fully burning.

And verily thou shalt use straw to fuel the fire of ignorance. Thou shalt never partake of the red herring as Paul did at the Red sea.

And he shall make your bricks without straw. And your tally shall remain unchanged.

Good thing this isn't UD. Mullings would ban us for blasphemy.

Date: 2014/12/08 17:14:36, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Frequency does not include a length dimension?

You are fucking retarded and obviously proud of it:

Frequency = c/ wavelength, so obviously frequency has a wavelength dimension you ignorant little imp.

So, not only does frequency = wavelength, but frequency is a measure if length?

And he claims a 150 IQ. Maybe he shifted a decimal place (or two).

Date: 2014/12/08 21:20:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Miracle of miracles. Joe has finally admitted an error
Quote
My mistake was minor and only a "mistake" to anal retentive fuck-wits like you

Ok, but this is a ground breaking improvement for Joey.

Date: 2014/12/09 08:26:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
LoL! You are proud of me because you are an anal retentive fuck-wit and obviously an ignorant asshole?

Date: 2014/12/09 11:50:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,11:36)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 09 2014,10:45)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,10:16)
Frequency is just the plural of wavelength...

Quality tard signature for someone there.

Chubbers, honey, your IQ isn't close to 150. Look at how you write and all the things you get wrong...

Richie, We get it-> you are too stupid to grasp anything:


wavelength and frequency
Frequency (Hertz) equals the number of waves that passes a given point per second.


wavelength and frequency

Frequency is how many complete waves go by per second.

waves is the plural of the singular wave

Hi Joe, how's your algebra today?

1) wavelength x frequency = speed of light.
2) Joe math: therefore wavelength = frequency
3) 2 x 3 = 6
4) Joe math: 2 <> 3 you fuck wit.

How do you rationalize this inconsistency?

Date: 2014/12/09 12:22:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 09 2014,12:06)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 09 2014,09:50)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,11:36)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 09 2014,10:45)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,10:16)
Frequency is just the plural of wavelength...

Quality tard signature for someone there.

Chubbers, honey, your IQ isn't close to 150. Look at how you write and all the things you get wrong...

Richie, We get it-> you are too stupid to grasp anything:


wavelength and frequency
Frequency (Hertz) equals the number of waves that passes a given point per second.


wavelength and frequency

Frequency is how many complete waves go by per second.

waves is the plural of the singular wave

Hi Joe, how's your algebra today?

1) wavelength x frequency = speed of light.
2) Joe math: therefore wavelength = frequency
3) 2 x 3 = 6
4) Joe math: 2 <> 3 you fuck wit.

How do you rationalize this inconsistency?

Force = mass x acceleration
Therefore mass = acceleration.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Therefore mass = velocity.

Therefore force = mass x mass and momentum = mass x mass and force = momentum and velocity = acceleration and...

Joescience is awesome!

Don't worry Joe, if you tap the heels of your ruby slippers together three times, and say "wavelength = frequency" three times, your wish will come true.

Date: 2014/12/09 12:29:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 09 2014,12:06)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 09 2014,09:50)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,11:36)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 09 2014,10:45)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 09 2014,10:16)
Frequency is just the plural of wavelength...

Quality tard signature for someone there.

Chubbers, honey, your IQ isn't close to 150. Look at how you write and all the things you get wrong...

Richie, We get it-> you are too stupid to grasp anything:


wavelength and frequency
Frequency (Hertz) equals the number of waves that passes a given point per second.


wavelength and frequency

Frequency is how many complete waves go by per second.

waves is the plural of the singular wave

Hi Joe, how's your algebra today?

1) wavelength x frequency = speed of light.
2) Joe math: therefore wavelength = frequency
3) 2 x 3 = 6
4) Joe math: 2 <> 3 you fuck wit.

How do you rationalize this inconsistency?

Force = mass x acceleration
Therefore mass = acceleration.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Therefore mass = velocity.

Therefore force = mass x mass and momentum = mass x mass and force = momentum and velocity = acceleration and...

Joescience is awesome!

E = mc^2

Therefore mass = speed of light squared.

Area = pi x r^2

Therefore pi = r^2

Isn't this fun? What is more fun is the irrational lengths that Joe will go to to avoid having to admit that he is wrong.

Date: 2014/12/13 13:44:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
See the problem? Explosions aren’t just very fast, they are usually destructive. Yes, they can be constructive, but only if controlled for a constructive purpose like blasting a subway tunnel (intelligent design).


Finally, an explanation for chicken McNuggets.

Date: 2014/12/22 13:22:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 22 2014,08:53)
Quote (Driver @ Dec. 21 2014,13:54)
We last left Mapou declaring the non-existence of infinity. Now he presents a sudden twist:

 
Quote
All kinds of series can go on ad infinitum. So what?


So stupid it must be clever.

link

Ironically, this reminds me of that quote attributed to Einstein about there only being two things that are infinite.

There are three types of people in the world. Those who understand math, and those who don't.

Date: 2014/12/23 09:01:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
From this thread at Joey's blog:
Insane Ramblings

Joey's rational arguments:
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You CAN"T show it to anyone you bluffing faggot.

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Bluffing faggot.

Quote
LoL! I have looked and the ToE doesn't exist. You are a little faggot.


William Spearshake:
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And a homophobe as well.


Joey's response:

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William Dicklick- to me the word "faggot" does not pertain to homosexuals.


William Spearshake (me) went on to say:
Quote
Unless you were calling Unknown a "small bundle of firewood", I don't know what else you could be referring to.

But it certainly explains your insistence that wavelength equals frequency. Any argument can be won if you are able to simply re-define words to suit your purpose.


But don't bother to look for it. Joey, has refused to allow any of my subsequent comments to be posted. Which seems ironic given his proclivity to calling everyone who disagrees with him a coward.

Date: 2014/12/23 09:48:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
From the same comment thread linked above, I thought that it would be entertaining to present some of Joey's insightful and rational comments. To avoid being accused of quoting out of context, I have included the entire paragraph where he presents his pearls of wisdom.

Without further ado, I give you, Joey:
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Fuck you.

Unguided evolution isn't supported in peer-review you hypocrite.

Attacking ID with your ignorance isn't helping either.

Scienbce is NOT done by consensus- what the fuck is wrong with you?

Yours doesn't have a model. Yours doesn't make any predictions and yours is totally useless. You are nothing but a bluffing asshole.

Lead by example or fuck off you coward.

Jerad, Fuck you.

You are a liar and a loser. BTW most of the planet thinks that unguided evolution is total bullshit...

LoL! Yes intelligent designers can do such things. What moron wrote this ignorant trope?

YOU have to be a moron to cite such ignorance.

Liar.

Lies from liars are not evidence. You are a freak, Jerad.

Ignorant opinion.

Bullshit.

Liar. It is very telling that you cannot produce any examples.

They were looking for something specific and that had occurred millions of years before the time Tiktaalik lived. Your ignorance, while amusing, means nothing, Jerad.

You CAN"T show it to anyone you bluffing faggot.

Asshole, they don't have the EVIDENCE. They don't have any testable hypotheses. They don't have a theory and they don't have any models.

Only to a moron.

They were lies.

Why are you such an ignorant asshole?

Hey dick [I'm pretty sure that Unknown's name is not Richard], your position can't explain anything. It has to be given populations of prokaryotes to start and then it has nothing after that.

You have to be one ignorant asshole, Jerad. All you can do is lie and bluff. You are a pathetic little imp.

Moron. I can quote Shubin to support my claims, asshole.

Bluffing faggot.

Real evidence for Jerad the coward to ignore:

Too bad you are so cowardly that you have to hide behind bullshit.

You are just another coward, Jerad.

LoL! Yours consist of lies and bluffs. Are you really that fucking daft?

You fucking moron. He said there wasn't any tetrapods before 380 million years ago and yet there is evidence for tetrapods 395 million years ago.

Are you really that fucking willfully ignorant that you can't even read?

Fuck you. [An old standby for Joe]

Again with the cowardly bullshit. Duly noted.

What a dipshit. The tetrapod tracks were found AFTER he wrote that piece, asshole. Shubin was looking in the wrong place and time for what he was looking for.

I made my case and you just ignore it because you are an ignorant little wanker. [It's nice to see that Joe is expanding his vocabulary].

You are a dumbass. No one "predicts" that transitional forms will exist millions of years AFTER the transition.

AND the "prediction" didn't have anything to do with blind watchmaker evolution. That means you are a double dumbass.

You can always tell that Jerad is a lying little wanker because he never supports anything he posts and has to hide behind other people.

LoL! I have looked and the ToE doesn't exist. You are a little faggot.

Liar

No one predicts that a transitional fossil will exist millions of years AFTER the transition occurred. That you are too fucking dim to grasp that fact proves that you are a willfully ignorant ass.

No, dumbass. It is up to the people making the claim to support it. That means YOU have to support the claim that it was blind watchmaker evolution and you can't.

And you are nothing but a gullible and cowardly wanker. You blindly accept everything people say as long as it agrees with your PoV. You cannot think for yourself. You are a moron.

I know what it is you fucking loser. OTOH you cannot answer my questions about it.



And this was only from the first twenty of his forty-five comments on this thread. I would love to say that his behaviour improves, but I can't.

This boy has some serious problems and should be seeking help. I would call him a man, but that implies at least a basic level of maturity, something that is not present in Joe (or he hides it very well).

I hope that this has put everyone into the Christmas spirit.

Date: 2015/01/02 12:50:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Dionesio has spammed a UD thread with essentially the same question over and over again.

I know you are, but what am I

Date: 2015/01/08 21:30:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2015,12:41)
Muslim Joe Gallien:

Quote
144
JoeJanuary 8, 2015 at 6:31 am
rvb8- What happened in France is a tragedy. What people need to realize is that if you piss off emotionally unstable people bad things tend to happen. To me only imbeciles do things like that.


And Joe should know, being a pissed off emotionally unstable imbecile he can see all sides of this one.

Why does he leave low hanging fruit like this? He is just making it too easy.

Date: 2015/01/11 12:45:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
As for “evolution”, yes there is plenty of evidence for it. However there isn’t any evidence that unguided evolution can do anything but produce disease and deformities. And then there is cosmology.


So, Joe only looks at evolution from the perspective of humans (and probably just from his perspective). I guess he never thought that the evolution of a new disease is an adaptive trait of the bacteria causing the disease.

Date: 2015/01/12 17:06:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Really, ID is science based.

Date: 2015/01/15 11:27:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 15 2015,08:53)
Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 15 2015,03:13)
Quote (timothya @ Jan. 15 2015,08:08)
'Hales" is correct usage in that context, though probably colloquial. "To hale from" is synonymous with "to come from", at least in Australia. And News' work is still rubbish.

In Aussie bus stops used to have "hail driver" until Keith Moon marched up and down a bus there making the Nazi salute. Now it's signal driver.

Not that I'm a pedant or anything check hail vs hale

Doesn't matter... neither one is made from water.

Maybe she was referring to Alan Hale Junior.

Date: 2015/01/15 13:38:25, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry has posted a new OP that demonstrates his skill at quoting out of context.

   
Quote
Sometimes it is useful to highlight some of the more aggressively stupid things that materialists say:

Stephen B:
   
Quote
How do you decide if the government has over-stepped its authority?


Aurelio Smith:
   
Quote
In a democracy, you can assert it and see if anyone agrees.


Now, for anyone interested in AS' complete comment, in context:
   
Quote
In a democracy, you can assert it and see if anyone agrees. In a democracy, you can protest and campaign for change. You can vote against a government you don’t like and persuade others to do likewise.


Not surprisingly, reading the comment in its context makes a difference.

Somebody has said something aggressively stupid, but it wasn't Aurelia Smith.

Date: 2015/01/15 15:41:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 15 2015,14:25)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 15 2015,13:38)
Barry has posted a new OP that demonstrates his skill at quoting out of context.

     
Quote
Sometimes it is useful to highlight some of the more aggressively stupid things that materialists say:

Stephen B:
     
Quote
How do you decide if the government has over-stepped its authority?


Aurelio Smith:
     
Quote
In a democracy, you can assert it and see if anyone agrees.


Now, for anyone interested in AS' complete comment, in context:
     
Quote
In a democracy, you can assert it and see if anyone agrees. In a democracy, you can protest and campaign for change. You can vote against a government you don’t like and persuade others to do likewise.


Not surprisingly, reading the comment in its context makes a difference.

Somebody has said something aggressively stupid, but it wasn't Aurelia Smith.

Barry Arrington quotemining, again? But... But... Objective morality!

And on the original thread, Learned Hand takes a bite out of KairosFocus.

Quote
I’m sorry KF, but you don’t seem to be having quite the same conversation as the rest of us. If you’d like to join it I’d be happy to discuss things with you, but your digressions are neither interesting nor significant to me. And for myself, I find your writing to be extremely turgid. I’ve asked a couple of times that you make an effort to make your points as clearly and succinctly as possible; I got more block-quote digressions, martyrdom claims, fishing anecdotes, and doomsday prophecies.

Date: 2015/01/16 20:19:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 16 2015,18:17)
Didn't WJM admit somewhere he doesn't care what the truth is, only what maximizes his utility? Not in those terms, but I can't recall. Anyone remember where?

I'm not worthy. I'm not worthy.

Learned Hand, I must commend you. Not only were your comments on Barry's "Unbroken" thread logical and well presented, they have pissed off the UD elite. And the take down of Mullings was worth the price of admission.

Barry has posted two additional OPs to try to salvage his lame opinion. But these have been nothing but personal insults. And, to top it off, he refuses to provide links to the threads that he is criticizing. To quote Barry himself, what a pathetic snivelling coward.

Date: 2015/01/16 23:38:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote


I was trying to contest in the context of many faith-related insults that in my opinion evolution is not science, evolution is a belief and based on the religion of atheism ... and the reason it's so popular is that people hate the idea of God, mainly because they hate the idea of eternal consequences. So I don't see it as science vs religion ... I see it as religion vs religion and science vs science.
I didn't want to get into a faith discussion there and I'm not after one now ... I want to discuss the science.
This was me reacting, which I wish I hadn't ... in fact I should never have engaged with Bilbo at all.


If by "so popular" you mean a minority opinion in the US, then I guess it is popular.

What you are referring to is its general acceptance by scientists, the people who have actually conducted research on this. As opposed to religious fanatics who approach the subject with their "minds" already made up.

Date: 2015/01/17 11:13:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings has finally gone off the deep(er) end over at the OPs about objective vs subjective morality. His last several comments have been nothing but sermons liberally sprinkled with scripture. Even dipping his homophobic toes into the gay marriage debate. Would anyone like to wager on what his opinion is?

At least we can all take comfort in the fact that ID is all about the science, and not religiously based.

Date: 2015/01/20 20:55:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Over at UD, an avatar named Nighight is out KairosFocusing KairosFocus. Shining a mirror on Gordon using his own style of run-on sentences, limited punctuation, bolder text and no paragraph breaks. But with the opposite viewpoint.

More UD crap

Then again, if this isn't intended as a parody of Mr. Mullings, I apologize.

Date: 2015/01/20 21:20:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Learned Hand responded to Scary Barrington as follows:

Quote
I don’t think that your blogging demonstrates the quality of your briefs; just the quality of your thinking and character.


Well played. But I am confused. I have been repeatedly banned by Barry for being far less critical. Could it be that Barry is too stupid to realize that he has been insulted?

Date: 2015/01/20 22:00:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 20 2015,21:38)
Banned for saying Barry's posts reflect the quality of his thinking and character? ;)

Not me. I have always been far more subtle. Well, except for the time I called him a pathetic snivelling coward for not banning Joe. Maybe that was over the top.

Date: 2015/01/22 17:39:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,14:57)
Enjoy it while it lasts. Barry is at his least gracious when losing face, and the last few threads have gone very poorly for him. No one stood up for his legal pontificating, which was so limp he walked away from it, and even KF is having trouble finding something supportive to say about the Orgel flub.

I predict I'll be banned by the end of the week. I think he was fishing for a pretext when he pushed back on my comments to Stephen B; if Stephen hadn't blithely ignored the attempt to gin up an excuse, it might have been done already.

Are you suggesting that I shouldn't accept the following words from Barry as the astute observation that he thinks it is?
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You say something like this in every other comment. It appears to be your favorite rejoinder. Sadly, it really is second grade level “you poopyhead” sort of stuff. You probably don’t know this, but you are embarrassing yourself. Kindly desist.


I especially liked the "poopy head" comment.

Date: 2015/01/25 18:52:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Apparently Barry has now silently banned Keith s. can Mark Frank WD400 and rvb8 be far behind?

Date: 2015/02/02 13:25:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Timaeus over at UD made the following statement in response to Aurelio Smith:
Quote
I look forward to your refutation of my arguments in the earlier posts above — if you have one. But I no more expect you to be able to stay on topic than I would expect rvb, hrun, kohoutek, polistra, gmilling, Seversky or any of the others to have the spine — or the knowledge of science or theology — to defend their positions against my criticisms.

I like it. Accuse people who are incapable of responding due to being being banned by Barry of being spineless and stupid because they don't respond.

Timmie must have really dug deep for some of these names. I commented as gmilling until I was banned a few months ago.

Date: 2015/02/02 18:18:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Another GEM from Barry Arrogant:
Quote
This debate really has degenerated to StephenB courageously and patiently trying to reason with the materialists; only to be met repeatedly with the verbal equivalent of feces flinging. I don’t know why you subject yourself to this Stephen.


If, by feces (faeces, shit, poop, excrement) you mean rational argument, I agree with Barry. Why would StephenB continue to argue an indefensible point?

Date: 2015/02/02 20:09:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
After Barry has posted two OPs with only a response from Dense, he has now posted a third that tries to draw the distinction between the chemicals that make up a human body, and the obvious (according to him) supernatural design that turns these chemicals into a person.

inane Barry crap

Date: 2015/02/02 22:46:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry has started deleting comments and adding his own editorial to others. Surprisingly this behaviour is only directed towards those who have the audacity to disagree with him.

Quote
UD Editors: Graham, no need to expose the poverty of your intellect like this. You can just not post if you’ve got nothing.


And again:
Quote
SNIP
UD Editors: Transparent attempt to derail a thread that obviously makes Petrushka uncomfortable deleted.


And again:
Quote
UD Editors: Until skram and his friends admit that emergence (which is what is described in the quote) is nothing more than materialist mysticism trying to pass itself off as an intellectually respectable scientific account, there is no need to deal with them. Skram, you can run off and comfort yourself with your little stories. Do not expect those who demand plausible accounts to be impressed.


And again:
Quote
UD Editors: Scoffing and scorn are sad and pathetic substitutes for argument. It seems, though, that is mainly what I get from materialists nowadays.


And this in a span of twenty comments, only four of which were critical of Barry's opinion.

How many Commenters critical of ID are still able to comment on UD?

Date: 2015/02/02 23:25:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 02 2015,22:46)
Barry has started deleting comments and adding his own editorial to others. Surprisingly this behaviour is only directed towards those who have the audacity to disagree with him.

 
Quote
UD Editors: Graham, no need to expose the poverty of your intellect like this. You can just not post if you’ve got nothing.


And again:
 
Quote
SNIP
UD Editors: Transparent attempt to derail a thread that obviously makes Petrushka uncomfortable deleted.


And again:
 
Quote
UD Editors: Until skram and his friends admit that emergence (which is what is described in the quote) is nothing more than materialist mysticism trying to pass itself off as an intellectually respectable scientific account, there is no need to deal with them. Skram, you can run off and comfort yourself with your little stories. Do not expect those who demand plausible accounts to be impressed.


And again:
 
Quote
UD Editors: Scoffing and scorn are sad and pathetic substitutes for argument. It seems, though, that is mainly what I get from materialists nowadays.


And this in a span of twenty comments, only four of which were critical of Barry's opinion.

How many Commenters critical of ID are still able to comment on UD?

Barry's childish behaviour continues:
Quote
UD Editors: Another attempt to change the subject deleted. Graham, if you’ve got nothing, best to move along.


And the little jerk is proud of it:
Quote
Thank you for at least trying to meet the substance of the OP. I’ve just deleted half a dozen thumb sucking, crybaby comments.


The best defence for his opinion would be to leave the "thumb sucking, crybaby comments" for everyone to judge for themselves. But Barry doesn't trust his ID followers to be "smart" enough to judge these comments and come to the same conclusions that he does.

Date: 2015/02/02 23:33:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 02 2015,23:25)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 02 2015,22:46)
Barry has started deleting comments and adding his own editorial to others. Surprisingly this behaviour is only directed towards those who have the audacity to disagree with him.

   
Quote
UD Editors: Graham, no need to expose the poverty of your intellect like this. You can just not post if you’ve got nothing.


And again:
   
Quote
SNIP
UD Editors: Transparent attempt to derail a thread that obviously makes Petrushka uncomfortable deleted.


And again:
   
Quote
UD Editors: Until skram and his friends admit that emergence (which is what is described in the quote) is nothing more than materialist mysticism trying to pass itself off as an intellectually respectable scientific account, there is no need to deal with them. Skram, you can run off and comfort yourself with your little stories. Do not expect those who demand plausible accounts to be impressed.


And again:
   
Quote
UD Editors: Scoffing and scorn are sad and pathetic substitutes for argument. It seems, though, that is mainly what I get from materialists nowadays.


And this in a span of twenty comments, only four of which were critical of Barry's opinion.

How many Commenters critical of ID are still able to comment on UD?

Barry's childish behaviour continues:
 
Quote
UD Editors: Another attempt to change the subject deleted. Graham, if you’ve got nothing, best to move along.


And the little jerk is proud of it:
 
Quote
Thank you for at least trying to meet the substance of the OP. I’ve just deleted half a dozen thumb sucking, crybaby comments.


The best defence for his opinion would be to leave the "thumb sucking, crybaby comments" for everyone to judge for themselves. But Barry doesn't trust his ID followers to be "smart" enough to judge these comments and come to the same conclusions that he does.

And again:
Quote
Radioaction: So you delete our off-topic posts, but Ba77′s off-topic posts are just fine huh?

UD Editors: No, I delete thumb sucking crybaby posts. If you don’t like our editorial policy, you are welcome to start your own blog. I have never yet seen BA77 whine like the average materialist does on these pages. Moreover, BA77′s posts are not off topic, and the fact that you think they are means you don’t really understand what the topic is.


It almost makes me sad that I have been banned. I would love to get banned again by responding to this bloated, pompous, arrogant, snob.

Date: 2015/02/04 17:50:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
This is a game we can all play. Who is arrogant enough to make this statement?
Quote
Mark, certainly a person can have a different opinion. And it is self evidently true that such person’s opinion would be wrong,

Date: 2015/02/04 19:42:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 04 2015,19:26)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 05 2015,10:50)
This is a game we can all play. Who is arrogant enough to make this statement?
   
Quote
Mark, certainly a person can have a different opinion. And it is self evidently true that such person’s opinion would be wrong,

Hmmm - same person who wrote this?:
 
Quote
You sadden me and disgust me in equal measure.

You win. Or lose, if you have ever tried to have a rational discussion with this person. Because, if you have, you have obviously lost you UD commenting "privileges".

Date: 2015/02/04 22:00:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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UD Editors: And thanks for coming onto this blog and demonstrating everything that is wrong with this postmodern hell you people are busy building. As I’ve said before, don’t worry. I realize I am fighting a rearguard retreat. The center cannot hold. Your side will surely win (at least in the short to medium term), and you can come and mock me at whatever camp they put me after the round up all of the undesirables (assuming I live long enough to see the inside of a camp).


Can you name this moron in three syllables?

Date: 2015/02/06 10:49:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Hi Joe. When are you going to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong about set theory? I am sure that we are all looking forward to it.

Will it be a companion piece to your published proof that frequency = wavelength?

Date: 2015/02/06 13:29:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 06 2015,10:58)
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Hi Joe. When are you going to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong about set theory? I am sure that we are all looking forward to it.

Will it be a companion piece to your published proof that frequency = wavelength?

Show me a frequency that has more than one wavelength. Show me a wavelength that has more than one frequency.

Cantor was ignorant about relativity and basic set subtraction proves there is a difference between countably infinite sets.

Don't blame me because you are too dim to grasp that.

Joe. You made a statement several weeks ago that wavelength equals frequency, a self-evidently incorrect statement. Everyone, including myself, makes these types of innocent misstatements on occasion but a sane and rational person would admit that they were mistaken when it is pointed out to them. Would you like to tell the good people here how you reacted to this? (no need to answer this question. It is rhetorical).

As well, in-between calling Jerrad every abusive name in the book on your blog, you claimed that you have proven that Cantor is wrong. All I asked was when you planned to publish this proof. Let me rephrase that so that even you can understand it. It will only require a one word answer. Are you planning to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong? As Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings would say, your answer will be very telling.

Date: 2015/02/07 18:49:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Irony alert! Irony alert!

Dense and Dreary has commented on the journalistic ethics of Brian Williams.

Date: 2015/02/07 18:50:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 07 2015,18:49)
Irony alert! Irony alert!

Dense and Dreary has commented on the journalistic ethics of Brian Williams.

Sorry.

Linkoid

Date: 2015/02/08 19:20:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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UDEditors: Who said anything about banning you? We want to keep you around as long as possible; you are Exhibit 1 demonstrating everything that is wrong with materialism, and we want to keep that exhibit on display as long as possible.


This was recently said by Barry to REC. Ironically, those are almost the identical words that Barry public ally said to me. Minutes before silently banning me.

Date: 2015/02/08 21:58:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ Feb. 08 2015,21:08)
I don't know much about ranking internet traffic, but I've been playing around with Alexa as a consequence of seeing a lot more traffic at Violent Metaphors. If you look up UD at Alexa, you can't see any past data because it's not ranked highly enough. If you compare it to another site, though, it'll show you the past 6 months.

UD was bouncing a little bit from a slump when it politely asked for more traffic by lifting the ban on "hundreds" of people. That was October 21. Since then, it's gone up almost 200,000 spots in the global rankings, from 591k to 408k and peaking at 380k along the way.

By the time Barry started telling us all how he really feels, the ranking had been pretty stable for about a month. Maybe he decided he'd wrung all the traffic he could out of dialog, so it was time to give angry shouting a try?

Thanks for the link. It is very interesting. Apparently the fifth most common search key phrases that led to UD was

 
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5.  chlorine based life


That explains Barry.

Date: 2015/02/09 11:29:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 09 2015,10:41)
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Nietzsche's view is profoundly limited by his historical insights/knowledge and his cultural ignorance of the vast number of non-Christian cultures that include the allegedly Christian virtues as part and parcel of their belief system.
Nietzsche has some excuse; Arrington none other than his gross and overweening ignorance about all moral thought whatsoever.

I might quibble over some details -- Nietzsche was pretty well-informed about non-Christian cultures, for a European intellectual of the 19th-century -- but generally speaking, I agree.  I just think that that's the kind of argument that needs to be made to people like Arrington.

If that argument is made to Arrington, he'll ban you.

I will accept Arrington's ASSertion about modern atheists when he acknowledges that the conclusions that are logically compelled by his Christian premises are demonstrated by the Westboro Baptist church.

Date: 2015/02/09 21:24:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
This is the best statement I have seen at UD for years. It was commented by Scram after Batshitcrazy77 posted four comments, each in excess of several hundred words of his signature spam.
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We return to our regular programming.

Date: 2015/02/10 10:52:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 10 2015,06:36)
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Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 06 2015,10:49)
Hi Joe. When are you going to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong about set theory? I am sure that we are all looking forward to it.

Will it be a companion piece to your published proof that frequency = wavelength?

Show me a frequency that has more than one wavelength. Show me a wavelength that has more than one frequency.

Cantor was ignorant about relativity and basic set subtraction proves there is a difference between countably infinite sets.

Don't blame me because you are too dim to grasp that.

Joe. You made a statement several weeks ago that wavelength equals frequency, a self-evidently incorrect statement. Everyone, including myself, makes these types of innocent misstatements on occasion but a sane and rational person would admit that they were mistaken when it is pointed out to them. Would you like to tell the good people here how you reacted to this? (no need to answer this question. It is rhetorical).

As well, in-between calling Jerrad every abusive name in the book on your blog, you claimed that you have proven that Cantor is wrong. All I asked was when you planned to publish this proof. Let me rephrase that so that even you can understand it. It will only require a one word answer. Are you planning to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong? As Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings would say, your answer will be very telling.

OK so you can't show us a frequency that has more than one wavelength. Do you have any evidence that what I said is incorrect? Can you even try to make a case to that effect?

Do you have any evidence that what I said is incorrect?


Please solve for X, where X = frequency:

2 meters = X

Please show your math.

Date: 2015/02/10 11:19:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 10 2015,10:56)
So you cannot do as I ask and you cannot make your case.

Got it

Maybe my words were too big for you to comprehend, what with your 150 IOQ and all.

Let's try again.

Please solve for X, where X = frequency:

2 meters = X

Please show your math.

Date: 2015/02/10 15:03:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Hi Joe. When are you going to publish your proof that Cantor was wrong about set theory? I am sure that we are all looking forward to it.

Will it be a companion piece to your published proof that frequency = wavelength?

Show me a frequency that has more than one wavelength. Show me a wavelength that has more than one frequency.

Cantor was ignorant about relativity and basic set subtraction proves there is a difference between countably infinite sets.

Don't blame me because you are too dim to grasp that.

Okie dokie, physics boy:

Frequency of 4kHz.  What's the wavelength?

Wavelength of 2m.  What's the frequency?

Frequency = 1/T so do the math.

You have no idea, do you?  Come on, Joe - a frequency can have only one wavelength and a wavelength can have only one frequency in Joephysics, so this should be easy.

Make your case, Johnny, if you can.

I made my case.

If frequency=wavelength, this should be trivially easy:
 
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Frequency of 4kHz.  What's the wavelength?

Wavelength of 2m.  What's the frequency?

So go ahead, brainy.

Hey assholes, I am STILL waiting for a wavelength with more than one frequency or a frequency with more than one wavelength.

What seems to be the problem? If you can't do that then just admit that I am right, again.

Wiki:
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The speed of a wave depends upon the medium in which it propagates. In particular, the speed of light in a medium is less than in vacuum, which means that the same frequency will correspond to a shorter wavelength in the medium than in vacuum, ...

In other words, just look at a rainbow.

Now that I have done what you have asked, are you still going to claim that frequency = wavelength?

Date: 2015/02/11 09:05:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
When it was repeatedly, and independently, demonstrated to Joe that one frequency can in fact have more than one wavelength, he runs away like a bully after his first bloody nose.

Date: 2015/02/11 13:12:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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This frequency = wavelength thing was carried over from  my blog and the context set there. Grow up

And it was pointed out there that you were wrong. You only brought up the "all else being equal" argument very recently, when it was pointed out to you that it is common for one frequency to have many different wavelengths.

It is difficult to see how a person with an IQ of 150 not to look up in the sky and see this fact whenever there is a light rainfall. But given your homophobia, maybe you refuse to look at rainbows as a matter of principle.

Date: 2015/02/16 16:28:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joe has been trying to defend his frequency = wavelength claim over on Larry Moran's blog. To the same effect, I might add.

Date: 2015/02/16 21:48:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Whoever is posting as MiddleStMan at UD, my hat is off to you. If you changed the name to KairosFocus, it would be indistinguishable from his ramblings.

Date: 2015/02/17 12:59:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 17 2015,12:25)
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Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 11 2015,12:49)
If all waves travel at the same speed, why do I see the lightning before I hear the thunder, Joe?  Enlighten us, O Guru!

I didn't say that all waves travel at the same speed.

But you said there's a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength*.  This can only be true if velocity is invariant.



* As I'm in a charitable mood, i'm going to disregard "frequency=wavelength" and just put it on the Big List Of Unbelievably Stupid Things Which Joe Is Too Pig-Headed To Retract.

There is a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength in any given context.

Except when there's not, as when the wave passes from one medium to another.

Dig, dig, dig. There's gold in the bottom of that hole.

Date: 2015/02/17 13:21:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 17 2015,12:33)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 12 2015,19:29)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 12 2015,14:36)
I don't know of any court case in which the defendant argued that an act was done by disembodied spirits.

Meanwhile paternity suits turn on evidence of common descent - exactly the same kinds of tests as used in phylogenetic analysis. This is one thing that bugs the hell out of me - valid in the one, invalid in the other, no good reason given. All of a sudden, at some arbitrary remove from intraspecies descent, the self-same commonality markers elide from accepted common descent to hogwash 'common design'. The less like each other genome pairs become, the more commonly-designed they are!

That is so wrong and pathetic. The tests use to determine paternity would show no relationship between humans and chimps. Different DNA sequences and different tests.

Also common design is both an observation and an experience in our world.

OK genius boy, what about the use of mitochodrial DNA comparisons to demonstrate that a 530 year old skeleton was King Richard III? The same techniques often used for phylogeny comparisons.

Date: 2015/02/18 18:25:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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From encryption to vapour tracers. Of course, it makes perfect sense.


It does if you knew the money involved...

I have a reasonable estimation of what your home is worth, Joe. So, don't even.

LoL! Richie you don't have a fucking clue. The money I made at GE was 1.5 times more than I made at Stratus and twice what I made at TCC.

What was the minimum wage back then?

Date: 2015/02/18 18:31:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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From encryption to vapour tracers. Of course, it makes perfect sense.


It does if you knew the money involved...

I have a reasonable estimation of what your home is worth, Joe. So, don't even.

What does that even mean, asshole?

It means, I have an accurate (+/- 20%) estimation of what your home is worth and I will use it as a datapoint when evaluating any claims of great riches earned whilst working in foreign lands from someone with a well documented history of dishonesty.

As if- you are just an ignorant ass, Richie. And I haven't worked since 2005 so I must have been doing something right until then.

I guess getting fired for using a company computer to post offensive comments has hindered your job prospects. Don't you just hate how one sma mistake can haunt you? At least you have never been so stupid as to claim that frequency = wavelength.  Oh, wait....

Date: 2015/02/18 18:41:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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From encryption to vapour tracers. Of course, it makes perfect sense.


It does if you knew the money involved...

I have a reasonable estimation of what your home is worth, Joe. So, don't even.

What does that even mean, asshole?

It means, I have an accurate (+/- 20%) estimation of what your home is worth and I will use it as a datapoint when evaluating any claims of great riches earned whilst working in foreign lands from someone with a well documented history of dishonesty.

As if- you are just an ignorant ass, Richie. And I haven't worked since 2005 so I must have been doing something right until then.

I guess getting fired for using a company computer to post offensive comments has hindered your job prospects. Don't you just hate how one sma mistake can haunt you? At least you have never been so stupid as to claim that frequency = wavelength.  Oh, wait....

I am retired you ignorant fuck. You are a mistake and you try to haunt me

I don't think that is his you spell "retarded". But I could be wrong.

Date: 2015/02/18 21:50:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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If all waves travel at the same speed, why do I see the lightning before I hear the thunder, Joe?  Enlighten us, O Guru!

I didn't say that all waves travel at the same speed.

But you said there's a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength*.  This can only be true if velocity is invariant.



* As I'm in a charitable mood, i'm going to disregard "frequency=wavelength" and just put it on the Big List Of Unbelievably Stupid Things Which Joe Is Too Pig-Headed To Retract.

There is a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength in any given context.

Ah, but that's not what you said is it Joe?

You said

wavelength = frequency

You didn't say

wavelength = frequency when everything else is constant (it's still not true because 520 nanometers doesn't equal 3.5 gigahertz anyway).

I'm pretty sure we have screenshots.

Here's a hint: The equal sign "=" does not mean 1:1 correspondence.  As you have been told many times and ignored.

Keep digging this is almost as good as the hail/water and a baseball can't be the same size as a rock because of density thing.

When I turn the frequency knob of a signal generator it changes the wavelength. That is all it changes.

By your logic the manufacturer doesn't know what it is doing.

You've moved the goal posts again.

You didn't say "for EM radiation at a constant velocity; wavelength = frequency"

You said "wavelength = frequency" (still not correct because the equal sign doesn't mean 1:1 correspondence)

You have all but admitted that the thing you actually said isn't true.

Now, if we only convince you that length isn't the same as time... you'll be as knowledgeable as most 2nd graders.

Kevin, You were NEVER part of the discussion so you don't know what I was saying.

But I was. So, please tell us about the discussion. And the context.

If you are having a hard time remembering, let me remind you. You claimed:

Frequency = wavelength.

No additional context. No qualifiers. No "everything else being equal". No "with constant wave velocity". No "in a single medium". No "only on Tuesdays".

Simply:

Frequency = wavelength.

Date: 2015/03/15 15:59:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 15 2015,14:44)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 15 2015,11:41)
Barry is an eager and frequent poster when he thinks he has a drum to bang, but goes missing very quickly when it all goes south.


"Wearing baseball caps but they won't be backward."

Alabama

Or he simply makes his opponents go silent.

Date: 2015/03/15 16:13:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings is presiding over an entertaining rehash of why a naturalist origin of life violates the second law of thermodynamics. What that man doesn't know about thermodynamics could fill several large text books.

Date: 2015/03/17 00:21:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 16 2015,23:50)
KF seems a little bit bitter:
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kairosfocusMarch 16, 2015 at 9:35 pm

KS, I have taken time I should not have spared, to address a raft of seriouis misconceptions and strawman objections you and other objectors have raised again and again, resisting and dismissing correction. Do you think that I am now in a mood to go after a red herring chase that leads predictably to more strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems to be set alight to further poison, cloud and polarise the atmosphere? Do you think that I was born yesterday and do not understand that already you have been hinting at personal attacks, in the teeth of reasonable responses already given on the material question, the 500 – 1,000 bit threshold? As of now, you come across as an indoctrinated ideologue who is not serious about substantial matters, only intent on the rhetoric of polarisation and distraction. I challenge you to show to us some semblance of a sign that you have seriously and with fairness and understanding interacted with our concerns and understand why I in particular have pointed to statistical underpinnings of 2LOT and then have raised the issue of statistical miracles; saying that prof Sewell has a serious point. KF

Am I wrong, or has Gordon Mullings moved the goalposts? For the longest time he was talking about 500 bits being the threshold above which "design" was guaranteed. Now he is talking about the threshold being 500-1000 bits.

At this rate, the Argos will never win the Grey Cup.

Date: 2015/03/20 14:43:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Tax season must be over. Barry is back, and he is as silly as ever.

At comment #11 he claims the the UK imposes its TV licence fee by the threat of physical violence.

Linypoo

Date: 2015/03/20 20:57:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 20 2015,18:26)
Quote (paragwinn @ Mar. 20 2015,14:27)
THOMAS JEFFERSON!!!1111!!1

FACT: Thomas Jefferson never had a TV licence.

Did he require a licence to own slaves? And to have sex, and children, with one of them?

Date: 2015/03/24 10:05:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2015,09:40)
Bonus butthurt from porn-poster chubs:

 
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JoeMarch 24, 2015 at 8:34 am
TSZ is a losing cause. Nothing will ever sway that ilk into anything other than their pseudo-science panderings. If the TSZ ilk could ante up and support their position that would be different but they don’t because they can’t. All they can do is attack ID with their belligerent ignorance. The place is run by liars and has liars for regular posters.

Who needs to deal with that?

You missed the comment that led to Joe's spewage.
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KF responding to a request to debate at TSZ:
PS: As policy, I will not try to get into debates at sites where abusive commenters are common and especially where — under false colours of free expression — they are allowed or even encouraged to get away with slander, abuse etc. UD is plainly sufficient. I doubly apologise for a potential side-track, and for not having time just now to mount a separate thread.”

IOW, he is brave enough to dish out abuse at UD knowing that anyone who responds with abuse will be banned, but too cowardly to comment at TSZ where only one person has been banned. And, I might add, where there is far less abuse than at UD.

And Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings response:
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NQ: Have you had your name “outed,” and your uninvolved wife and children [with hinted at mafioso style threats], with attempts to publish street address and more? Not to mention general nastiness, etc? Or, had someone make false accusations to your boss to try to get you in job trouble? If you have not, then go take a long walk to a reflection pool and think again about what you are enabling. Shame on you. KF

Date: 2015/03/24 13:32:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 24 2015,10:43)
Is it time for the monthly repeat of the Kariosfocus question?

How can you out someone who uses a screen name that leads directly to his website, where he posts his RL name and location?

It says much about the man when the "A Kairosfocus Briefing Note:" that his KAirosfocus nume links you to is 78666 words long. [/B]

Date: 2015/03/24 17:24:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2015,17:14)
These wont last long:

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not_queriusMarch 24, 2015 at 4:07 pm
“NQ, you have proved my point, exemplifying the problem. Your attempt to divert the thread will not be further entertained. KF”

Really? All I did was ask for evidence to support your claims about victimization. Isn’t this threat about the concept about what evidence is?

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Aurelio SmithMarch 24, 2015 at 4:12 pm
KF writes:

Have you had your name “outed,” and your uninvolved wife and children [with hinted at mafioso style threats], with attempts to publish street address and more? Not to mention general nastiness, etc? Or, had someone make false accusations to your boss to try to get you in job trouble? If you have not, then go take a long walk to a reflection pool and think again about what you are enabling. Shame on you. KF

Absolutely none of these things have occurred at TSZ where Dr Liddle has an express policy against “outing”, I quote:

Don’t use this site to try to “out” other internet denizens or indulge in ad hominem speculations. Such speculations may, notwithstanding general principles regarding deletion, be deleted.

and I can see no instance where any of the incidents alluded to by KF have happened at TSZ.

And I have to say it is fairly simple to delve into KF’s life and that of his family by simply following the links that he himself provides. If he doesn’t want us to know, then he shouldn’t post the information in the public domain.

Right now my IP address is blocked so I am using my phone's data plan to post on UD (as not_querius). I figure that it is only a matter of time. But I can't refuse when Mullings pulls this crap.

Date: 2015/03/24 17:41:52, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2015,17:25)
Install Hola (chrome extension), roll your IP through different countries ;)

Curses for not having enough memory on my phone to download it. Should I call you Tobasco?

Date: 2015/03/24 17:46:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 24 2015,17:41)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2015,17:25)
Install Hola (chrome extension), roll your IP through different countries ;)

Curses for not having enough memory on my phone to download it. Should I call you Tobasco?

I blame UD for my increased alcohol consumption. I have to find new bars (with wireless) to evade the IP block. But, sadly, I am responsible for many different wireless zones losing access to UD commenting.  Or maybe I should be thanked.

Date: 2015/03/24 19:22:11, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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I will be frank [as my lawyer advised me just yesterday], just once, and will ignore you afterwards: never get into a mud wrestling match with a pig — especially in a fever swamp; and try Matt 7:6 for the biblical version, from Serm Mt: “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.”

I am interested in real substance such as the ontological issues you are busily diverting attention from by trying the red-herring, strawman, ad hominem trick in hopes of pretending to martyrdom if your trollish conduct leads to loss of commenting privilige — and for cause it is a privilege conditioned on good conduct — at UD.


$10 for anyone who can guess who wrote this.

Date: 2015/03/26 12:51:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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If all waves travel at the same speed, why do I see the lightning before I hear the thunder, Joe?  Enlighten us, O Guru!

I didn't say that all waves travel at the same speed.

But you said there's a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength*.  This can only be true if velocity is invariant.



* As I'm in a charitable mood, i'm going to disregard "frequency=wavelength" and just put it on the Big List Of Unbelievably Stupid Things Which Joe Is Too Pig-Headed To Retract.

There is a one-to-one correspondence between frequency and wavelength in any given context.

Ah, but that's not what you said is it Joe?

You said

wavelength = frequency

You didn't say

wavelength = frequency when everything else is constant (it's still not true because 520 nanometers doesn't equal 3.5 gigahertz anyway).

I'm pretty sure we have screenshots.

Here's a hint: The equal sign "=" does not mean 1:1 correspondence.  As you have been told many times and ignored.

Keep digging this is almost as good as the hail/water and a baseball can't be the same size as a rock because of density thing.

When I turn the frequency knob of a signal generator it changes the wavelength. That is all it changes.

By your logic the manufacturer doesn't know what it is doing.

You've moved the goal posts again.

You didn't say "for EM radiation at a constant velocity; wavelength = frequency"

You said "wavelength = frequency" (still not correct because the equal sign doesn't mean 1:1 correspondence)

You have all but admitted that the thing you actually said isn't true.

Now, if we only convince you that length isn't the same as time... you'll be as knowledgeable as most 2nd graders.

Kevin, You were NEVER part of the discussion so you don't know what I was saying.

But I was. So, please tell us about the discussion. And the context.

If you are having a hard time remembering, let me remind you. You claimed:

Frequency = wavelength.

No additional context. No qualifiers. No "everything else being equal". No "with constant wave velocity". No "in a single medium". No "only on Tuesdays".

Simply:

Frequency = wavelength.

You are lying, as usual.

Nice try Joe. Unfortunately the evidence does not support this claim. You clearly stated that wavelength = frequency without any qualifications.

Date: 2015/03/27 16:15:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 26 2015,22:31)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 26 2015,21:23)
Re "Slow and steady eats the donut."

Might be a hole in the middle of that theory...

Well, duh...

A-hole named JoeG.

True. But hole = wavelength.

Date: 2015/03/27 16:20:52, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Okay, we promise to get back to serious science coverage soon, but

Possibly the most oxymoronic (or moronic) OP title ever penned by Dense and Bleary

Date: 2015/03/29 10:16:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 28 2015,19:42)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 26 2015,13:47)
Joe, what is the frequency if wavelength = 1 meter?

How do you know the wavelength?

If you are looking at the wavelength on an oscilloscope then the frequency follows. If you are transmitting a certain wavelength then the frequency also follows.

It isn't that difficult to grasp.

Joe is nothing if not predictable. He makes a mistake that anyone could make (eg, wavelength = frequency). But, whereas rational people would acknowledge the error when it is pointed out to him (repeatedly), our beloved Joey sticks to his guns. Joey, please never change.

Date: 2015/03/29 10:20:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 29 2015,08:56)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2015,03:42)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 26 2015,13:47)
Joe, what is the frequency if wavelength = 1 meter?

How do you know the wavelength?

If you are looking at the wavelength on an oscilloscope then the frequency follows. If you are transmitting a certain wavelength then the frequency also follows.

It isn't that difficult to grasp.

Hey Joe you nice try covering up your mistake, why can't you understand frequency is not wavelength

If you could answer the questions (especially q2b) below then you would know why.

Clearly Joe prefers ignorance over knowledge.

Q1.The speed of a wave depends upon (i.e., is causally affected by) ...

a. the properties of the medium through which the wave travels

b. the wavelength of the wave.

c. the frequency of the wave.

d. both the wavelength and the frequency of the wave.


Q2. Now if you hook up your transmitter to an open circuit 1/4 lamda length of transmission line (with equal characteristic impedance to the signal source impedance) that has a vf of 0.7
A. How much power is reflected to the source?
B. What is the wavelength and frequency in the transmission line compared to a vacuum?
C. What is the Relative Dielectric Permitivity of the transmission line compared to a vacuum.

Is this an African swallow?

Date: 2015/03/29 13:26:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2015,11:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 12 2014,14:09)
Joe:

 
Quote
Stonehenge- design determined; further research to establish how, by whom, why and when.


Reality:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news.......nehenge

 
Quote


A prehistoric village has been discovered in southern England that was likely home to the builders of Stonehenge, archaeologists announced on January 30, 2007 (read the full story).

The village, located 1.75 miles (2.8 kilometers) from the famous stone circle, includes eight wooden houses dated back to around 2500 B.C.

The remains of a cluster of homes include the outlines of floors, beds, and cupboards. Tools, jewelry, pottery, and human and animal bones were also found.

...


he's been corrected on this before, but in true creationist fashion he just rolls out the old, untrue tropes.

Richie creates a post that supports what I said and thinks it somehow refutes me- really?

Design was determined before they found that village, cupcake. That supports what I said.

Design detection is top down- first you determine it exists and then you try to answer the questions that follow from that.

But IDiots will not entertain the approach you mention. We have been investigating the most probable designer and the mechanism of manufacture of Stonehenge for a very long time. Yet IDiots refuse to entertain questions about the designer and the mechanisms used.

if there is overwhelming evidence for design in nature then, according to your own words, there are follow-on questions that need to be answered. Does this mean that there is no overwhelming evidence for design? Please tell Gordon (Kairosfocus) Mullings and Barry, and Denyse about this. I would, but I have been silently banned.

Date: 2015/03/30 17:02:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,11:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 29 2015,16:24)
I maintain that forensics is not an ID supporting system mainly because this is how an ID police force would work.

Officer: Yes ma'am, due to various calculations, we've determined that your husband was murdered.

Wife: Do you have any suspects.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but we don't look for the murder, just determine that he was murdered.

Wife: Can I see your calculations, maybe I could give them to a private detective.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but you wouldn't understand them.

Wife: Surely you can give them to me. Maybe someone else could understand them.

Officer: I already gave them to you.

Kevin, just because you are a lowlife loser who couldn't conduct an investigation if your life depended on it, doesn't mean everyone else is too.

You don't look for a murderer until you determine a murder has been committed. And most times that is all the forensics says. The detectives then go about using the forensics to find the murderer.

But then again you know forensics only from CSI shows...

True, you don't look for a murderer until you know a murder has been committed. Does this mean that you are finally admitting that design in nature is far from conclusive?

Biologists started looking for the mechanism behind evolution shortly after Darwin proposed his theory. Since then they have discovered genetics, mutation, meiosis and mitosis, genetic drift, neutral theory, antibiotic resistance, horizontal gene transfer, transcription, transposition, etc., et ., etc.

And ID has discovered ...??? FIASCO? good job.

Maybe you should stick to wavelength and frequency. You make more sense with these (none).

Date: 2015/03/30 17:32:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 30 2015,17:20)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 30 2015,15:02)
And ID has discovered ...??? FIASCO? good job.

Credit where it's due, AB.  ID has also discovered:

- the largest known number;
- vegan ticks;
- ice is not water;
- the stars in the rest of the universe stop the planets from falling into the sun;
- the amount of CSI in caek and aardvarks;
- and of course, frequency = wavelength.

Admittedly, that's all just Joe.  But his laboratoryshed is the only ID research facility to have produced anything.

But with a self admitted IQ of >150, I would expect no less.

Date: 2015/03/30 18:14:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,18:00)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 30 2015,17:02)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,11:48)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 29 2015,16:24)
I maintain that forensics is not an ID supporting system mainly because this is how an ID police force would work.

Officer: Yes ma'am, due to various calculations, we've determined that your husband was murdered.

Wife: Do you have any suspects.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but we don't look for the murder, just determine that he was murdered.

Wife: Can I see your calculations, maybe I could give them to a private detective.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but you wouldn't understand them.

Wife: Surely you can give them to me. Maybe someone else could understand them.

Officer: I already gave them to you.

Kevin, just because you are a lowlife loser who couldn't conduct an investigation if your life depended on it, doesn't mean everyone else is too.

You don't look for a murderer until you determine a murder has been committed. And most times that is all the forensics says. The detectives then go about using the forensics to find the murderer.

But then again you know forensics only from CSI shows...

True, you don't look for a murderer until you know a murder has been committed. Does this mean that you are finally admitting that design in nature is far from conclusive?

Biologists started looking for the mechanism behind evolution shortly after Darwin proposed his theory. Since then they have discovered genetics, mutation, meiosis and mitosis, genetic drift, neutral theory, antibiotic resistance, horizontal gene transfer, transcription, transposition, etc., et ., etc.

And ID has discovered ...??? FIASCO? good job.

Maybe you should stick to wavelength and frequency. You make more sense with these (none).

Unguided evolution cannot account for any of what biologists have found- well it can account for disease and deformities.

Transcription and translation alone are definitely evidence for ID. The genetic code is arbitrary and as such it is not reducible to physics or chemistry. Add alternative splicing, overlapping genes, proof-reading, error-correction and intelligent design in biology is as self-evident as the intelligent design of Stonehenge.

Even when given starting populations of prokaryotes you don't have a mechanism that can get beyond that.

Joey, you keep telling us what we don't have (even though we do) but you never tell us what creationism has. Please be specific. Please link us to the definitive theory. And the overwhelming evidence that supports this theory. And see if you can do this without using words like "asshole, fuck, moron, etc".  

You are now up to bat.

Date: 2015/03/30 18:32:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,18:17)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 30 2015,18:14)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,18:00)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 30 2015,17:02)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 30 2015,11:48)
   
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 29 2015,16:24)
I maintain that forensics is not an ID supporting system mainly because this is how an ID police force would work.

Officer: Yes ma'am, due to various calculations, we've determined that your husband was murdered.

Wife: Do you have any suspects.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but we don't look for the murder, just determine that he was murdered.

Wife: Can I see your calculations, maybe I could give them to a private detective.

Officer: Sorry ma'am, but you wouldn't understand them.

Wife: Surely you can give them to me. Maybe someone else could understand them.

Officer: I already gave them to you.

Kevin, just because you are a lowlife loser who couldn't conduct an investigation if your life depended on it, doesn't mean everyone else is too.

You don't look for a murderer until you determine a murder has been committed. And most times that is all the forensics says. The detectives then go about using the forensics to find the murderer.

But then again you know forensics only from CSI shows...

True, you don't look for a murderer until you know a murder has been committed. Does this mean that you are finally admitting that design in nature is far from conclusive?

Biologists started looking for the mechanism behind evolution shortly after Darwin proposed his theory. Since then they have discovered genetics, mutation, meiosis and mitosis, genetic drift, neutral theory, antibiotic resistance, horizontal gene transfer, transcription, transposition, etc., et ., etc.

And ID has discovered ...??? FIASCO? good job.

Maybe you should stick to wavelength and frequency. You make more sense with these (none).

Unguided evolution cannot account for any of what biologists have found- well it can account for disease and deformities.

Transcription and translation alone are definitely evidence for ID. The genetic code is arbitrary and as such it is not reducible to physics or chemistry. Add alternative splicing, overlapping genes, proof-reading, error-correction and intelligent design in biology is as self-evident as the intelligent design of Stonehenge.

Even when given starting populations of prokaryotes you don't have a mechanism that can get beyond that.

Joey, you keep telling us what we don't have (even though we do) but you never tell us what creationism has. Please be specific. Please link us to the definitive theory. And the overwhelming evidence that supports this theory. And see if you can do this without using words like "asshole, fuck, moron, etc".  

You are now up to bat.

ID is not creationism. Obviously you are too fucked up to have a discussion.

I have provided all you ask for on my blog. It has a search feature. Today's post is a repost of positive evidence for ID.

Joey, until you "ID" proponents are willing to discuss the nature of the designer and the mechanisms involved, ID and creationism are indistinguishable. Can you explain to me (and other fellow travellers) why I am wrong?

On another subject, are you willing to give us your honest opinion of Gordon Mullings and Bornagain77?  If you cannot distinguish yourself from these "geniuses" why should we take you seriously?

Date: 2015/04/01 18:16:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
As much as I love pointing out Joe's insanities, I also feel guilty. We are obviously talking about someone who seeks attention, regardless of how he obtains it. We wouldn't make fun of a person with Down's, of with cerebral palsy, or epilepsy, or even with a lisp. Please people. Stop making fun of disadvantaged people like Joe. He deserves nothing but our support.

Date: 2015/04/01 22:12:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 01 2015,19:59)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 01 2015,18:16)
As much as I love pointing out Joe's insanities, I also feel guilty. We are obviously talking about someone who seeks attention, regardless of how he obtains it. We wouldn't make fun of a person with Down's, of with cerebral palsy, or epilepsy, or even with a lisp. Please people. Stop making fun of disadvantaged people like Joe. He deserves nothing but our support.

All those other people are nice. Joe is an ass who physically threatens people who disagree with him.

Although, I wonder if this is an April Fools Day thing...

Sorry. I forgot to use the sarcasm font.

Date: 2015/04/02 09:17:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ April 02 2015,08:03)
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 02 2015,01:56)
Current UD regular ppolish introduces a new intelligent design measuring unit:
     
Quote

Zach, this fish is a model of ID and guided purposeful evolution:
http://www.nature.com/news........15778

For this fish to give rise to a mammal a hundred or so million years from now would require gobs of ID. Boggles the mind.

UD link, my emphasis.

Problem is he doesn't reveal exactly how large a gob is. Hazarding a guess though, given that several of them together are enough to boggle the mind: 10 or more dembskis?

Is it possible to express "gobs" in "demskis"?

If wavelength can equal frequency, then surly gobs can equal dembskis.

Date: 2015/04/09 09:25:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 09 2015,09:05)
KF, American Taliban:

Quote
...3: The claim I find obnoxious is not that people are usually emotionally engaged in their religious views (or other forms of worldviews for that matter . . . it is easy to see that the New Atheists are angry at God, inclined to attack or even persecute those who believe in God, and generally are so caught up that they are oblivious to how boorish, sophomoric and ill-bred they come across as . . . ) but the blanket dismissal of such as dismissive of evidence.


Those atheists are lying about their beliefs and oppressing that majority again by supporting gay rights and such.

I found it amusing that this was a response to someone calling himself/herself "lack of Focus".

Date: 2015/04/10 08:35:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ April 10 2015,06:01)
phoenix has been banned at UD.

Clarice has been banned at UD.

Lack of focus has been arguing with Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings about the one sided banning policy of UD. So he/she is probably going to be the next on the list.

Date: 2015/04/13 10:38:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 12 2015,21:43)
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 12 2015,19:52)
Comments appear to be disappearing from Barry's latest 'RDFish is an Idiot' post. First to go was one from an ID critic whose name and content I cannot recall, except it was to the effect that an 'armchair psychologist' could see that fear has driven Barry's post; Joe's comment still refers to it. Next to go were Jim Smith's and Wallstreeter43s' comments, although strangely their post headers remain, void of content. Jim Smith's comment was (against form) critical of Barry, and as I recall Wallstreeter's was supportive, although I don't have the content of either saved.
The post is a spectacular meltdown, and it's only Monday where I am!
UD link

Hopefully someone saved a copy of the thread because when Barry Arrogant sobers up you can bet the whole thing will be gone.

I especially like where BA pulled a kariosflatus and added the following comment (bolded) to LoF's post.
   
Quote
lack of Focus April 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Well Barry, since you are incapable of having a discussion without name calling, I will simply say that we agree to disagree, and move on to have discussions with people who can behave like mature adults.

Cheers.

Barry responds: Coward. If you ever grow a pair and find the courage to examine your beliefs at a very basic level, come back and we’ll talk. I won’t be holding my breath.


Yeah Barry, do lecture everyone about cowardice when you insult people, erase their words and /or silently ban them for disagreeing with you.  Someone remind me, when's the last time the Arrogant One posted here or at TSZ?

And Tim resorts to bad poetry.
Quote
Barry takes aim at their hocus pocus,
With a syllogistic barrage, whose cross-hairs, whose locus,
Meets just over the head of their ken,
So instead of playing ball
They run like Lack of Focus.

Date: 2015/04/13 10:48:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 13 2015,10:38)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 12 2015,21:43)
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 12 2015,19:52)
Comments appear to be disappearing from Barry's latest 'RDFish is an Idiot' post. First to go was one from an ID critic whose name and content I cannot recall, except it was to the effect that an 'armchair psychologist' could see that fear has driven Barry's post; Joe's comment still refers to it. Next to go were Jim Smith's and Wallstreeter43s' comments, although strangely their post headers remain, void of content. Jim Smith's comment was (against form) critical of Barry, and as I recall Wallstreeter's was supportive, although I don't have the content of either saved.
The post is a spectacular meltdown, and it's only Monday where I am!
UD link

Hopefully someone saved a copy of the thread because when Barry Arrogant sobers up you can bet the whole thing will be gone.

I especially like where BA pulled a kariosflatus and added the following comment (bolded) to LoF's post.
   
Quote
lack of Focus April 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Well Barry, since you are incapable of having a discussion without name calling, I will simply say that we agree to disagree, and move on to have discussions with people who can behave like mature adults.

Cheers.

Barry responds: Coward. If you ever grow a pair and find the courage to examine your beliefs at a very basic level, come back and we’ll talk. I won’t be holding my breath.


Yeah Barry, do lecture everyone about cowardice when you insult people, erase their words and /or silently ban them for disagreeing with you.  Someone remind me, when's the last time the Arrogant One posted here or at TSZ?

And Tim resorts to bad poetry.
Quote
Barry takes aim at their hocus pocus,
With a syllogistic barrage, whose cross-hairs, whose locus,
Meets just over the head of their ken,
So instead of playing ball
They run like Lack of Focus.

And Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings goes to Barry's defence.
Quote
Barry, are you doing a practical demonstration on the subject of how we are morally governed, so that even those whose worldviews deny that possibility find themselves under it and naturally — even angrily — expect others to be like that? If that is a material part of the why of this thread, I can see its point. Not my way, but then a mild but sharply painful swat on the gluteus maximus can often have a wonderful effect on a recalcitrant child. KF

Date: 2015/04/13 14:19:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
26  lack of FocusApril 13, 2015 at 6:04 am

UD Editors: Sniveling and whining deleted from this comment. Nothing is left over.


Apparently, stating that you refuse to debate with someone who resorts to name calling is snivelling and whining. I thought that he would appreciate my christian "turn the other cheek" approach. But I turn the other cheek and he gives it a good swift kick. Looks like it's back to moderation for me.

Date: 2015/04/14 12:21:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry starts a new thread after he could not win a discussion in a previous thread.
Restart #1

He was losing the argument again so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #2

He was losing this argument, again, so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #3

I think that Tom Cruise recently made a movie about this.
Edge of Tomorrow

In Barry's case, the title should be Edge of Insanity.

Date: 2015/04/14 17:12:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
UDEditors: And it is probably too much to hope that you will put up a cogent argument in defense of your position instead of snits, snears and distractions. But we do keep hoping.”

Barry, I have explained the conditions under which I would participate in a discussion with you. They were simple. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Obviously you are having difficulty honouring this request. Cheers.

UD Editors: Lack of Focus has continued to insult me. He will no longer be with us.

Date: 2015/04/14 17:22:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 14 2015,17:12)
Quote
UDEditors: And it is probably too much to hope that you will put up a cogent argument in defense of your position instead of snits, snears and distractions. But we do keep hoping.”

Barry, I have explained the conditions under which I would participate in a discussion with you. They were simple. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Obviously you are having difficulty honouring this request. Cheers.

UD Editors: Lack of Focus has continued to insult me. He will no longer be with us.

I made sure to post the above as soon as I saw it.

This is war it now looks like:
[QUOTE]“UDEditors: And it is probably too much to hope that you will put up a cogent argument in defense of your position instead of snits, snears and distractions. But we do keep hoping.”

Barry, I have explained the conditions under which I would participate in a discussion with you. They were simple. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Obviously you are having difficulty honouring this request. Cheers.

What a lying duplicitous sack of shit Barry is. My apologies to all other sacks of shit

Date: 2015/04/14 17:49:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 14 2015,17:37)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 14 2015,17:22)
     
Quote
UDEditors: And it is probably too much to hope that you will put up a cogent argument in defense of your position instead of snits, snears and distractions. But we do keep hoping.”

Barry, I have explained the conditions under which I would participate in a discussion with you. They were simple. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Obviously you are having difficulty honouring this request. Cheers.

UD Editors: Lack of Focus has continued to insult me. He will no longer be with us.

I made sure to post the above as soon as I saw it.

This is war it now looks like:
   
Quote
UDEditors: And it is probably too much to hope that you will put up a cogent argument in defense of your position instead of snits, snears and distractions. But we do keep hoping.”

Barry, I have explained the conditions under which I would participate in a discussion with you. They were simple. Stop acting like a spoiled child. Obviously you are having difficulty honouring this request. Cheers.


What a lying duplicitous sack of shit Barry is. My apologies to all other sacks of shit

Hey, at least the big turd gave you a few minutes' notice.  Most of us got the silent bannination where our posts just stop appearing.  :)

I don't think it was even a few minutes. His little missive was deleted in the amount of time it took me to post the first one here.

Date: 2015/04/15 10:22:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 14 2015,12:21)
Barry starts a new thread after he could not win a discussion in a previous thread.
Restart #1

He was losing the argument again so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #2

He was losing this argument, again, so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #3

I think that Tom Cruise recently made a movie about this.
Edge of Tomorrow

In Barry's case, the title should be Edge of Insanity.

Barry was losing the argument so he started a new OP with an opinion that he thinks is a winner. Surprisingly he didn't stop comments on the previous thread.
Restart #4

And again, he couldn't win the argument so he stops comments on that thread and directs everyone to a new OP, where he again changes the premise of the argument.
Restart #5

If this weren't so damned entertaining, it might become annoying.

Date: 2015/04/15 11:44:58, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Happy 10th birthday UD.
Linky

Quote
On April 15, 2005 Bill Dembski posted the first post on UD. Ten years later we have had 14,507 posts accompanied by 330,807 comments. From that humble beginning we have grown so that today we get hundreds of thousands of page views and over 50,000 unique visitors each month. We have 49,502 registered users.


That will happen when you habitually ban dissenters and they have to log in under different names.

Date: 2015/04/15 13:52:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 15 2015,12:57)
Barry is a cartoon character. He's like Yosemite Sam minus the integrity and sex appeal.

I always envisioned him more like Foghorn Leghorn. Speaking a lot but saying little.

Date: 2015/04/15 18:04:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Another comment appears, and then quickly disappears. The fingerprints incriminate Banny Arrogant.
Quote
"<i>Please don’t accuse Mr. Arrington of unwillingness to debate without evidence..."</i>

Evidence?  He deleted many comments from a previous thread, leaving a statement about the validity of the comment that others could not judge for themselves because he deleted the comment. What would you call that? The word "cowardice" comes to mind. Do you really like someone editing the content of the message that you are allowed to see?

Date: 2015/04/16 10:52:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 15 2015,10:22)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 14 2015,12:21)
Barry starts a new thread after he could not win a discussion in a previous thread.
Restart #1

He was losing the argument again so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #2

He was losing this argument, again, so he closes the thread and re-poses the question in a way that he thinks he can win.
Restart #3

I think that Tom Cruise recently made a movie about this.
Edge of Tomorrow

In Barry's case, the title should be Edge of Insanity.

Barry was losing the argument so he started a new OP with an opinion that he thinks is a winner. Surprisingly he didn't stop comments on the previous thread.
Restart #4

And again, he couldn't win the argument so he stops comments on that thread and directs everyone to a new OP, where he again changes the premise of the argument.
Restart #5

If this weren't so damned entertaining, it might become annoying.

And once more, just for old time's sake.
Restart #6

But he promises that this is the last one.

Date: 2015/04/17 10:03:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 16 2015,21:53)
Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2015,10:52)
Restart #6
Barry has disappointing news for tardaholics:
 
Quote
This will be my last post on this subject.

The goal of tardathons is to reduce the population of literate posters to three.

It looks like Barry was just teasing us.
Restart #7

Is it too much to hope that this is lucky #7?

Date: 2015/04/17 13:16:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 17 2015,10:03)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 16 2015,21:53)
Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2015,10:52)
Restart #6
Barry has disappointing news for tardaholics:
   
Quote
This will be my last post on this subject.

The goal of tardathons is to reduce the population of literate posters to three.

It looks like Barry was just teasing us.
Restart #7

Is it too much to hope that this is lucky #7?

Will this never end???
Restart #8

I've changed my mind. This isn't like Edge of Tomorrow. It is more like Groundhog Day.

Date: 2015/04/19 09:33:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ April 19 2015,05:44)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 19 2015,11:10)
Google DNS server is definitely reporting that UD does not exist.

Then who was phone?

Now even Dense and Dreary is jumping on Barry's materialism vs objective morality.

Dense and Dreary

It is nice to see UD stick to the science of ID.

Date: 2015/04/19 09:42:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ April 18 2015,06:44)
I knew this was coming. gordo the bloviating drama queen has posted a large load of his typical projectile vomit against materialists, scientism, Marxists, Lewontin!, Sagan, Darwinism, etc., etc., etc. And of course he shat the Plato's Cave crap for the gazillionth time and even posted an "animated version" video about it. Apparently the real Plato wasn't available to star in the video.

http://tinyurl.com/qbaclm8....qbaclm8

And even though he put END (as usual) at the bottom of his rancid OP, he went on to post the first five comments in a row (so far).

Obviously it wasn't enough for gordo to barf his other recent comments, such as numbers 33 and 34 in this thread:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments


ETA: I had to replace the first url with a tiny url because the other one was too long to work.

There are a total of 18 comments to this OP, 11 are from Gordon Mullings. Maybe this is just a new strategy. Rather that post and not allow comments, he posts and doesn't give anyone else the chance to comment.

Date: 2015/04/19 10:11:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 19 2015,09:42)
Quote (The whole truth @ April 18 2015,06:44)
I knew this was coming. gordo the bloviating drama queen has posted a large load of his typical projectile vomit against materialists, scientism, Marxists, Lewontin!, Sagan, Darwinism, etc., etc., etc. And of course he shat the Plato's Cave crap for the gazillionth time and even posted an "animated version" video about it. Apparently the real Plato wasn't available to star in the video.

http://tinyurl.com/qbaclm8....qbaclm8

And even though he put END (as usual) at the bottom of his rancid OP, he went on to post the first five comments in a row (so far).

Obviously it wasn't enough for gordo to barf his other recent comments, such as numbers 33 and 34 in this thread:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments


ETA: I had to replace the first url with a tiny url because the other one was too long to work.

There are a total of 18 comments to this OP, 11 are from Gordon Mullings. Maybe this is just a new strategy. Rather that post and not allow comments, he posts and doesn't give anyone else the chance to comment.

The last lines in one of Gordo's comments:
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PS: Notice, how the objectors are largely absent . . .

I think we can thank Barry for that. And the fact that Gordo's OPs are so verbose and meandering that they are impossible to parse.

Date: 2015/04/19 11:22:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Henry J @ April 19 2015,11:09)
Not sparse enough to parse?

Not coherent enough to parse.

Date: 2015/04/19 11:31:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry's latest weapon in his arsenal is to post an OP listing materialist . Materialist Dodges.

Any argument that he can't counter (which is almost all of them) he declares to be a materialist dodge and dismisses it. I wonder if they taught him this in ambulance chasing college.

Date: 2015/04/19 17:08:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Amadan @ April 19 2015,14:52)
Quote (stevestory @ April 19 2015,19:10)
somebody over there is asking barry "Is slavery objectively wrong?" and barry apparently can't answer it, and he's being called out repeatedly, and his excuse is "I don't feel a need to jump your hoops" and he probably thinks he looks clever. It's awesome.  :p

Pathetic level of morality?

And this gem from Andre:
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Slavery in biblical times was mostly good for slaves.

Date: 2015/04/20 13:38:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 20 2015,13:23)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 19 2015,22:23)
Quote (stevestory @ April 19 2015,13:10)
somebody over there is asking barry "Is slavery objectively wrong?" and barry apparently can't answer it, and he's being called out repeatedly, and his excuse is "I don't feel a need to jump your hoops" and he probably thinks he looks clever. It's awesome.  :p

That whole thread is surreal.  There's a whole flock of the IDiots over there trying to defend the idea that slavery isn't bad for the slaves.

Words fail me.

that's really their only way out. They've got to say slavery is OK, because it's Objective Morality Straight From Teh Bible, but if they just say that, everyone will know they're horrible cretins, so they're gonna have to say well That slavery wasn't Really like what You call slavery, which is bad, blah blah blah.

Dim loudmouths babbling about philosophical issues quickly get lost in cul-de-sacs.

Barry still refuses to answer that very simple question. Rather, he dismisses the commenter as an asshat. At this point, he has simply run away like the coward he is.

Date: 2015/04/20 16:40:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2015,16:10)
From the Koch brothers sponsored department of Republican Revisionist history:

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AndreApril 19, 2015 at 2:13 pm
And here is another person that don’t understand slavery in the Biblical context. Right Stenosesmella a few questions. … In 1500 BC was there such a thing as a democratic government? Careers? Pension? Medical Aid? Also was there such a thing as welfare? social workers? Police? Judicial system? Prisons? Hospitals?

Slavery in biblical times was mostly good for slaves. If a rich person did not take you in you’d be dead. Slavery in biblical times was almost always voluntary with clear rules and a handsome pay out when it was time to be freed.

The ignorance of the feeble minded saddens me.


You see your slaves were your basic moocher class, bronze age welfare queens who had it easy. This is before Jesus came back as John Galt. The just laid around waiting for their "handsome pay out" whilst who had to do all the whipping and raping? That's right, the SLAVE OWNERS!

This also (like PCD) disproves evolution because as folks basically just die without being slaves someone must have set up this cushy system from day 1.

CHECK MATE.

I knew that Cecil B. Demille was lying to us in The Ten Commandments? Those pyramids weren't built by slaves, they randomly assembled themselves when a tornado rolled through a quarry.

Date: 2015/04/20 17:17:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2015,17:00)
Materialism defeated!


KF:
 
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Then, along comes an Euler, and BANG!

0 = 1 + e^i*pi


but:

bfast:
 
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DaveS, “You can of course express it more compactly (and more sensibly) as e^i*pi = -1. Does it then lose some of its magic?” Actually, yours is the more commonly expressed form of Euler’s identity. It doesn’t loose magic in this format — it increases in magic.



Then Mullings laid waste to his detractors with this:
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DS, only at the price of obscuring the relationships between a nexus of numbers, relationships and operations. The five most prominent numbers in one astonishingly coherent framework tied to oscillations and waves [thus frequency space]. Huge insights beckon when the classic form is rearranged . . . a common enough thing in strategic synthesis, the moment of lateral insight and eye-opening synthesis. Likewise for me a real breakthrough in economic insight was to think in terms of the dynamics of aggregate supply & demand, with saturation as resources tighten up highlighted leading to insights on overheating an economy, stagflation, shocks and Schumpeter’s creative destruction . . . here GDP fell 50% when the volcano hit. Just one little diagram or equation, but then comes the moment of insightful synthesis. But then, I am a moderate constructivist in education philosophy. KF


Unfortunately he neglected to leave us a Rosetta Stone to enable translation into human.

Date: 2015/04/20 17:25:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 20 2015,17:17)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2015,17:00)
Materialism defeated!


KF:
 
Quote
Then, along comes an Euler, and BANG!

0 = 1 + e^i*pi


but:

bfast:
 
Quote
DaveS, “You can of course express it more compactly (and more sensibly) as e^i*pi = -1. Does it then lose some of its magic?” Actually, yours is the more commonly expressed form of Euler’s identity. It doesn’t loose magic in this format — it increases in magic.



Then Mullings laid waste to his detractors with this:
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DS, only at the price of obscuring the relationships between a nexus of numbers, relationships and operations. The five most prominent numbers in one astonishingly coherent framework tied to oscillations and waves [thus frequency space]. Huge insights beckon when the classic form is rearranged . . . a common enough thing in strategic synthesis, the moment of lateral insight and eye-opening synthesis. Likewise for me a real breakthrough in economic insight was to think in terms of the dynamics of aggregate supply & demand, with saturation as resources tighten up highlighted leading to insights on overheating an economy, stagflation, shocks and Schumpeter’s creative destruction . . . here GDP fell 50% when the volcano hit. Just one little diagram or equation, but then comes the moment of insightful synthesis. But then, I am a moderate constructivist in education philosophy. KF


Unfortunately he neglected to leave us a Rosetta Stone to enable translation into human.

Even better was Stenosemella's response:

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Is this really supposed to mean anything? Be profound? Could you please rephrase this in a fashion that can be comprehended by a human being?

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.


I am taking bets on how long it is before Mullings goes crying to Barry to have this insolence squashed.

Date: 2015/04/21 22:56:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 21 2015,19:20)
LULZ!

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10
kairosfocusApril 21, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Seversky: FTR, you are citing the operator of a hate and slander site and web vandal. KF


1. He was citing the bible, actually.
2. TWT Is often accused of these things buy KF but he never presents any evidence.


Pearl-clutching at its saddest.

It has been pointed out to him.
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KF: “Seversy: FTR, you are citing the operator of a hate and slander site and web vandal. KF”

Actually he is citing the bible. But it is refreshing to see you admit that the bible contains hate and slander. I was afraid that I was just misinterpreting it.


I predict a Barry Arrington blasphemy charge in the near future.

Date: 2015/04/22 15:33:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Everybody's favourite drama queen Gurdon (KairosFocus) Mullings is at it again.
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DS, I have pointed out that here at UD we have dealt with many cases of evolutionary materialist atheists and fellow travellers who not only cling to a self-referentially incoherent ideology but are perfectly willing to burn down logic starting with first principles of reason. Far many more, are so locked into ideology that they become just that, locked in. KF

Date: 2015/04/22 17:15:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 22 2015,17:05)
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 22 2015,17:04)
I sense a new eruption is about to come from the Caribbean Island of Montserrat:
 
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96
stenosemellaApril 22, 2015 at 3:50 pm

Gordon: ” And, I have seen people more than willing to indulge in ugly threats against uninvolved family…”

You have claimed this repeatedly but when asked to provide details you run away. Please stop pretending to be the victim. You claim victimization and act like a drama queen every time someone uses your real name. And then in the same thread you link to a document with your name on it. Have you ever heard about the boy who cried wolf?

He seriously needs to talk to JoeG about that.

Our buddy Gordon Mullings often uses Noe as an example of someone being persecuted. It generally goes along the lines of,...'have you ever have someone contact your employer to try to get you fired? '. What he somehow neglects to mention is that this happened because Joe was using a work computer to post threats to those he disagreed with. How Christian of him to forget this part of the story.

Date: 2015/04/22 17:19:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
[QUOTE]97 Barry ArringtonApril 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm
UDEditors: stenosemella has been shown the exit.

Now, I never would have predicted that. At least it wasn't a silent banning.

Date: 2015/04/23 09:24:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ April 23 2015,08:37)
[quote=Acartia_Bogart,April 22 2015,17:19]  
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97 Barry ArringtonApril 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm
UDEditors: stenosemella has been shown the exit.

Now, I never would have predicted that. At least it wasn't a silent banning.

I couldn't withstand sacrificing myself at UD:
   
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103 sparc April 23, 2015 at 7:18 am    
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96 stenosemella April 22, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Gordon: ” And, I have seen people more than willing to indulge in ugly threats against uninvolved family…”

You have claimed this repeatedly but when asked to provide details you run away. Please stop pretending to be the victim. You claim victimization and act like a drama queen every time someone uses your real name. And then in the same thread you link to a document with your name on it. Have you ever heard about the boy who cried wolf?
 
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97 Barry Arrington April 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm
       
UDEditors: stenosemella has been shown the exit.


Haven’t we been through this before?

Because of Barry's banning frenzy prior to his amnesty, I had numerous sock-puppet names. I have just been cycling through them again. Unfortunately, I don't remember the passwords for all of them.

Stenosemella wasn't one of them but I agree with the sentiment.

Date: 2015/04/23 13:27:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 23 2015,11:57)
Comments off, of course:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....nablers

He never addresses the "why do you keep outing yourself?" issue.

Date: 2015/04/23 16:39:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Those evil atheists are giving Barry and Gordon Mullings a hard time:

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KF,

I respect your effort to remain anonymous.

However, when your links from your name or documents posted here contain your real name, I’m not sure you can fault people for calling you by that name.

Also, where we you when the owner of this blog posted full names and work information of individuals who made him angry?

