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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 00:16
Post by GaryGaulin
And the plot thickens.

Stuff They Don't Want You to Know - Plant Intelligence
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 00:07
Post by Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 23 2014,15:56) Quote (N.Wells @ April 23 2014,07:19)   Quote .....where it currently looks like he's being trashed for mentioning that Uranium was not formed on planet Earth.  No it doesn't.  Joe is so clueless that he misunderstands the arguments raised against his position and does not realize why he is wrong (and you are not following along either).  He countercharges that his opponents don't think that uranium formed off the earth, but no one in that thread has taken that position.  When doing uranium dating, it is irrelevant when and where the uranium formed: it is only relevant when the containing crystal formed and whether the crystal might contain some lead from earlier decays.  After that, we check whether the crystal predates the rock that it is in, or postdates it (whether it is an inclusion from something earlier, or resulted from later metamorphism), or simply formed when the rock formed, but those are resolved by examining fabrics visible in thin sections, examining growth bands in the crystals, checking conditions of formation for that crystal versus the other crystals in the rock, and so forth.
The average person is not going to wade through a long complicated scientific argument going on somewhere else.

From the information that was given, it easily looks like the disagreement is with what Joe was quoted as saying about Uranium not having been formed on/in planet Earth.

And by the way, I once tried setting up one of my HP5988A mass spectrometers (that when tuned just right shows isotope peaks) for dating minerals from the tracksite. After getting into all the prep-work that takes a team of specialists to get right (but by myself take 50+ years and tons of money) I gave up on that idea. It quickly became much cheaper and easier to have that done by a lab.

I very much understand how complex the many many required procedures actually are. The problem is all those who do not. And it looked like you're an expert on that topic, so I suggested you should add what you said to me to Joe's thread.
Translation from the Gaulinese:  I totally made myself look stupid, falling into the same mistake as Joe.  Now my only hope to save face is to complain that other people should have given a long explanation of why Joe is a moron who thinks all scientists are bigger morons to deflect attention from my own idiocy.  Perhaps inventing a bunch of uneducated lurkers that are confused by this remote corner of the Internet.

P.s.  Gary doesn't seem to know what "trolled" means.  Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2014-04-23 20:56
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (N.Wells @ April 23 2014,07:19) Quote .....where it currently looks like he's being trashed for mentioning that Uranium was not formed on planet Earth.  No it doesn't.  Joe is so clueless that he misunderstands the arguments raised against his position and does not realize why he is wrong (and you are not following along either).  He countercharges that his opponents don't think that uranium formed off the earth, but no one in that thread has taken that position.  When doing uranium dating, it is irrelevant when and where the uranium formed: it is only relevant when the containing crystal formed and whether the crystal might contain some lead from earlier decays.  After that, we check whether the crystal predates the rock that it is in, or postdates it (whether it is an inclusion from something earlier, or resulted from later metamorphism), or simply formed when the rock formed, but those are resolved by examining fabrics visible in thin sections, examining growth bands in the crystals, checking conditions of formation for that crystal versus the other crystals in the rock, and so forth.
The average person is not going to wade through a long complicated scientific argument going on somewhere else.

From the information that was given, it easily looks like the disagreement is with what Joe was quoted as saying about Uranium not having been formed on/in planet Earth.

And by the way, I once tried setting up one of my HP5988A mass spectrometers (that when tuned just right shows isotope peaks) for dating minerals from the tracksite. After getting into all the prep-work that takes a team of specialists to get right (but by myself take 50+ years and tons of money) I gave up on that idea. It quickly became much cheaper and easier to have that done by a lab.

I very much understand how complex the many many required procedures actually are. The problem is all those who do not. And it looked like you're an expert on that topic, so I suggested you should add what you said to me to Joe's thread.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2014-04-23 20:49
Post by midwifetoad
I agree that hell is a relatively recent invention. Not particularly a place of punishment in Judaism.

It's fun to see people like JW show up on places like UD.
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Wildlife

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 16:33
Post by Lou FCD
Thanks, Alby! The Gnatcatcher took a lot of patience, as did the Least Tern. The terns are fast, erratic fliers, too, and had the add difficulty of being just post-sunrise on a cloudy morning. I was pretty happy to get anything at all of them.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 15:11
Post by Woodbine
Quote Think about it when thursday comes around.
As if Byers has any idea what day it is.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 15:00
Post by Bob O'H
Quote (keiths @ April 20 2014,23:53)Byers (who else?):
Quote Sounds great but Alabama too fat away from toronto.
bY the way this YEC speculates that Thor, the Germanic god, is actually a memory of a real man who was the first leader of the Germans according to genesis.
i think Gomer is the first german and torgamah , his son, was a leader of a division in the german peoples and lived long and when died they turned his memory into a God. it lasted easily 2500 years.
Think about it when thursday comes around.
According to the source material I've read, Odin was the leader. Thor was just a big guy with a boomerang for a hammer.
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Wildlife

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 14:33
Post by Albatrossity2
Nice shots, Lout! Gnatcatchers are a though capture, since they never sit still for very long. And the Least Tern images are great!
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 14:09
Post by NoName
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 21 2014,09:31) Quote (Nomad @ April 21 2014,06:00)Pssst.  Hey Gary.  You know how you're so proud about your model possessing "rat level navigation"?

