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### Dissecting a Dead Jellyfish: Reading Stephen Meredith on Intelligent Design

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

**Quote**(Driver @ Jan. 31 2014,02:29)I think this is wrong, but not in the usual amusing and ridiculous sense. Still, it's something I find interesting:

Querius:

**Quote**If we have a flat universe, the value for PI is maximized. If the curvature of the universe is extreme, PI can be as small as exactly 2.0000, depending on the size of the circle.

Pi is not an empirically derived value, is it?

I think he means the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter is different if space cannot be described by Euclidean geometry. Yes?

I assume so - it's an easy mistake to make.

BTW, the ratio can be > π if one wants to be hyperbolic (which makes me wonder whether those extolling the virtues of Pringles are exaggerating).

Totally off-topic but this morning as I was walking into work a police van with a tannoy attached to the roof drew up outside the maths department and counted up to five. Was this some bizarre mathematical taunt?

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

**Quote**(Richardthughes @ Jan. 30 2014,23:59)Here's something for KF, in his cave or not:

**Quote**“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

Carl Sagan

True, but the trouble with quotes like that is that ID'ists see it as entirely applicable to us. They see us as the ones who have been bamboozled and themselves as the ones who have escaped the charlatans power.

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

A couple of messages ago I referred to Mapou (and, by implication, some of the other UD posters) as a "dumb shit".

I should not have used such language.

I apologize to all fertilizer everywhere.

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

I think so. Ditto for the angles of a triangle not equaling 180 degrees.

Of course, when attempting a discussion with Mapou, you have to remember that he thinks Einstein needs correcting and motion is impossible.

### Joe G.'s Tardgasm

**Quote**(didymos @ Jan. 31 2014,08:21)

**Quote**(Driver @ Jan. 30 2014,15:12)We can't test whether the ghost of Henry the Eighth mentally encourages water to boil.

He's actually an ancestor of mine (indirect obviously), as was his fifth wife (with whom I share a surname). And some of his other wives too, because, you know, European royalty was like that.

*is* like that.

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

I think this is wrong, but not in the usual amusing and ridiculous sense. Still, it's something I find interesting:

Querius:

**Quote**If we have a flat universe, the value for PI is maximized. If the curvature of the universe is extreme, PI can be as small as exactly 2.0000, depending on the size of the circle.

Pi is not an empirically derived value, is it?

I think he means the ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter is different if space cannot be described by Euclidean geometry. Yes?

### Joe G.'s Tardgasm

**Quote**(Driver @ Jan. 30 2014,15:12)We can't test whether the ghost of Henry the Eighth mentally encourages water to boil.

He's actually an ancestor (indirect obviously), as was his fifth wife with whom I share a surname. And some of his other wives too, because, you know, European royalty was like that.

### BIO-Complexity

**Quote**(OgreMkV @ Jan. 29 2014,14:37)

**Quote**(DiEb @ Jan. 29 2014,12:19)Has anyone read BIO-Complexity's only "research article" for 2013: Active Information in Metabiology? It was published last month...

That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while.

I don't recall ever seeing the phrase "fascinating intellectual romp" in a peer reviewed paper before.

Of course, when one's peers are morons...

Wow. The entire abstract is a word fest.

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

**Quote**(socle @ Jan. 30 2014,22:38)Hey Mapou,

What number system are you working in? Obviously not the real numbers, since there are no infinite real numbers. And what do you mean by "X is infinitely greater than Y"? How you decide, given X and Y, whether that is true?

Anyway, the hyperreal numbers refute your naive argument. There are 'infinitely small' and 'infinitely large' hyperreal numbers, and these terms are defined rigorously. Kairosfocus has even referred to this set on UD.

stupid me, strike the first paragraph...

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

Hey Mapou,

What number system are you working in? Obviously not the real numbers, since there are no infinite real numbers. And what do you mean by "X is infinitely greater than Y"? How you decide, given X and Y, whether that is true?

Anyway, the hyperreal numbers refute your naive argument. There are 'infinitely small' and 'infinitely large' hyperreal numbers, and these terms are defined rigorously. Kairosfocus has even referred to this set on UD.

### Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

**Quote**If Y is given as an infinitely small value, we can phrase the question thus:

X is infinitely greater than Y, true or false?

If Y is infinitely small ~0, and X is one, then X is ~1 greater than Y.

**Quote**X is infinitely greater than Y, true or false?

The answer is a resounding YES

For fuck's sake....

### "Intelligent design" bill in South Dakota

Senate Bill 112, introduced in the South Dakota Senate and referred to the Senate Education Committee on January 29, 2014, would, if enacted, provide that "[n]o school board or school administrator may prohibit a teacher in public or nonpublic school from providing instruction on intelligent design or other related topics."

### Darwin Day resolution in Congress

**Rush Holt**

House Resolution 467 (PDF), introduced in the United States House of Representatives on January 29, 2014, would, if passed, express the House's support of designating February 12, 2014, as Darwin Day, and its recognition of "Charles Darwin as a worthy symbol on which to celebrate the achievements of reason, science, and the advancement of human knowledge."

### Creationism in Louisiana lawsuit

A sixth-grade teacher's advocacy of creationism is at the center of the complaint in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana on January 22, 2014.

### A second antievolution bill in Missouri

Missouri's House Bill 1587, introduced and given its first reading in the Missouri House of Representatives on January 23, 2014, is the fourth antiscience bill of the year and the second in the state.

### Update from Virginia

Virginia's House Bill 207 received extensive coverage in a hometown newspaper — *The Recorder*, published in the district of the bill's sponsor, Richard P. "Dickie" Bell (R-District 20). In reporting on various bills introduced by Bell, the newspaper commented (January 23, 2014), "By far, Bell's proposal for science teachers has attracted the most scrutiny."