And:
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UDEditors: stenosemella has been shown the exit.

You are a coward. Clearly.

And kairosfocus has two new post with comment closed from the start.

It looks like REC and Jerad are falling on their sword for Stenosemella.

Date: 2015/04/23 19:45:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
I must thank you for taking courage to unlurk and speak up. KF

I got past the UD moderation by kissing Gordon's ass and agreeing with his victimization. I will have to bathe in bleach for a week to get rid of the stench.

Date: 2015/04/24 15:12:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2015,14:42)
KF to EL:

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Now, multiply the above rhetorical tactics, madam, by the fact that you host one of the cluster of sites that harbours the set of abusive stalkers that are currently at their fell work.

Then, you may begin to understand that I take a dim view indeed of such enabling tactics above and elsewhere.

Good day, madam.

KF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....7305CBs

Shortly followed by:
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unwilling participant April 24, 2015 at 2:09 pm
KF: “EL…Now, multiply the above rhetorical tactics, madam, by the fact that you host one of the cluster of sites that harbours the set of abusive stalkers that are currently at their fell work.

Then, you may begin to understand that I take a dim view indeed of such enabling tactics above and elsewhere.

Good day, madam.”

KF, I am a little confused as to where this uncalled for rant came from. Elizabeth has been nothing but polite and fair in her comments on this thread yet you unjustly attack her in this manner. You demand respect and good behaviour from others but why should they give this to you when they see you make unfounded statements like this?

Date: 2015/04/24 21:04:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I am conducting a little social experiment over at UD. As an ID opponent I have been repeatedly banned for politely and logically disagreeing with Barry and Gordon. I now want to see how long I will last disagreeing with Barry and Gordon but being a supporter of ID.

I really must get a hobby.

Date: 2015/04/25 10:12:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2015,09:38)
Quote (socle @ April 25 2015,09:25)
Is there some reason you are posting names of KF's family members?

Yeah. Let's not do that. He's an odious windbag, but let's leave his family out of this.

I have to agree. Don't give him any justification for his paranoia. All you have to do is look at his reaction to Elizabeth commenting at UD to know that he has gone off the deep end. But if there is even the slightest bit of truth that his family has been harassed, or that lies have been spread about him, that is completely unacceptable.

Date: 2015/04/25 10:28:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
After Gordo personally attacks Elizabeth, he berates Joe for calling her old and insane.
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175
kairosfocusApril 25, 2015 at 9:15 am
Joe, Pardon, I think you have gone too far, slipped off the wagon. Please, get back up on it. KF

And the sad thing is that he does not see his own hipocrisy.

Date: 2015/04/25 12:24:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ April 25 2015,12:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2015,09:44)
I can't see how finding out facts about his family or knowing intimate  facts about his life help you. For fucks sake please don't fuel his persecution complex.

Of course you and others here have never fueled his persecution complex, eh? Nah, you're all perfect little angels who would never do such a horrible thing.

I don't think that anyone is saying that. I for one take a perverse pleasure in pushing his buttons to see how he will react. In fact I am currently doing this at UD. But the difference is in the technique used to push his buttons.

I like to point out his hypocrisies and other inconsistencies in his arguments. Or I will criticize his pompous/condescending tone and incoherent prose. And I have, on occasion, used his real name, but that is only after he has outed somebody else. But at no time would I include any comments about his family or personal life that I would have to go to other sites to find. That, by definition, is stalking.

Date: 2015/04/25 15:15:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I wonder if Barry had an off-line talk with Gordo about his repeated accusation of stalking against Elizabeth Liddle. All of a sudden he stopped commenting on that thread. Or maybe Barry is finally taking his moderator role seriously and deleting libellous comments.

Date: 2015/04/25 15:40:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 25 2015,15:15)
I wonder if Barry had an off-line talk with Gordo about his repeated accusation of stalking against Elizabeth Liddle. All of a sudden he stopped commenting on that thread. Or maybe Barry is finally taking his moderator role seriously and deleting libellous comments.

I guess I spoke too soon.
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kairosfocusApril 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm
EL, pardon, but maybe you have forgotten the vampire clergyman caricature video associating that distorted image with war mongering and promoting genocide that I critiqued three years ago; where you joined others in a dismissive chorus to pooh-pooh the concept that this was in context an outrageous and blatant scapegoating, slanderous stereotype? This exact case was used to try to attack me locally, and became a part of a much wider and nastier tort. As I have pointed out over several years now, you have provided seemingly respectable cover for things you would not believe could be done; I won’t bother to give specific historical antecedents as they would predictably be twisted by the unhinged. In this case, I am dealing with stalking that looks a lot like it now has an on the ground component that if I were the worrying kind, would have me in a panic, stalking joined to outing that tries to paint me as an abuser, fraud and consorter with criminals of the worst sort. This, in the context where I am dealing with a slanderous abuse of privilege case.Where, in a 24 hour window I have faced what my experience of trained agitators and their shennanigans tells me looks a whole lot like a 1-2 punch game, and in any case has to be treated as such. So, please just back off on the apparent turnabout accusation attempt; right now I do not have the option or inclination to let things pass. Not when I have had to be dealing with apparent on the ground stalking and defamation that is now spreading to remotely connected people, not just my immediate family. Including, for instance a rehabilitated murderer out on parole after over 25 years in gaol and coming within an ace of being the last murderer executed in this territory . . . they were literally practicing with the assembled gallows outside his cell window when a man of God told him no, God would give him a second chance. The order of cessation came through and as he told me, that had a transformational impact on his life. The jokers playing with spreading lies and using sites such as yours and those you have participated in as cover, need to understand what such accusations motivated by their uncalled for hostility could do to such a man who for life has to meet with a parole officer on a regular basis. And that is just one facet of this dirty situation. As I have pointed out to you and others freedom of speech is not a license to slander, and harbouring or associating with those who slander like this and stalk like this online and now apparently beyond that, is enabling behaviour. I warned you years ago, more than once but you brushed it aside. Now, it is escalating and with all due respect, you and others have some serious explaining and correcting to do given what is going on and the 1-2 punch timing I can see. KF

Date: 2015/04/25 15:43:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 25 2015,15:40)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 25 2015,15:15)
I wonder if Barry had an off-line talk with Gordo about his repeated accusation of stalking against Elizabeth Liddle. All of a sudden he stopped commenting on that thread. Or maybe Barry is finally taking his moderator role seriously and deleting libellous comments.

I guess I spoke too soon.
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kairosfocusApril 25, 2015 at 2:18 pm
EL, pardon, but maybe you have forgotten the vampire clergyman caricature video associating that distorted image with war mongering and promoting genocide that I critiqued three years ago; where you joined others in a dismissive chorus to pooh-pooh the concept that this was in context an outrageous and blatant scapegoating, slanderous stereotype? This exact case was used to try to attack me locally, and became a part of a much wider and nastier tort. As I have pointed out over several years now, you have provided seemingly respectable cover for things you would not believe could be done; I won’t bother to give specific historical antecedents as they would predictably be twisted by the unhinged. In this case, I am dealing with stalking that looks a lot like it now has an on the ground component that if I were the worrying kind, would have me in a panic, stalking joined to outing that tries to paint me as an abuser, fraud and consorter with criminals of the worst sort. This, in the context where I am dealing with a slanderous abuse of privilege case.Where, in a 24 hour window I have faced what my experience of trained agitators and their shennanigans tells me looks a whole lot like a 1-2 punch game, and in any case has to be treated as such. So, please just back off on the apparent turnabout accusation attempt; right now I do not have the option or inclination to let things pass. Not when I have had to be dealing with apparent on the ground stalking and defamation that is now spreading to remotely connected people, not just my immediate family. Including, for instance a rehabilitated murderer out on parole after over 25 years in gaol and coming within an ace of being the last murderer executed in this territory . . . they were literally practicing with the assembled gallows outside his cell window when a man of God told him no, God would give him a second chance. The order of cessation came through and as he told me, that had a transformational impact on his life. The jokers playing with spreading lies and using sites such as yours and those you have participated in as cover, need to understand what such accusations motivated by their uncalled for hostility could do to such a man who for life has to meet with a parole officer on a regular basis. And that is just one facet of this dirty situation. As I have pointed out to you and others freedom of speech is not a license to slander, and harbouring or associating with those who slander like this and stalk like this online and now apparently beyond that, is enabling behaviour. I warned you years ago, more than once but you brushed it aside. Now, it is escalating and with all due respect, you and others have some serious explaining and correcting to do given what is going on and the 1-2 punch timing I can see. KF

And the OP author steps to plate and spanks Gord.
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Aurelio SmithApril 25, 2015 at 2:30 pm
@ KF

I consider your comments no’s 5, 19, 21, 35, 39, 82, 85, 92, 126, 129, 138, 141, 142, 145, 146, 147, 152, 172, 184, 189, 196, 201, 207, 211 as unresponsive to the OP so I won’t be responding to them.

92, 126 and 129 especially make me inclined to back away slowly.

Surely you could address these matters of persecution and paranoia in another thread.

Date: 2015/04/25 18:37:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Texas Teach @ April 25 2015,18:07)
Quote (Woodbine @ April 25 2015,17:45)
Presumably 'tort' was word of the day in yesterday's Montserrat Gazette.

Imagine the fun that could be had by planting words for KF to happen upon.

Like "lie". Then he can stop using "a blatant disregard to truth".

Date: 2015/04/25 23:16:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 25 2015,21:12)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2015,18:59)
TWT, I wouldn't worry what KF says about you. He's just an idiot at the potty-party. You are allowed to laugh, though.

I wouldn't know what KF says about me, because i don't read his twaddle. He hasn't changed his spiel in 10 years.

Right now KF probably wants to kill me for calling attention to his recent paranoid rants against Elizabeth Liddle. But I will still sleep well tonight.

Date: 2015/04/26 09:27:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 26 2015,01:41)
Quote (sparc @ April 26 2015,01:08)
Quote (Learned Hand @ April 25 2015,23:48)

I’m also baffled at what “a tort that took advantage of parliamentary immunity” is.
You'll find his personal views on this issue at The Montserrat Reporter online.

This thread was in the comments:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....-417376

KF is unhinged, and lacks any sort of self awareness.

He even starts his victimization article with a paraphrase of Rosevelt's speech when he announced that the US was at war with Japan.

If I can interpret this little rant, he was furious that a member of parliament was questioning the sole sourcing of contracts by the government and used Gordo's name as one of the sole source contracts. How this would be considered libellous I don't know. I assume that awarded contracts are part of the public record.

Date: 2015/04/26 09:32:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ April 26 2015,02:14)
Oh god, I forgot about the sustaing spittle-flinging freakout over the vampire thing. An image in a music video or something? He does have a signature style. I'd love to see his take on rock 'n roll generally.

Onlookers, pardon the need for a much-needed and unfortunately necessary digression that is needed at this time to point out an unnecessary but unfortunately prevalent trend that is creeping up on and beginning, with evident malice aforethought, to poison the youth of today. The musical stylings of antiquity, indeed going so far back as Pythagoras and the "music of the spheres" as a prelude to music as commonly thought of by the great minds of our culture and their preference for largely liturgical music in opposition to more immediately gratifying but ultimately toxic aural indulgences, were highly rooted in what can be thought of as the best of moral, mental, and spiritual practices (as can be seen and distinguished from those practices of Soviet Communist musicians and politicians, even those who profess an attachment, however discreditable, to more traditional (some would say classical) music) that nourished the mind and soul in the finest Christian tradition. Now, though, I see young people being captured by an insidious type of "music" that is designed, with every indication of this design being as deliberate, intentional, and intelligent as the design behind a Fishfiddler 2000™ hyper-accurate alloy bearing long-throw light-weight rotary-bearing hand-forged fly reel with a compass in the stock or indeed even the design behind the divine creation of man himself, although obviously without implying that this musical creation is divine, to ensnare teen-agers with beats that go far beyond their capacity to appreciate or tolerate. These beats are so beyond the pale, so Alinskyite and Marxist in nature, that they are DELIBERATELY TIED TO THE MOTION OF A MAN'S HIPS in a way that is indisputable intended to generate lascivious thoughts in any and all who view such lewd performances. And because these performances are performed in performance halls and such like venues as concert halls, music halls, and even opera halls and therefore may be not infrequently transmitted by satellite, ironically through the non-material and divine heavens, even respectable church-going men may be obligated from time to time to view such performances, or even to scrutinize them carefully over a period of hours to carefully chart the precise gyrations and the implications such gyrations have to vulcanistics and island parliamentary torts that cannot be said to be unconnected to such material twists and shouts (the evo-mat premise to the contrary being thoroughly discredited by Lewontin, as described above and elsewhere and forever). Please look to your music and note that you have been duly warned that it is unacceptable and full to overflowing with poisonous rhetoric that is unhinged and unsafe and can no longer be tolerated lest necessary corrective action be taken against all those who would seek to control their neighbors' choice of music. BYDAND.

Oh my god! KairosFocus is just a sock puppet for Learned Hand.

Date: 2015/04/26 11:52:58, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ April 26 2015,11:31)
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Predictable atmosphere-poisoning turnabout accusation to distract attention from the indefensible.


Best said with a Dalek voice.

Actually all of Gordo's incoherent ranting a can be summarized in the immortal words of the Borg:

"Resistance is futile".

Date: 2015/04/26 22:42:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry is again resorting to inserting comments into other people's comments. And this isn't even in one of his OPs. In this case it is in one of Elizabeth Liddle's comments. Comment 407.

Can a banination be far off?

Date: 2015/04/27 14:18:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 27 2015,11:11)
Quote (JohnW @ April 27 2015,11:00)
Truthbringer is going out in a blaze of glory.  Reproduced in full before it gets Barryfied:
   
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I have tried to be only slightly involved in this thread but now I feel that I must say more. As I said before, kairosfocus’s attitude and behavior are deplorable but just as deplorable are the enabling and encouragement of his attitude and behavior by other IDers including Barry Arrington, the “President” of this hate-site. kairosfocus’s rants and accusations in this thread and many others are unsubstantiated, hateful, irrelevant, distractive, libelous, and hypocritical, yet not even one other IDer has asked him for any evidence that explains and supports his numerous hateful accusations, let alone convincing and complete evidence, and that goes to the core of what is wrong with the members of the ID agenda. Unsubstantiated, erroneous assertions and accusations are constantly put forth, automatically accepted, angrily defended, and zealously promoted by IDers. Virtually nothing is questioned, challenged, chastised, or deleted no matter how outrageous it is, as long as it is asserted by another IDer.

Whether it is kairosfocus’s unhinged tirades, the rudeness and crudeness of Joe-Mung-Mapou (Are they the same person?) and other IDers, the spam tsunamis by bornagain77, the TLDR speeches by vjtorley, the constant attacks by all IDers on materialists, atheists, evolutionists, Darwinists, naturalists and other labels that are applied to the opposition (usually inaccurately), the claims by IDers that evolution didn’t and can’t do this or that, the endless repetition of thoroughly refuted claims, or the censorship on this site, ENV and others, ALL of it is just unsubstantiated assertions, pseudo science, self-righteous sermons, religious proselytizing, diversionary tactics, and malicious accusations, and none of it provides any positive, scientific evidence to support what IDers actually believe and are dishonestly trying (unsuccessfully) to hide behind a mask of sciency sounding nonsense, and of course that belief is that a supernatural being they call “God” created and manipulates everything or most things (whichever is convenient for their assertions at the time).

The lack of honesty, integrity, rationality, courage, decency, and self-awareness in IDers never ceases to amaze me. For speaking out I will very likely be banned and then called a coward and other derogatory names for not responding, as that is the typical modus operandi for this site. In a fair fight you IDers don’t have a chance and you know it.

Truthbringer is almost certainly TheWholeTruth from ATBC. The guy may be pro-science but he also has pretty severe psychological issues, especially with his anger and his obsession with KF.

Given this follow-up post, I have to agree with you. Is it possible that THT has as big a persecution complex as Gordo?
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kf, you’re full of it. You’ve got NOTHING to report to “the local authorities” or any other “authorities”. You’re just making up all of your malicious accusations and you know it, I know it, and lots of other people know it.

Didn’t the “President” of this hate-site recently say that assertions aren’t evidence? All you’ve got are assertions, Gordon, and they’re all lies. They’re just a part of the childish professional victim game you play to make it look as though you’re a persecuted messiah like the imaginary character jesus. You poor thing. LOL

Your cowardly leader, “President” Arrington, deleted my last comment and others will likely soon follow. Why are you IDers such cowards? You’re terrified to face reality out in the open. You obviously believe that you’re winning some sort of victory here in your sanctuarial echo chamber but you’re just making fools of yourselves and showing the “onlookers” how corrupt and gutless you are.

Now, Gordon, go and type several thousand more words filled with lies and FIASCO gibberish, and convince yourself that you’re a super hero. I’ll be laughing my ass off.

Gordon Mullings is a pompous, self-important, arrogant, ego-maniac. But he is basically harmless. The only people that take him seriously (but maybe they don't either) are the geniuses at UD. But this sort of attack goes beyond the pale.

Date: 2015/04/27 20:03:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Who would have thought that calling Barry a pompous arrogant buffoon would get you banned from UD? So much for my social experiment.

Date: 2015/04/27 21:05:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (GinoB @ April 27 2015,20:48)
Banny Arrogant with his latest "gotcha" challenge:

   
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I have a question for non-ID proponents only and it is very simple: Is there even one tenant of modern evolutionary theory that is universally agreed upon by the proponents of modern evolutionary theory

Oooh!  Oooh!  Pick me!  Pick me!

How about "humans and chimps share a common ancestor"?  :)

This is an easy question for Banny to ask. He bans every ID opponent and then limits the question to ID opponents. Crickets. Crickets. Crickets.

Date: 2015/04/28 18:13:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
The Whole Truth:
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kairosfocus, I see that you still haven’t provided any evidence to support your accusations and that you’re still dishing out and magnifying your libelous lies and false accusations, including this one: “trumpeting of remote connexions not accessible online indicates likely on the ground stalking”.

Mr. Arrington and other IDers, are you interested in the truth? Are you interested in whether Gordon Mullings (kairosfocus) can support his accusations? Are you interested in finding out if you’re enabling and encouraging ridiculous, libelous accusations? Are you interested in whether Gordon is bluffing and blustering?...


And he goes on.

What is interesting is that Barry, for whatever reason, is allowing TWT to continue posting his hate filled nonsense against Mullings, but bans someone who is critical of his (Barry's) behaviour. Or, maybe, it's not strange at all.

Date: 2015/04/28 21:38:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 28 2015,20:37)
I know they're all single digit IQ nitwits over at the Dense Farm but you'd still think one of them would tell attention whore Joke Gallien to STFU with his "there is no theory of evolution".  Especially in thread started by their Fearless Leader specifically asking about modern evolutionary theory.

But it is a change from his "natural selection is impotent" or "unguided evolution can't get past prokaryotes, given prokaryotes as the starting point" lines.

Date: 2015/04/29 10:34:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
When a comment starts with these words, my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment:
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Take an Abu 6500 C3 reel, i/l/o its FSCO/I....

Date: 2015/04/30 15:36:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
The Whole Truth (Truth Bringer, Creodont) has gone ballistic at TSZ and is now only the second person to have his posting privileges suspended.  Here is the first paragraph of his rant against a comment that Barry was justified in banning Truth Bringer in response to his uncalled for rant against Gordo.
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Acartia,

“…Truth Bringer, who deserved to be banned).”

Oh really?

I’m truthbringer.

So, two-faced backstabber, I deserved to be banned for defending myself and others against [redacted AF]’ lies and false accusations? It’s pretty funny that you’re bitching to mung about [redacted AF]’ unsubstantiated accusations against Elizabeth Liddle, and arrington ignoring the accusations, and arrington banning Piotr for speaking up, yet my speaking up and challenging [redacted AF] and arrington deserved my being banned? You’re fucked up.


He goes on complaining about both TSZ and AtBC. This comment was moved to Quano.

Date: 2015/04/30 16:23:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 30 2015,15:53)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 30 2015,15:36)
The Whole Truth (Truth Bringer, Creodont) has gone ballistic at TSZ and is now only the second person to have his posting privileges suspended.  Here is the first paragraph of his rant against a comment that Barry was justified in banning Truth Bringer in response to his uncalled for rant against Gordo.
   
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Acartia,

“…Truth Bringer, who deserved to be banned).”

Oh really?

I’m truthbringer.

So, two-faced backstabber, I deserved to be banned for defending myself and others against [redacted AF]’ lies and false accusations? It’s pretty funny that you’re bitching to mung about [redacted AF]’ unsubstantiated accusations against Elizabeth Liddle, and arrington ignoring the accusations, and arrington banning Piotr for speaking up, yet my speaking up and challenging [redacted AF] and arrington deserved my being banned? You’re fucked up.


He goes on complaining about both TSZ and AtBC. This comment was moved to Quano.

I hope the guy gets some professional help.  He obviously has issues that go way beyond any E/C discussions.

I agree. We all get upset and frustrated at times with Gordo. I have even regretted some of my comments responding to his nonsense. But TWT's response is bordering on an obsession. But, here's wishing him well.

Date: 2015/05/02 09:26:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (fnxtr @ May 01 2015,19:40)
Quote (JohnW @ May 01 2015,09:36)
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Quote (Richardthughes @ April 29 2015,14:54)
The Lulz on that thread get better. Go on, give him the traffic.

Oooh! A new Word O'The Week!
   
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And Richie, evolutionism cannot be operationalized. It has nothing and that is why you can't answer any questions about it.

   
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And BTW, asshole. "operationalize" also means "to make operational".

 
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You din't realize that information already has a way to be measured and you didn't realize that "operationalize" has differing and relevant definitions.

Joe, what are the entailments of operationalizing?

Nearly there!  He managed to get the last two Words O'The Week into the same post:
 
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And something else tat is very strange- Evos, if they had something, wouldn’t bother with Winston’s paper nor response. They would just present the evidence that demonstrates the power of unguided evolution. They would show us how it is operationalized. They would show us its entailments and its power. They would model it.

What word are you planning to teach him next, Rich?  I suggest "plasticity" or "microbiome".

or "cromulent"...

"Civility" might be a good word to teach him. But I am afraid that we will have a very hard time teaching him this one.

Date: 2015/05/02 22:07:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordo is always defending Joe so I guess that Joe felt it necessary to defend Gordo. And the most unprecidented thing is that Gordo is being bitch slapped by another IDist.
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Winston Ewert wrote:
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I was under the impression that you were trying to do something more novel then applying an acronym to the ideas of other people.

I was under the impression that he was trying to further develop the ideas of other people such that a wider audience can understand and appreciate them. And the acronym just further specified the subset of CSI- Dembski’s CSI.

Date: 2015/05/02 22:12:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 02 2015,22:07)
Gordo is always defending Joe so I guess that Joe felt it necessary to defend Gordo. And the most unprecidented thing is that Gordo is being bitch slapped by another IDist.
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Winston Ewert wrote:
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I was under the impression that you were trying to do something more novel then applying an acronym to the ideas of other people.

I was under the impression that he was trying to further develop the ideas of other people such that a wider audience can understand and appreciate them. And the acronym just further specified the subset of CSI- Dembski’s CSI.

And Winston's response to Joe.
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Perhaps, I really haven’t followed FSCO/I enough to know. My only thought is that if it is a worthwhile development, I’d really like to see it published in a paper or conference.

I get the feeling that Winston has to use for Gordo. Maybe there is hope for ID after all.

Date: 2015/05/04 15:59:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry:
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EL @ 82: Now you have gone into full “blah blah blah blah” mode. I have learned that when you do that and steadfastly refuse to even address, far less answer, the question under discussion, there is no point in continuing the conversation. Peace.

Let me translate:
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I don't have a logical and coherent response so I declare your arguments "blah,blah, blah, blah" claim victory.

Date: 2015/05/06 13:55:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ May 06 2015,11:48)
Quote (Woodbine @ May 06 2015,09:07)
Isn't 'Natural Law' just a) a euphemism for secular Catholicism and b) the naturalistic fallacy writ large?

Natural Law is what I say it is.  My beliefs and attitudes are the only ones justifiable by Natural Law, which is eternal and universal.  I know that other people, in other times and places, have had different interpretations of Natural Law.  But those people are at worst, evil; and at best, failed attempts at being me.

Barry is up to his old tricks of providing rebuttal within another person's comment.
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UDEditors: YM’s comment and our rebuttal (in bold) are combined here:

Homosexuality is neither good nor bad, moral nor immoral. It just is.

UD: Yes, if you mean the disposition to homosexuality. No, if you mean homosexual behavior, for the reasons set forth @ 4, which you do not even address, far less rebut

Whether or not it has a genetic link is immaterial.

UD: Agreed, for the reasons set forth in @ 4.

The only thing that we know for sure that in manifests itself very early in life.

UD: Which, for the reasons set forth @ 4, is also immaterial.

For the same reason, same sex marriage is also neither moral nor immoral.

UD: No, for the reasons set forth @ 4 — YM, you are very long on bare assertion; very short on rational argument.

It is just a formal commitment between two individuals, every bit as valid and meaningful as a marriage between an opposite sex couple.

UD: YM, you should note this very carefully, because you seem to have a problem with it. Merely asserting a conclusion is not an argument.

The opposition to SSM takes one of two forms. By far the biggest is a religious objection, which the natural law argument is a category of,

UD: Obviously; blatantly; glaringly wrong. See comment 4. Which religion was Aristotle pushing when he condemned homosexuality on the basis of pure reason?

and the objection because it makes people uncomfortable.

UD: People are made uncomfortable by it because it is ontologically disordered; but the logical objection stems from the latter, not the former.

Canada has had same sex marriage for ten years and none of the warned consequences have come true. It hasn’t weakened the institution of marriage. It hasn’t led to multiple person marriage or human animal marriages.

UD: Ten whole years! Well, I guess that settles it. Again, beside the point for the reasons set forth in comments 4. Also, for the reasons set forth @ 7, Canada most certainly has not had same-sex marriage for ten years for the same reason that Canada has not had (and never will have) square circles.

Their activities do not harm anyone or anything, other that puritanical sensitivities. But much the same arguments that have been used to oppose SSM were also used to oppose inter-faith marriages and inter-racial marriages. .

UD: Your argument here seems to be: People were wrong about other things; therefore they are wrong about this thing. Look up “non sequitur” and you will see why this argument does not work. And yes, their behavior does harm; anytime a person acts in a way contrary to human nature he has done harm because he has acted in a way contrary to the good. Your “harm” argument also fails for the reasons set forth in the addendum to the OP. Finally, those who opposed inter-faith and inter-racial marriages did not make Aristotelian arguments (or if they did they were wrong to do so).

Barry really doesn't like same sex marriage.

Date: 2015/05/06 18:31:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ May 06 2015,17:09)
Barry Arrington @ 7:51 a.m.: "Human beings come in two essential varieties (male and female) and it is blindingly obvious that those two varieties are mutually complementary. Thus, heterosexual conduct conforms to the essence of what it means to be human in a way that homosexual conduct does not."

Barry Arrington @ 11:55 a.m.: "YM, you are very long on bare assertion; very short on rational argument. . . . YM, you should note this very carefully, because you seem to have a problem with it. Merely asserting a conclusion is not an argument."

Onlookers, we have achieved minimum self-awareness.

If Barry ever lets YM out of moderation limbo, he might respond.

Date: 2015/05/06 21:48:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
The signature response by Barry to anything that he can't respond to.
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You say you don’t understand the point. Either you are an outrageous liar or incredibly stupid. Charity compels me to assume the latter. Either way, however, continuing the discussion with you is pointless.

Date: 2015/05/06 22:06:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 06 2015,21:52)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 06 2015,21:48)
The signature response by Barry to anything that he can't respond to.
   
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You say you don’t understand the point. Either you are an outrageous liar or incredibly stupid. Charity compels me to assume the latter. Either way, however, continuing the discussion with you is pointless.

You have to admit it's been quite entertaining watching Barry come up with so many different ways to say "I'm an asshole".  :)

And it is child's play to manipulate him into doing it. This last one was just not a challenge.

Date: 2015/05/06 23:08:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (fnxtr @ May 06 2015,22:24)
If I had the inclination to waste photons over there, I'd ask what they make of my friend with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.  She* had testes where her ovaries were supposed to be, a vagina but no uterus. Is she a boy or a girl?

*for simplicity.

Anybody who doesn't conform to their idea of "normal" is either disordered, immoral, delusional or possessed. I am Gerry happy to say that I do not conform to their idea of "normal". Especially if people like Barry, Gordon Mullings, Louis and Joe are what they consider "normal.

Date: 2015/05/06 23:10:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 06 2015,22:06)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 06 2015,21:52)
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The signature response by Barry to anything that he can't respond to.
   
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You say you don’t understand the point. Either you are an outrageous liar or incredibly stupid. Charity compels me to assume the latter. Either way, however, continuing the discussion with you is pointless.

You have to admit it's been quite entertaining watching Barry come up with so many different ways to say "I'm an asshole".  :)

And it is child's play to manipulate him into doing it. This last one was just not a challenge.

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So far you have called me a liar, stupid and an idiot. My father once told me that name calling is the fall back position for people who can’t defend their position, have no imagination, or are assholes. Being a generous soul, I will let you pick.

Bannination in 10, 9, 8....

Date: 2015/05/08 08:46:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 07 2015,21:11)
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35)
Duh!  Just Duh!      
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In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here:

Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils.

Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful.
Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain!

Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again.

Gawddamn.  I've read some stupid things from the YEC/IDiot camp over the years but that's in a class by itself.   :O

Does this mean that Barry doesn't believe in the flying priest?

Date: 2015/05/08 09:21:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
A get out of UD free card to anyone who can identify the problem with this comment by Barry.
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Wow Starbuck. Where did you acquire the Marvel comics-like superpower of trolling through the internet and pronouncing arguments “stupid” and “false” as if that settles the matter without the slightest nod toward an argument to support your assertion. Were you bitten by a radioactive slug? Can slugs bite? Do you always have this power or do you have to go through a painful Hulk-like metamorphosis?

Date: 2015/05/08 09:27:25, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 08 2015,02:47)
While there are threads at UD mentioning a poster going by the name of Aurelio Smith, there is now not a single trace of any comment. Must be a glitch.

Yes.  That glitche's name is Barry Arrington.

Even the OP with Aurelio's name in the title no longer has comments by Aurelio. How strange.

Date: 2015/05/08 12:22:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted.


Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation?

Date: 2015/05/08 15:11:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 08 2015,14:59)
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Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted.


Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation?


I guess it's about as likely as this comment seeing the light of day.

I get the feeling that Barry has placed all ID opponents on moderation so that he will receive no negative comments. It must be sad to be so insecure.

Date: 2015/05/10 12:24:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ May 10 2015,10:34)
At UD, two authors have mentioned that they have discovered what it takes to get rejected by Bio-Complexity.

Their demonstration that Star Trek episodes=God in 3 persons is truly peerless.

http://vixra.org/pdf........3v1.pdf

There is an online petition here:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petitio....freedom

I think the authors could use hundreds of signatures demonstrating Bio-complexity limits the academic freedom of others.

I just signed.

Date: 2015/05/10 12:30:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry has obviously hired a publicist to get accross the idea that he has a sense of humour.
HaHaHa
I found it funny. I wonder who is his ghost writer.

Date: 2015/05/10 13:36:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry has posted another Darwinian Debating Device. Number 18 (but I thought he was already at 18).

Blahblahblag

He should probably change the title of the series to If You Can't Beat Them On Logic, Declare One of These And Claim Victory.

Date: 2015/05/10 15:54:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Eigenstate at UD:
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Also, will someone comment on the disappearance of all of Aurelio Smith’s posts? I guess I can conceive of some highly unusual accident resulting in the deletion of his user account and therefore all of his posts. But given the empirical evidence gathered over several years on this blog, it’s impossible to avoid the suspicion that this is yet another case of administrative abuse on this forum. If it was an accident, I guess I’d expect there to be some acknowledgment of that.

This one isn't disappearing as Barry thought it would. Keep Banning, Barry. It is the only way to hide from yourself.

Date: 2015/05/11 15:43:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry:
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I will never admit I was wrong to do what I did...


OK, I admit that it is an out of context quote mine, but I think that it describes Barry quite well.

Date: 2015/05/12 23:10:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2015,21:45)
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Banny A. is huffing and puffing about the immaterial "mind" again.  Eigenstate is making Banny look really bad and getting fed up with Banny's constant evasions.  Finally the frustration shows.
   
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eigenstate May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm

Well, at this point, it’s hard to see this anything but just stupidity on your part being the problem, Barry. I don’t say that very often, online, because I don’t think it’s true but in the most rare cases. But here I can’t see any other explanation.

Look for this message to vanish any minute along with Eigenstate's posting privileges.

Barry is getting the proverbial seven sorts of shit knocked out of him by eigenstate.  Enjoy it while it lasts!

Come, bathe with me in Barry's tears!

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Barry ArringtonMay 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm
E @ 73: I guess we can add “patronizing bastard” to “asshat.”

Do you think that Barry will pull an Aurelio Smith with Eigenstate?  Eigenstate has certainly been walking all over Barry's arguments.

Date: 2015/05/19 17:45:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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LM, cart before horse [cf 221 just above: http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-565596/....-565596 and onward 163 further above as linked], and in a context that given your rhetoric of contempt and taunting terms as you have repeatedly used here and elsewhere, points to red herrings led away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems to be set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere.

No comment required

Date: 2015/05/19 17:50:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I am pretty sure that red herrings soaked in ad hominems is the national dish of Norway.

Date: 2015/05/20 10:49:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings:
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As it turns out, I have taught the UK/Caribbean equivalent of a critical thinking etc course, the A Level General Studies/Paper.

I almost peed myself laughing.

Date: 2015/05/20 17:54:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ May 20 2015,17:03)
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Larry MoranMay 20, 2015 at 9:14 am
soundburger at #251 says,

For example, if a student came up to a professor in such a course, saying that he liked a certain writer, and it was revealed that the writer used juvenile put downs (such as IDiot), and numerous charges of stupidity, etc, toward those he disagreed with, what would a GOOD Critical Thinking prof do?


I’ll tell you what I do. Maybe that will help.

I would point out that there’s a difference between critical thinking and rhetorical devices. In order to survive in the real world you have to learn about both. Critical thinking involves making sure you understand sound logic and the facts.

How you deliver that information effectively in a modern society often involves additional skills.

We use Jonathan Wells’ book Icons of Evolution as an example. We learn that his put down of evolutionary biologists by charging them with stupidity is a very effective strategy for his audience. We learn that the creationists, in general, are very good at this sort of thing and it works.

I show them that if you want to really engage in a debate then it’s pretty ineffective to just rely on evidence and critical thinking. No politician will ever do this. Sometimes you have to be provocative and annoying in order to attract attention and get your message out. That’s how the real world works.

For example, many evolutionary biologist have written about random genetic drift, Neutral Theory, etc. etc. but they have been ignored. As soon as I start calling ID proponents IDiots I get an entire thread with my name on it and I get a chance to actually educate some of them.



Until Barry Arrogant thinks that Larry is winning. Then it is to the penalty box for Larry.

But until then, I am enjoying the hell out of this.

Date: 2015/05/25 10:06:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 24 2015,00:19)
Quote (paragwinn @ May 21 2015,17:12)
KevNick Calls Out Dr. Moran:          
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Larry,

I’m challenging you to provide all the scientific evidence for ALL the reasons WHY you became so convinced that life arose by chance. . . .

[snip]

Larry, if you don’t answer this challenge, I will make you pay for it… and I mean it…

KevNick will meet him in the high school parking lot at 3pm.

After Cross, soundburger and Kairosfocus jump on him, KevNick clarifies himself.      
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I meant that if Larry doesn’t respond to the challenge, I will “make him pay” for his arrogance, name calling and lack of respect of others’ views by exposing it (his lack of evidence for the origins of life) on the internet, blogs and such.

Trifle with KevNick and he'll tell the Internet on you.

PLease notice that after KevNick's clarification that he did not intend physical violence, only cyber-stalking, that Gordon (Karoisfocus) Mullings did not chastise him. I guess it is OK to cyber-stalk evilutionists, but not creationists.

Date: 2015/05/25 17:03:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ May 25 2015,15:13)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 25 2015,08:06)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 24 2015,00:19)
 
Quote (paragwinn @ May 21 2015,17:12)
KevNick Calls Out Dr. Moran:            
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Larry,

I’m challenging you to provide all the scientific evidence for ALL the reasons WHY you became so convinced that life arose by chance. . . .

[snip]

Larry, if you don’t answer this challenge, I will make you pay for it… and I mean it…

KevNick will meet him in the high school parking lot at 3pm.

After Cross, soundburger and Kairosfocus jump on him, KevNick clarifies himself.        
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I meant that if Larry doesn’t respond to the challenge, I will “make him pay” for his arprogance, name calling and lack of respect of others’ views by exposing it (his lack of evidence for the origins of life) on the internet, blogs and such.

Trifle with KevNick and he'll tell the Internet on you.

PLease notice that after KevNick's clarification that he did not intend physical violence, only cyber-stalking, that Gordon (Karoisfocus) Mullings did not chastise him. I guess it is OK to cyber-stalk evilutionists, but not creationists.

Read the first three posts, especially the third one down:

http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/....pot....pot.com

TWT, please seek some help. Your obsession with Gordo is distressing.

Date: 2015/05/26 10:15:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ May 26 2015,02:35)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 25 2015,15:03)
Quote (The whole truth @ May 25 2015,15:13)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 25 2015,08:06)
   
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 24 2015,00:19)
   
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KevNick Calls Out Dr. Moran:              
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Larry,

I’m challenging you to provide all the scientific evidence for ALL the reasons WHY you became so convinced that life arose by chance. . . .

[snip]

Larry, if you don’t answer this challenge, I will make you pay for it… and I mean it…

KevNick will meet him in the high school parking lot at 3pm.

After Cross, soundburger and Kairosfocus jump on him, KevNick clarifies himself.          
Quote
I meant that if Larry doesn’t respond to the challenge, I will “make him pay” for his arprogance, name calling and lack of respect of others’ views by exposing it (his lack of evidence for the origins of life) on the internet, blogs and such.

Trifle with KevNick and he'll tell the Internet on you.

PLease notice that after KevNick's clarification that he did not intend physical violence, only cyber-stalking, that Gordon (Karoisfocus) Mullings did not chastise him. I guess it is OK to cyber-stalk evilutionists, but not creationists.

Read the first three posts, especially the third one down:

http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/....pot....pot.com

TWT, please seek some help. Your obsession with Gordo is distressing.

That's pretty funny coming from someone (you) who regularly comments about gordo.

I find Gordo's comments and his pompous arrogance amusing. And when I am permitted to post at UD, I take a pleasure in pushing his buttons. I like to see if I can get him to use <i>strawman, ad hominem, and red herring</i> in the same sentence.

But you seem to take his comments personally, as if he had some sort of negative impact on your life. Gordo likes to think that he is a big fish in a little pond, but he is little more than a piece of algae. Even his fellow IDists (other than Joe) pay him little attention.

Date: 2015/05/30 09:28:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Check out the comment string on this OP.
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings at his pearl clutching best

Date: 2015/05/30 09:31:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 30 2015,09:28)
Check out the comment string on this OP.
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/design-inference/lets-discuss-elizabeth-liddle-i-do-not-think-the-id-case-holds-up-i-think-it-is-undermined

-by-want-of-any-evidence-for-the-putative-designer/]Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings at his pearl clutching best[/URL]

Oops

Date: 2015/05/30 10:26:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon says:
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PPS: FTR, you need to understand that if you and others of your circle choose to go insist on down this path of picking a polarising fight, instead of dealing with the issue, you are sending a message that were I you I would think twice about. Especially when the very fact of picking this thread means you are targetting a victim of cyberstalking and other abusive online behaviour emanating from the circle of sites already pointed out.