How about bird level navigation?

http://researchbank.rmit.edu.au/eserv......sis.pdf

In this instance evolutionary algorithms were used to evolve the control logic to autonomously fly a simulated unmanned aerial vehicle to a landing on board a naval vessel.

Can your bug do that?
Yes.
As poster said not too many pages ago --
An obvious lie.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:36
Post by Patrick
Quote (timothya @ April 20 2014,17:40)From "fossil" at UD:
Quote . . . in a way I am glad that I am not a scientist. I don’t have to worry about what concept is going to go south tomorrow and what I can really believe and trust in – it is bad enough to live in the instability of politics and finance. For me when it comes to knowledge to an extent ignorance is bliss.
Kind of sums it up, really.
Wow.  Thanks for the reminder of why we have to prevent these people from getting any influence on any school board.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:34
Post by OgreMkV
Just visited Joey's little blog. It's pretty funny how much he still stalks me.  But, as I was reading, I came upon this gem...

Quote And decay rates are fine. I am not saying otherwise. But unstable isotopes can start decaying when they are formed and they are not formed on earth. They were decaying for millions or billions of years before the earth formed.

It's as if you are just an ignorant fool who can't think beyond its own ass.

Uranium was formed either by supernovae or via the collision of two neutron stars. So it is decaying/ can decay well before it comes to earth.
https://www.blogger.com/comment....4186811

That's just... wow... much ignorance...
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:31
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Nomad @ April 21 2014,06:00)Pssst.  Hey Gary.  You know how you're so proud about your model possessing "rat level navigation"?

How about bird level navigation?

http://researchbank.rmit.edu.au/eserv......sis.pdf

In this instance evolutionary algorithms were used to evolve the control logic to autonomously fly a simulated unmanned aerial vehicle to a landing on board a naval vessel.

Can your bug do that?
Yes.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:29
Post by OgreMkV
Quote (Quack @ April 21 2014,08:19) Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 21 2014,04:51)... or he has started talking to himself.
I wish he would, that should be something to watch!
I bet he would get so confused, he'd actually lose an argument with himself.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:19
Post by Quack
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 21 2014,04:51)... or he has started talking to himself.
I wish he would, that should be something to watch!
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:14
Post by NoName
Quote (N.Wells @ April 21 2014,08:36)...
But the interesting point is that Gary identifies genetic algorithms as simple.  They are indeed impressively simple as well as being astoundingly powerful, which is why I can't see what Gary has against natural selection and why he keeps misunderstanding it.  Especially, I cannot understand why he rejects it in favor of an alternate mechanism whose existence and effects he can't even demonstrate at the levels that he is interested in.
It's because he's self-assembled.  And assembled wrong.
He's reminiscent of the chef on Metalocalypse, 'sewn together wrong'.

He believes in an alternative because he has a desperate need to be the underdog who eventually triumphs, usually by means of a "and then a miracle occurs' step, coupled with an equally desperate need for opposition so he can justify any and all of his shortcomings as due to external oppression, not internal flaws.
That he cannot demonstrate the existence or effects of his preferred approach is part of its glory -- he thinks it allows him to shift the game to one where his opponents must present something better than his never explained, never identified, never clarified "alternative".  He thinks he can make it a game of "heads, he wins, tails we lose."
Like I said before, attempting to win a poker game by shouting 'checkmate'.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-04-12 23:19
Post by Glen Davidson
Quote I dislike those animations. Had a gf years ago who studied that protein, i forget, i think actin or myosin, that they show trucking around the cell like little pedestrians, and she had actually done experiments on the things were you could, if the planets lined up, barely see them, and she said they were little fuzzy strands that barely manage to make 11 steps 'forward' every 20.

Those little animations, with their separate colors, and their oversimplified activities, make shit look a million times more designed than it looks under a 'scope.

That's another thing that makes it sound like a lie.  If she really were a biology major, she should know how fake the animations are.  And they're meant to be fake, to leave out the stochastic jitters and to show basically the resulting functional movements.

They really shouldn't be shown without a good explanation of how much is left out--probably one included in the animation itself.  

No biology major has an excuse, regardless, even if she's not very far along.  So if she did exist, let's hope she got out long ago, or learned a whole lot more than the junk you get from the DI.

Glen Davidson
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-04-12 23:10
Post by stevestory
Quote (REC @ April 12 2014,18:29)I call Bullshit.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014.......71.html

  Quote We had an experience a couple years ago where some of the Discovery scientists were traveling with one of our supporters. So that night, we were at this cowboy steakhouse feeding the troops.