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings appears to be saying that Elizabeth Liddle chose to comment on his OP because he is a victim of cyberstalking. Let me remind everyone of the title of the OP that Mullings is assigning malevolence as the motivation for Elizabeth's comments.

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Let’s discuss: >> Elizabeth Liddle: I do not think the ID case holds up. I think it is undermined by [want of . . . ???] any evidence for the putative designer . . . >>


I think that Gordo needs to replace his tinfoil hat.

Date: 2015/05/30 11:12:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 30 2015,10:30)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 30 2015,10:26)
Gordon says:  
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PPS: FTR, you need to understand that if you and others of your circle choose to go insist on down this path of picking a polarising fight, instead of dealing with the issue, you are sending a message that were I you I would think twice about. Especially when the very fact of picking this thread means you are targetting a victim of cyberstalking and other abusive online behaviour emanating from the circle of sites already pointed out.

Gordon KairosFocus Mullings appears to be saying that Elizabeth Liddle chose to comment on his OP because he is a victim of cyberstalking. Let me remind everyone of the title of the OP that Mullings is assigning malevolence as the motivation for Elizabeth's comments.

 
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Let’s discuss: >> Elizabeth Liddle: I do not think the ID case holds up. I think it is undermined by [want of . . . ???] any evidence for the putative designer . . . >>


I think that Gordo needs to replace his tinfoil hat.

Comments closed now, of course.

As predictable as night following day.

Date: 2015/05/31 20:28:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 31 2015,09:05)
Butthurt Kariosflatus has put another long screed at UD, titled in 48 point font.  Nothing that he hasn't posed at least 5 times before, complete with exploded view of fishing reel.  Comments off of course.

Gordo the Manjack Heights mauler, you're a peach!   :p

He has claimed that this will only be one of many upcoming screeds criticizing comments made by Elizabeth Liddle. No doubt with comments closed.

Gordo has a real hate on for Dr. Liddle.

Date: 2015/06/01 21:53:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ June 01 2015,21:35)
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Quote (NoName @ June 01 2015,12:57)
The twin elephants in the ID room are that design by itself is impotent, and manufacture can occur without anything like design.

Oh, that's just two of them. There are more.

Off the top of my head:
- the fact that natural selection can give the appearance of design;
- the failure of the CSI/DFSCI/FIASCO project;
- the gaping hole in the "anything more complicated than this complicated designed thing must be a designed thing" argument.

That's why it's a big tent.  They need room for a lot of elephants.


And clowns. Lots of clowns.

They all fit in one car.

An Austin Mini.

Date: 2015/06/02 09:16:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Dense and Dreary has posted an OP that may qualify as the most stupid thin that she has ever posted (but I stand to be corrected.
Supposed design flaws in the human body

She starts with the one about our pelvis not being well "designed" for giving birth to large brained babies and that this limits the size of the human brain. Her response is priceless.
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Okay, so Big Brains (like a whale?) would be some kind of advantage? No insult intended, but what have whales ever contributed to the stock of science knowledge?

Date: 2015/06/02 10:01:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 02 2015,09:33)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 02 2015,09:16)
Dense and Dreary has posted an OP that may qualify as the most stupid thin that she has ever posted (but I stand to be corrected.
Supposed design flaws in the human body

She starts with the one about our pelvis not being well "designed" for giving birth to large brained babies and that this limits the size of the human brain. Her response is priceless.
   
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Okay, so Big Brains (like a whale?) would be some kind of advantage? No insult intended, but what have whales ever contributed to the stock of science knowledge?

I dunno, her "the gene for selfishness' scored pretty well too.

Here is the Nautilus article she is panning.

Top 10 Design Flaws in the Human Body

Notice she skipped over the tough ones like our designed-for-horizontal-but-is-vertical spine, our crowded mouth with wisdom teeth that can kill us, the recurrent laryngeal nerve, and of course men having exposed testicles. :O

That last one deserves an O'Dreary/UD joke but I can't think of one quickly.

Yes, I would like to have a talk with the "designer" about the whole exposed testicle thing. What was he thinking?

Or maybe we were designed this way to pave the way for America's Funniest Home Videos and Jackass.

Date: 2015/06/04 10:36:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ June 03 2015,17:00)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 03 2015,17:51)
Quote (stevestory @ June 03 2015,13:03)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 03 2015,10:19)
Kariosflatus is now on Part 5 of his spittle flying meltdown / hissy fit at Elizabeth Liddle.  Comments off of course.

You have to wonder why Banny Arrogant allows the waste of bandwidth.  Does anyone even bother to click on his screeds?

Why does barry do any of this?

 
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Why does barry do any of this?


IMHO Barry A. does this because he is a True Believer ™.
1.  He is an ambulance chaser
2.  He is a total asshole.  Anyone that knows him will attest to this.  Even Barry knows this.  
Therefore,
3.  He does the Lies For Jesus ™ thing, aka "ID Science" so he can get some "Heavenly Cred" to make up for points 1 & 2, and  sneak into the Pearly Gates, or get the 72 virgins, whichever he secretly lusts for.

This is just my opinion - your story may differ - but doesn't it Look Designed Just For Barry A?

OT, but that reminds me of the comedian who said, "Who wants 72 virgins anyway? Give me 8 pros from Vegas."

He is at number 6 now. WHEN WILL THE INSANITY END? But at least we get to see another blown-up view of a fishing reel.

Date: 2015/06/04 12:58:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Sean Samis lectures Barry Arrogant on the Constitution and the law.

Barry gets spanked

Date: 2015/06/04 17:39:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 04 2015,17:32)
Quote (stevestory @ June 04 2015,16:51)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 04 2015,13:58)
Sean Samis lectures Barry Arrogant on the Constitution and the law.

Barry gets spanked

     
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sean samisJune 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Eric,

Regarding “a complete lack of understanding of what is required for abiogensis,” and “given the incredibly strict requirements for something like abiogenesis.”

So you claim to know the requirements for a process you probably claim has never even been observed? How remarkable.

Please tell us what these “incredibly strict requirements” are and how anyone knows them given that no one’s ever actually observed the process.

sean s.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....MHg0jjQ

"sean samis is no longer with us"

Not quite yet but it's a lock.   :p  The over / under starts at 2 days.

I don't give him two days. He has questioned Barry's understanding of evolution and of the law. The only two things that Barry claims (without any supporting evidence) to know anything about. I generally get banned in less than a day for questioning only one of these.

Date: 2015/06/04 18:03:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 04 2015,17:50)
This is good too.  On the "Timaeus Exposes Larry Moran" thread several of the IDiots are panning Larry Moran because of his low ratings on ratemyprofessor.com.   Timaeus to his credit has admitted those stats have zero relevance to LM's knowledge of evolutionary biochemistry.  Soundburger doesn't want to let go yet, keeps bringing up the results to prove LM must be incompetent.

How much current relevance does ratemyprofessor's LM rating have?  Out of 26 rating posts there are

1 post from 2015
1 post from 2009
1 post from 2008
23 from 2006 or earlier.

Linky

Pretty much the only type of reviews on RMP are negative ones from kids who failed the course and want to hit back at the professor.  But still UD, bitching about 3 reviews in the last 9 years and only 1 in the last 6?  :D

Given that the moderator at UD is a lawyer, I suggest that you type "ratemylawyer.com" into your URL box. The result might surprise you. Or maybe it won't.

Date: 2015/06/04 18:07:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 04 2015,18:03)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 04 2015,17:50)
This is good too.  On the "Timaeus Exposes Larry Moran" thread several of the IDiots are panning Larry Moran because of his low ratings on ratemyprofessor.com.   Timaeus to his credit has admitted those stats have zero relevance to LM's knowledge of evolutionary biochemistry.  Soundburger doesn't want to let go yet, keeps bringing up the results to prove LM must be incompetent.

How much current relevance does ratemyprofessor's LM rating have?  Out of 26 rating posts there are

1 post from 2015
1 post from 2009
1 post from 2008
23 from 2006 or earlier.

Linky

Pretty much the only type of reviews on RMP are negative ones from kids who failed the course and want to hit back at the professor.  But still UD, bitching about 3 reviews in the last 9 years and only 1 in the last 6?  :D

Given that the moderator at UD is a lawyer, I suggest that you type "ratemylawyer.com" into your URL box. The result might surprise you. Or maybe it won't.

I assure you, it won't.

Date: 2015/06/06 11:17:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings is now up to FYI/FTR #8. The content is of no interest, as is the case with most of his writing, but he included this little bit of paranoia:
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(In addition, I have received a slander-laced remark from one of the denizens of the circle of hostile sites that confirms on the ground stalking and includes implicit threats. Duly shared with appropriate authorities. This sort of uncivil reaction strongly suggests that this series is having an impact.)


Now with Joe being banned, who will defend poor KF?

Date: 2015/06/08 14:09:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ June 08 2015,13:42)
In part 10(!) of his "Elizabeth Liddle Is A Big Smelly Poopyhead" series, He Who Must Not Be Named takes the moral high ground:
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Where, there is more than enough time and opportunity on the Web, to show intent to engage in reasonable discussion, if such is desired instead of the threadjacking stunt that has led me to do a FTR series in response for a little time. (Where, notice, there has been no deletion of comments, no banning of commenters, only my own act to terminate threadjacking and take time, day by day to speak to specific concerns, often by way of reply to talking points that are linked and cited. And, the links to the posts are not changing, I am listing them day by day and citing the list of linked headlines in each onward article.)

Admirable, He Who Must not Be Named.  Admirable.  No deletion of comments, no banning of commenters.  No comments, no commenters.

I'd like to suggest we pass the hat around and get He Who Must Not Be Named a cookie.  We can ask the team of on-the-ground stalkers to deliver it.

I especially like the recipe he posted in the same OP:
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And red herrings dragged away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere are not to be equated to fair critical scrutiny.


This man really needs to seem some help.

Date: 2015/06/08 14:31:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ June 08 2015,14:13)
you couldn't write GEM of TARD as a fictional character. Too unbelievable.

You might be able to do it in a Monty Python plot.

Date: 2015/06/10 17:01:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 10 2015,16:52)
"ID Leader" stands up for his jilted lover:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2015.......ie.html

Do you notice that he is not responding to the questions as to if (and why) he was banned at UD?

Date: 2015/06/10 21:38:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 10 2015,17:03)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 10 2015,17:01)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 10 2015,16:52)
"ID Leader" stands up for his jilted lover:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2015.......ie.html

Do you notice that he is not responding to the questions as to if (and why) he was banned at UD?

Don't worry, John-Paul, Jim and ID Guy haven't! ;)

More words of wisdom from Joe:
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Hey asshole- all the time you and your ilk were there you couldn't manufacture a coherent argument. You have TSZ and you can't manufacture an argument there, either. You come here and again, nothing.

You are all pathetic pieces of shit.

Date: 2015/06/10 22:18:16, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ June 10 2015,22:02)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 10 2015,12:52)
"129
kairosfocus
June 10, 2015 at 11:47 am
Folks, a WP bug, my login expired without notice and a comment vanished. KF"

Read the signs!
The end is nigh!

I suspect an intentional cyber stalking. Probably "on the ground". Enabled by sites like TSZ and its ilk.

By the way. Can someone please tell me what an "ilk" is?

Date: 2015/06/10 22:43:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 10 2015,22:26)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 10 2015,22:18)
Quote (sparc @ June 10 2015,22:02)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 10 2015,12:52)
"129
kairosfocus
June 10, 2015 at 11:47 am
Folks, a WP bug, my login expired without notice and a comment vanished. KF"

Read the signs!
The end is nigh!

I suspect an intentional cyber stalking. Probably "on the ground". Enabled by sites like TSZ and its ilk.

By the way. Can someone please tell me what an "ilk" is?

Any group(s) or entity that doesn't kiss Gordo's ass?

OK. That clears things up.

Date: 2015/06/11 08:51:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (BillB @ June 11 2015,06:18)
Quote (The whole truth @ June 11 2015,07:38)
Hey Seversky

You're not exactly helping your case here - the more you post these hate filled, abusive screeds the easier it is to believe Gordons claims - you are presenting yourself as the kind of person who would actually do what he claims you have done.

Seconded.

Date: 2015/06/12 15:11:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry on VJ Torley's 19,000 word climate change denial tome recently published at UD.
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Dr. Torley, the phrase “tour de force” is overused, but it is entirely appropriate here. Thank you very much for the long hours of work you put in on this impressive piece.


Hmm. A climate science document written by a pH.D in Philosophy, endorsed by a lawyer with a D- rating by the Better Business Bureau... How can the scientists and politicians not take this seriously?

Date: 2015/06/13 21:05:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 13 2015,19:12)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 12 2015,13:00)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ June 12 2015,12:45)
   
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 12 2015,11:05)
   
Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2015,10:32)
       
Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2015,22:49)
Miracles are a Glaring Problem for Evolution, and Here’s Why
June 10, 2015 Posted by Cornelius Hunter under Intelligent Design

That OP is worth printing out in full:        
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A commenterrecently reminded meof one of the many fundamental fallacies of evolutionary thought. When I point out problems with evolution, and make arguments against evolutionary thought, it is not because I am against the idea or want it to be false. Life would be much easier if the evidence simply supported evolution, if evolutionary thought was a stellar example of intellectual progress, if—to put it simply—evolution was an undeniable scientific fact, just as evolutionists insist. But it’s not. Evolution is not any of those. Evolution is not supported by the empirical evidence, it is not a rational, intellectual movement, and it is not a scientific fact, undeniable or otherwise. I’m not grinding a personal ax here, I’m simply pointing out the obvious. It makes no difference to me if evolution is true, false, or somewhere in between. But it does make a difference when we lie to ourselves.

Remember that, you Godless bastards.  It makes no difference to Corny whether evolution is true or false, he just hates lies.

Corny hates lying?  But I guess Corny's old Thalycines = Wolves Lie is OK Because Lying For Jesus™ is ok?

How do you know he's not just that appallingly stupid?

Glen Davidson

Corny is just as lying and dishonest as the rest of the DI's crack anti-evolution team but he's just not very bright.  He sticks his foot in his mouth with surprising regularity.

He generally is much less prone to censorship that UD but that changed over the last year too.  He's banned a few posters and deleted some posts with embarrassing questions he can't answer.  Even on his new "Miracles kill evolution" thread he's accused a pro-science poster of trolling and threatened to ban him.

That OP and its thread weren't a complete waste of time. I got Joe talking about his claim that wavelength = frequency again. It is always entertaining. But I will give him credit. He came up with a new angle.

His initial response was that if he has the wavelength he would know the frequency. So I gave him a wavelength of ten meters and asked for frequency. His response was that HE still didn't have the wavelength, I did.

Date: 2015/06/13 22:34:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 13 2015,21:30)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 13 2015,21:05)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 13 2015,19:12)
 
Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 12 2015,13:00)
   
Quote (J-Dog @ June 12 2015,12:45)
     
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 12 2015,11:05)
     
Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2015,10:32)
         
Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2015,22:49)
Miracles are a Glaring Problem for Evolution, and Here’s Why
June 10, 2015 Posted by Cornelius Hunter under Intelligent Design

That OP is worth printing out in full:          
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A commenterrecently reminded meof one of the many fundamental fallacies of evolutionary thought. When I point out problems with evolution, and make arguments against evolutionary thought, it is not because I am against the idea or want it to be false. Life would be much easier if the evidence simply supported evolution, if evolutionary thought was a stellar example of intellectual progress, if—to put it simply—evolution was an undeniable scientific fact, just as evolutionists insist. But it’s not. Evolution is not any of those. Evolution is not supported by the empirical evidence, it is not a rational, intellectual movement, and it is not a scientific fact, undeniable or otherwise. I’m not grinding a personal ax here, I’m simply pointing out the obvious. It makes no difference to me if evolution is true, false, or somewhere in between. But it does make a difference when we lie to ourselves.

Remember that, you Godless bastards.  It makes no difference to Corny whether evolution is true or false, he just hates lies.

Corny hates lying?  But I guess Corny's old Thalycines = Wolves Lie is OK Because Lying For Jesus™ is ok?

How do you know he's not just that appallingly stupid?

Glen Davidson

Corny is just as lying and dishonest as the rest of the DI's crack anti-evolution team but he's just not very bright.  He sticks his foot in his mouth with surprising regularity.

He generally is much less prone to censorship that UD but that changed over the last year too.  He's banned a few posters and deleted some posts with embarrassing questions he can't answer.  Even on his new "Miracles kill evolution" thread he's accused a pro-science poster of trolling and threatened to ban him.

That OP and its thread weren't a complete waste of time. I got Joe talking about his claim that wavelength = frequency again. It is always entertaining. But I will give him credit. He came up with a new angle.

His initial response was that if he has the wavelength he would know the frequency. So I gave him a wavelength of ten meters and asked for frequency. His response was that HE still didn't have the wavelength, I did.

under his sock ID?

That boy is not the brightest crayon in the 8 pack.

No, it was at Hunter's site, where he still has posting privileges.

Date: 2015/06/15 12:41:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 15 2015,09:18)
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 14 2015,21:21)
Acartia:    
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That OP and its thread weren't a complete waste of time. I got Joe talking about his claim that wavelength = frequency again. It is always entertaining. But I will give him credit. He came up with a new angle.

His initial response was that if he has the wavelength he would know the frequency. So I gave him a wavelength of ten meters and asked for frequency. His response was that HE still didn't have the wavelength, I did.


Joe (on Corny's blog)
   
Quote
You are an imbecile. I don't have the wavelength. If you have the wavelength then use 1/T and you have the frequency. Moron.


Ask him what the period is.  See if his head explodes.

This should be interesting.  Our own resident Mabus borderline psychopath TheWholeTruth has shown up on Corny's blog.  Right out of the gate TWT put up a ten post attack salvo all screaming directly at Chubs.  

I guess we'll find out what Corny's new moderation policy is sooner rather than later.

Link?

Date: 2015/06/15 20:35:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I am worried about Gordon Mullings. He hasn't posted a comment in a couple days. Or, more worryingly, a FYI/FTR. I am wondering if we should call 911 (or the equivalent on the island). After all, he is being stalked by nefarious characters with evil intent.

Or, should I just sit back and crack another beer?  

Beer wins.

Date: 2015/06/15 23:18:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ June 15 2015,22:02)
Can I derail this with some happy news? I just got married. That is all.

(The announcement makes more sense if you've seen the new Mad Max.)

Congrats. Was it "designed", or did it occur naturally?

Date: 2015/06/16 18:10:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I was hoping that Cornelius Hunter would be less slimy than Barry in his moderation. I have been proven wrong. I posted the following:
Quote
"Because the predicted mutation rate, based on the theory of evolution, is a factor of two off from the measured value, whereas evolutionists have assumed much greater accuracy than this."

But the measured rate is based on less than 1% of the time span, and that at one of the extreme ends of the time span.

If you were given the average annual temperature for 2013, 2014 and 2015, would you have confidence in using this to predict the average annual temperature from 2013 to 2313?



He changed it to this:
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"...whereas evolutionists have assumed much greater accuracy than this."

But the measured rate is based on less than 1% of the time span, and that at one of the extreme ends of the time span.

If you were given the average annual temperature for 2013, 2014 and 2015, would you have confidence in using this to predict the average annual temperature from 2013 to 2313?




I changed it again, but I doubt if it will survive.

Date: 2015/06/17 20:03:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (fnxtr @ June 17 2015,19:35)
Quote (Amadan @ June 17 2015,10:22)
You forgot to say that they should do so with their respective spouses spice.

FTFY

and of course, congratulations all.

Coming up on anniversary #1 in August, our own selves.

I find someone who will put up with me, I don't question it. It has been 33+ years.

Date: 2015/06/18 00:01:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ June 17 2015,23:29)
Warm fuzzies all around! Thanks to everyone for the well wishes, and they're well reciprocated. The only thing better than a loving spouse is one who understands and indulges your fascination with irrational creationists (et al).

And they said that atheist marriages would never last.

Date: 2015/06/18 16:54:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Dionesio:
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Axel, scottH, mike1962, ppolish,
agree with your comments about the impacting work BA77 does here:
Providing very interesting information in almost all the discussion threads. I don’t know how he does that. Really impressive.


Discussion at UD must really be suffering if people are reading BA77's comments.

Date: 2015/06/19 10:57:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Turn off your irony meter or risk overload.

The latest OP title by Barry:
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Why Does NBC News Continue to Employ a Known Liar?

Date: 2015/06/22 15:17:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 22 2015,14:50)
Denyse oh Newsy makes a sophisticated case for teaching the bible:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments

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But the Bible makes no such claims for itself. What can the Bible tell us about electrons or amphibians that we would not more practically learn elsewhere?

The real problem with not teaching the Bible anywhere in publicly funded schools is that much of our cultural background is only comprehensible in the light of the Bible, as well as the history of our country(ies).

So we pay a lot of money to turn out illiterates, who morph into low information voters, and then we wonder why they seem so dumb and things go so badly.

I assume that she is speaking about herself.

Date: 2015/06/22 15:22:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05)
Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive!

Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;)

The probability of Joe/Virgil saying anything intelligent = zero.

The probability of Joe/Virgil admitting that he was wrong when he said that wavelength = frequency is zero.

The probability of Joe/Virgil accepting that there actually is a theory of evolution = zero.

The probability of Joe admitting that he is wrong about anything = zero.

Date: 2015/06/23 08:33:11, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,20:25)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 22 2015,17:41)
Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,15:23)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 22 2015,14:57)
 
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Quote (Richardthughes @ June 20 2015,09:52)
     
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6
Virgil Cain
June 20, 2015 at 6:49 am
It looks like the E coli engineered themselves to accompany the new gene. James Shapiro and Lee Spetner must be smiling.


Chubs lets the designer out of the bag: E Coli.

As usual, chubs says whatever he thinks will get himself out of his current losing argument without considering the ramifications.

Well, then who (or what) designed E. coli?

The evolutionary relationships between the two bacteria Escherichia coli and Haemophilus influenzae and their putative last common ancestor

Published in 1998. Surely, someone as well read as Joey would know about that one. Oh yeah, I forgot, he has a reading problem. Poor guy.

Well, Kevin, you don't have a mechanism capable of producing a living organism, so you lose, again. Bacteria evolving into bacteria doesn't help you.

Also there wasn't any losing argument and you don't know anything about ramifications. If you did then you would understand the ramifications of evolutionism.

So please provide the detailed mechanisms of how E. coli designed itself new traits.

With peer-reviewed references to said mechanisms.

Sufficient to show that you really are following the actual science, not just what you wish was true.

Kevin, your position is void of details you imbecile. If you had something then ID would be a non-starter. But you have nothing but whining. It suits you.

Joe finally got something right.  ID is a non-starter.

And yet ID has started and you have nothing to stop it.

With its biggest proponents being a BBB D- rated lawyer, a philosopher, a paranoid engineer from Monserrat and a toaster repairman, I don't think that we have to worry about it being taken seriously by anyone.

Date: 2015/06/23 08:48:36, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joey:
Quote
AGAIN, we do NOT need to know where the materials came from before we can determine if intelligent design exists. We do NOT need to know how the design was implemented before we can determine that intelligent design exists. All of that comes AFTER you ignorant ass.


Finally, Joey admits that nobody has identified design in biological systems. Or have I missed all of that research into the mechanisms of ID that come AFTER determining that Intelligent Design exists. If I have, please point me to a few peer-reviewed papers on the subject.

Date: 2015/06/23 10:07:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,10:01)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 23 2015,08:48)
Joey:  
Quote
AGAIN, we do NOT need to know where the materials came from before we can determine if intelligent design exists. We do NOT need to know how the design was implemented before we can determine that intelligent design exists. All of that comes AFTER you ignorant ass.


Finally, Joey admits that nobody has identified design in biological systems. Or have I missed all of that research into the mechanisms of ID that come AFTER determining that Intelligent Design exists. If I have, please point me to a few peer-reviewed papers on the subject.

We have identified design in biology, moron.

Then where is all this research into the ID mechanisms that can only start AFTER design is detected? Who is doing this research? Where are their peer reviewed papers being published? I'm sure that we would all be very interested in reading them.

Date: 2015/06/23 12:46:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:19)
Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41)
Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18)
(shrug)

Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it.

Now what?

Well now you claim frequency = wavelength
probability of zero is non existant (snikker)
The designer is Allah
ticks are vegetarian
Call everyone a homo HOMO!!

THAT'S WHAT!

Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy.

Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah.

I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed.

Dave, I have already been through this word game with Joey before. Rather than admit that he was in error, he plays with words. But the fact is, he made this claim:

Wavelength = frequency

Which any school kid knows is categorically wrong. Shit, they don't even have the same units.

Date: 2015/06/23 12:48:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:21)
Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)
Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)
 
Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)
 
Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)
   
Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05)
Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive!

Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;)

I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one?

Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"?

Hint: the former.

Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh.

"Between" has a specific meaning.

In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval.

In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells.

That explains why you couldn't figure it out.

If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability?

Yes. Next question.

Date: 2015/06/24 13:15:28, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:07)
I HAVE TO HAVE IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE WAVE AND YOUR SAY-SO IS MEANINGLESS.

How many fucking times do I have to tell you assholes that?

If someone is looking at a wave- at least one complete wave- on an oscilloscope does that person have both the frequency and wavelength right there in that same wave? Yes or no

Joe, your original claim was never that if you HAVE the wavelength, you also have the frequency, which is not true, but we will leave that aside.

Your original claim was much more simple (much like you)

WAVELENGTH = FREQUENCY

Stop trying to change the subject. Be the bigger man and simply admit that you were wrong when you made this claim.

Date: 2015/06/24 14:15:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:45)
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:43)
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,13:35)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,13:33)
 
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,12:00)
   
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 24 2015,11:58)
   
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,11:43)
1/T works, moron, regardless of the medium.

My claim still holds- if I have the wavelength I can derive the frequency. They are two different numerical representations of the SAME wave

And we've already proven, multiple times, that you can't do that.

You are just too arrogant and meglomanical to see it.

What is the frequency of a sound wave with a wavelength of 1 meter?

No, Kevin, you are a moron who couldn't prove anything.

I HAVE TO HAVE THE WAVELENGTH, MORON.

Really?

I gave you the wavelength... 1 meter.

What you HAVE TO HAVE is the velocity of the wave... since you don't you can't derive the frequency and the frequency can vary depending on the speed of the wave in different media.

Therefore, you have just shown t yourself that there is not a 1:1 correspondence between wavelength and frequency.

Not to mention that they aren't even the same units (as has been mentioned to you dozens of times now), so they CANNOT be equal.

Because you seem to be confused, math is done on units as well as the numbers. You can't just look at the numbers.

Follow along or shut up. If you have the wavelength then you should be able to know the frequency.

Asshole

I don't disagree with what you say NOW.

You SHOULD be able to know the frequency IF you also know the velocity.

But there is no possible way (zero probability) that wavelength = frequency.


"=" has a specific mathematical definition, which you have been desperately trying to change.

Just say "I'm sorry, wavelength does not equal frequency, but instead velocity = wavelength * frequency" and we're all good. But you won't and that's funny.

Frequency and wavelength are different numerical representations of the same wave. And that you agree with what I say NOW tells me you just started to listen.

I would ask Joe about standing waves but I wouldn't want to put too much stress on the three firing brain cells that he has.

Date: 2015/06/24 15:04:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 24 2015,14:56)
Hey, Joe, check out # 7.

But Joe spells "mathematical" with a d. So the probability can't be zero.

Date: 2015/06/24 15:34:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ June 24 2015,15:09)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 24 2015,14:59)
Has anyone else noticed how Joe started switching between wave and wavelength?  Do we think he's unaware of the difference or that he's trying to fool someone?

A wavelength is a wave and a wave has a wavelength.

Really? A wavelength is a wave? Do you really want to make such a stupid claim?

What was I thinking? Of course you do. So be it.

I can hardly wait for you to teach us about amplitude. It ought to be entertaining.

Date: 2015/06/25 09:33:52, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joe wades in on the abortion and IVF debate.
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Abortion is murder, period. Whoever puts a human fertilized egg on a petri dish and does not allow it to develop is a murderer too.


Moron Alert

Date: 2015/06/26 20:35:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (N.Wells @ June 26 2015,19:59)
From http://extras.denverpost.com/news.......29f.htm

Quote
References by parents and staff about the school being Christian-based led the district to suspect that the U.S. Constitution clause separating church and state is being violated.
Who could possibly suspect that of Dear Barry?

Quote
"I come to you as a humble man." Arrington told the board

That's about as likely as:
Mullings of Montserrat being brief and comprehensible
Gaulin actually explaining something (or being comprehensible)
Behe being up to date on the literature
O'Leary comprehending the science behind her news items
Dembski being the hero in a court case
etc.

Or Joe not resorting to name calling

Date: 2015/06/28 13:08:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ June 28 2015,04:39)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.

Date: 2015/06/28 13:17:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,03:11)
At UD, YEC gordo says:

"Anything beyond genuine freedom cometh of evil."

Here: http://tinyurl.com/ojaoa6y....ojaoa6y

Yet he is on a theocratic/autocratic/dominionist agenda to restrict and abolish freedoms, such as the freedom for homosexual people to marry each other:

http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/....pot....pot.com

If there is such a thing as "evil", gordo is the personification of it.

gordo lives in Montserrat and is a Jamaican, and he has said that people should not interfere in the governing of countries that they are not a citizen of, yet he regularly brings up the USA Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and things that were said by USA politicians, judges, etc., and he regularly condemns the USA and other governments, and now he even says that the government of the USA should be replaced (i.e overthrown).

Hey gordo, SHUT THE FUCK UP about the USA, you insane piece of shit. Mind your own insignificant business on that insignificant speck of insignificant rock you live on. You live on a British Overseas Territory and the USA wants NOTHING to do with you. I'm sure that most Brits would want nothing to do with you too. You're just one of the worthless mooches sucking on the British taxpayers' tit.  

Hmm, some USA and British government agencies just might be interested in your desire (or plot?) to replace (i.e. overthrow) the USA government, and that you thoroughly believe and constantly spew that: "Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."   (my bold)  

Hey gordo, are you and your murderous friends plotting some 'mafioso style' murders of people who "deserve to die"?  Have you already murdered people who "deserve to die"?


ETA: replaced a non-functioning link

For Christ's sake TWT, seek some help.

Date: 2015/07/06 16:26:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Same sex marriage will destroy society

It was only a matter of time.

Date: 2015/07/06 21:17:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 06 2015,19:28)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 06 2015,16:26)
Same sex marriage will destroy society

It was only a matter of time.

Kairosfocus in #7:      
Quote
This will be my only comment in this thread.

Halleujah!  I can die now, I've seen everything.  My life is complete.

Oh wait, there's still the Chicago Cubs winning the pennant.  Never mind.

Or the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup.

Date: 2015/07/07 00:21:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ July 06 2015,11:17)
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 06 2015,08:40)
Is JoeG really Donald Trump?

Or maybe they are cousins... you know, the kind that are married to each other.

Whatever the cause, Don and Joe sound very much alike (minus the cussing, but he is "running" for president).

Trump's shed is bigger, and has fewer ticks.

I am pretty sure that Trump knows that wavelength does not equal frequency.

Date: 2015/07/07 19:49:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Z: "It doesn’t mention race either."

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Joe: We are one species, Zachriel. Meaning one race.


More words of wisdom from Joke.

Date: 2015/07/08 12:10:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ July 08 2015,08:50)
Quote (JohnW @ July 07 2015,21:25)
Quote (NoName @ July 07 2015,08:19)
I wonder what Joe G thinks the wavelength of a soliton is?
And what could the frequency possibly be?
lol

Don't bother him right now, NoName.  He's busy trying to determine how much greater than zero zero is.

Don't worry Joe is wondering which of his boyfriends he can marry.

Actually, he is waiting for the legalization of inter-species marriage. He has had his eye on the cute little sheep next door.

Date: 2015/07/08 23:20:52, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ July 08 2015,22:38)
Second only to the anatomical aspects of gay sex, they seem obsessed with breeding. Breeding people. JW777 has some fascist people "grooming" utopia dreamed up and they're all going on about heterosexual pairings between the last two people on earth after the apocalypse.

I love airport layovers.....

But only if you have lounge access (and free booze).

Date: 2015/07/09 22:16:46, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Henry J @ July 09 2015,20:57)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 09 2015,18:47)
Quote (fnxtr @ July 09 2015,19:28)
 
Quote (Amadan @ July 09 2015,12:24)
   
Quote (k.e.. @ July 09 2015,19:27)
   
Quote (Quack @ July 09 2015,16:56)
Wonder what Joe thinks about sex with dolphins?

Malcolm Brenner

An amazing story!

That would seem to have little porpoise.

[Cetacean required]

Well played, Amadan.

Whale played.

As long as it wasn't a fluke!

Joe denies "ever having sexual realations with that Delphinid". He has always been faithful to mutton.

Date: 2015/07/14 16:30:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Henry J @ July 14 2015,13:59)
Re "I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view."

Well, they are a non-prophet organization, after all!  :p

But, unlike religious organizations, not tax exempt.

Date: 2015/07/14 20:47:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ July 14 2015,19:44)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 28 2015,11:08)
     
Quote (The whole truth @ June 28 2015,04:39)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 27 2015,21:27)
       
Quote (The whole truth @ June 27 2015,21:34)
So, in addition to never posting some of my comments even though they broke no so-called rules, all of my comments are NON-transparently, morally pre-judged by you and/or other ‘admins’, and if my comments (or parts of them) are morally judged to be tolerable they will be posted eventually. How nice.

So basically you behaved like a dick, wouldn't agree to not behave like a dick, and are now whining because your posts are moderated to ensure you don't behave like a dick again.

That about cover it?

You sound like banny arrington.

I don't know what your issue is. Atbc as little in the way of rules and allows the use of real names. In spite of this, the only real name I use is Gordon's. That is because I believe that he waives the right to anonimity when he falsely accuses someone of an illegal act.

But when I post at TSZ I don't use his name. Elizabeth's site, Rlizabeth's rules. It is common curtesy. If you disagree with the rules, either don't comment there or complain about them. But intentionally breaking the rules is just childish. Get some help.


Yet Elizabeth Liddle and others refer to and address people by names other than than their usernames at TSZ, including their real names, even though EL has stated that only usernames can be used. gordon mullings doesn't even comment at TSZ (and never will because of his cowardice) and he has no username there. EL caters only to gordo when it comes to so-called 'outing'.

Here is a copy of a comment I submitted at TSZ on the 13th, that was not posted, even though 'nothing is deleted at TSZ'. Some other comments of mine (and from other people) have also been blocked or deleted:

Elizabeth, you said:

"...we do not delete posts at all (apart from the narrow range of redactions specified in the rules, and even then, we don’t delete the post, just specific content, and if that’s the whole post, then the post itself remains, with the word in place of the redacted material."

You say that you don't lie, Elizabeth, yet you're lying. And yeah, I'm blunt about it because you ARE lying. You often pretend to be naive about various things, including what goes on here at TSZ (in the open or behind the scenes) but you are the owner and administrator of this site and as such you have no legitimate excuse for such pretending, or for lying about what goes on here.

Oh, and is "Mathgrrl" the username that Patrick uses here? Don't you say that only the username a commenter uses here is allowed, and that anything else is 'outing'? Why isn't the name "Mathgrrl" replaced by the word "redacted" in stcordova's re-posted comment and why hasn't stcordova been warned about 'outing'? Also, why is keiths allowed to re-post stcordova's "Dear Mathgrrl" comment without redacting the "Mathgrrl" part and why is keiths or anyone else allowed to post stcordova's name as "Sal", or "Salvador"? stcordova doesn't go by "Sal" or "Salvador" here.

You and others got all bent out of shape when I've said "gordo" or "gordon mullings"  (and banned me and deleted/blocked some of my comments for not caving in to your two-faced application of your so-called 'rules') yet you and others do not stick to your so-called rules. Take a look at stcordova's most recent thread. Look at all the commenters addressing him as "Sal". Even YOU do it, Elizabeth, even though his username here is "stcordova", not "Sal". And as I've said before, the ONLY reason that you don't enforce your so-called 'outing rule' when it comes to stcordova is because stcordova doesn't whine and make a huge stink about the posting of his name "Sal" or "Salvador", and you do cater to gordo's huge, ridiculous, whining stinks about 'outing' even though he doesn't even comment here and has no username here.

Unless and until gordon mullings actually does comment here (which will never happen because of his sniveling cowardice) and has a username here he doesn't even come under your so-called 'outing rule' and therfor anyone and everyone should be able to use his real name or any other name they want to when referring to him, especially since his real name is known to us by his own doing.

-------------------------


EL recently made a comment regarding "known to us". If you actually give a shit about principles maybe you can find it and other comments she has made that show her two-faced-ness when it comes to her so-called 'rules'.

My "issue" is that I don't like two-faced, lying bullshit, from anyone. Apparently, you and some others have conveniently adjustable principles.

And you might have noticed at TSZ that I'm not the only one who has a problem with EL's inconsistent, contradictory application/enforcement of her so-called 'rules'. There is plenty of bitching going on over there about it, for good reasons.

The only others that are really complaining about moderation at TSZ are Mung and William. If you want to be lumped in with them, go ahead.

Liz never said that you can only be logged in under one name (I have two). She just said that you can't intentionally use someone's real name if they haven't provided it. Even though Gordo is a big bag of shit, he doesn't use his real name in his comments.

Yes, Liz and others use Sal's real name. So what? His username is his real name. And he often ends his comments with "Sal". In short, he is not trying to post anonymously.

You really have to get over this. You were banned at TSZ because you were the only person in recent times who has been as dickish as Joe. I hope you like the company.

Date: 2015/07/15 18:24:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 15 2015,16:33)
Quote
I have forgotten more about ID than you will ever know and I don’t forget.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-572382

This goes hand in hand with:

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I know more about evolution and microbiology than you ever will.

Date: 2015/07/16 11:12:11, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Another insightful comment by Joe over at Cornelius Hunter's Planned Parenthood OP.

Quote
Like when you got caught soliciting sex at a Chuck E Cheese

Date: 2015/07/16 15:17:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 16 2015,14:21)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 16 2015,11:12)
Another insightful comment by Joe over at Cornelius Hunter's Planned Parenthood OP.

   
Quote
Like when you got caught soliciting sex at a Chuck E Cheese

More recent Joke G at Corny's

   
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Stop being such an ass.

   
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You must be an imbecile incapable of following a discussion.

   
Quote
Pull your head out of your ass and try again.

   
Quote
No shit. But those adaptations led to the increased fitness.

   
Quote
Why is it that you are just a tantrum-throwing assmuncher?


There was a time Corny would delete Joke's vulgarity and insults.  Now it seems Corny views Joke as the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Well, at least he didn't call me an assmuncher.

Date: 2015/07/16 22:05:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 16 2015,15:17)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 16 2015,14:21)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 16 2015,11:12)
Another insightful comment by Joe over at Cornelius Hunter's Planned Parenthood OP.

     
Quote
Like when you got caught soliciting sex at a Chuck E Cheese

More recent Joke G at Corny's

   
Quote
Stop being such an ass.

   
Quote
You must be an imbecile incapable of following a discussion.

   
Quote
Pull your head out of your ass and try again.

   
Quote
No shit. But those adaptations led to the increased fitness.

   
Quote
Why is it that you are just a tantrum-throwing assmuncher?


There was a time Corny would delete Joke's vulgarity and insults.  Now it seems Corny views Joke as the "enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Well, at least he didn't call me an assmuncher.

Damn, I spoke too soon.
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Obviously you are an ignorant assmuncher.

Date: 2015/07/17 07:43:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (paragwinn @ July 17 2015,06:26)
Quote (KevinB @ July 17 2015,04:12)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ July 17 2015,04:22)
   
Quote
bornagain77July 16, 2015 at 11:30 am
[...]when history is finally written[...]

Have we got a date for that yet?

Would you settle for a sun-dried raisin?

ba77 has faith in a raisin from the dead.

Blasphemy I say.

Date: 2015/07/20 16:54:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2015,16:14)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 20 2015,08:51)
Double bonus JoeTard from the same post at Corny's place.

First the reason why women don't deserve the right to choose an abortion.  They're too dumb to be given rights.
 
Quote
Joe G July 19, 2015 at 8:13 AM

Umm if women are too dim to decide BEFORE having sex perhaps they shouldn't be given the right to choose after they become pregnant.

Then we get Joe's understanding of spontaneous abortions that end 40% of all pregnancies.  Miscarriages are evidence of Intelligent Design because they show genetic entropy.

 
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Miscarriages prove how miraculous life is as obviously it is a very intricate and complex process. Miscarriages speak of the wrought of genetic entropy.


linky

The bottomless pit of stupid that is Joe G.  :D

Chubby imbecile. Rape?

And he thinks that the combination of condoms and rhythm method is 100% effective.

I wonder what form of birth control Joe's parents used. Whatever it was, it resulted in brain damage.

Date: 2015/07/20 18:00:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 20 2015,17:10)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 20 2015,16:54)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2015,16:14)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 20 2015,08:51)
Double bonus JoeTard from the same post at Corny's place.

First the reason why women don't deserve the right to choose an abortion.  They're too dumb to be given rights.
       
Quote
Joe G July 19, 2015 at 8:13 AM

Umm if women are too dim to decide BEFORE having sex perhaps they shouldn't be given the right to choose after they become pregnant.

Then we get Joe's understanding of spontaneous abortions that end 40% of all pregnancies.  Miscarriages are evidence of Intelligent Design because they show genetic entropy.

       
Quote
Miscarriages prove how miraculous life is as obviously it is a very intricate and complex process. Miscarriages speak of the wrought of genetic entropy.


linky

The bottomless pit of stupid that is Joe G.  :D

Chubby imbecile. Rape?

And he thinks that the combination of condoms and rhythm method is 100% effective.

I wonder what form of birth control Joe's parents used. Whatever it was, it resulted in brain damage.

Given the results I suspect Joe was the first pregnancy to result from anal intercourse.

I'm not sure. I think Barry and Mullings are older than Joe. Which would mean that he can only claim thurd turd.

Date: 2015/07/26 15:48:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Note: I (O’Leary for News) am working late on my second/alternate night job so serious posting will be slightly delayed


My irony meter just blew a circuit.

Date: 2015/07/26 15:50:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ July 26 2015,12:28)
Corny Hunter has a new post at UD which links here to his blog and it's all "Blah blah climate change is a hoax blah blah".

was it a whole 24 hrs ago that NASA said June was the hottest month ever recorded?

And Louis, Joe a Nic are doing their normal bang-up job defending CH's OP that is simultaneously posted at his blog.

Date: 2015/07/27 21:45:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ July 27 2015,21:23)
WTF is happening over at UD?

Rob Sheldon has found life on Mars, and has some interesting notions about where gravity doesn't exist.

Cornelius Hunter has met the Spanish Inquisition in Ray Martinez.

Mapou and YECs are out-crazying each other.

"Peter" has this to share:

"I guess ever race is important except the White race. I wonder if you would have the same opinion if it were Blacks or Hispanics going extinct."

"Yes, I realize that taking the vote away from White women will never happen. Once a people gives women equality it is game over for them."

"You may be glad that women will not loose the right to vote. But your relief is only short lived. Once the whites have gone extinct and are replaced by the Arabic race women will have far less rights."

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-573659

Has anyone seen Barry?

You missed this gem from Peter:
Quote
As you don’t care if your race goes extinct then I guess that you are comfortable with women voting. My personal opinion is that feminism destroys societies. It caused the collapse of the Roman empire. I want my race to survive.


I would like to think that Peter is just yanking our chain, but given that it is on UD, I will not hold my breath.

But, on another note, it is nice to see that UD and ID is all about science.

Date: 2015/07/28 21:36:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Heeees baaaaack...
Flight of the Homophobe

Date: 2015/07/29 15:18:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ July 29 2015,12:12)
Quote (JohnW @ July 29 2015,17:11)
 
Quote (sparc @ July 29 2015,06:53)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 28 2015,21:36)
Heeees baaaaack...
Flight of the Homophobe

5 comments in a row , i.e., nearly 8000 words or 17 word pages within 42 minutes. OK, it's about sex, same sex aka constitutional crisis© no less.

Would I be right in thinking Plato warned us about this?

HOW COULD YOU HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN THAT!

:angry:

Barry's OP was 1741 words. Gordon (LackofFocus) Mullings comments are up to 10,606 words.

But by far the best (i.e., most ironic) of his words are at the bottom of comment 27.
Quote
In short, reduction to absurdity

Date: 2015/07/29 17:17:58, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ July 29 2015,16:34)
Quote (JohnW @ July 29 2015,16:47)
etc., etc...

Grooveediot, 1936: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “rural electrification” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

1847: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “hand-washing” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

....

[QUOTE]1990: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “Internet” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

Date: 2015/07/29 17:39:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 29 2015,15:18)
Quote (Woodbine @ July 29 2015,12:12)
Quote (JohnW @ July 29 2015,17:11)
 
Quote (sparc @ July 29 2015,06:53)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 28 2015,21:36)
Heeees baaaaack...
Flight of the Homophobe

5 comments in a row , i.e., nearly 8000 words or 17 word pages within 42 minutes. OK, it's about sex, same sex aka constitutional crisis© no less.

Would I be right in thinking Plato warned us about this?

HOW COULD YOU HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN THAT!

:angry:

Barry's OP was 1741 words. Gordon (LackofFocus) Mullings comments are up to 10,606 words.

But by far the best (i.e., most ironic) of his words are at the bottom of comment 27.
Quote
In short, reduction to absurdity

I couldn't have said it better than Eugen:

Quote
Kairos

Thanks for additional links and comments. We hope our opponents will come out of their shallowness and consider the serious issues.

Date: 2015/07/29 20:31:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (fnxtr @ July 29 2015,19:34)
[quote=Acartia_Bogart,July 29 2015,15:17]  
Quote (stevestory @ July 29 2015,16:34)
   
Quote (JohnW @ July 29 2015,16:47)
etc., etc...

Grooveediot, 1936: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “rural electrification” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

1847: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “hand-washing” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

....

 
Quote
1990: "I hope people will see the hubris behind the “Internet” movement and wake up to what it is: a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

birth of a meme.

Now how do I get this post to fb?

I don't think that you can because of "the hubris behind the "FB" movement and that it is a modern day experiment likely to fail based on thousands of years of universal practice."

Date: 2015/07/30 12:09:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Where is Mapou and what have you done with him?
Quote
kairosfocus @94 & 96,

Brevity is divine, IMO. There is only so much time in one day. I can’t read your overly inflated prose. Sorry. Same goes to BA77, BTW.


Comment 97

Even his comment at #93 was very unMapouish.

Date: 2015/07/31 00:22:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ July 30 2015,17:42)
PREPARE THE BANHAMMER

Quote
92
Al HobbinJuly 29, 2015 at 9:03 pm
I am a latecomer to UD, and I admit that I have not read all of the comments so I apologize if my question has already been addressed.

If Christianity is a requirement for modern European style democracy and justice, why did it take over 1500 years to begin to sprout to an elite few (land owners), 1900 years to extend democracy beyond a small fraction of the population to a number still far less than 50% (giving women the vote), and an additional 50 years to extend it to all races?

I am not saying that Christianity didn’t play a part, I still haven’t decided whether it played a positive role or a negative role.


linky

Already happened. I didn't last past three comments. I think what did it was when I pointed out to Barry that the constitutional amendments he claimed were enacted following a public vote, were actually enacted after ratification by the states legislatures.

I guess he hates it when a Canadian with access to Wiki can learn more about American law in 30 seconds than he has learned in fifty years.

Eventually Gmail is going to stop me from creating email accounts.

Date: 2015/08/04 16:48:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Can anyone tell me what the fuck this means? I would make it a quiz and for double the points, who said it, but that would be too easy.
Quote
your sudden shift to raising talking points on design is interesting when juxtaposed to the above which in the main responds to the atmosphere of hostility to Christians in the public square as citizens and participants in the marketplace of ideas etc.

Date: 2015/08/04 17:57:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 04 2015,17:21)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 04 2015,14:48)
Can anyone tell me what the fuck this means? I would make it a quiz and for double the points, who said it, but that would be too easy.
 
Quote
your sudden shift to raising talking points on design is interesting when juxtaposed to the above which in the main responds to the atmosphere of hostility to Christians in the public square as citizens and participants in the marketplace of ideas etc.

"ID is science, not religion, which is why questioning ID indicates hostility to Christians."

How did I do?

Your guess is as good as anybody's.

Date: 2015/08/05 10:50:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 05 2015,09:59)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2015,00:59)
Joe copies the grown-up's words part elebenty:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2011.......1075093

 
Quote
keep humping that strawman!


It clearly hurt Joe because:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2014.......er.html

and then..

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/creationism/on-good-government-justice-origins-issues-and-the-alleged-right-wing-creationist-christo-f


ascist-theocratic-threat/#comment-574574]http://www.uncommondescent.com/creatio....-574574[/URL]


 
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24
Virgil CainAugust 4, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Great, Carpathian is back to humping strawmen.


Poor, old, butthurt, unimaginative chubbers.

Unlike some of the earlier Words O'The Week, he can probably say "humping" without his lips getting in the way.

Has Joe been in Ottawa lately?

Humping the stawman

Date: 2015/08/08 23:09:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 08 2015,18:15)
and maybe seversky and carpathian? I haven't read enough.

Anywho:

 
Quote
66
Zachriel
August 8, 2015 at 12:23 pm

bornagain77: {standard reply, handwaving following by linkfest}

First link doesn’t address adaptive radiation. The second link is not an example of adaptive radiation. The third link mangles the definition of species. The fourth link doesn’t address adaptive radiation.

You might do better by trying to sustain an argument rather than deflect from it.


lol.eta: linky

Carpathian has been quite handily taking Gordon Mullings to task over his nonsense about religion and government.

Date: 2015/08/10 11:12:57, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 10 2015,10:57)
I was just reading this morning about Nick Bostrom's concerns about the potential dangers of AI in a recent issue of MIT Technology Review.

little did i know that UD polymath Gordon Mullins would prove Bostrom foolish, and clueless, and also by the way his ideas prove Intelligent Design.

why do i waste my time getting MIT TR from a liberry 45 miles away when i can pull up UD for free? Hard to understand...

Gordon Mullings agrees with you. Or, more correctly, why do you waste your time reading any primary literature when you can get all of the "TRUTH" from the only source that counts, Kairosfocus (don't call me Gordon Mullings).

Date: 2015/08/10 11:18:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 10 2015,10:19)
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 10 2015,17:35)
Ah, but a blog (or forum) is not a street corner!!111!!eleven!!!

The corners around Gary's way are too lonely for him, he might have  tried door to door preaching. In any case he's now doing door to door stumping on blogs. It's sort of like doing a sad clown gig in the big tent, no doors slam in his face.

I still want to know why we were "designed" to have hernias. In fact, I want to know what incompetent designer decided to place the internal organ necessary for reproduction on the outside of the body. Please tell me it is not just to allow America's Funniest Home Videos to exist.

Date: 2015/08/10 14:54:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 10 2015,14:49)
Do you think he would stop writing if we send him an ambassadeur 6500 c3 as a gift? There should be some fish around Montserrat.

Given his paranoid delusions, he would probably call in the bomb squad. Especially if we addressed it from The Whole Truth.

Date: 2015/08/10 22:49:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Who would have thought that you could get Gordon (Kairosfocus) Mullings to write an OP in response to one of your comments was to call the term "scientism" bogus.

He who shall not be named

Date: 2015/08/11 11:13:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 11 2015,10:44)
your grammar is showing signs of Gaulinitis  :p

I thought that it was more Beyersesque.

Date: 2015/08/11 17:02:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 11 2015,16:38)
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 11 2015,15:21)
I won't ask you to guess the author, as it's blindingly obvious.

Shockingly, he hasn't got around to explaining why "meaning of life via divine fiat" is smarter than "finding one's own meaning," even in the absence of belief in gods.  I'm sure he'll be correcting this oversight.

Barry's bitterness is unbound. He has all these objective standards... he doesn't come close to.

Barry has been keeping a low profile. And a low number of ID opponents.

Date: 2015/08/11 17:36:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 11 2015,17:17)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 11 2015,17:02)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 11 2015,16:38)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 11 2015,15:21)
I won't ask you to guess the author, as it's blindingly obvious.

Shockingly, he hasn't got around to explaining why "meaning of life via divine fiat" is smarter than "finding one's own meaning," even in the absence of belief in gods.  I'm sure he'll be correcting this oversight.

Barry's bitterness is unbound. He has all these objective standards... he doesn't come close to.

Barry has been keeping a low profile. And a low number of ID opponents.

D grade lawyer (BBB, last time I looked) running "just another science free bad apologetics blog".

But he was quick to ban Tininnid. Again.

Date: 2015/08/12 16:54:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

Quote
...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

Quote
Barry: “He really is a disgusting little maggot.”

What a moron Barry is. He has difficulty logically disputing a well presented argument, he resorts to name calling. Is there any wonder that he has a D- rating by the BBB, largely due his abusive behaviour towards clients?

I think it was well worth wasting a sock for

Date: 2015/08/12 17:16:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ Aug. 12 2015,17:06)
Might want to update that D rating:


 
Quote
According to information in BBB files, this company is no longer in business. If you have an unresolved dispute with this company you may wish to seek legal advice.
-

http://www.bbb.org/denver.....0138018

In other Barry News, his style doesn't work so well in the real world:

 
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The news that Twin Peaks Charter Academy in Longmont, Colorado refused to allow valedictorian Evan Young to give a graduation speech in which he outed that he was gay has sparked a serious back-and-forth between the school’s board-attorney and Colorado congressman Jared Polis. Polis wants to see an external investigation of the school’s decision and overall inclusiveness, and the school’s administrators want Polis to leave them alone while they contract for their own investigation.

The debate, already pointed, got outright personal when the school’s attorney Barry Arrington stepped in to accuse Polis of a secret desire to send those involved to a “Maoist-style thought reform camp.” Polis has now gone ahead and added to his request for independent investigation the request that Twin Peaks cut Arrington loose.


http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153706.....amp-jab

Wrt the BBB rating, he changed his address. Because he is not registered with the BBB (big surprise there), if you change your address, your ranking gets whipped out.

Date: 2015/08/12 17:52:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?


Don't underestimate the banhammer.

Date: 2015/08/12 19:07:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,17:57)
Quote (eigenstate @ Aug. 12 2015,17:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

   
Quote
...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

I, like you, I'm sure, run across a lot of "Barry" types on the Net.

The epithets and denigration are so.... banal, though. His "dislikeability" really is function of his just being... boring. I can think of other much more nasty characters, who at least had the good grace to be somewhat original or creative.

DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?

The closest comparison I have is ...  toothache.

I was thinking about an ache about mid way between my teeth and my feet.

Date: 2015/08/12 19:17:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2015,16:54)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

 
Quote
...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

Quote
Barry: “He really is a disgusting little maggot.”

What a moron Barry is. He has difficulty logically disputing a well presented argument, he resorts to name calling. Is there any wonder that he has a D- rating by the BBB, largely due his abusive behaviour towards clients?

I think it was well worth wasting a sock for

I was shocked. This comment lasted for almost three hours. Unfortunately, the following comment was deleted in less than ten minutes. Followed shortly by a signature ban inaction.

Quote
Hi Barry. Given that my response to the following comment was deleted:

Barry: "<I> He really is a disgusting little maggot."</I>

Am I correct in assuming that it is acceptable for you to be an abusive turd, but that if anyone else uses similar language towards you that this is unacceptable I only ask because I like to know how level (or not) the playing field is.

Date: 2015/08/13 09:55:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry is on a roll. Check out his latest attack on materialists.

Why "Materialist Ethics" is an Oxymoron

There is an oxymoron somewhere, but it is not "materialist Ethics"

Date: 2015/08/17 17:56:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ Aug. 17 2015,17:42)
Arrington's latest screed accuses Eigenstate of "the fallacy of false analogy."

Anyone up for pointing out that the entire design argument is one big fallacy of false analogy?

I would but Arrington, "that goddamned fascist pig" banned me again.

Date: 2015/08/18 08:29:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (KevinB @ Aug. 18 2015,07:39)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 18 2015,02:42)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 18 2015,00:55)
   
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 17 2015,08:03)
     
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 17 2015,05:54)
How to tell when your degree is a PhDumb:*                      
Quote
Why I think a transcendent Creator would make computer simulations of consciousness impossible

An interesting question for Intelligent Design proponents to ponder at this point is: supposing that the universe was designed by a Being Who wished to make His existence scientifically knowable to any intelligent life-forms living within the cosmos, and suppose that this Being was not only intelligent but also transcendent, how would He design the universe in such a way as to prevent human beings (and any other intelligent life-forms that might exist in outer space) from drawing the wrong inference about the nature of the Designer, and conceiving of Him as merely super-human (like the Greek and Roman gods of antiquity), rather than transcendent?

Apparently an intelligent designer couldn't just appear (possibly on a pillar of fire),  introduce himself, do a few miracles, make a few non-obvious but accurate predictions about the future - you know, do some God type stuff, but do it often enough so most people have seen Him in action and also do it in front of the newsreel cameras occasionally.  That would keep me from drawing any wrong conclusions.  It would certainly be more convincing than appearing before an occasional lone goatherd and leaving him with no evidence beyond the word of a lying goatherd.

Ah, yes, but the Babel Fish argument shows that doing this would destroy God.

So in other words, if God was suicidal, he would make it impossible to simulate intelligence on a computer, thus giving humanity proof of His existence.

PhDb

There you go. Perhaps UD is His suicide note.

Cause of Death: Poisoning by KF, leading to terminal boredom.

No, I think the cause of death was distractive red herrings dragged away from the track of truth that  led out to a caricatured strawmen soaked in (implicit or explicit) character-assassinating ad hominems and ignited to cloud, confuse, polarise and posion the atmosphere for discussion.

Leading to terminal boredom.

Date: 2015/08/18 15:21:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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How to tell when your degree is a PhDumb:*                          
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Why I think a transcendent Creator would make computer simulations of consciousness impossible

An interesting question for Intelligent Design proponents to ponder at this point is: supposing that the universe was designed by a Being Who wished to make His existence scientifically knowable to any intelligent life-forms living within the cosmos, and suppose that this Being was not only intelligent but also transcendent, how would He design the universe in such a way as to prevent human beings (and any other intelligent life-forms that might exist in outer space) from drawing the wrong inference about the nature of the Designer, and conceiving of Him as merely super-human (like the Greek and Roman gods of antiquity), rather than transcendent?

Apparently an intelligent designer couldn't just appear (possibly on a pillar of fire),  introduce himself, do a few miracles, make a few non-obvious but accurate predictions about the future - you know, do some God type stuff, but do it often enough so most people have seen Him in action and also do it in front of the newsreel cameras occasionally.  That would keep me from drawing any wrong conclusions.  It would certainly be more convincing than appearing before an occasional lone goatherd and leaving him with no evidence beyond the word of a lying goatherd.

Ah, yes, but the Babel Fish argument shows that doing this would destroy God.

So in other words, if God was suicidal, he would make it impossible to simulate intelligence on a computer, thus giving humanity proof of His existence.

PhDb

There you go. Perhaps UD is His suicide note.

Cause of Death: Poisoning by KF, leading to terminal boredom.

No, I think the cause of death was distractive red herrings dragged away from the track of truth that  led out to a caricatured strawmen soaked in (implicit or explicit) character-assassinating ad hominems and ignited to cloud, confuse, polarise and posion the atmosphere for discussion.

Leading to terminal boredom.

That is merely a less succinct restatement.

I did not feel that it was my task to match your pathetic level of detail.

The sad thing is that what I provided was an exact quote from one of Mullings' comments. With him, we do not need to go far for literary gold.

Date: 2015/08/18 17:11:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Radishes and Gooseberries comment on Dense and Dreary's "Barbarians Behind the Gate screed on abortion.
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Am I the only person here who finds it sad, and telling, that this thread is a bunch of men (Denyse being the only exception) discussing what women should be allowed to do? I am sure that there is another group of men who feel that they have the same god given right….could someone remind me of who they are?

Date: 2015/08/19 17:11:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Possibly the stupidest thing that. Barry has ever said.

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The self-evident is untestable.


But I have faith that he will shortly say something even more stupid.

Date: 2015/08/21 16:13:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (K.Anderson @ Aug. 21 2015,15:47)
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My my.  Methinks the YEC doth protest too much.   :p

So, you're suggesting it is completely acceptable for someone to make malicious false accusations and to make caustic criticisms of research they clearly know nothing about ...

I see that you haven't addressed the reason why your co-author's contract was not renewed. Do you have an opinion?

Date: 2015/08/21 16:21:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
For 300 points and a trip to Hawaii, name this tune:

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Axel, part of Zachriel’s depravity is that he is a damn liar.

Date: 2015/08/22 13:08:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 22 2015,12:37)
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Barry Arrington: I have elected to put him in the moderation queue so I can get some rest. I will let him out in a couple of days.

Barry wins the argument again!

Don't bet on him letting you out in a couple days. That would require him to keep his word. Something that he has a very hard time doing.

I suspect that he took this action because you caught him in an indefensible statement (I.e., that donation of body parts should only be made with the consent of the donor), thereby, prohibiting transplants in children.  

But, Barry's logic is that terminating a two day old pregnancy is evil, but preventing a valedictorian from giving a speech because he is gay is morally imperative. He really is a close minded little bigot.

Date: 2015/08/25 16:01:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (rossum @ Aug. 25 2015,03:45)
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Re "Those unicorn are sexy beasts...makes you wonder why they didn't survive...oh here's why."

See Simon de Myle's Noah's Ark.

Pay particular attention to the two lions at the bottom centre.  Mmmm... tasty.

Unicorns come with their own tooth pick. Delicious, and good for your dental health.

Date: 2015/08/26 00:27:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 25 2015,18:02)
Can someone fire up a sock called "AllScienceSoFar" and critique the science content of each post on the the well know science blog 'Uncommon Descent' that is not religious at all?

It will require no effort.

Date: 2015/08/30 12:12:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 30 2015,07:54)
On Barry's latest post, WJM expresses himself poorly (I hope):
 
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I also want to again point out that I am an example of someone who read these kinds of posts on this very site and was still open to reasoned argument. You guys helped to change my life completely.

Last week Barry was "winning" his arguments by declaring all of his opponents "evil". This week he will be "winning" them by declaring his opponents "insane".

Question: can a person be both evil and insane? Doesn't evil require intent? And isn't one of the requirements of insane the lack of this intent? I just want to know what label to apply to myself.  I guess that Barry could cover his bases and announce victory by declaring his opponents schizophrenic. Then we could be both evil and insane.

Date: 2015/08/30 15:30:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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On Barry's latest post, WJM expresses himself poorly (I hope):
   
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I also want to again point out that I am an example of someone who read these kinds of posts on this very site and was still open to reasoned argument. You guys helped to change my life completely.

Last week Barry was "winning" his arguments by declaring all of his opponents "evil". This week he will be "winning" them by declaring his opponents "insane".

Question: can a person be both evil and insane? Doesn't evil require intent? And isn't one of the requirements of insane the lack of this intent? I just want to know what label to apply to myself.  I guess that Barry could cover his bases and announce victory by declaring his opponents schizophrenic. Then we could be both evil and insane.

Evil is a religious concept.

And I always thought that religion was an evil concept.

Date: 2015/08/31 23:48:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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June 21, 2011

Due to recent dramatic progress in my research, this article has been deleted. My old interpretation of the scriptural metaphors was partially in error. I am working on a new series of articles on the subject. In the meantime, I encourage my readers to read Rebel Science News for the latest.


Latest Rebel Science News: 11/28/2012

Honesty in advertising.

Date: 2015/09/01 09:32:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 01 2015,04:04)
For those of you who haven't seen it yet, {url=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/self-evident-does-not-mean-apparent/]Barry's latest post is a classic[/url]. In it he writes
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An example of a self-evident claim is that 2+2+4. I cannot “prove” that 2+2=4. But does the fact that I cannot prove the proposition mean that I must conclude it is false? Of course not. I know the proposition to be true without proof merely because I understand what it means. Another way of looking at it is that I know for an absolute certain fact that the proposition “2+2 is not 4” is absurd in the sense that it cannot possibly be true, and in order to accept it as true I would have to reject rationality itself.

So you can guess what happens in the comments.

I suspect what Barry considers "self-evident" is really "what he was taught at an early age". But that probably means he doesn't think that Yorkshire is God's Own Country. One can only conclude he's insane.

(if anyone wants to try a more serious example, try gun control. It's self-evident that looser access to guns and ammunition means there will be more deaths from gunshots. I suspect Barry would not agree).

But it is self-evident that same-sex marriage will weaken the institution of marriage, and that the top student in a school must not be allowed to give a valedictory speech if he is gay.

Date: 2015/09/01 17:41:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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FYI-FTR: SS’s red herring –> strawman abuse of the Golden Rule vs the needed World-Root IS that grounds OUGHT
September 1, 2015

Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Politics/policy and origins issues, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism

Comments off

For some weeks now, in the teeth of repeated correction, SS [attn, LH, DK etc] has been abusing the Golden Rule by dragging it as a red herring across the track of the issue of grounding OUGHT in a world-root level IS, and then setting up a strawman argument on how reciprocity adequately founds moral […]
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/ethics/science-worldview-issues-and-society/fyi-ftr-sss-red-herring-strawman-abuse-of-the-golden-rule-vs-the-needed-world-root-is-that

-grounds-ought/]WTF do all those words mean?[/URL]

WTF does anything Gordon Mullings say, mean?

Date: 2015/09/02 13:36:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! URONY ALERT!

OK, don't say that I didn't warn you. Comment 148.



Barry Arrogant
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Liar. You’ve dodged the question twice now. It is plain to me you don’t want an honest discussion. Goodbye.
If You can't see that what I say is self-evident, you are a liar, evil and insane

Date: 2015/09/02 17:51:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 02 2015,16:11)
Joe turned up at Sandwalk again. Offered to fight/debate everyone in the room, said the same shit he always says ("your position can't explain prokaryotes given starting populations of prokaryotes" ring any bells?), got deleted leaving only the ghost of other people's responses to mark his passage. Hehe.

He has been misbehaving on Cornelius Hunter's blog as well. But with Joe, is it really necessary to qualify the word "behave" with the prefix "mis"?

Date: 2015/09/02 23:09:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Ptaylor @ Sep. 02 2015,20:03)
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I think one reason people get stuck in that hostile, antagonistic mindset is that they're building a wall. The more SB and BA define people who question them as liars or idiots, the less cause they have to ever think about those questions. If they feel some uncertainty in not being able to rigorously support their beliefs, building that wall would be an answer. Not to the uncertainty itself, but to the feeling of it. It gives them an incentive to attack, rather than think.

Almost as if to confirm this, witness the current dialogue between Barry and StephenB, for the moment ending with:
 
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StephenBSeptember 2, 2015 at 6:17 pm

Barry,

 
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   Learned Hand has gone into insane denial mode. He seems to be saying he cannot be infallibly certain that a slice of a pizza cannot be larger than the whole pizza. Idiot. I don’t see any sense engaging with him further. We’ve led him by the hand enough for one day.


Barry, I agree. There is no further need for dialogue. To survive in the moment, he agreed that it cannot be so, but he has now reverted to the insane denial mode.

UD link

Damn, and I like pizza.

Date: 2015/09/04 21:00:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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sean samisSeptember 4, 2015 at 3:07 pm
I think this debate between kairosfocus and myself is coming to its effective end. Our arguments are beginning to become repetitious; I’ve seen all KF has, and all I can do is remind him of why he is wrong. I’m sure KF feels exactly the same way about me and mine.

Now kairosfocus is so frustrated at his inability to change my mind that KF’s beginning to insinuate that I must be evil. That is a sign that this needs to end.

Wide-spread belief in kairosfocus’s “world-root-level” grounding of morality does absolutely no good for preventing evil.

It did not stop the thousands of Germans who committed the Holocaust, or the thousands of Polish, Russian, French, Dutch etc. collaborators who were accomplices in that crime.

It did not stop 19th century pogroms in Imperial Russia. It didn’t stop the African Slave Trade or Southern lynchings or Jim Crow laws. It didn’t stop the Wars of Religion in Europe, nor mass-murder of Jews in medieval Germany, nor witch burnings, heretic burnings, and on and on and on.

It doesn’t stop Christians from getting abortions today, a problem so great that some churches and denominations struggle to find ways to minister to members who’ve gotten abortions.

It doesn’t stop conservative politicians who take money away from programs intended to serve poor children and mothers so they can lower taxes for the wealthy. Strangly; “godless” Europeans have fewer abortions than we Religious Americans do. And they take better care of their children too. Are those related facts? Probably.

In any event, belief in kairosfocus’s “world-root-level” grounding of morality does absolutely no good for preventing any of these evils. Is the solution to the crisis of abortion to proclaim “Ontology!”? Will that change hearts and minds?

Would my alternative, a moral system based on the mandate of the Golden Rule and founded on Reason and Facts of Nature do better? I think so because it does not try to leverage beliefs in deities. Deities have been and are used to justify all manner of horror because “God said so, and God’s ways are mysterious.” All those horrors I mentioned above were supported by religious leaders in the name of their God.

And now we have Godly believers who won’t take their children to doctors, who throw acid at little children, who destroy antiquities, who induce children to become sex-slaves and child-soldiers and suicide bombers, who go to the funerals of fallen soldiers and cheer the weapons that killed them.

Think of all the conflict zones in the world; how many are driven by religious disagreements? Most are. I cannot think of a war in all of history where religious leaders on either side (much less BOTH sides!) were like: “Hold on there! This is wrong!” Mark Twain’s War Prayer got it right.

My morality replaces God with Reason and Facts. Oh for sure people can and will dispute Reason and Facts (just like they do theistic ideas) but because reason and facts are accessible to all, there is no claiming that “Reason’s ways are mysterious”; reasons ways are reasonable by definition. Facts are facts.

My alternative is not perfect, but that’s not the standard we need meet. We just need better. And boy! Do we need better!

Kairosfocus is part of the team that runs UD (or so it appears) so I will give him the last word on this thread.

Thank you all for your kind attention.

sean s.


linky

And Gordon (KairosFocus) Mulling's response:

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SS, at this point, with all due respect things like the chain of warrant are not on trial, you are. Likewise, it is patent that do to neighbour as you would be done by teaches morality well but cannot ontologically found it, where some sobering history on dehumanising to abuse shows the urgency of such grounding. And so the verdict is in, you can only play the I declare rhetorical victory card. Sad, in the end. KF


One comment is logical, well constructed and easy to understand. The other one is KF's.

Date: 2015/09/05 14:30:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I made the mistake of visiting Michael Egnor's blog. What a hateful little bigot he is.

Date: 2015/09/05 17:00:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ Sep. 05 2015,15:51)
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I made the mistake of visiting Michael Egnor's blog. What a hateful little bigot he is.

I took a peek at his place and was relieved to see he gets far less attention (as gauged by numbers of comments) than he used to.

And it's not difficult to see why....he's gone full retard. It's as if Conservapedia took human form and started blogging.

I know. Most of his recent comments have been from me. But there is no challenge. It is scary that people allow him to operate on their children's brain.

He makes Arrington look like a reasonable person. And I am being serious.

Date: 2015/09/07 22:25:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 07 2015,21:58)
I just had to come out of deep AtBC retirement - not that I was ever all that active - to note that that particular UD thread is, while young, already a deeply rich vein of stupid to be mined.  I think y'all will be able to get a seriously good fix if it keeps up like this.

Here's some more:

 
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Bob O’H at 7, you gloriously miss the point: We don’t want to pay taxes or be compelled by court orders to front anything to do with Darwinism if YOU can’t answer that question.

We don’t ask for funding or legislation because we admit we don’t know. Not so Darwin’s mob.

You want funding but you don’t know either. Why?

Does that mean that she thinks that religions should be forced to give up their tax free status?

Date: 2015/09/16 09:57:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (rthearle @ Sep. 15 2015,14:11)
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The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.
Comment 4

He has since been called on this. But in true Barry fashion, he supports the truth of his statement with the fact that it has been documented in millions of bibles throughout the world. But he conveniently avoids the qualifier "reliably" that was in his original statement.

Date: 2015/09/16 10:01:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 16 2015,09:47)
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Barry Arrington: eigenstate came in and, amazingly, tried to assert that there is no difference between LH’s first statement and his second statement. There is only so much willful disruption and dishonesty that we will tolerate. We have been very patient with eigenstate, but enough is enough. He will be in moderation for a couple of days.

So, Barry Arrington calls eigenstate dishonest, then puts him in moderation. He follows up with an entire thread accusing eigenstate of lying.
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Barry Arrington: The real question is what motivates him to engage in such insane denials?

As there is no response by eigenstate, Barry Arrington wins another argument.

Z, has Barry kept his promise and lifted you from the depths of moderation after two days of it being invoked?

Date: 2015/09/19 09:02:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry:
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If you think the comparison is valid then you should demonstrate it rather than merely assert it. In comment 6 I summarize several key differences. For your assertion to be valid those differences must be irrelevant. Asserting it easy Ken. Demonstrating is hard work. Take each difference I identify and demonstrate why it is irrelevant.

You will not be able to. When you figure that out, I expect you to come back and apologize for your shameful assertion of equivalence.

Difficult to do when he bans dear old Ken Helicostomella right after posting this comment.

Coward, thy name is Barry

Date: 2015/09/22 16:51:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 22 2015,15:36)
I was under the impression that "Virgil Cain" was a sockpuppet of Gallien's?

Can't be. Virgil is far more stupid than Joe

Date: 2015/09/23 17:09:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (KevinB @ Sep. 23 2015,05:44)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 22 2015,18:08)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 22 2015,16:51)
 
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I was under the impression that "Virgil Cain" was a sockpuppet of Gallien's?

Can't be. Virgil is far more stupid than Joe

Joe's stupidity is very close to the largest number.

Are they dating?

Kissing cousins. Which explains a lot.

Date: 2015/09/25 16:56:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 25 2015,15:48)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 25 2015,16:21)
i've half a mind to register something like BA77IsaLoudMoron at UD.

Why not register as GordonMullings?  No one else is using that name.

Tried that. I didn't survive more than ten minutes.

Date: 2015/09/25 21:00:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 25 2015,15:49)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 16 2015,10:20)
We tried a bit after two days. The comment appeared, then disappeared a while later, showing someone's active involvement. We haven't tried since then, but will at some point in the near future.

Just commented on Cornelius Hunter's latest post. Apparently, Zachriel is out of moderation. Best not tp criticize Barry Arrington on his infallibility with regards to self-evident truths.

Barry always liked you better than me. Teacher's pet.

Date: 2015/09/27 09:50:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I guess I lit a fire under Cornelius when provided the link he uses in this OP in response to his previous OP on the improbability of the evolution of cytochrome C.

Link

Date: 2015/09/28 15:47:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 27 2015,22:15)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 27 2015,09:50)
I guess I lit a fire under Cornelius when provided the link he uses in this OP in response to his previous OP on the improbability of the evolution of cytochrome C.

Link

Over at Cornhole's place this same OP was posted.  At least twice he was asked if he really has evidence that disproves the mainstream science explanation for cytochrome c then why doesn't he submit it to a proper science journal for publication?

Both posts were deleted in a few hours.  :D

I noticed Ghostrider's appearance and disappearance. I just assumed that it was due to his/her spectral nature.

Date: 2015/09/28 22:49:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
This is not ID or UD. Or Barry Arrington or Gordon Mullings. Or even Joe. But it is just as bat-shit crazy as batshit77.

Michael Egnorant just posted a comment on his OP in which he blames  the sexual revolution for pedophile priests. I wish that I had his imagination. I could make a living writing speculative fiction.

i am a homophobic moron

Date: 2015/09/29 11:06:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 29 2015,10:14)
you might be the only person who actually reads BatShit77.

Some people are masochists.

Date: 2015/10/06 18:05:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2015,13:52)
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Virgil Cain

October 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm

Strange that our modern dating system (calendar) is based on the existence of a person that didn’t exist.


Is there some bizarro universe where this isn't idiotic?


linky

And prior to this, it was based on previous Gods. All hail Zeus. Or Odin. Or Osiris. Or the giant turtle.

Date: 2015/10/09 13:45:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 09 2015,13:02)
Who needs car crashes experts as long as Denyse et al.  produce one trainwreck after the other ?

UD has the same attraction as car crashes. We all slow down to look, and then hate yourselves for doing so.

Date: 2015/10/11 22:17:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joey is testing Elizabeth's patience with his latest sock puppet at TSZ. A turd by any other name, will smell as sweet.

Date: 2015/10/12 12:52:16, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 12 2015,09:25)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 11 2015,22:17)
Joey is testing Elizabeth's patience with his latest sock puppet at TSZ. A turd by any other name, will smell as sweet.

Elizabeth is fine. What I don't understand is why others are responding of Joey, or even reading his posts.

I agree, but interacting with Joe is like picking at a scab. You know you shouldn't do it but occasionally you give into the urge. And then you regret it.

Date: 2015/10/19 17:38:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Joe/Virgil/Frankie is a little sensitive about getting caught posting threatening comments while at work.

I'm a sad individual

Date: 2015/10/21 16:28:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

 
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How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

The chart is improperly labeled. It should be labeled "Average IQ of ID Creationists".

Date: 2015/10/22 05:10:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 21 2015,16:30)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 21 2015,17:28)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

   
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How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

The chart is improperly labeled. It should be labeled "Average IQ of ID Creationists".

No, it slopes in the wrong direction.

I was being generous.

Date: 2015/10/22 16:11:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Damn, I was expecting this article to be about Barry, Mapou, Joe/Virgil/Frankie and Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus.


How some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state remain consciousHow some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state...

Date: 2015/10/24 16:21:35, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2015,11:32)
We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584315

Interesting argument. Barry is OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate based on the client's religion. But not OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate against clients based on the business owner's religion.

I wonder if Barry would refuse to prepare a will for a same sex couple if they are naming each other as sole beneficiaries? And I also wonder if he has the legal right to do so? Would the ABA defend Barry in his refusal to provide this service based on his religious convictions. I almost wish I was gay so that I could test this.

Date: 2015/10/26 08:51:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 26 2015,07:41)
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2015,11:32)
We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584315

Quote
Barry Arrington: I have explained my position twice. Go back and read those explanations again and after you have, come back and explain why your example in 35 is not germane. It is not that hard.

Barry asks a question. Zachriel answers ...

Quote
Zachriel      October 26, 2015 at 6:38 am

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

The A, B, Cs of debating Barry style:

A: Ask a question.
B: Ban or place the person in moderation.
C: Call the person a coward for refusing to respond.
D: Declare victory.

Date: 2015/10/26 21:27:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 26 2015,20:54)
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 26 2015,15:48)
I know Postrado is the front runner for the next Nobel Prize for Silly, but Mapou's putting in a strong challenge.

Mapou is also putting in a strong bid for Dick Of The Year too.  He copied the Zachriel "outing" information from Joe G's website and reposted it at UD.  I won't link to it but even several of the regulars spoke up that it wasn't a good idea.  

Then to put toss his asshat into the ring for Hypocrite Of The Year he added this gem while posting under the pseudonym "Mapou":

 
Quote
 "Outing? Anybody who hides behind a pseudonym in order to spread lies is a gutless swine and should be outed, among other things.


There's not enough facepalms in the world.

Isn't this the same guy (Louis) who defends Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus when he complains about being outed, even after he has slandered someone?

Rhetorical question.

Date: 2015/10/27 15:45:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
[B}IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT![/B]

Barry to Popperian:
Quote
I did not say anything about Jesus. I specifically declined your request to debate the incarnation. Now you are putting words into my mouth as if I said them instead of you. Do that again and you will be shown the exit.

Date: 2015/10/30 10:16:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Otangelo @ Oct. 29 2015,13:09)
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 29 2015,11:09)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 29 2015,05:12)
Mapou isn't happy about the DNA of Jesus
 
Quote
I am quickly losing interest in UD. I sense a hidden agenda and I don’t like it. But I’ll keep lurking for a little while longer to see if things get better. This thread is the worst one I’ve seen since I started frequenting the site. It’s beyond ludicrous and it offends both my intelligence and my faith.

I have some sympathy for him, although being on the other side of the debate means I quite like that thread.

What do you suppose the hidden agenda might be?  UD looks like a straight-up Jesus site to me.  Is someone secretly doing science?

Quote
UD looks like a straight-up Jesus site to me.


How do you get that conclusion ?

It is the only "science" (hack, hack, cough!) blog I am aware if that bans people for blasphemy.

Date: 2015/11/02 01:31:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Nov. 01 2015,07:46)
Joe argues, at Intelligent Reasoning, that Lenski supports baraminology. That because the species did not radically change, and 'no new proteins' arose, this supports the view that there was an original Created Kind which gave rise to an entire modern clade.

By not changing or making any new proteins.

It is easy to predict when Joe will say something stupid. It occurs anytime that his fingers touch the keyboard.

Date: 2015/11/08 09:49:07, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ Nov. 07 2015,22:11)
Alright, if any of you is Mung, this is a bit much:

Barry Arrington:

It never ceases to astound me that critics like Carp spew literally hundreds of comments into our combox purporting to debunk ID only to fail when asked to articulate a basic ID idea.

Mung:
I don’t know what makes you think Carpathian is a cripple.

From comment 25 of the same thread, Gordon Mullings admits:

Quote
Oops, mangled a sentence.


This is probably about the only comprehensible thing that he has ever said.

Date: 2015/11/11 17:18:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry Arrogant:
Quote
Last chance Larry. Are you going to answer my question at 35?

Could this be the precursor to the Barry Banhammer?

Date: 2015/11/11 19:04:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 11 2015,18:15)
Notice that arrington is way too much a coward to go to Sandwalk and face Larry (and others) on Larry's turf.

Nope. I'm sure that nobody has ever noticed that [damn, I want that sarcasm font].

Even his lapdog (the man who shall not be named Gordon KairosFocus Mullings) occasionally lifts his head out of Barry's ass to comment on other sites.

Date: 2015/11/11 20:32:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2015,20:27)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 11 2015,19:04)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 11 2015,18:15)
Notice that arrington is way too much a coward to go to Sandwalk and face Larry (and others) on Larry's turf.

Nope. I'm sure that nobody has ever noticed that [damn, I want that sarcasm font].

Even his lapdog (the man who shall not be named Gordon KairosFocus Mullings) occasionally lifts his head out of Barry's ass to comment on other sites.

Sarcasm font?

What? Was I too subtle?

Date: 2015/11/12 09:01:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2015,23:22)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 11 2015,20:32)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2015,20:27)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 11 2015,19:04)
   
Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 11 2015,18:15)
Notice that arrington is way too much a coward to go to Sandwalk and face Larry (and others) on Larry's turf.

Nope. I'm sure that nobody has ever noticed that [damn, I want that sarcasm font].

Even his lapdog (the man who shall not be named Gordon KairosFocus Mullings) occasionally lifts his head out of Barry's ass to comment on other sites.

Sarcasm font?

What? Was I too subtle?

Comic Sans is not sufficient to the purpose?

I think I was a bit too subtle.

Damn, now you made me look up what <i>Comic Sans </i>means.

Date: 2015/11/12 22:33:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 12 2015,17:38)
Blustering Bully Arrington now has two more posts up attacking pro-science UD posters WD400 and Seversky.  In Bully's favorite shyster lawyer tactic he has quote mined them both out of context, set up some cute little strawmen, then boasts how he demolished their lack of logic.  Of course the rest of the mouth breathers at UD scream like howler monkeys and tell Bully how smart he is.  They feed his ego which exactly what he wants.

What a pathetic lumpshit excuse for a human Mr. Arrogant is.

I would rather have my opinions criticized by WD400, Seversky, Goodusername, Carpathian, Larry, etc. than to be patted on the back by Barry, Gordon Mullings, Mapou, Joe/Virgil and Batshitcrazy77.

Call me crazy.

Date: 2015/11/14 16:22:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 14 2015,13:35)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Nov. 14 2015,12:17)
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 14 2015,11:43)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 14 2015,10:57)
So much for the off-topic theory.
     
Quote
Barry Arrington: Bond movies are, too me, much of a muchness. If you liked the first 23 installments (and I did for the most part), you will like this one.

Well, we stand corrected. Jack Jones shows why James Bond is relevant to the debate over Intelligent Design:
   
Quote
Jack Jones: The Aston Martin did not come about by a tornado in a junkyard.

Aston Martins come from poofs in the junkyard.  Everyone knows that, by analogy to how humans were poofed through time.

Tornado, bah!

Glen Davidson

Quote
Aston Martins come from poofs in the junkyard.

Q outed!

Is it just me or joes Jack Jones sound like Joe?

Date: 2015/11/16 20:55:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (REC @ Nov. 16 2015,20:31)
A fascinating example of Barry having a conversation with himself:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-588420

And he blames me for deleting them.....which is impossible.

http://imgur.com/imZFDMc....imZFDMc

Try it. You can edit them down to 1 character if you do it in 20 min, or request deletion. But can you make them disappear?

ETA: No idea what this claim that I made a new account with the same username is about. You simply can't do that if the username is already taken.

And he accuses you of creating a new UD account under the same name.
Quote
UDEditors: Yes, you do, with respect to your own comments. You have also created a new UD Account with the same name. Why did you do that?


Brian Douglas has pointed out the idiocy of his accusation.
Quote
Now, Barry, WordPress does not allow different accounts with the same name. Even if you forget your password, you can’t create a new account with the same name, or the same email. Surely you know this.

I have no idea if BD is correct, but I think I have become clairvoyant. Bye-bye Brian.

Date: 2015/11/16 21:17:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2015,21:01)
Quote (REC @ Nov. 16 2015,20:31)
A fascinating example of Barry having a conversation with himself:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-588420

And he blames me for deleting them.....which is impossible.

http://imgur.com/imZFDMc....imZFDMc

Try it. You can edit them down to 1 character if you do it in 20 min, or request deletion. But can you make them disappear?

ETA: No idea what this claim that I made a new account with the same name is about. You simply can't do that if the name is already taken.

ETA2: Guess I also put myself in moderation

ETA3: The claim I made a second account with the same name is so odd, that perhaps something really weird has happened. I'll be charitable to Barry and think someone monkeyed with my account? Can't login now.

I'd be willing to cut him some slack, but given his history of Douchery and his love of 'inference of the best explanation'...

The latest from Barry

Quote
Looks like REC has thrown in the towel.


By "thrown in the towel" I can only assume that Banny has banned REC and declared victory.

Date: 2015/11/16 21:25:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
OK, what has happened to Joe (Virgil) over at UD? He hasn't commented for several days. I am starting to worry about him.

Date: 2015/11/17 20:36:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Apparently I have committed Berra's blunder. Whatever the fuck that is. Whatever crap Barry spews must be gospel

Date: 2015/11/17 22:14:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 17 2015,21:28)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 17 2015,20:36)
Apparently I have committed Berra's blunder. Whatever the fuck that is. Whatever crap Barry spews must be gospel

Apparently "Berra's blunder" is committing the crime of using automobiles in an analogy to explain an evolutionary concept.  IDiots like Barry are too stupid to understand analogies and can only focus on "But it's a CAR!!  That means it was DESIGNED!!!"

No one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of your average UD Creationist.   :D

And, apparently, I have been banned again. Damn, who would have seen that coming?

Date: 2015/11/19 18:27:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barry:
Quote
To those who believe in the fall and the curse that followed it, degradation of the genome through the accumulation of junk would be unsurprising.


And to think, just the other day he was arguing that ID predicts little to no junk DNA.

Date: 2015/11/20 11:01:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 20 2015,10:54)
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,13:12)
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50)
That should settle that.

Or not ...

Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory.

:p

That's how stupid Dummy Darwin was. He didn't even understand his own theory!

I keep reading over at UD that there is no theory of evolution.

Date: 2015/11/20 14:52:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 20 2015,11:46)
dembski more or less abandoning ID.

I especially like his first statement:
Quote
n the last few years, my focus has switched from ID to education...

I always thought that education was one of ID's goals? Or was that only forced education?

Date: 2015/11/20 14:53:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 20 2015,13:11)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 20 2015,11:34)
peteFun nails Bully:      
Quote
Look – it’s going to be hard to admit when you’re wrong when you accuse someone of “insane denialism”. I know you can’t possibly backtrack now. It would indicate that what you call “insane denialism” is actually a reasonable alternative interpretation you failed to foresee, so you really have no “out”. But whatever gets page views, I guess.
126 peteFun November 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm

That's Bully: Out on a limb with no way to crawl back.  Don't worry though.  In Barryland, insults constitute an effective reply to any evidence or argument.

It's not just that Arrington "failed to foresee" Darwin's Fourth Edition. He failed to read what Darwin said before pronouncing on what Darwin said.

So Barry's position now is:

What Darwin said <> What Darwin said

That sounds familiar.

I predict (or is it postdict?) the bannination of PeteFun. He will be missed.

Date: 2015/11/21 11:47:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2015,09:51)
Quote
14

Mapou November 20, 2015 at 10:05 pm

It’s funny how Lizzy speaks with such authority, as if her words should be taken at face value and respected because they are coming from a superior being. I got news for you, Ms. dirt worshiper. In the end, you’re nothing but a clueless, math-challenged, dirt worshiper and you belong to a [DELETED] cult of other equally clueless dirt worshipers. 😀

UDEditors: No profanity.


Why the fuck not?

It was just a typo. He meant to say <b>No inanity</b>.

Date: 2015/11/22 14:03:58, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Franky172
Quote
If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Date: 2015/11/23 15:21:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
   
Quote
If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

Out of (admittedly egotistical) interest, I decided to see how many OPs at UD were rebuttals, in whole or in part, to comments that I had made. It was far more than I had remembered.

I don't know whether to feel proud that I was able to get under Barry's skin that many times, or ashamed that my comments may have been so easy to ridicule. But, as we are talking about Barry Arrogant and UD, I won't lose any sleep either way.

As Acartia
One

Two

Three

Four

As William Spearshake
Five

Six

Seven

Eight

Nine

As Tintinnid
Ten

Eleven

As Brian Douglas
Twelve

Date: 2015/11/23 15:54:11, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,15:49)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2015,15:21)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 23 2015,09:56)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,09:06)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 22 2015,16:49)
   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 22 2015,14:03)
Franky172
     
Quote
If someone has the time, can someone ask Barry why my post was removed and I was banned?  It would be nice to get a straightforward answer.


I would do it by I (Brian Douglas) was banned after Barry wrote an OP with my name in the title. I commented that I would engage if he gave some assurance that he wouldn't ban me for disagreeing with him. He replied that he never bans people for disagreeing with him. And then he silently banned me. If I keep this up, gmail is going to stop giving me email accounts.

Don't worry, I believe Yahoo! is still going.

Oh you've made everyone's favourite BBB D- Lawyer / Debt collector mad, you "Liar and a Hypocrite".

Not really, I haven't been graced with my own post.

*sniff*

Out of (admittedly egotistical) interest, I decided to see how many OPs at UD were rebuttals, in whole or in part, to comments that I had made. It was far more than I had remembered.

I don't know whether to feel proud that I was able to get under Barry's skin that many times, or ashamed that my comments may have been so easy to ridicule. But, as we are talking about Barry Arrogant and UD, I won't lose any sleep either way.

As Acartia
One

Two

Three

Four

As William Spearshake
Five

Six

Seven

Eight

Nine

As Tintinnid
Ten

Eleven

As Brian Douglas
Twelve

Oh, you show-off.

But it is sad that passing off Barry is my only skill. However, my mother always told me to go with your strengths.

Date: 2015/11/23 21:35:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Too many emotional retards over there.” referring to TSZ

I agree. People at UD are much more mature than at TSZ. I have seen very few people here call opposing commenters liars, stupid, willfully dishonest, pathetic snivelling cowards, Strawman Humpers, dirt worshippers, and other immature epithets that the people at TSZ use all the time in describing us.


Comment 4, While it lasts

Date: 2015/11/23 21:52:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2015,21:35)
Quote
Too many emotional retards over there.” referring to TSZ

I agree. People at UD are much more mature than at TSZ. I have seen very few people here call opposing commenters liars, stupid, willfully dishonest, pathetic snivelling cowards, Strawman Humpers, dirt worshippers, and other immature epithets that the people at TSZ use all the time in describing us.


Comment 4, While it lasts

Well, the comment has survived (so far) but Joe Halfgallon hasn't. This is a record for me. Two comments: the first to kiss Barry's ass, the second to get banned for pointing out the truth.

Date: 2015/11/23 22:43:36, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,22:16)
I think he maybe comes here to see if it's you?

No doubt. But how pathetic is that?  That is almost Gordon KairosFocus Mullings paranoid.

What he can't do is refute the fact that he is more abusive, arrogant and obnoxious (the three A's, except that one is an O) than anyone (ie, everyone combined) at TSZ.

All he risks at TSZ is ridicule for not being able to defend his opinions in a venue that he doesn't control. That is something that he is too much of a pathetic snivelling coward to allow to happen.

But, on the off chance that he is willing to respond (not likely for such a coward) what are you afraid of?  Honestly debating the issues, or losing site hits (and ad revenue)? The most likely inference is, the latter.

Date: 2015/11/25 19:29:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 23 2015,22:43)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 23 2015,22:16)
I think he maybe comes here to see if it's you?

No doubt. But how pathetic is that?  That is almost Gordon KairosFocus Mullings paranoid.

What he can't do is refute the fact that he is more abusive, arrogant and obnoxious (the three A's, except that one is an O) than anyone (ie, everyone combined) at TSZ.

All he risks at TSZ is ridicule for not being able to defend his opinions in a venue that he doesn't control. That is something that he is too much of a pathetic snivelling coward to allow to happen.

But, on the off chance that he is willing to respond (not likely for such a coward) what are you afraid of?  Honestly debating the issues, or losing site hits (and ad revenue)? The most likely inference is, the latter.

Wait till he finds out that I am also Daniel King. He always uses that name as an example of an ID opponent who has been a long time commenter at UD.

Date: 2015/11/26 09:38:04, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 26 2015,01:16)
Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 25 2015,23:59)
Wait till Barry finds out Wesley is Joe G Virgil Cain.

Or that I was once an atheist, play piano and wear frilly shirts.

You too?

Date: 2015/11/26 17:32:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 26 2015,17:30)
Quote (Cubist @ Nov. 26 2015,15:27)
 
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 26 2015,01:16)
   
Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 25 2015,23:59)
Wait till Barry finds out Wesley is Joe G Virgil Cain.

Or that I was once an atheist, play piano and wear frilly shirts.

[singing] Ohhh… I'm an atheist and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and blaspheme all day! [/singing]

Sounds like you're an amoral, degenerate god-denying type that puts on women's clothing and hangs around in bars.

I'm a lumberjack. But I'm OK.

Date: 2015/11/30 13:36:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 30 2015,13:22)
I think there's a possibility that TSZ could beat UD in traffic within a few years.

Until Barry Arrogant grants another amnesty to up his site hit rate and increase his ad revenue.

Date: 2015/11/30 16:59:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
From Barry's web site:
Quote
I am now a Colorado Christian bankruptcy lawyer / attorney in Centennial, Littleton and Aurora, seeking excellence in all I do.


Does that mean that he is a Christian lawyer who handles bankruptcy, or a lawyer that handles a christian bankruptcy? I think that there would be far more business with the latter.

Date: 2015/12/01 08:19:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Your Tuesday Quiz:

Who said this?
Quote
You patently have had little of any merit to say, and need to pull up your socks or else will be called what you increasingly manifestly are, a SJW style sock puppet and evolutionary materialist scientism and/or fellow traveller troll playing at cultural marxist front group agit prop games using drearily familiar tactics: red herrings dragged across the track of inconvenient truth and led away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, poison and polarise the atmosphere.


a) KairosFocus
b) Gordon Mullings
c) A paranoid sermonizing fool
d) All of the above

Mr. Leathers

Date: 2015/12/01 08:22:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Learned Hand @ Dec. 01 2015,00:47)
Yeah, I said something like, "The pot is calling the kettle unserious." Because of course BA's comments are often at or well below the "schoolyard taunt" level. I regret making the comment, because it unfairly accuses RDFish of such childishness, when in fact he's been engaging on a high level. And yet I wrote it. Presumably BA deleted it. I don't think I'm banned, though, my comments seem to be appearing elsewhere.

But apparently you are being accused of using a sock puppet to double team KF.

Date: 2015/12/01 09:14:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 01 2015,08:55)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 29 2015,10:49)
The whole truth writes:

     
Quote
I didn't ask for a change of status at TSZ and changing my status at TSZ does nothing to address my points about joey and EL.
It does give you the opportunity to raise them there.
     
Quote
I didn't 'out' gordon e. mullings. gordon e. mullings 'outs' gordon e. mullings at his "always linked", etc., etc., etc.
The "outing" rule at TSZ is not going to change.

So, if I promise to not break a rule that I didn't break in the first place, and that other people (including 'moderators') at TSZ break without being warned, banned, and 'premoderated', then you, EL, Neil, Patrick ("we") will de-ban me and "lift the premoderation restriction", eh? How nice. What about johnnyb? Is he going to go along with the rest of you (ask me if I give a fuck)?

"The "outing" rule at TSZ is not going to change."

The "outing" rule was already changed, the "outing" rule was not and is not being enforced as written, I did not 'out' gordon e. mullings, and your saying that the "outing" rule is not going to change does not address my points.

By the way, is it "outing" at TSZ when someone reveals someone else's place of employment, etc., in such a way as this:

"Winston Ewert, a software engineer at Google, Inc., indicates in a new paper that he is affiliated with the Biologic Institute, which is funded primarily by the Discovery Institute. That, in my mind, makes him a public person. Sad to say, the gloves will be coming off. But not in this thread. Here I stick to exposing the most obvious of errors in the claim that the Conservation of Information Theorem applies to nature."?
 

TWT, I really don't know what your issue is. atbc does not have an outing rule (that I know of) so you can do so to your heart's content here. TSZ does have an outing rule, and it is very simple. If a person uses a pseudonym, use the same pseudonym when responding to that person, or when referring to them. Simple.

At TSZ, you are a guest in someone else's house. Behave accordingly or don't accept the invitation.

I try to follow the rules of the blog I post on, admittedly not always successfully. I even do so at UD. Which is easy because I have yet to figure out what their rules are.

Date: 2015/12/01 10:26:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 01 2015,10:22)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 01 2015,07:14)
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 01 2015,08:55)
 
Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 29 2015,10:49)
The whole truth writes:

       
Quote
I didn't ask for a change of status at TSZ and changing my status at TSZ does nothing to address my points about joey and EL.
It does give you the opportunity to raise them there.
       
Quote
I didn't 'out' gordon e. mullings. gordon e. mullings 'outs' gordon e. mullings at his "always linked", etc., etc., etc.
The "outing" rule at TSZ is not going to change.

So, if I promise to not break a rule that I didn't break in the first place, and that other people (including 'moderators') at TSZ break without being warned, banned, and 'premoderated', then you, EL, Neil, Patrick ("we") will de-ban me and "lift the premoderation restriction", eh? How nice. What about johnnyb? Is he going to go along with the rest of you (ask me if I give a fuck)?

"The "outing" rule at TSZ is not going to change."

The "outing" rule was already changed, the "outing" rule was not and is not being enforced as written, I did not 'out' gordon e. mullings, and your saying that the "outing" rule is not going to change does not address my points.

By the way, is it "outing" at TSZ when someone reveals someone else's place of employment, etc., in such a way as this:

"Winston Ewert, a software engineer at Google, Inc., indicates in a new paper that he is affiliated with the Biologic Institute, which is funded primarily by the Discovery Institute. That, in my mind, makes him a public person. Sad to say, the gloves will be coming off. But not in this thread. Here I stick to exposing the most obvious of errors in the claim that the Conservation of Information Theorem applies to nature."?
 

TWT, I really don't know what your issue is. atbc does not have an outing rule (that I know of) so you can do so to your heart's content here. TSZ does have an outing rule, and it is very simple. If a person uses a pseudonym, use the same pseudonym when responding to that person, or when referring to them. Simple.

At TSZ, you are a guest in someone else's house. Behave accordingly or don't accept the invitation.

I try to follow the rules of the blog I post on, admittedly not always successfully. I even do so at UD. Which is easy because I have yet to figure out what their rules are.

"TWT, I really don't know what your issue is."

Then it would be best for you to keep quiet.

Now, that is the way to make friends and influence people.

Date: 2015/12/01 13:02:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 01 2015,12:58)
Joe doing his best Donald Trump:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-590641

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112
Virgil CainDecember 1, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Lost in all of this is the fact that Planned Parenthood could do a better job securing their facilities and providing safety for their clients and their personnel. Any and all facilities that offer abortions and support abortions need to ramp up their security. Have these places resemble militarized zones which should help drive down clientele.

Or better yet, just stop abortions and let’s put those resources behind finding alternatives. It’s 2015 and we haven’t figured out how to prevent unwanted pregnancies. That seems like the best place to put resources. Men have to take more responsibility- fines, jail, public shaming, community service- that should also help.


You got a woman pregnant, now remove trash from the side of that highway!


Joe is the poster-child for what happens when birth control does not work.

Date: 2015/12/01 19:23:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 01 2015,18:40)
I refuse to believe that an omniscient,  omnipotent and benevolent God exists when KF lives on an island dominated by a volcano that has already destroyed over half of the island and yet that disgusting half-wit and massive waste of time is still alive.

But he has met his match with the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I think that he may convert. The question is, is he worthy?

Date: 2015/12/01 19:49:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 01 2015,19:36)
I didn't notice  this at the time, but Kent Hovind was  convicted again last March.  At his original conviction for tax evasion, he was ordered to forfit some properties around Dinoland to pay his tax bill.  He was specifically ordered not to file any legal actions to cloud the title, so of course he did.  No idea what his new sentence was.  Strapped to a chair and forced to listen to KairosFocus discuss fishing reels maybe.

Thankfully, there are laws against cruel and unusual punishment.

Date: 2015/12/01 23:45:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
After two failed attempts to arouse outrage over a teacher who had the audacity of using God in a critical thinking exercise, and closing comments on both, Gordon Mullings (aka KairosFocus) posts a FYI/FTR OP (comments off, of course) on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Paranoid Delusions

He starts, of course, with his paranoid conspiracy theory about attacks from objector sites. It only gets more entertaining from there.


Quote
As just noted, a discussion thread on responding to abuse of the privilege of developing and implementing curriculum has been trollishly hijacked in what looks like an escalation of the tactics coming from a circle of objector sites. At the end, on a topic dealing with 12 year olds, sexually tinged vulgarity has been injected by word plays on a participant’s handle in an attempt to trigger a spiral to the gutter.

Date: 2015/12/02 08:52:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 02 2015,00:40)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 01 2015,23:45)
After two failed attempts to arouse outrage over a teacher who had the audacity of using God in a critical thinking exercise, and closing comments on both, Gordon Mullings (aka KairosFocus) posts a FYI/FTR OP (comments off, of course) on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/fyi-ftr-addressing-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-fsm-parody-on-the-idea-of-god-in-philosoph


y-of-religion-and-systematic-theology/]Paranoid Delusions[/URL]

He starts, of course, with his paranoid conspiracy theory about attacks from objector sites. It only gets more entertaining from there.


 
Quote
As just noted, a discussion thread on responding to abuse of the privilege of developing and implementing curriculum has been trollishly hijacked in what looks like an escalation of the tactics coming from a circle of objector sites. At the end, on a topic dealing with 12 year olds, sexually tinged vulgarity has been injected by word plays on a participant’s handle in an attempt to trigger a spiral to the gutter.

Gordon's had quite a delightful meltdown there, and gone full-censor. The problem is he just regurgitates the same old phrases - he's Chubby Joe with a bigger vocabulary.No one takes him seriously. Sobering indeed...

And another comments off OP to further clutch at pearls.

Paranoid Delusions

I know one commenter that has been banned, and I expect that Pro Hac Vice and Yaschobob have been as well. But,it was extremely fun while it lasted.

Date: 2015/12/02 11:03:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Dec. 02 2015,10:07)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 01 2015,23:45)
After two failed attempts to arouse outrage over a teacher who had the audacity of using God in a critical thinking exercise, and closing comments on both, Gordon Mullings (aka KairosFocus) posts a FYI/FTR OP (comments off, of course) on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Paranoid Delusions

He starts, of course, with his paranoid conspiracy theory about attacks from objector sites. It only gets more entertaining from there.


   
Quote
As just noted, a discussion thread on responding to abuse of the privilege of developing and implementing curriculum has been trollishly hijacked in what looks like an escalation of the tactics coming from a circle of objector sites. At the end, on a topic dealing with 12 year olds, sexually tinged vulgarity has been injected by word plays on a participant’s handle in an attempt to trigger a spiral to the gutter.

The whole thing is brilliant!

   
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Since the Flying Spaghetti Monster is physical it is subject to the absorption and deflection of light particles and is therefore visible and particularly hued. Bobby Henderson did claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is “invisible and can pass through normal matter” and so either Bobby Henderson is a false prophet or the Flying Spaghetti Monster knows how to traverse dimensions. Since the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s physical body consists of spaghetti and meatballs the constituents of the godhead are as follows: eggs, salt and pepper, flour, water, beef and or pork, basil, parsley, mushrooms, bread crumbs, oil, etc.

Since these physical entities must have, by necessity, preexisted the Flying Spaghetti Monster it cannot be the uncaused first cause.

It's a mystery!


--
Edited to fix link.

It is al very amusing. Jack jones makes comments such as this:
Quote
Ladies and Gentlemen, Brain dead bob is arguing against God...

Brain Dead Bob, Why are you so stupid?

You have shown your stupidity and what a failure you are, that is all.

Poor bob, What a fool he is.

Why do you have to lie to cover up your failure?... That is stupid.

Indeed they are, You should go and play with your toys because you are not big enough to talk with the adults.

Why are you such a walking contradiction Larry?

And not a word from Gordon Mullings on trollish behaviour. But one commenter uses a juxtaposition of two words,
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Jack, off of your earlier comment @103:

Now Jack, off to the more serious point.

Jack, off of these points we might see FSM...

And Jack, off of these ideas the realization should sink in...


and Mullings melts down. Too funny.

Date: 2015/12/02 15:20:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (LarTanner @ Dec. 02 2015,14:37)
Two fewer instances of "Jack" near "off" and the post might have sailed through without incident. I shouldn't have been greedy: I had other lascivious bits in there.

In my defense, for someone as vile and nasty as Jack Jones (i.e., his online persona), penis and sex imagery are the most dignified and effective manner of response.

I probably didn't help by bolding those two words and asking you if it was too subtle. But it did result in Mullings closing comments on another thread, and posting four additional OPs to explain how bad we are. Comments off, of course.

I wonder if he has ever had a sense of humour.

Date: 2015/12/02 15:28:50, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 02 2015,15:20)
Quote (LarTanner @ Dec. 02 2015,14:37)
Two fewer instances of "Jack" near "off" and the post might have sailed through without incident. I shouldn't have been greedy: I had other lascivious bits in there.

In my defense, for someone as vile and nasty as Jack Jones (i.e., his online persona), penis and sex imagery are the most dignified and effective manner of response.

I probably didn't help by bolding those two words and asking you if it was too subtle. But it did result in Mullings closing comments on another thread, and posting four additional OPs to explain how bad we are. Comments off, of course.

I wonder if he has ever had a sense of humour.

My mistake. Five additional comments off OPs. Are we approaching a record here?

Date: 2015/12/03 08:28:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 02 2015,15:28)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 02 2015,15:20)
Quote (LarTanner @ Dec. 02 2015,14:37)
Two fewer instances of "Jack" near "off" and the post might have sailed through without incident. I shouldn't have been greedy: I had other lascivious bits in there.

In my defense, for someone as vile and nasty as Jack Jones (i.e., his online persona), penis and sex imagery are the most dignified and effective manner of response.

I probably didn't help by bolding those two words and asking you if it was too subtle. But it did result in Mullings closing comments on another thread, and posting four additional OPs to explain how bad we are. Comments off, of course.

I wonder if he has ever had a sense of humour.

My mistake. Five additional comments off OPs. Are we approaching a record here?

Six and counting.

Date: 2015/12/03 15:50:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Our buddies Joe G/Frankie/Virgil Caine and Robert Byers have each hosted an OP at TSZ on the same day.

#%2/&!##

The Great Flood Didit

Date: 2015/12/04 10:11:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 03 2015,08:28)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 02 2015,15:28)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 02 2015,15:20)
 
Quote (LarTanner @ Dec. 02 2015,14:37)
Two fewer instances of "Jack" near "off" and the post might have sailed through without incident. I shouldn't have been greedy: I had other lascivious bits in there.

In my defense, for someone as vile and nasty as Jack Jones (i.e., his online persona), penis and sex imagery are the most dignified and effective manner of response.

I probably didn't help by bolding those two words and asking you if it was too subtle. But it did result in Mullings closing comments on another thread, and posting four additional OPs to explain how bad we are. Comments off, of course.

I wonder if he has ever had a sense of humour.

My mistake. Five additional comments off OPs. Are we approaching a record here?

Six and counting.

Up to seven. But at least this one allows comments. For now.

Copy Paste Repeat

Date: 2015/12/08 09:34:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2015,19:45)
He's a fucking *expert* on everything:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-

islamist-terrorism/#comment-591461]http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-591461[/URL]

from the makers of "Nuke Tripwire" FFS.

Edits to fix link.

That is an interesting thread. They are at 150 comments but I think I can summarize the idea in a few words.

Muslim, bad. Christian, good.

Now, how this Serves the Intelligent Design Community, I am having a hard time grasping. Maybe Gordon (KairosFocus) Mullings could enlighten me.

Date: 2015/12/08 13:02:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (LarTanner @ Dec. 08 2015,11:59)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2015,19:45)
He's a fucking *expert* on everything:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-


islamist-terrorism/#comment-591461]http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-591461[/URL]

from the makers of "Nuke Tripwire" FFS.

Edits to fix link.

I always wonder what would happen if people like KF could travel back in time/space to meet Jesus, Isaiah, Plato, etc.

I think he'd be beyond disappointment and actually refuse to accept that this smelly short dude was the same Jesus for whom he'd clogged the Internet.

But his disappointment would pale when compared to the disappointment of Jesus, Plato, Newton, etc. when they see who is promoting them in the 21st century.

Date: 2015/12/08 18:09:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 08 2015,17:20)
In message 136 of the 'Developing news' thread, Brent accidently tells the truth:    
Quote
Your question is really akin to asking why a madman murderer is of less value than a Jew or a Christian.

I suppose that sounds very inciteful, but read on.

Yes!  Not insightful, but inciting to violence.

Yup. Brent exudes a special kind of hate.

Date: 2015/12/08 20:14:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
This guy isn't long for UD. Telling Gordon Mullings that he is full of shit does not go over well. I am just disappointed that he isn't one of my socks.

Quote
And you are still full of shit. You can keep censoring me for “vulgarity”. But the biggest vulgarity is when you claim that anyone who disagrees with you is enabling terrorists. That is offensive, stupid, and not supported by anything I have said. If you can argue against my points, do so. But stop enabling anti Muslim hatred in the name of kairosFocus’ ego.

Date: 2015/12/08 20:16:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2015,20:14)
This guy isn't long for UD. Telling Gordon Mullings that he is full of shit does not go over well. I am just disappointed that he isn't one of my socks.

Quote
And you are still full of shit. You can keep censoring me for “vulgarity”. But the biggest vulgarity is when you claim that anyone who disagrees with you is enabling terrorists. That is offensive, stupid, and not supported by anything I have said. If you can argue against my points, do so. But stop enabling anti Muslim hatred in the name of kairosFocus’ ego.

Comment 165

More Gordon (KairosFocus) nonsense

Date: 2015/12/09 10:59:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 09 2015,10:12)
And as for "Given the religiously motivated ideology problem, Mosques should be routinely, random sample monitored, and clerics also; there is abundant evidence of prior concern — such is not a matter of blind fishing expeditions. Signs of radicalism call for focussed monitoring and prompt intervention."

Replace "Mosque" with "Church" and watch his hemorrhoids explode.

Their is also abundant evidence of prior concern for pedophile priests.

Date: 2015/12/09 12:24:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mullings:
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KH, You now have a language warning, over one of the seven words. KF

I wonder what word that was?

Date: 2015/12/09 14:12:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 09 2015,12:52)
I think he's been reading too many Tom Clancy novels to Mr. Leathers.

I think that he is just a paranoid nut-job.

Date: 2015/12/09 15:27:20, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
KG comment 193
Quote
PS: Whether by parliaments or courts, we don’t get to define marriage, which is locked to our biology of reproduction and child nurture needs. The presumption that we can say a few magic words and contemptuously sweep away something embedded in creation order is a pretty good indicator of how deeply delusional, endarkened, clouded, benumbed, bewitched and reprobate in mind and heart we have collectively become. Our march of folly on this as on so many other matters, will end over the cliff.

Maybe same-sex marriage is just another jihadist tactic to destroy the Great Satan.

Date: 2015/12/10 17:10:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 10 2015,08:00)
What he on about? Is he describing security protocols for holding the next G-8 Summit?

Say good bye to Kenneth Hughs. There is no way that Gordon Mullings will let this slide without pulling out Mr. Leathers.
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KF: “KH Your attempted reductio makes as much sense as would general shutting down electricity, phone or sales of acetone, hydrogen peroxide and muriatic acid or diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate fertiliser or gasoline or whatever because terrs can use them. Rhetorical fail. KF”

But more sense than your list at 185. You are obviously willing to give up many of your freedoms to achieve a false perception of security, but not willing to give up a service that we know will have a negative impact on terrorism.

We survived quite comfortably in the 80s, before the Internet had any significant proliferation. If this jihad is as serious as you say, shouldn’t we also take this step?

Obviously, I am using an absurdity to point out how absurd your reccomendations are. But, enacting the nonsense that you suggest is nothing more than walling ourselves off and labelling any outsider as a serious threat. Frankly, I am not prepared to live that way. Obviously you are. But please, restrict those actions to your little island. The rest of us are not interested.

Date: 2015/12/11 20:37:43, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 11 2015,07:42)
same thread

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257
Kenneth HughsDecember 10, 2015 at 7:43 pm
KF: “KH, avoiding foul language is a matter of common decency. KF

PS: If you cannot judge appropriate language, it is a sign that you likely cannot judge appropriate response to issues of greater moment.”

Translation: “I can’t answer the question so I will just insult the questioner”

Get off your pulpit and simply answer the question. What would have been the appropriate security for my daughter’s wedding? I will give you a little more background. It took place when Canada was actively bombing ISIS targets, and Canada had been actively named by ISIS as a legitimate target.

You can answer the question or you can continue to avoid it. Your choice.


Quote
258
kairosfocusDecember 10, 2015 at 8:31 pm
KH, you confirmed the problem. As a simple suggestion, scroll up and look at CY’s response to DS and mine also, esp on a church service. Then scale up to the discussion of a range of real world cases. G’night. KF


Quote
259
Kenneth HughsDecember 10, 2015 at 8:52 pm
KF: “KH, you confirmed the problem. As a simple suggestion, scroll up and look at CY’s response to DS and mine also, esp on a church service. Then scale up to the discussion of a range of real world cases. G’night. KF”

So, you are avoiding the question. Good to know. But the question still stands. What security measures would have been warranted for my daughter’s wedding? Keep in mind, there have been attacks at weddings.

Please answer or admit that you are just fear mongering.

Or ban me. Which appears to be your favoured approach.

Kenneth Hughs has been silent lately. Does anyone know why this could be?

Date: 2015/12/13 00:19:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Mullings being Mullings:

Quote
138
kairosfocusDecember 12, 2015 at 11:31 pm
GE, consider yourself as under sole, final warning as at 135. KF


Is that like Dean Wormer's double secret probation of Delta house? Mullings must have GE quaking in his boots.

Date: 2015/12/13 10:47:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Dec. 13 2015,05:53)
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 13 2015,01:41)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 11 2015,08:54)
       
Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 10 2015,16:02)

He's hardly destructive.  He has a readership of dozens, and quite a lot of them are us.  While I wouldn't like to be his neighbor or relative*, Gordon's shed institute has as much influence on global culture and politics as Joe's shed laboratory has on global science.




* Note for Gordon, because I know you'll probably read this: no, this isn't a Mafia-style threat on your family, or whatever ludicrous rhetoric you're using this week.  It's an expression of sympathy for the associates of a loony.

"He's hardly destructive."

I disagree. gordo has two children and a wife, although I don't see his wife as one of his victims because she chose to marry him. He was and is also involved with teaching ruining other children with his destructive insanity, and he butts into the governance of Montserrat, Jamaica, etc., and he's involved with at least one church in Montserrat. Plus, his destructive spewage at UD, his blogs, and at other websites is 'ammunition' (I was going to say comfort and aid but that's too weak) that religious lunatics like him use in their 'war' against science, education, freedom, truth, and decency. He's an enabler and pusher of some of the most destructive dogma that the world has ever suffered. In my opinion he's an abusive, destructive monster, just like his imaginary 'God'.

IMO KF is irrelevant even for the ID movement or open creationist. Besides those of you who engaged in discussons exchanges with him I cannot really remember anybody discussing with him at UD. I guess even the other IDiots don't really read his posts or comments and the reactions we observe from BA77 are just reflexes induced by some buzz words he finds in KF's writing. If he were that influential on his island he wouldn't have so much time to waste at UD and his own blogs. And why should anybody outside of Montserrat care?

I agree, it is impossible to have a "discussion" with KF. It tried several times before I was banned and they all resulted in him taking offence at me disagreeing with him and blocking my comments on his threads. Although entertaining, it was ultimately a waste of time. I now limit my interactions with Millings to watching how he melts down when others take him on.

Date: 2015/12/14 18:46:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Comedy Gold.

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KF: “ The circumstances of the USA make civilian marshals a reasonable option, and I am sure relevant authorities scan the web enough that any needed pickup will happen.”

Thank you for the biggest laugh I have had in years. I admit to having a fairly big ego, but to think that the US (or your tiny island government) takes your ideas seriously is seriously delusional.

I apologize for being this direct, but I thought a serious corrective was warranted.

Date: 2015/12/14 22:18:13, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 14 2015,22:10)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 14 2015,16:46)
Comedy Gold.

   
Quote
KF: “ The circumstances of the USA make civilian marshals a reasonable option, and I am sure relevant authorities scan the web enough that any needed pickup will happen.”

Thank you for the biggest laugh I have had in years. I admit to having a fairly big ego, but to think that the US (or your tiny island government) takes your ideas seriously is seriously delusional.

I apologize for being this direct, but I thought a serious corrective was warranted.

Devastating rejoinder:
 
Quote
Enough of red herrings led away to strawman caricatures laced with ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere
(...40 feet of the usual nonsense deleted - JW)

That should settle the matter.

To be followed by:
Quote
All, to be lost in the mocking laugh, I suppose, along with the cynical dismissal of the Christian faith and its foundational ethical theism. Never mind that after centuries of debate, there is only one serious candidate IS to ground OUGHT: the inherently good creator God, a necessary and maximally great being worthy of loyalty and the reasonable service of doing the good in accord with our nature.


Not to be out done by the following shout:

Quote
(AND GE, YOUR EARLY CYNICAL GAMBIT TO TRY TO DEFLECT THE EXPOSURE OF THE HABITUAL RESORT TO THE TRIFECTA FALLACY OF DISTRACT, DISTORT DENIGRATE, STANDS EXPOSED FOR ITS INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL BANKRUPTCY.)


And:

Quote
It is noteworthy that objectors, obviously coming from the circle of anti_ID sites,


All of this interspersed with classic Mullings paranoia.

Date: 2015/12/16 13:09:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 16 2015,12:16)
More from Gordon's gun porn thread:
Quote
Beyond that, the very fact that you demand to know things that you ought not in public, online in a context of known hostile online monitoring and on the ground stalking of family (I guess you likely were not told about that part in the penumbra of attack sites), and it is obvious that at best your rhetoric is gravely ill advised.

You demand about what is none of your business, which you full well must know, and would be best advised to back off.

Good to know that despite the vast network of ATBC agents staking him out in Montserrat, he's still able to provide advice to the anti-terrorist agencies of the world.  I'm sure it's appreciated.

He has definitely fried my irony meter. He provides a step-by-step process for hardening soft targets, right down to the model of weapons to be employed, and then claims that providing an estimate of the number civilian marshals required to secure LA would undermine security.

This is providing me hours of entertainment.

Date: 2015/12/17 10:01:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Dec. 16 2015,22:56)
Quote
458 kairosfocus December 16, 2015 at 8:19 pm
The community defends itself, where it is, with people basically already there. KF

Next he will ask for Volkssturm and Wehrwolf to be prepared when those islamists have taken over Montserrat.

Yup. Give everybody a gun. But only the Christians. And maybe the Jews.

His comments get better every day.

Date: 2015/12/17 12:49:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
I have another question about the idea of an armed population. Would Muslim citizens under your scheme have the same right to own and carry guns as every other citizen?


Ouch! That was hitting below the belt. Mulling's response should be priceless, full of his strawman ad hominem, boiled in oil of red herring nonsense.

Date: 2015/12/19 09:19:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
And NSF Grant DBI-1300426 is a $12 million+ grant for the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis, which told the NSF it would "provide scientific insights into problems such as the control of invasive species, limiting impacts of infectious diseases, and suggesting new methods for drug design."


I think "invasive species" and "infectious disease" describe ID quite well. So it appears that the funding was appropriately used.

Date: 2015/12/20 13:48:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Dec. 20 2015,05:39)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-

islamist-terrorism/#comment-593156]kf claims[/URL]:

     
Quote
CY, I see where as part of a warning about a jihadi blitz coming, “Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF

I couldn't find any sources where Hans-Georg Maasen claimed such a thing. I think he might be refering to the [URL=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335489/ISIS-radicals-planning-terror-attacks-Europe-entering-continent-hidden-migrants-says-Germa

n-police-chief.html]daily mail article[/URL]. However daily mail is not talking about 8000 ISIS fighters entering Germnay, but 8000 radical islamists ("Salafisten") living in Germany (which is true). There's nothing illegal about joining the "Salafisten".

Apparently GE saw the same article.
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KF: ““Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF”

Not even half true. In fact, only 1/1000 true. And for all of Europe, not just Germany. European authorities have identified eight assylum seekers trying to enter Europe on forged passports similar to the one found on one of the dead Paris attackers. Eight in all of Europe is a far cry from 8000 in Germany alone.

What the chief said was that they were aware of 8000 radical Islamists currently living in Germany. He didn’t say when they entered, where they came from, if they entered as refugees, if they entered through normal immigration channels, or if they were born in Germany. And he certainly didnt say that they were ISIS fighters. That is a far cry from saying that 8000 ISIS fighters have entered Germany through the refugee system.

It is the dissemination of misquoted and irresponsible statements like the one posted by KF, without any attempt to check the facts, that spreads unnecessary fear and spawns hatred. And, even worse, it slows down or stops the provision of necessary support for thousands of innocent people who are suffering. Some might argue that KF posting this false statement is enabling the suffering of thousands of suffering people. Not intentionally, but through a lack of duty of care to the truth.

Date: 2015/12/21 11:47:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
GE, you already have a source and you have far more than enough to make it clear that the major militant problem in Europe today is ISIS connected. (It is amazing that this direct implication given context seems to have been made into a pretext for a false accusation of lying; that speaks volumes — again.) It seems this thread has now outlived reasonableness. KF[Thread Closed]


Well, that's one way to be sure to get the last word.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-

islamist-terrorism/#comment-593258]Comment 520[/URL]

Date: 2015/12/21 21:28:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 21 2015,20:26)
[Thread Closed]  In English, that means even KairosFocus realizes he's made a fool of himself.

Hmmm, claiming that 8000 ISIS soldiers entered Germany as refugees versus the reality of eight entering all of Europe. What does he have to be embarrassed about? But I am sure that he can save face by banning GE and DaveS. But, I am sure that he is not immature enough to fall back on that bullshit.

Date: 2015/12/22 00:31:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
I am new to this subject. Could you please point me to some ID research?


OK. Who is trying to get their sock accepted at UD?

Date: 2015/12/22 22:26:53, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Banny Arrogant.
Quote
Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.


Good bye Tiger131. You lasted longer than many of us.

Date: 2015/12/26 21:51:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Quack @ Dec. 26 2015,12:33)
A little late but a Merry Xmas to Ray M., Robert B., FL, Sal  and the others as well. It ought to be possible to lay down arms for a little while at Yuletide, in the firm knowledge that as soon as it is over those among us all so inclined may be at eachothers throat again.

(Ducking.)

A Christmas day purge by Barry of anyone who remotely disagreed with him. I was immediately banned (Paul Sussman) when I made the statement that anyone who uses the term "Speaks volumes", speaks volumes about the person who uses it. Apparently, that is ban worthy.

Date: 2015/12/31 15:21:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 21 2015,11:47)
Quote
GE, you already have a source and you have far more than enough to make it clear that the major militant problem in Europe today is ISIS connected. (It is amazing that this direct implication given context seems to have been made into a pretext for a false accusation of lying; that speaks volumes — again.) It seems this thread has now outlived reasonableness. KF[Thread Closed]


Well, that's one way to be sure to get the last word.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-


islamist-terrorism/#comment-593258]Comment 520[/URL]

Quote
[GE, you owe me an apology on a false accusation of lying. Game over.KF]


Apparently falsely claiming that 8000 ISIS entered Germany as Syrian refugees is not a lie. I really have to get myself a new dictionary.

Date: 2015/12/31 15:41:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Proof positive that Barry Arrington has absolutely no sense of humour.

Laugh a little, Barry

I almost wish that I didn't have my last sock banned.

Date: 2016/01/05 14:53:55, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 05 2016,10:28)
Got bored of poking at kairosfocus, but Ken_M picked up the slack.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....feynman

And, Gordon Mullings responds it typical KairosFocus fashion.
Quote
K_M: Why is it that so many objectors to design theory routinely — even, habitually — resort to red herrings, led away to strawmen caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight that cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere?

Date: 2016/01/05 20:24:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Error: Time limit is exhausted. Please enter CAPTCHA value again. Click the BACK button on your browser, and try again.


UD Newspeak for "you're outta here".

Date: 2016/01/06 15:55:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 05 2016,14:53)
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 05 2016,10:28)
Got bored of poking at kairosfocus, but Ken_M picked up the slack.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....feynman

And, Gordon Mullings responds it typical KairosFocus fashion.
Quote
K_M: Why is it that so many objectors to design theory routinely — even, habitually — resort to red herrings, led away to strawmen caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight that cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere?

Quote
K-M:

I will write just once, for record.

You just proved what you are, a trollish agitator unable or unwilling to acknowledge a major and longstanding deep-seated problem of abusive behaviour by objectors to design theory; backed by enabling behaviour of the more genteel . . . some of whom com across as unwilling to confront the abusers because their feral fury will predictably turn on them if they do so.

Let him who chooses to ride a tiger beware the consequences.

The abuse I point to includes cyberstalking and on the ground stalking, as well as the now increasingly common alinskyite/ cultural marxist agit-prop tactics and linked nihilist, amoral factionalism and bigotry — warned against 2350 years ago by Plato as consequences of the rise of evolutionary materialist ideologies — that are wreaking havoc all over our civilisation.

You need to be told that you are a part of the problem, not the solution . . .


And I always though that I was part of the solution.

Date: 2016/01/06 18:08:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 06 2016,17:45)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 06 2016,15:55)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 05 2016,14:53)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 05 2016,10:28)
Got bored of poking at kairosfocus, but Ken_M picked up the slack.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....feynman

And, Gordon Mullings responds it typical KairosFocus fashion.
 
Quote
K_M: Why is it that so many objectors to design theory routinely — even, habitually — resort to red herrings, led away to strawmen caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight that cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere?

 
Quote
K-M:

I will write just once, for record.

You just proved what you are, a trollish agitator unable or unwilling to acknowledge a major and longstanding deep-seated problem of abusive behaviour by objectors to design theory; backed by enabling behaviour of the more genteel . . . some of whom com across as unwilling to confront the abusers because their feral fury will predictably turn on them if they do so.

Let him who chooses to ride a tiger beware the consequences.

The abuse I point to includes cyberstalking and on the ground stalking, as well as the now increasingly common alinskyite/ cultural marxist agit-prop tactics and linked nihilist, amoral factionalism and bigotry — warned against 2350 years ago by Plato as consequences of the rise of evolutionary materialist ideologies — that are wreaking havoc all over our civilisation.

You need to be told that you are a part of the problem, not the solution . . .


And I always though that I was part of the solution.

No, you're a precipitate.

You mean, like a crystal? I wonder if it has more entropy than an equal mass of brain.

Date: 2016/01/06 20:59:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Lethean @ Jan. 06 2016,20:15)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 06 2016,19:43)
Gordo:              
Quote
The abuse I point to includes cyberstalking and on the ground stalking, as well as the now increasingly common alinskyite/ cultural marxist agit-prop tactics and linked nihilist, amoral factionalism and bigotry —

I refuse to believe that anybody has flown/sailed/floated/washed up on the shore or otherwise traveled thousands of miles to Monserrat in order to harass Kairosfocus.  I'm probably the only one here who has ever seriously thought of travelling to that island for any reason.  

The only thing keeping me from going is the mortal dread of being stranded on a tiny island with a foaming-at-the-mouth nut job who who absolutely insists on talking (at GREAT length!) about Jesus, His Mighty Works and the Holy Entropy of Fishing Reels when the next plane outta there is three days away.

Bydand!


I got five bucks that says he found a cigarette butt and a weathered half page of some kid's science homework three blocks from his home.

I can see how being a big fish in a small pond can have its rewards. But being a miniscule, completely ignore fish in a small pond must be a huge blow to a huge ego.

Date: 2016/01/10 10:34:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Has anybody else noticed that UD has significantly reduced the amount of time that you have to complete a comment? I keep getting a timeout error if I spend more that 30 seconds.

Date: 2016/01/10 10:51:05, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 10 2016,10:34)
Has anybody else noticed that UD has significantly reduced the amount of time that you have to complete a comment? I keep getting a timeout error if I spend more that 30 seconds.

On second thought, since I have noticed this, I have not seen any posts by bornagain77. For that alone, I am willing to put up with the inconvenience. If only the new comment limitation would also prevent Mullings from posting thousand word comments.

Date: 2016/01/11 07:03:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 11 2016,02:42)
I don't think the timer accounts for BA77 - how long does it take to go 'paste-post'? KF figured that one. It's aimed to reduce the number of people who actually type something.

It appears to be working. The number of comments has dropped off significantly.

Date: 2016/01/18 13:51:36, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 18 2016,12:40)
The Disco'tutes banned from United Methodist conference.

Heheheh

Hmmm. People being banned simply because they disagree? This sounds vaguely familiar. Where have I seen something like this happening before?....

Date: 2016/01/18 14:04:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 17 2016,22:04)
O'Dreary:            
Quote
17 News January 16, 2016 at 10:39 am

Housekeeping note: I spoke to the webmaster, and it may be that the captcha arithmetic test doesn’t now need to be refreshed so often. Wd appreciate feedback.

The captcha test doesn't now need to be refreshed so often?  As if it once did?  Did UD try to do some intelligent designing to get rid of a sock they found annoying?  If so, they probably knocked out most of their own commenters.  Remember how quiet it was for a couple days back then?

Of course, it might just be O'Leary struggling with her native language.

That message is in the Sal Cordova Withdraws from the ID Movement thread, which I find very depressing reading.  Barry seems to despise Sal as much as Mung does.  It's dispiriting to find you have anything in common with those two.

But it is rather amusing to see some IDists criticizing Barry (although very quietly) about posting an OP criticizing Sal knowing full well that Sal can't respond because Barry banned him.

Also, has anyone seen BA77? He has not graced the pages of UD for several days now.

Date: 2016/01/18 20:42:37, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 18 2016,19:41)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 18 2016,19:09)
@Acartia_Bogart Re BA77:  He posted a while ago under a different nom de dumb, but I forget what it was.  No idea why he changed it.  Maybe Barry banned the old one.  After all, he hates Sal, so why not BA77?  He's still active on Facebook under Phillip Cunningham.

Could be that Barry decided ban all of the truly embarrassing IDiots.  

No, that can't be true, because Barry and Denyse are still there, along with, well, a bunch of other clueless IDiots.

Glen Davidson

Are you referring to Mung, Mapou, KairosLackofFocus and Virgil? I never would have guessed.

Date: 2016/01/20 14:14:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 20 2016,11:20)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 20 2016,06:59)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2016,18:48)
 
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 19 2016,20:25)
Joe, tell your socks to stop appending a hyphen to a preceding word. That's your style! :D

Joe, are you aware that "Frankie" posted YOUR material without attribution?

Or is it OK when someone who doesn't exist steals stuff from you?

Virgil Cain's doing it.  Why shouldn't Frankie?

Virgil and Frankie are just the entailments that wag the dog.

And Joe is the material that comes out of the orifice at the base of the tail.

Date: 2016/01/20 17:00:17, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 20 2016,16:42)
More butt-hurt from the Disco'tutes.

:p

I must be missing something here. DI and UD seem to have their knickers in a knot for not being allowed to present their science (no religion here) at a religious conference. I wonder if Dawkins, or Moran, or Gould, or any other evolutionary scientist would be as upset as the DI and UD are if they were told that they were not allowed to have a table at a religious conference? Somehow, I think not.

Date: 2016/01/23 10:47:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon (kairosfocus) Mullings got my hopes up with the following post:
Quote
BA77 often posts clips of citations and links here at UD. After a recent noticeable break (we missed you), he has just posted a link to a video on objections to prof Dawkins’ claims that FOXP 2 (let me be exact) etc trees give the same structure:


So, I followed up on the just posted link and found out the it was posted in April 2014. Maybe Gordo has invented a time machine.

link

Date: 2016/01/26 09:25:52, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (DiEb @ Jan. 26 2016,06:15)
They put a remarkable amount of time and effort in it. It is most beautiful to see how they fail to gather a big media storm: The UMC is doing the right thing, as there is no press-release, but  only private correspondence with the DI.

Here are my thoughts on their latest stunt - a poll:

OMG - The Discovery Institute is Committing Censorship!!!11!!1!

The link to your web-site that was posted at UD does not work.

Date: 2016/01/26 17:03:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 26 2016,15:24)
Torley seems to have figured out why the Methodists should have let the DI set up a table.  John Wesley opposed the toleration of  atheists and  Catholics, thus the Methodists should embrace the intolerance and demonization of "Darwinists" (as atheists) that the DI espouses.

Not quite how he puts it, but isn't that the logic of his appalling post?

Glen Davidson

Sorry, life is too short to wade through his post.

Date: 2016/01/28 22:49:38, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mullings just got spanked.

Quote
KF, don’t pretend to lecture me about math. I have been doing it for a living longer than you have been alive. And I learned many years ago how to detect bullshit dressed up as lace by people who really don’t know their head from their ass (figuratively speaking).

Both you and DS are spewing nonsense that you both think is profound. Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how much perfume you spray on it.

I apologize for being so blunt but I think it is warranted given the comments posted here.




Comment 81

Date: 2016/01/29 17:23:09, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 29 2016,07:54)
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 28 2016,23:44)

It's Friday isn't it?

So much for Gordon's claim that he does not have the ability to ban people.

Date: 2016/01/31 10:13:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 31 2016,08:59)
did BatShit77 get raptured or something?

I suspect a bannination. All the evidence is there. He stops commenting. Several commenters ask if he was banned. Barry remains silent on the subject.

Classic Arrington.

Date: 2016/01/31 15:44:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 31 2016,13:34)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 31 2016,11:13)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 31 2016,08:59)
did BatShit77 get raptured or something?

I suspect a bannination. All the evidence is there. He stops commenting. Several commenters ask if he was banned. Barry remains silent on the subject.

Classic Arrington.

why would he get banned though?

Maybe he finally realized that BA77 is more embarrassing than he is worth. Or maybe it was simply to save cost on server space.

Date: 2016/02/02 22:58:08, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 02 2016,21:34)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 02 2016,18:17)
Evolution: Still A Theory in Crisis

Eternal crisis, if history is any guide.

I wonder what QBDHMYJH stands for?  It'll get you 30% off.

And only $7.15 in Kindle.

Date: 2016/02/03 17:52:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Barfy Arrogant is in the process of writing several reviews of Denton's new rehash of his old book ($7:15 from Amazon).

The first one is here. Barry spewage

Now that he has banned all but an amputee's handful of opponents, I wonder what we can expect in response. Mullings bowing in deference? Virgil lubricating his lips? Louis (Mapou) leading the charge at the lack of opposition? BA77 wondering why Barry banned him?  

Or maybe he will have to grant another "amnesty" to get his hit rates up.

Date: 2016/02/06 09:48:45, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 06 2016,01:08)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Feb. 03 2016,17:52)
Barfy Arrogant is in the process of writing several reviews of Denton's new rehash of his old book ($7:15 from Amazon).

The first one is here. Barry spewage

Barry:      
Quote
That record does not show, as Darwin suggested, a finely graduated organic chain between major Types.  Instead, it shows abrupt appearance of various Types followed by stasis.  Again, using the pentadactyl limb as an example, Denton has no doubt that the limb evolved from the fins of fish.  Yet the fossil record simply does not support the view that the evolution of the limb from the fin occurred gradually over eons of time.  The fossil record is instead conspicuous for the absence of transitional forms from fish fin to pentadactyl limb.  

Does Barry live in a universe where Tiktaalik fossils don't exist?  What the hell does he think all the fuss was about when they were discovered?  

Barry, we don't ask you to become an expert archaeologist just to comment on a book, but could you at least be dimly aware of the science involved?

I think you are wrong here. Barry is absolutely very, very, very dimly aware of the science he talks about.

Date: 2016/02/13 09:05:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 12 2016,17:34)
Over at his blog Mapou explains why gravity waves are bollocks...

 
Quote
Gravity affects everything that exists equally regardless of mass and this includes massless particles. Both Newton and Galileo understood this centuries ago, even though relativists claim that they are the ones who figured it out. Go figure.

The problem is that this undeniable principle means that gravity also affect gravitational waves. Since these waves affect themselves, they either cancel themselves out or amplify themselves recursively. The same objection applies to so-called curved space and to hypothetical intermediary particles such as gravitons. In other words, if it exists, regardless of its mass, gravity affects it. The infinite self-referential regress is too painful to even contemplate.


So it's kinda like when you're a tad cavalier with the feedback knob on your guitar pedal. Or not. Whatever.

A certain Jeffrey Gaulynski lends encouragement in the comments section...



Be sure to visit his blog and discover (among other things) that Mercury is a dead star.

I wonder is souls are affected by gravity. Or God.

Date: 2016/02/13 09:22:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus)
Quote
. . . it seems to be attempting well-poisoning as dismissal on a poisoned strawman caricature set alight with incendiary rhetoric fuelled by obvious resentment of God as just judge and loving creator who redeems by the self sacrifice of the incarnate Son.


Gordon at his spewing best in his recent OP at UD.

It always amazes me how religious nut-jobs (not all religious people are nut jobs, but Gordo qualifies) deny the evilness of the God they worship, as it is written in the bible.

Gordo would have no problem labelling an African warlord "evil" if he put a gun in a kid's hands and told him to shoot his father to demonstrate his loyalty to the cause. But when his beloved God instructs someone to kill his son, to demonstrate his loyalty to God, that is OK.

Date: 2016/02/16 16:38:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 16 2016,14:57)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 16 2016,12:03)
Dateline 2035:

Discovery Institute spokesperson, Casey Luskin Jr., published his first book, "Revisiting Traipsing Into Evolution Again - Part 4 (Why Judge Jones is a Denebian Slime Devil)

Also, the Chicago Cubs over the Houston Astros to win the World Series, 4-3.

Facebook declares bankruptcy.

JoeGMath becomes universally accepted, and 2035 - 2016 is now equal to 7.

And wavelength = frequency.

Date: 2016/02/18 16:54:39, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Robert Byers
Quote
We are not a bunch of chemicals or water with chemicals.


And I always thought that water was a chemical. I learn something new every day at UD.

Date: 2016/02/18 21:09:22, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 18 2016,20:43)






Guesses as to what's written on the door.

Hair Club for Men?

Date: 2016/02/22 17:18:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 22 2016,13:36)
Quote (someotherguy @ Feb. 22 2016,05:27)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 22 2016,01:52)
Something about that thread (or maybe it was just boredom or some psychological issue) prompted me to check the UD archives. Amusingly enough, they were having the same conversation over at UD almost exactly 10 years ago, with ID critics pointing out that 2LOT has nothing to do with biology, and regulars insisting that it certainly does, and even if it doesn't, it should. There were a couple of related conversations going on, one of which gave the world this magnificent nugget:
         
Quote
31
physicistMarch 7, 2006 at 11:30 am

Davescot

If you can give me a clear and precisely worded example of an `intelligent’ agency causing a violation of the second law, please do.

Me writing this sentence. -ds

UD link

As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la tard

PS Just reading the thread titles for March 2006 gives a few laughs*. Samples:
Evolution in free-fall - William Dembski
Finally, Nick Matzke Finds An Opponent That Makes Him Look Smart - Dave S[cot].
My 15 Minutes of Infamy in the Evolutionary Anthropology Community - GilDodgen
Another Boner from the Church Burners - Dave S.
Neo-Darwinism is Collapsing Under the Weight of the Integration of the Sciences - GilDodgen
*Some of these are context-dependent for the lulz; notpologies to those of you who haven't been following UD as ridiculously long as me.

Ah, those were the glory days.

Hard to believe I've tuned in to this for well over a decade.

Banny Erring-a-ton is a poor man's DaveScot and has none of the entertainment value.

It's no fun anymore.

I don't know, Barry can be very entertaining at times. Especially when someone has logged in with a sock and agreed with him for a few comments (to get past moderation) and then slowly turned on him. This has given me hours of entertainment.

Date: 2016/02/29 15:47:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 28 2016,22:29)
How ID makes one sure of God, according to Torley

 The madman demands the intelligence that decided mammal testes have to descend from their apparent ancestral positions into a scrotum (provided they have high body temperatures), while birds dispense with such requirements.

Next time that one of the ID crazies claims that there are no poor "designs" in nature, kick him in the testicles and ask him to explain it again. Unfortunately, this will not work for Dense and Dreary.

Date: 2016/02/29 16:07:14, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mullings (dba Kairosfocus)
Quote
GG, BTW, I am an eyewitness (among a significant number of others) to levitation that most definitely was no magic trick.

Yup, that ads credibility to Gordo's arguments. I wonder what he will come up with next?
Quote
And in fact the positive miracle there was in suppressing then getting rid of it and what went with it. That is, it was a manifestation of evil being exorcised.

Oh, the devil made him do it. Why am I not surprised?

Date: 2016/03/02 14:37:31, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 02 2016,11:50)
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 02 2016,19:44)
I was going to say something like...

     
Quote
LOL, I bet these gullible fools believe in faith healing and all that shite.


...but then I remembered Dembski and, yep, of course they believe in all that shite. And now we've arrived at....

Invisible Intelligent Demonic Levitators from Outer Space.

Just let that sink into your closed minds.

Fixed. I for one welcome our new overlords (..said in a  Kent Brockman accent)

That thread just keeps getting better and better. Well worth the price of admission.

Date: 2016/03/02 18:17:16, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon E. Mullings (dba KairosFocus) gets spanked:
[QUOTE]KairosFocus: “something that is illogical will be incoherent; to assert or imply that something not in accord with the usual course of events is illogical is to imply that these laws obtain with logical necessity.”

No it doesn’t. If a law is logically incoherent, you modify the law. What is so difficult about that?

A world formed by a necessary being who is a greatest possible being and inherently good creator God is not logically incoherent.”

Except that this presupposes a creator God. Doing so invokes circularity. Patently obvious.

It also presumes the universality and necessity of the laws of nature arrived at inductively; but such is inherently open to rare exceptions.”

No they aren’t. If there is an exception, then the formulation of the law is incorrect. It needs to be modified or discarded.

“In this case, you overlook the possibility that the world we experience is sustained in being and operation by its Creator who for good reasons may act in unusual ways. Such as the resurrection of Jesus from the dead with 500 witnesses that could not be broken.”

Can you provide me with the sworn testimony of any of these 500? Or was this recorded many years after the event? Or their deaths?

“Further, you overlook that other beings may be more intelligent and advanced than we are (where I make no commitments whatsoever to their being morally well intentioned) and can manipulate reality in ways that we do not understand.”

No I don’t. Where are they? And how do they do it?

“I therefore suggest avoiding the position that a supernatural event or believing one has witnessed such is an ILLOGICAL point.”

When someone can explain why it is LOGICAL to blindly accept things that we don’t yet understand, I will change my position.

Date: 2016/03/05 14:10:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I just spent 45 minutes drafting a comment responding to one of Gordon Mulling's (dba KairosFocus) sermons only to be presented with the site off line message. It might be for the best. Socking up takes effort. I hate losing them on my first use.

Date: 2016/03/05 14:11:25, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 05 2016,14:10)
I just spent 45 minutes drafting a comment responding to one of Gordon Mulling's (dba KairosFocus) sermons only to be presented with the site off line message. It might be for the best. Socking up takes effort. I hate losing them on my first use.

Pleas God, don't let it be a sign that Barry has finally trashed the site. What will I do with my spare time?

Date: 2016/03/07 10:19:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 06 2016,22:34)
unteachables teaching each other

Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus) discussing science with Gary. You just can't make up this shit.

I like Gordon's examples of Intelligent Design in action. If anything, the smelting of iron owes more to selection processes than it does to design. The better adaptations of technique survived and proliferated throughout the industry. Where was the design in that?

Date: 2016/03/08 15:35:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Interesting, if true.

Algorithm Eh:
Comment 22:
Quote
Joe: And I am sure they knew that quickly cooling something makes it hard.”

That is not what your wife told me.

Just being an ass. But seriously, how would they know this? If they predicted this in advance, design. If they observed after the fact, fucking lucky.


And then comment 28 by Algorithm Eh:
Quote
KairosFocus, just for the record, I did not make the comment at 22. Somebody obviously hacked my account. Please delete this comment.


If what Algorithm Eh is saying is true, then it appears that Mullings or Barry is playing silly buggers.

Fun Times at the Circus.

Date: 2016/03/10 15:29:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 10 2016,11:52)
Mapou vs Virgil - pass the popcorn

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821
Virgil Cain March 10, 2016 at 10:33 am

Mapou:"I see nothing infinite in a few symbolic markings on my screen.

Virgil: "Well educated people see what I wrote as a representation of an infinite set. So perhaps you should get an education."

822
Mapou March 10, 2016 at 10:40 am

Virgil Cain @821,

You’re insulting me, man. At this point, all can say is, pack it where the sun does not shine. See you around.

Oh the irony. One of these characters complaining that the other is insulting him.

Date: 2016/03/14 14:45:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
I am surprised that Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus) is criticizing Joe. I once had a debate with Gordo about Joe's behaviour and he defended him repeatedly, claiming that Joe was responding appropriately to provocation. And that he gives Joe more slack than he gives others because people have contacted his employer trying to get him fired for posting abusive comments during work hours.

I also sympathize with Joe. As I would with anyone with an obvious mental issue.

Date: 2016/03/14 20:10:56, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 14 2016,18:26)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 14 2016,22:45)
I am surprised that Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus) is criticizing Joe. I once had a debate with Gordo about Joe's behaviour and he defended him repeatedly, claiming that Joe was responding appropriately to provocation. And that he gives Joe more slack than he gives others because people have contacted his employer trying to get him fired for posting abusive comments during work hours.

I also sympathize with Joe. As I would with anyone with an obvious mental issue.

Hey what about Mung? ...and kf, Dense etc etc.

They don't have a mental illness. They are just intentionally and willfully crazy. Joe, on the other hand, can't be held accountable for the stupidness that comes out of his mouth.

Date: 2016/03/15 14:29:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 15 2016,13:13)
No longer with us (again):
Quote
1030 Virgil Cain March 15, 2016 at 10:47 am
Virgil Cain is in moderation for responding in kind to his attackers. What kind of moderation punishers the responder and not the people who provokes him with lies, bluffs and personal attacks?

Surely not Christians…

UD Editors: We are releasing this comment from moderation in connection with a permanent ban of VC. All commenters should be aware that the surest and fastest way to be shown the exit from these pages is to cast aspersions on our faith.

I thought that ID wasn't about religion? Silly me.

Date: 2016/03/15 17:14:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2016,16:20)
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 15 2016,21:53)
Bornagain!

Follow his facebook links and hear the man himself!!!

https://www.facebook.com/philip.....theater

https://www.facebook.com/philip.....theater

He sounds exactly as you'd imagine a late middle-age recovering alcoholic Jesus freak to sound.

He is only a self-carved swastika away from Manson.

Date: 2016/03/16 15:00:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Has Cornelius Hunter lost his OP posting privileges at UD? His last OP at Darwin's God was not simultaneously posted at UD, as his previous ones were.

Date: 2016/03/22 10:46:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
An epic Mapou Meltdown over at Darwin's God.

Mapou Meltown

Date: 2016/03/22 12:57:34, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 22 2016,11:35)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 22 2016,10:46)
An epic Mapou Meltdown over at Darwin's God.

Mapou Meltown

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LOL, I defecate on dirt worshippers AND their pseudoscience


Wow. That was entertaining AF

Even Nic, one of the more pleasant ID proponents, called Mapou to task for his nonsense.

Date: 2016/03/22 17:23:47, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Mar. 22 2016,16:49)
Moran, unsurprisingly, reveals his anti-American bigotry, and stupidity about what's at stake, pleasing the IDiots at UD:

       
Quote
The debate took place in Canada where we allow the teaching of religion in public schools. None of us give a damn about the American Constitution.


No one really cares if he cares about our Constitution, but he has to spit at those of us who really do have to appeal to the US Constitution to keep BS religious apologetics out of schools.

       
Quote
We’re interesting in knowing whether the science is valid or not.


Big problem, there's no science there.  It does matter, because what they say isn't necessarily wrong as such (as Judge Jones noted) but that it's designed to avoid proper tests, such as are performed in science.

       
Quote
If the Intelligent Design proponents have legitimate complaints about evolution and if they have good scientific arguments in favor of design then those ideas should be taught in Canadian schools in spite of what some judge in Pennsylvania said ten years ago.


Well they don't have any good scientific arguments in favor of design--that should be apparent by now--and certainly have no legitimate complaints about evolution that didn't come from much better sources than their own selective quotations.

       
Quote
Lawrence Krauss tried to show that ID was not science but he did a horrible job.


Really, a physicist didn't do a great job at showing that ID isn't science?  I believe it, although I never watched the "debate," because snowflakes are a bad analogy for anything in life.  So fucking what?

       
Quote
Meyer countered by presenting a lot of science forcing Krauss to deal with the very science that he said ID doesn’t do!


They don't do any ID science.  What would that be?  And the little science they do only serves as an excuse to mangle the interpretation, like Axe's amazing result that some of today's proteins would be very unlikely to evolve from some of today's other proteins.

       
Quote
Bill, you are being dangerously naive if you think you can simply dismiss the ID movement because it’s not science (according to your definition). The general public doesn’t care. All they see is serious attacks on evolution that look a lot like science.


Actually, the general public doesn't care a great deal, in part because ID has been shown not to be science, as well as to make many bogus claims about the specifics.  For instance, this was done at Dover, where the US Constitution was involved.

       
Quote
Yes, ID is a movement and so are the desires to do something about climate change or GMO’s.  There are lots of “movements” with social and political agenda.


Equivocating bullshit.  ID is only a movement, an apologetics movement.  There are movements against climate change or GMOs, but the science involved isn't part of any movement (some bias is unavoidable, while total bias is impossible, and even strong unwarranted bias overall is, at worst, unlikely).  IDists don't do ID science, they only do a little evolutionary science (then twist it to their purposes), ultimately because there is no ID science.

       
Quote
Many of them deal with science in one way of another. It’s the role of scientists to evaluate the scientific arguments in spite of the agenda. We have to show that the goal of the movement is either compatible or incompatible with the scientific facts.


Yeah, look at Dover, you bigoted twat.  ID has been answered in detail, which is why we can properly say that it's not science, nor should children be confused by their dishonest claims of having science on their side before they even know what science is.

Glen Davidson

I think you don't understand Moran's argument. He is saying that ID is science, which it is. He wants to force their hand. 'You claim it's science, start producing some'. He knows that they will fail miserably.

And his point about Canadians not giving a damn about the US Constitution? We don't. Why is that a problem with you? We care about our constitution and its 34 years of history.

Date: 2016/03/22 20:32:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Why do you have such a problem with saying that ID is science?  So is nephrology and numerology. Bad science is still science. Moran's point is that the best way to fight ID is to open it to the world. I'm not sure if I completely agree with him but I think that people underestimate the intelligence of kids. They don't start teaching about genetics and evolution until high school. At that point kids aren't going to be swayed easily from what they already believe. One way or the other.

On another point, Glen, stop behaving like Mapou.  It doesn't win him any arguments. It's not going to win any for you.

Date: 2016/03/23 13:08:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 23 2016,11:46)
Nephrology is the study of the kidney.

I had to look it up.

Good catch. I meant to say phrenology.

Date: 2016/03/23 16:40:15, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 23 2016,16:25)
Another thread pissed away.

This string of puns brought to you by alcohol consumption while blogging.

Date: 2016/03/25 14:04:18, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 25 2016,12:41)
Quote
Mycoplasma mycoides Just Destroyed Evolution


linky

Closely followed by the through gut of a comb jelly destroying evolution. I don't know how evolution will ever survive Hunter's extensive research.

Evolution destroyed

Date: 2016/03/27 18:34:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 27 2016,14:18)
Quote
50
Mapou

March 27, 2016 at 1:05 pm
Quote

“According to Einstein’s doctrine the world is a finite four dimensional sphere full with force-lines. No motion is possible in it since time is one of its geometrical dimensions, and there is no external time.”
Source: Methodologia (pdf) by Dr. Uri Fidelman.


Why is the physics community allowed to continue with its lies? Why are we giving this bunch of con artists billions of dollars of our hard earned money to come up with more BS results that will never benefit the taxpayers?

PS. We, the taxpayers, should form a legal fund and take the thieves to court. We can win this.


mapou's going to...what?...reverse class action the physics community?

Mapou has been in an epic meltdown mode at both UD and Hunter's blog. With narry a word from the moderators of either site about his behaviour.

Date: 2016/03/27 22:39:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Mar. 27 2016,20:45)
Mapou, in an impotent response to ellazim, with that special Gil Dodgen kind of stupid:
 
Quote
It is also a lie that infinity is used in Fourier Analysis and topology. I use Fast Fourier Transforms all the time in my speech recognition research and I can assure you that my computer is finite and discrete and there is no infinity in it. So you are lying again, as you always do.

Scientists have tried for years to develop software that would recognize intelligent speech in anything Mapou says

Date: 2016/03/30 16:59:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,14:51)
Quote
104

Mapou

March 30, 2016 at 10:58 am



I would rather be banned from UD forever than apologize to a bunch of cretinous dirt worshippers. They owe me an apology for preaching their religion in our schools, which is against the Constitution. They owe me an apology for bullying non-atheists, not only in the education system but in the mainstream media and the government. They can all kiss my asteroid.

I may apologise to them but only AFTER they apologize to me. Until then, they are just tree-dwelling primitives, cretinous members of the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster.

Ban away.

ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha…




 
Quote

105
News

March 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm



Mapou has been banned.




linky

First Joe/Virgil, now Mapou. There is a god.

Date: 2016/03/30 19:02:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,18:48)
"Dirt-Worshipping Ebola Boys" doesn't have the same ring to it.

:p

We owe Ellasim and Aleta a debt of gratitude for doing what others have not been able to do. Shut Mapou up.

"We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

Date: 2016/04/04 08:57:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (sparc @ April 04 2016,08:27)
Quote
EZ, FYI, RB is Canadian. KF

KF, FSCI/O, and PPPPPS are  exclusively Montserratian, though.

Quote
KF :”EZ, FYI, RB is Canadian. KF”

That just proves that Canada also has crazies. I strongly suspect that Monserrat also has their share.



Bazinga

Date: 2016/04/05 14:58:48, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 04 2016,17:12)
Quote (k.e.. @ April 02 2016,09:38)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 02 2016,06:42)
   
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 30 2016,20:48)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2016,20:06)
       
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,19:22)
oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing.

(I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled)

Mapou (as Louis Savain) has taken up residence at Cornhole Hunter's place.  He's responding to most every pro-evolution post with his usual vile insults and mentally challenged answers.  So far Cornhole has not deleted any of Mapou's obscenities and is actually encouraging him.

His new meme "Dirt-worshipping Darwinists" has even made it into the Amazon book discussions.

He's spreading his manure all over the place. Aught to be a bumper crop of creationist trolls this spring.

Cornhole Hunter has now formally announced he's keeping Mapou / Savain as his new board pet.  Mapou is free to use any obscenities he wants since he's doing work for Jeebus.

       
Quote
Corny:  "Darwin's God moderator: I have put up with this long enough. William Spearshake has been questioning my judgment for too long. At the end of the day, this is my blog. Although Louis uses a little less tact than I would use, I believe that he is fundamentally correct. If William and Ghostrider do not like this, they are welcome to go to other blogs. I will not ban them, but they are both on warning.


linky

At least one YEC has already left due to Mapou's constant Tourette's.   Corny is racing UD to the bottom of the sewer.   :D

It's a love match made in the Garden of Eden when's  Joe Gallien going to show up?

You called it.  Chubby Joke G just turned up at Corny's.  He and Mapou together = tons of lulz!   :D  :D  :D

Cornelius's site is becoming the repository for ID proponents who are too rude and offensive for Barry.

Date: 2016/04/06 11:01:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 06 2016,10:42)
Quote
30
kairosfocusApril 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm
IE, open your eyes, starting with the increasingly obvious agenda to demonise, marginalise, scapegoat, criminalise and oppress those who do not go along with today’s version of fashionable fascism and its progress to imagined utopia of topsy-turvy amoral and nihilistic inversion of morality in which vice becomes virtue and virtue vice by politically correct fiat and agit prop . . . where, you need to recognise that we saw all this before with the rise of C20 totalitarian movements. Movements that it cost 200 million lives or thereabouts to stop. Then, pause a little bit and actually read what you refused to look at after the opening remark that it is a time for truth which so obviously stuck cross-ways in your gullet; where BTW as Ari said, the truth says of what is that it is; and of what is not, that it is not so neat talking points that try to project oh you are not open to radical relativisation are simply besides the point, As in, did you realise that what followed was an outline of the sins of our civilisation’s power elites across the past 500 years? (As in your sneering dismissal looks distinctly hollow in that light, looks instead like you set up and knocked over a strawman and refused to examine what was actually there in front of you.) Your openly confessed closed minded reaction . . . sight unseen . . . speaks saddening volumes, and not in your favour. Please, think again. KF


Gordon's all het up about the queers.

IE's comment that triggered Mulling's homophobic rant.
Quote
KF @: “It is time for truth.”

Anytime someone starts out with those words, I stop reading. An open and honest discussion must start from the premise that both sides admit the possibility that they may be wrong. When a commenter starts with “It is time for truth”, he/she is not admitting the possibility that they might be wrong.

Date: 2016/04/06 18:09:26, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote
Ahh, Mapou. Always entertaining. Never informative. Please don't change. Society has said that it is not appropriate to go to freak shows and derive pleasure from their deformities. You are all we have left.


Ouch.

Date: 2016/04/07 08:55:24, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (JohnW @ April 06 2016,18:32)
From the "Lord preserve us from Teh Foreign and Teh Gay" thread... Captured for posterity before Indiana Effigy meets the banhammer:
 
Quote
47 Robert Byers April 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm
IE
The problems with foreigners is too long a list.
yet the sum is too many, for too long, including the wrong ones if allowing any in, the interference of them with true Canadians/French Canadians or other citizens about who gets what, segregation to their advantage, discrimination for their advantage, and a general restructuring of Canada by them and the establishment to turn Canucks/French Canadians into a minority without identity rights.
I could go on and on and on.
Foreigners have hurt badly Canadians since WW11.
A great tragedy and wicked injustice and betrayal of a good natured people(s) allowing foreigners to become our countrymen and indeed, in the next generation, our people.
No more please and the ones here should be asked to obey their contract for admittance or leave.
Them leaving by the millions is a desired goal and could be done after trial.
I speak for many or most Canucks I think.
A origins blog is not the place however.

 
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48 Indiana Effigy April 6, 2016 at 4:21 pm
“Foreigners have hurt badly Canadians since WW11.”

Then you must have been in favour of Canada sending a boatload of Jewish “foreigners” back to Hitler’s generosity back in the thirties.

I seldom say this on a blog, but you are one fucking bigoted moron. You do realize that your family were also foreigners to Canada, don’t you? No, you probably don’t.

linky

FTR/FYI
Quote
KF: “E, a rhetorical strategy of polarising projections of base motivation speaks more of what lies in you than in others. M62’s answer above should speak volumes to you. KF”

Your unsubstantiated ad hominem is duly noted and will be given all the attention it deserves.

Date: 2016/04/07 17:11:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Origenes:
Quote
Dear Richard, besides a universe from nothing, there are more “counter intuitive” aspects to your materialism:

Organization from chaos.
Information from randomness.
Free responsible rational agency capable of doing science from deterministic non-rational blind particles.


Mike1962:

Quote
Consciousness from molecules.


And, basinga

Indiana Effigy:

Quote
Wine from water.


Can the banhammer be far behind?

Date: 2016/04/09 09:27:40, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
IE to Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus)
Quote
Obviously you are incapable of having a civil discussion with someone who disagrees with you without resorting to personal attacks. Life is far too short to continue to attempt to have a discussion with someone with a pathology such as yours. From now on I will simply scroll past any of your comments, and not respond to any comments you make towards me.

I wish you well, but your manner of discourse is infantile and needs significant improvement.

Date: 2016/04/09 10:10:00, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 09 2016,09:27)
IE to Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus)
Quote
Obviously you are incapable of having a civil discussion with someone who disagrees with you without resorting to personal attacks. Life is far too short to continue to attempt to have a discussion with someone with a pathology such as yours. From now on I will simply scroll past any of your comments, and not respond to any comments you make towards me.

I wish you well, but your manner of discourse is infantile and needs significant improvement.

And he who shall not be named responds as only he can.
Quote
IE, Pardon but I need to be direct on the rhetorical effect of how you spoke, given that my context is that there is a serious problem of what dares not be said on this matter. . The name for that tactic is the mixed message. Say your point then cover it with a softening contrary; the in group chuckle and how dare you object to the steel fist, it is in a velvet glove. What counts is the hard point, just like with the deliberate “freudian slip.” I suggest, instead, deal with the issue: at no point have I said or suggested that people who differ with me are therefore nihilistic. Instead I took time to identify a specific longstanding worldview that haunts our civilisation which is indeed nhilistic. Demonstrably so, as was shown in outline. It is part of the ongoing falling apart of our civilisation that has to be recognised and rolled back. I still think our civilisation is worth fighting for, given the alternatives. Or have you taken a moment to look at the mini steel-covered dungeon cells in the hot desert ground used to imprison Yazidi women captured and turned into sex slaves by ISIS? http://www.breitbart.com/natio......-slaves That is what we are dealing with. KF

PS: Notice, you have yet to engage the substantial issue adequately. I suggest you would be well advised to shift tone.

Date: 2016/04/09 12:22:23, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Woodbine @ April 09 2016,10:53)
Quote
Or have you taken a moment to look at the mini steel-covered dungeon cells in the hot desert ground used to imprison Yazidi women captured and turned into sex slaves by ISIS? http://www.breitbart.com/natio......-slaves That is what we are dealing with. KF

I'm positive KF has taken several moments to examine the ISIS dungeons and spent many evenings in sober contemplation of Yazidi sex slaves.

With a wad of tissues in one hand and Vasolein in the other.

Now try to get that image out of your head.

Date: 2016/04/12 23:45:41, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Now I know where Monty Python got all of their material.

Date: 2016/04/14 08:08:27, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ April 14 2016,02:37)
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 14 2016,08:56)
Louis explains How It Is    
Quote
Nobody understands motion, especially physicists. Once you come to grips with the fact that space/distance is a perceptual illusion (i.e., an abstract creation of the spirit/consciousness), then all bets are off. All of a sudden, paradoxes disappear and then the hard truth hits you: The physics community is clueless.

Link

That boy is an existential black hole.

But you have to admit, he has a way with words.
Quote
It's truly pathetic watching two Christophobic atheist homosexuals giving morality lessons to a Christian (Cornelius) on his own blog. And then they frequent a Christophobic (with an overwhelming homosexual undercurrent) forum at antievolution.org where they use a homosexual epithet (Cornholio) to refer to the same Christian.

Date: 2016/04/16 23:15:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Joe G @ April 16 2016,18:49)
So cowards take unarmored SUVs down the world's most dangerous road in Iraq and toil in the jungles of Colombia in an attempt to stop narco trafficking. Cowards also take on the jobs that the military won't because of the difficulty and danger.

Good to know...

I wasn't aware that toaster repair was in demand in Iraq and Columbia. Brave Sir Joey.

Date: 2016/04/17 11:13:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 17 2016,10:25)
Here's another Joe-ism that's as good as "wavelength=frequency"
 
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Joe G: "It's the OoL that violates the 2nd law."

linky

There you have it folks.  Origin of life endothermic chemical reactions are impossible because Chubs says so.  Where's Granville Sewell when you need him?   :D

Joes's logic is impeccable (or should I use 'impeckable' to go along with the cornpun thread?).

The designer can move matter and energy as he wishes (ie, violating the 2nd law), but ID does not require the supernatural.

He just gets stupider with age, which I didn't think was possible.

Date: 2016/04/17 11:38:01, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ April 17 2016,11:21)
Quote (stevestory @ April 17 2016,18:03)
Materialism Makes You Stupid
April 16, 2016 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

Mung is back on UD. How long before Joe G Fronkie etc ?

I don't remember Mung being tossed. The last one, other than anyone who disagrees with Barry or Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus) was Mapou. And it was Denyse who tossed his sorry ass. But he is making up time at Hunter's blog with his "dirt-worshipping homosexuals being the root of all evil" rants.

Date: 2016/04/17 14:45:30, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 17 2016,13:50)
they certainly find thoughts of homosexuality overwhelming.

I fixed your comment for you:

They certainly find thoughts overwhelming.

Date: 2016/04/17 16:30:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Indiana Effigy to Gordon Mullings (dba KairosFocus)
Quote
Feel free to provide evidence that demonstrates that what I said is incorrect. If you can do this without ad hominems and sermonizing...


And Gordon Mulling's response:
Quote
PPS: Let us clear the air, by restoring tone:

>>II.

‘But the time,’ said she, ‘calls rather for healing than for lamentation.’ Then, with her eyes bent full upon me, ‘Art thou that man,’ she cries, ‘who, erstwhile fed with the milk and reared upon the nourishment which is mine to give, had grown up to the full vigour of a manly spirit? And yet I had bestowed such armour on thee as would have proved an invincible defence, hadst thou not first cast it away. Dost thou know me? Why art thou silent? Is it shame or amazement that hath struck thee dumb? Would it were shame; but, as I see, a stupor hath seized upon thee.’ Then, when she saw me not only answering nothing, but mute and utterly incapable of speech, she gently touched my breast with her hand, and said: ‘There is no danger; these are the symptoms of lethargy, the usual sickness of deluded minds. For awhile he has forgotten himself; he will easily recover his memory, if only he first recognises me. And that he may do so, let me now wipe his eyes that are clouded with a mist of mortal things.’ Thereat, with a fold of her robe, she dried my eyes all swimming with tears.

SONG III.
The Mists dispelled.

Then the gloom of night was scattered, Sight returned unto mine eyes. So, when haply rainy Caurus Rolls the storm-clouds through the skies, Hidden is the sun; all heaven Is obscured in starless night. But if, in wild onset sweeping, Boreas frees day’s prisoned light, All suddenly the radiant god outstreams, And strikes our dazzled eyesight with his beams.

III.

Even so the clouds of my melancholy were broken up. I saw the clear sky, and regained the power to recognise the face of my physician. Accordingly, when I had lifted my eyes and fixed my gaze upon her, I beheld my nurse, Philosophy, whose halls I had frequented from my youth up.

‘Ah! why,’ I cried, ‘mistress of all excellence, hast thou come down from on high, and entered the solitude of this my exile? Is it that thou, too, even as I, mayst be persecuted with false accusations?’

‘Could I desert thee, child,’ said she, ‘and not lighten the burden which thou hast taken upon thee through the hatred of my name, by sharing this trouble? Even forgetting that it were not lawful for Philosophy to leave companionless the way of the innocent, should I, thinkest thou, fear to incur reproach, or shrink from it, as though some strange new thing had befallen? Thinkest thou that now, for the first time in an evil age, Wisdom hath been assailed by peril? Did I not often in days of old, before my servant Plato lived, wage stern warfare with the rashness of folly? In his lifetime, too, Socrates, his master, won with my aid the victory of an unjust death. And when, one after the other, the Epicurean herd, the Stoic, and the rest, each of them as far as in them lay, went about to seize the heritage he left, and were dragging me off protesting and resisting, as their booty, they tore in pieces the garment which I had woven with my own hands, and, clutching the torn pieces, went off, believing that the whole of me had passed into their possession. And some of them, because some traces of my vesture were seen upon them, were destroyed through the mistake of the lewd multitude, who falsely deemed them to be my disciples. It may be thou knowest not of the banishment of Anaxagoras, of the poison draught of Socrates, nor of Zeno’s torturing, because these things happened in a distant country; yet mightest thou have learnt the fate of Arrius, of Seneca, of Soranus, whose stories are neither old nor unknown to fame. These men were brought to destruction for no other reason than that, settled as they were in my principles, their lives were a manifest contrast to the ways of the wicked. So there is nothing thou shouldst wonder at, if on the seas of this life we are tossed by storm-blasts, seeing that we have made it our chiefest aim to refuse compliance with evil-doers. And though, maybe, the host of the wicked is many in number, yet is it contemptible, since it is under no leadership, but is hurried hither and thither at the blind driving of mad error. And if at times and seasons they set in array against us, and fall on in overwhelming strength, our leader draws off her forces into the citadel while they are busy plundering the useless baggage. But we from our vantage ground, safe from all this wild work, laugh to see them making prize of the most valueless of things, protected by a bulwark which aggressive folly may not aspire to reach.’>>


And Indiana Effigy's response:
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What about not “sermonizing” don’t you understand? Do you really think that your tone filled patronizing sermons restores tone? And how does this change the fact that Indian children in Canada were treated in the way they were, with the church taking an active and willing part. And, correct me if I am wrong (I might be), the church has never offered an apology for their complicity in this action.

Date: 2016/04/17 20:12:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 17 2016,19:39)
WTF is all that jibber-jabber?

It gets better:
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kairosfocusApril 17, 2016 at 4:35 pm
IE,

The answer continues, in hopes that at the last some spark may catch and burst into awakening:



We have been there before, and it does not end well.

Beginning to see that the line between good and evil passes not between classes and nations but through the individual human heart?

Beginning to recognise the futility of assailing sound philosophy, sound theology and sound religion, by way of well poisoning and atmosphere poisoning?

Beginning to see that if you fail to respond appropriately to a civil and balanced acknowledgement of wrongs and the to the principles of reformation then you leave only a fight without Marquis of Queensbury rules?

Nihilism, in one word.

That is what we must name and exorcise, if we are to be men of civil temperament and not brute beasts playing nihilistic agit prop games and not caring what happens when one burns down civilising influences.

KF

PS: EZ, some of my ancestors were slaves, some were indentured servants, some overseers and some masters. All, eventually tamed by the gospel that you would dismiss and discard. Tamed to the point where a certain name sits above a certain parliament written in martyr’s blood, descended from master and slave alike. Blood unjustly spilled for standing up with unwelcome truth spoken from Christian concern to unreasonable domineering power.

Date: 2016/04/17 20:15:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Sorry, my last post cut off a lot of Mullings gems.
[QUOTE]IE,

The answer continues, in hopes that at the last some spark may catch and burst into awakening:



We have been there before, and it does not end well.

Beginning to see that the line between good and evil passes not between classes and nations but through the individual human heart?

Beginning to recognise the futility of assailing sound philosophy, sound theology and sound religion, by way of well poisoning and atmosphere poisoning?

Beginning to see that if you fail to respond appropriately to a civil and balanced acknowledgement of wrongs and the to the principles of reformation then you leave only a fight without Marquis of Queensbury rules?

Nihilism, in one word.

That is what we must name and exorcise, if we are to be men of civil temperament and not brute beasts playing nihilistic agit prop games and not caring what happens when one burns down civilising influences.

KF

PS: EZ, some of my ancestors were slaves, some were indentured servants, some overseers and some masters. All, eventually tamed by the gospel that you would dismiss and discard. Tamed to the point where a certain name sits above a certain parliament written in martyr’s blood, descended from master and slave alike. Blood unjustly spilled for standing up with unwelcome truth spoken from Christian concern to unreasonable domineering power.

Date: 2016/04/17 20:19:19, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
OK, third time's the charm. This is the text between Mullings intro, and conclusion:
[QUOTE]
IV.

‘Dost thou understand?’ she asks. Do my words sink into thy mind? Or art thou dull “as the ass to the sound of the lyre”? Why dost thou weep? Why do tears stream from thy eyes?
‘”Speak out, hide it not in thy heart.”

If thou lookest for the physician’s help, thou must needs disclose thy wound.’

Then I, gathering together what strength I could, began: ‘Is there still need of telling? Is not the cruelty of fortune against me plain enough? Doth not the very aspect of this place move thee? Is this the library, the room which thou hadst chosen as thy constant resort in my home, the place where we so often sat together and held discourse of all things in heaven and earth? Was my garb and mien like this when I explored with thee nature’s hid secrets, and thou didst trace for me with thy wand the courses of the stars, moulding the while my character and the whole conduct of my life after the pattern of the celestial order? Is this the recompense of my obedience? Yet thou hast enjoined by Plato’s mouth the maxim, “that states would be happy, either if philosophers ruled them, or if it should so befall that their rulers would turn philosophers.” By his mouth likewise thou didst point out this imperative reason why philosophers should enter public life, to wit, lest, if the reins of government be left to unprincipled and profligate citizens, trouble and destruction should come upon the good. Following these precepts, I have tried to apply in the business of public administration the principles which I learnt from thee in leisured seclusion. Thou art my witness and that divinity who hath implanted thee in the hearts of the wise, that I brought to my duties no aim but zeal for the public good. For this cause I have become involved in bitter and irreconcilable feuds, and, as happens inevitably, if a man holds fast to the independence of conscience, I have had to think nothing of giving offence to the powerful in the cause of justice. How often have I encountered and balked Conigastus in his assaults on the fortunes of the weak? How often have I thwarted Trigguilla, steward of the king’s household, even when his villainous schemes were as good as accomplished? How often have I risked my position and influence to protect poor wretches from the false charges innumerable with which they were for ever being harassed by the greed and license of the barbarians? No one has ever drawn me aside from justice to oppression. When ruin was overtaking the fortunes of the provincials through the combined pressure of private rapine and public taxation, I grieved no less than the sufferers. When at a season of grievous scarcity a forced sale, disastrous as it was unjustifiable, was proclaimed, and threatened to overwhelm Campania with starvation, I embarked on a struggle with the prætorian prefect in the public interest, I fought the case at the king’s judgment-seat, and succeeded in preventing the enforcement of the sale. I rescued the consular Paulinus from the gaping jaws of the court bloodhounds, who in their covetous hopes had already made short work of his wealth. To save Albinus, who was of the same exalted rank, from the penalties of a prejudged charge, I exposed myself to the hatred of Cyprian, the informer.

‘Thinkest thou I had laid up for myself store of enmities enough? Well, with the rest of my countrymen, at any rate, my safety should have been assured, since my love of justice had left me no hope of security at court. Yet who was it brought the charges by which I have been struck down? Why, one of my accusers is Basil, who, after being dismissed from the king’s household, was driven by his debts to lodge an information against my name. There is Opilio, there is Gaudentius, men who for many and various offences the king’s sentence had condemned to banishment; and when they declined to obey, and sought to save themselves by taking sanctuary, the king, as soon as he heard of it, decreed that, if they did not depart from the city of Ravenna within a prescribed time, they should be branded on the forehead and expelled. What would exceed the rigour of this severity? And yet on that same day these very men lodged an information against me, and the information was admitted. Just Heaven! had I deserved this by my way of life? Did it make them fit accusers that my condemnation was a foregone conclusion? Has fortune no shame—if not at the accusation of the innocent, at least for the vileness of the accusers? Perhaps thou wonderest what is the sum of the charges laid against me? I wished, they say, to save the senate. But how? I am accused of hindering an informer from producing evidence to prove the senate guilty of treason. Tell me, then, what is thy counsel, O my mistress. Shall I deny the charge, lest I bring shame on thee? But I did wish it, and I shall never cease to wish it. Shall I admit it? Then the work of thwarting the informer will come to an end. Shall I call the wish for the preservation of that illustrious house a crime? Of a truth the senate, by its decrees concerning me, has made it such! But blind folly, though it deceive itself with false names, cannot alter the true merits of things, and, mindful of the precept of Socrates, I do not think it right either to keep the truth concealed or allow falsehood to pass. But this, however it may be, I leave to thy judgment and to the verdict of the discerning. Moreover, lest the course of events and the true facts should be hidden from posterity, I have myself committed to writing an account of the transaction.

‘What need to speak of the forged letters by which an attempt is made to prove that I hoped for the freedom of Rome? Their falsity would have been manifest, if I had been allowed to use the confession of the informers themselves, evidence which has in all matters the most convincing force. Why, what hope of freedom is left to us? Would there were any! I should have answered with the epigram of Canius when Caligula declared him to have been cognisant of a conspiracy against him. “If I had known,” said he, “thou shouldst never have known.” Grief hath not so blunted my perceptions in this matter that I should complain because impious wretches contrive their villainies against the virtuous, but at their achievement of their hopes I do exceedingly marvel. For evil purposes are, perchance, due to the imperfection of human nature; that it should be possible for scoundrels to carry out their worst schemes against the innocent, while God beholdeth, is verily monstrous. For this cause, not without reason, one of thy disciples asked, “If God exists, whence comes evil? Yet whence comes good, if He exists not?” However, it might well be that wretches who seek the blood of all honest men and of the whole senate should wish to destroy me also, whom they saw to be a bulwark of the senate and all honest men. But did I deserve such a fate from the Fathers also? Thou rememberest, methinks—since thou didst ever stand by my side to direct what I should do or say—thou rememberest, I say, how at Verona, when the king, eager for the general destruction, was bent on implicating the whole senatorial order in the charge of treason brought against Albinus, with what indifference to my own peril I maintained the innocence of its members, one and all. Thou knowest that what I say is the truth, and that I have never boasted of my good deeds in a spirit of self-praise. For whenever a man by proclaiming his good deeds receives the recompense of fame, he diminishes in a measure the secret reward of a good conscience. What issues have overtaken my innocency thou seest. Instead of reaping the rewards of true virtue, I undergo the penalties of a guilt falsely laid to my charge—nay, more than this; never did an open confession of guilt cause such unanimous severity among the assessors, but that some consideration, either of the mere frailty of human nature, or of fortune’s universal instability, availed to soften the verdict of some few. Had I been accused of a design to fire the temples, to slaughter the priests with impious sword, of plotting the massacre of all honest men, I should yet have been produced in court, and only punished on due confession or conviction. Now for my too great zeal towards the senate I have been condemned to outlawry and death, unheard and undefended, at a distance of near five hundred miles away.[C] Oh, my judges, well do ye deserve that no one should hereafter be convicted of a fault like mine!

‘Yet even my very accusers saw how honourable was the charge they brought against me, and, in order to overlay it with some shadow of guilt, they falsely asserted that in the pursuit of my ambition I had stained my conscience with sacrilegious acts. And yet thy spirit, indwelling in me, had driven from the chamber of my soul all lust of earthly success, and with thine eye ever upon me, there could be no place left for sacrilege. For thou didst daily repeat in my ear and instil into my mind the Pythagorean maxim, “Follow after God.” It was not likely, then, that I should covet the assistance of the vilest spirits, when thou wert moulding me to such an excellence as should conform me to the likeness of God. Again, the innocency of the inner sanctuary of my home, the company of friends of the highest probity, a father-in-law revered at once for his pure character and his active beneficence, shield me from the very suspicion of sacrilege. Yet—atrocious as it is—they even draw credence for this charge from thee; I am like to be thought implicated in wickedness on this very account, that I am imbued with thy teachings and stablished in thy ways. So it is not enough that my devotion to thee should profit me nothing, but thou also must be assailed by reason of the odium which I have incurred. Verily this is the very crown of my misfortunes, that men’s opinions for the most part look not to real merit, but to the event; and only recognise foresight where Fortune has crowned the issue with her approval. Whereby it comes to pass that reputation is the first of all things to abandon the unfortunate. I remember with chagrin how perverse is popular report, how various and discordant men’s judgments. This only will I say, that the most crushing of misfortune’s burdens is, that as soon as a charge is fastened upon the unhappy, they are believed to have deserved their sufferings. I, for my part, who have been banished from all life’s blessings, stripped of my honours, stained in repute, am punished for well-doing.

‘And now methinks I see the villainous dens of the wicked surging with joy and gladness, all the most recklessly unscrupulous threatening a new crop of lying informations, the good prostrate with terror at my danger, every ruffian incited by impunity to new daring and to success by the profits of audacity, the guiltless not only robbed of their peace of mind, but even of all means of defence

Date: 2016/04/17 21:51:25, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Apparently Mullings just won't let it go:
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IE, it seems you are unaware of the fires you play with and have studiously ignored the response I made at 92 above as well as those of the thread owner and news; and just now there is a remark that tends to distort news and by extension VJT and myself in ways that are strawmannish. The turnabout rhetoric just above fails, and I repeat, Boethius shows what happens when might vs right nihilism prevails in a community and what it costs. Yes Christendom has its many flaws and sins across 2000 years and many have erred and done wrong even in the name of the church or the gospel; that does not negate the power of truth and reformation in both, nor the only sound foundational IS that grounds OUGHT: the inherently good creator God, a necessary and maximally great being worthy of loyalty and the reasonable service of doing the good in accord with our evident nature. Even, when our progress in the good is flawed and stumbling. So, the much despised Christendom also has in it the means of reformation and a solid foundation for ought. Those who consistently flail at it and make no due balance even in the face of a reasonable response that acknowledges the tension between is and ought in particular cases and/or in general, flag themselves as needing the sort of reminder Boethius provides. Or at any rate, there will be record that warning was given. KF


I can't imagine IE lasting much longer after raising the ire of the man who must not be named.

Date: 2016/04/17 21:54:10, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
If IE is a woman, I think I am in love.
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KF: “IE, it seems you are unaware of the fires you play…blah, blah, blah”

And what fires would those be? The ones where an atheist such as myself is appalled by the actions of my government and the church towards several generations of native children when a supposedly good Christian such as yourself is not? That speaks volumes.

But if it allows you to sleep better at night to pontificate and sermonize and toss ad hominems at me, fill your boots. G’day.

Date: 2016/04/18 19:05:32, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 18 2016,17:19)
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Indiana Effigy

April 18, 2016 at 6:52 am

KF: “let me add: blah blah blah…”

There is a correlation coefficient of 1 between your use of phrases such as strawman soaked in oil of red herring seasoned with ad-hominem and the irrelevance of what you are talking about.


:p

Ouch. That has to hurt.

Date: 2016/04/19 20:36:51, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
BA77:
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“I think there is a good reason why Darwinists don’t want mathematicians…”


IE:

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R. A. Fisher. Co-founder of the modern synthesis (neo-Darwinism) was a mathematician. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Date: 2016/04/21 18:01:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Gordon Mullings. The gift that keeps on giving.
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remember, you are here talking with someone who has seen ideological conflict triggered chaos and mini civil war including murder of an aunt at agit-prop instigation of a pressure group leader who then publicly disclaimed responsibility for intemperate, destructive words in an explosive situation.


KairosFocus

Date: 2016/04/21 18:30:06, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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KF: “IE, do you not see that if minds serve survival not truth, that brings serious self referential incoherence issues to the fore? KF”


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iE: Absolutely. So, how are you reconciling this fact with your worldview?

Date: 2016/04/22 13:38:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (k.e.. @ April 22 2016,12:23)
Quote (stevestory @ April 22 2016,19:14)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 21 2016,19:01)
Gordon Mullings. The gift that keeps on giving.
 
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remember, you are here talking with someone who has seen ideological conflict triggered chaos and mini civil war including murder of an aunt at agit-prop instigation of a pressure group leader who then publicly disclaimed responsibility for intemperate, destructive words in an explosive situation.


KairosFocus

he's like an adjective-holic.

He's like an over excited extremely belligerent self agrandizing hyperbolic ideological pressure group leading adjective-a-holic.

But he is our over excited extremely belligerent self agrandizing hyperbolic ideological pressure group leading adjective-a-holic.

Date: 2016/04/23 12:24:03, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 22 2016,21:56)
Quote (stevestory @ April 22 2016,14:15)
 
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Indiana EffigyApril 22, 2016 at 12:24 pm
KF@139: “My particular existence is not a result of blind chance processes and blind mechanisms…”

Your unsubstantiated assertion is duly noted.

“…but the result of a functioning procreative system on the part of my parents.”

True. But my claim was about the unique individual that is you, not that your parents could procreate.

Your father produced 500 billion sperm cells throughout his life. Your mother had a couple hundred thousand eggs. The unique you is the result of one specific sperm cell from your father and one specific egg cell from your mother. Any other sperm or egg would not result in the you that we all know and love. The result is that the probability of you existing, given the existence of your parents, is in the order of one in 100,000,000,000,000,000 (please double check my math, I could be in error).

Now, to really scare you, try extending these probability calculations back a few generations. It will not take too many generations to arrive at a probability that is so astronomically small that it is effectively zero. Therefore, you can’t exist.

Obviously, this conclusion is rediculous because the initial assumption, that the unique person that is you was the targeted goal, is wrong. But this is the same assumption that ID uses when it talks about the combinatorial explosion.


:O

OK, this is the argument that had me looking back in my records, Google Groups having totally failed me.

And I did eventually find it.

 
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:47:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wesley R. Elsberry" <wre>
Message-Id: <199908210447.VAA27645@cx33978-a.dt1.sdca.home.com>
To: welsberr, talk-origins@moderators.uu.net
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: I know this is wrong...
References: <37BD2BD3.89EEA3F@earthlink.net>
Organization: Online Zoologists
Status: R

In article <37BD2BD3.89EEA3F@earthlink.net>,
jenn and jason  <ouroboros@earthlink.net> wrote:

[...]

J&J>This was posted to me today- can anybody explain this nonsense?

?> But let's really look at the math. ASCI (the code I am
?>writing with) is base 256. So this sentence:

?>    I am writing to you.

?>Has a total of 20 characters, and thus the probability of
?>getting this sentence by pounding on the keyboard is one in
?>256^20, or 1.5X10^-48.

This is inaccurate, as others have pointed out.

?>In cosmological terms that equals zero.

This would appear to be a reference to Borel.  Borel's rule of
thumb indicated that events less likely than 1E-50 could be
considered to have zero likelihood.  Dembski explored this in
his book, "The Design Inference".  Dembski's revision, though,
results in a much different number: 1E-500.

?>The genetic code is base 4, and has millions of bits of
?>information. Changing a simple genetic code string of only
?>1000 characters (a very small and unimportant genetic code)
?>would be one in 4^1000, or 10^-602. Considering that there are
?>no more than 10^81 atoms in the total universe, you can see
?>how the probability drops far below unlikely. In fact, all the
?>time in the universe could not be enough for even one mutation
?>to take place, let alone all of the various different species
?>we see.

As others have pointed out,

1) mutations are observed to occur
2) classes of proteins can perform the same function
3) redundancy via duplication and divergence leads to novel
  proteins
4) biochemistry is not random, but has inherent constraints

I would like to demonstrate a problem with the indicated
probability argument by example.  Let us consider the
probability involved in the specification of one particular
human being, in this case the putative author of the
probability argument quoted above.  What is the probability
that our putative author exists?

Each human being receives about 100,000 alleles from each
parent.  (This is a topic of current research, as to the
actual number of loci in the human genome.)  So, we can start
off with a figure of 1/100,000^2, or 1E-10.

Each human genome consists of about 3 billion nucleotide
bases, and the typical mutation rate is 1E-9 per base.  This
yields about 3 mutations per genome.  Thus, there are about
three mutations per human being on average.  What are the odds
that one human has the particular set of mutations that occurs
in their genome?  That's any of 19 alternatives at three
positions out of 3E9 bases.  First, we have an instantiation
of 1 out of the possible permutations. The permutations are
N!/(N-n)!, or 19!/(19-3)! = 19!/16! = 5814, and our relevant
stat is 1/5,814.  Now, the statistic for the positions that
are affected is 1/3E9 * 1/(3E9-1) * 1/(3E9-2) = 3.70E-29.  The
average expected individual factor due to mutations is thus
6.37E-33.

But all the above assumes that the right sets of alleles come
together.  That's right, one must have the right parents.
Here we have another term, where if M is the total human
population, the odds of getting the right set of parents is
1/(M/2)^2.  For our putative author, let's assume M was about
3 billion.  This yields a value of 4.44E-19.

Let's total up the damage so far.  The odds of our putative
author coming about is 1E-10 * 6.37E-33 * 4.44E-19 = 2.83E-61.
This ignores the fact that the author's existence is the
result of not just the odds given above, but also the odds of
each individual who existed in his ancestry.  So the figure
above is a drastic underestimate of the odds.  By our author's
reasoning, 2.83E-61 is much much smaller than 1E-48, and thus
by the "cosmological" principles cited by our putative author,
he does not exist.  QED.  ;-)

Notice, please, that I did not say that this kind of
probability analysis is valid.  The point is that this kind of
analysis is invalid.  Various of the figures or calculations
are based upon flawed, simplistic, or incorrect assumptions.
While any particular human being is unique as a result of a
convergence of contingent factors, these factors cannot be
enumerated and handled with the ease that the numbers above
were generated and used.  And after all, while the odds of a
particular individual being instantiated really are quite
remote, the odds that *some* human being may come about are
much much better.  (Consider the world's current human
population figure.)  That that human being may later come to
use invalid probability arguments is no long shot at all.

--
Wesley R. Elsberry, Student in Wildlife & Fisheries Sciences, Tx A&M U.
Visit the Online Zoologists page (http://www.rtis.com/nat/user/elsberry)
Email to this account is dumped to /dev/null, whose Spam appetite is capacious.
"In the fall when plants return\By harvest time she knows the score" - BOC

And I am sure that Mullings will either completely ignore the comment or accuse IE of soaking strawmen in oil of red herring and setting it afire with a barrage of turnabouts, ad-hominems and a general lack of duty of care to the truth.

or maybe I am not reading Mullings accurately.

Date: 2016/04/23 18:33:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Quote (stevestory @ April 23 2016,17:03)
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Indiana EffigyApril 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm
KF@178: “PS: You have fallen into the classic trap of being selectively hypercritical in looking at what those you disagree with speak of.”

You mean the classic trap of claiming that your arguments are based on false assumptions and supporting my claims? Yes, I can see why you would rather criticize my motive than my argument.

“Go look up the exploded view diagram for a 6500 C3 round reel,”

I have seen you repeat this many times and all you have proven is that a fishing reel designed by humans is a good evidence for a fishing reel designed by humans.

“. Use AutoCAD as description language generator and do a drawing file, which will be a collection of bit strings describing a 3-d functionally specific config. Ponder what happens when you play around with the bits and pieces at random, they soon become non functional.”

OK, I get it. Human designed things are prone to losing function upon variation.

“Same for text strings in posts here and in code. Punch in a bit of noise and see how fast function is lost.”

Actually, this is not true. You can leave out a significant number of matters, and even rearrange them, and the message can still be deciphered. But, again, human design.
[/i]
“Islands of function are real, and are relevant to cell based life.”
[/i]
Repeating this will not make it true. I explained why. Argue against my reasons if you can, but please stop making unsubstantiated assertions. Your argument is that loss of function means death. Which is not the case. You can’t produce vitamin C due to loss of function. Many adults cannot digest lactose due to lack of function. Neither are resulting in mass deaths.
hahahaha

The most surprising thing is that In Effigy has lasted as long as he has.

Date: 2016/04/23 19:04:33, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
[191
Indiana EffigyApril 23, 2016 at 5:58 pm
KF@187: FSCO/I is real, is observable and readily distinguishable and at the relevant threshold 500 – 1000 bits on a trillion observations is a reliable sign of design as cause. ”

It is only a reliable sign of human design. You really are starting to sound like a broken record.

“gffayid6ifudiyg97rdu[w.
this is a string in English text.
to make a basic point.”

OK, but what about this?
????
inanite k’oshashawi mulu lemulu yetemola newi

Or this?

“jy is heeltemal vol kak

Do they have FSCO/I or not?

“Again, the selective hyperskepticism is patent, as all of this has been explained over and over and over, just dismissed, in the end because the message is utterly unwelcome.”

Again, attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message.

“And you forget, I was there when dozens of attempts were made to suggest cases of FSCO/I by blind chance and mechanism only to consistently fail.”

And you forget, I was present at an unexplained undersea mass sponge migration:)

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Date: 2016/04/24 15:53:11, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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I've been observing a homosexual for years....

ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...

HOW IS THIS GUY NOT A POE??!?!?!?!?!

And those words from a man who admits to having a homosexual partner.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Date: 2016/04/24 16:46:12, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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And those words from a man who admits to having a homosexual partner.

???

Actually, his words were "homosexual business partner", but I liked my shameless quote-mine better.

Date: 2016/04/25 08:08:44, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
William SpearshakeApril 24, 2016 at 5:43 PM
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Mapou: "So what? What is your stupid point? Come out with it."

Everybody else gets my point. I guess you will just have to live with your ignorance.


Louis SavainApril 24, 2016 at 5:51 PM

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Man, pack it up your asteroid. The only truly ignorant jackasses here are the dirt worshippers.

Date: 2016/04/25 16:53:02, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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How Did Mathematics Come to be Woven Into the Fabric of Reality?

April 25, 2016

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design, Mathematics
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Talk about being in over your head.  :p

linky

Given that his head is usually up his ass, that would mean he is wearing his stomach as a hat. And his sphincter as a necklace.

Date: 2016/04/25 21:02:42, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Indiana EffigyApril 25, 2016 at 7:52 pm
KF censoring@241: “A Montserrat [SNIP: language must not be vulgar]. :)

My response to Aleta’s question of KF: “ What are follytricks” was “A Monserrat brothel?” I might add that I added a big happy face.


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KF@243: “PPPS: For those unfamiliar with Caribbean style word puns, follytricks is politics, as is polytricks.

For those completely naive with Caribbean style puns, follytricks is a combination of “folly”, “politics” and “tricks”. “Tricks” comes from the common slang for prostitution. Hence my comment about a Monserrat brothel.

If KF is going to censor me for vulgarity, he should examine the vulgar etimology of the terms he uses. The pot should really refrain from calling the kettle black.

Date: 2016/04/26 20:10:21, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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kairosfocusApril 26, 2016 at 5:55 pm
F/N: Over the course of days, IE has used vulgarities several times despite warning that UD is not a street-gutter. He tried to label snipping vulgarities as censorship, then refused to be shown the door. Finally he is pretending that his cluster of behaviours is a non-offense. Comment is a privilege on good behaviour not a right and as I noted I have had to have my attention elsewhere, due to local follytricks — which he promptly tried to twist into a turnabout, immoral equivalency accusation — oh you are being vulgar; by trying to impose US slang on a Caribbean term. The disrespect for civility and even the need to behave with a modicum of restraint in a situation where the thread owner is not able to play playground monitor speak volumes. So, game over, for the moment. KF

Translation: IE blew my argument out of the water so I am accusing him of vulgarity, declaring victory, and closing comments.

Gordon Mullings throwing a fit

Date: 2016/04/27 14:12:29, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
Kairosfocus@WJMs OP
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I am too busy to go into this thread and its discussion, but a few themes need some remarks.


This in the midst of a 2800 word spewfest.

Date: 2016/04/27 14:19:59, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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IE has pretty much humiliated Gordon these last few weeks. Shortly before bannination:

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Indiana EffigyApril 25, 2016 at 7:55 pm
KF, with regard to your equivocation and back peddling at 242 and 243, I will let the readers decide who is telling the truth and who is lying. All I know is that I will not lose any sleep over it.


Derpfest

[QUOTE]Indiana EffigyApril 27, 2016 at 1:17 pm
KF@160: “The serial use of vulgarity on a civil public forum despite warning and correction are marks of disrespect for civility and reasonable, responsible discussion.

Get over yourself KF. The word I used was “brothel;”, and not in a vulgar context. You were asked what Follytricks were. I jokingly responded that it was a Monserrat brothel. With a big yellow happy face at the end of the sentence.

Let’s be honest here. Your self-referential incoherence claim wa being soundly beaten by a couple evo-mats, and you didn’t like that. So you found a lame excuse to end the discussions on the thread that you had started.

Date: 2016/04/27 17:25:54, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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Indiana EffigyApril 27, 2016 at 3:31 pm
Vividbleu@1478: “Sheesh.”

My conclusion is based on 15 years of listening to the arguments against SSM, not one decided before the discussion began.

There were plenty of arguments against inter-racial marriage and desegregation, but through the benefit of history, I think that we can conclude that most of those can be distilled down to racism. Or do you disagree?


bannination in 3...2...

I've been waiting for it to happen so that I can post
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Barry Arrington burned In Effigy.

Date: 2016/04/27 18:19:49, Link
Author: Acartia_Bogart
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