Ok....Didn't know the DI had a travelling circus....but whatever....

  Quote So I jumped in and offered the Discovery Institute credit card to pay for the Discovery Institute scientists, and this young waitress came back with the bill and the credit card. And she looked left and looked right and lowered her voice and said, "Can you tell me what the Discovery Institute is?"

Nope. Not happening. Waited tables, and you know damn better than to ask about a company credit card when people are entertaining. Or to express even passing interest at all in peoples' plastic which they are very protective of.

Though my bigger objection should be "Discovery Institute scientists," of which there are 0. Anti-science-ists, plenty.

Quote
Well, I said, we're a scientific think tank, and we're investigating the evidence for intelligent design and challenging standard Darwin. She says, "I thought so!"


I'll poll 300 "U" students right now. Odds of even one having heard of the Discovery Institute? Lol.

Quote She said, "Our professors hate you." And then she motioned to three other waiters and waitresses. She says, "I'm a bio major at the U, and so are they, and, I'm telling you, our professors hate you.

How did this come up? In Bio 101, the profs announce "F-intelligent design idiots and the Discovery Institute we hate them", and this woman happens to remember it when she sees your credit card? We don't bring up the "controversy" in college classes. There is no controversy. Outside of idiot school boards in red states, you don't even exist.

Quote But then we go on your website and we see those animations of all those little machines and we say, 'No way did that evolve.'

Nope. But how proud are you that the total of your "science" can be expressed in an emotional reaction?
Nope. We're no relative of apes. Nope that's complex-no way it evolved." God done it!
I dislike those animations. Had a gf years ago who studied that protein, i forget, i think actin or myosin, that they show trucking around the cell like little pedestrians, and she had actually don't experiments on the things were you could, if the planets lined up, barely see them, and she said they were little fuzzy strands that barely manage to make 11 steps 'forward' every 20.

Those little animations, with their separate colors, and their oversimplified activities, make shit look a million times more designed than it looks under a 'scope.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-04-12 23:09
Post by Glen Davidson
Well, it's Colonel Klinkhoffer, quoting the great Meyer, so it's pretty much unbelievable from the get-go.

But what about this?

  Quote But then we go on your website and we see those animations of all those little machines and we say, 'No way did that evolve.'" So this is a little, in microcosm, a picture of what's happening. The establishment is terrified of this idea. -

Yeah, they have to go to EvolutionBullshit for animation, when for Expelled the IDiots had to take out XVIVO's animation, which they at first copied, and make one of their own.  

Terrifying, indeed.  Because we only have poofs as explanations.  No, wait, that's Meyer and (other) morons.

No, the whole story reeks of made-up garbage, possibly based on a few flimsy facts.  If there was a waitress who said such things, obviously she was just a creationist bigot--who else says that professors hate the worthless frauds?--who is so damned ignorant that she doesn't know that science made the first and best animations of molecular machines, and that it also has the evidence of evolution of a good many, if not all, of them.

The only thing scary about these jerks is that they'd make a whole lot of science illegal if they ever had power firmly in their grasp.

Glen Davidson
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-04-12 22:55
Post by stevestory
Larry Moran says Nick Matzke says this may be the worst post in UD Herstory.

So I KNOW reading that shit directly would require All Teh Alcohols!
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-04-12 22:29
Post by REC
I call Bullshit.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014....71.html

Quote We had an experience a couple years ago where some of the Discovery scientists were traveling with one of our supporters. So that night, we were at this cowboy steakhouse feeding the troops.

Hmm...cowboy steakhouse....feeding the troops?

[QUOTE]So I jumped in and offered the Discovery Institute credit card to pay for the Discovery Institute scientists, and this young waitress came back with the bill and the credit card. And she looked left and looked right and lowered her voice and said, "Can you tell me what the Discovery Institute is?"[QUOTE]

Nope. Not happening. Waited tables, and you know damn better than to ask about a company credit card when people are entertaining. Or to express even passing interest at all in peoples' plastic which they are very protective of.

Though my bigger objection should be "Discovery Institute scientists," of which there are 0. Anti-science-ists, plenty.

Quote
Well, I said, we're a scientific think tank, and we're investigating the evidence for intelligent design and challenging standard Darwin. She says, "I thought so!"


I'll poll 300 "U" students right now. Odds of even one having heard of the Discovery Institute? Lol.

Quote
She said, "Our professors hate you." And then she motioned to three other waiters and waitresses. She says, "I'm a bio major at the U, and so are they, and, I'm telling you, our professors hate you.

How did this come up? In Bio 101, the profs announce "F-intelligent design idiots and the Discovery Institute we hate them", and this woman happens to remember it when she sees your credit card? We don't bring up the "controversy" in college classes. There is no controversy. Outside of idiot school boards in red states, you don't even exist.

Quote But then we go on your website and we see those animations of all those little machines and we say, 'No way did that evolve.'

Nope. But how proud are you that the total of your "science" can be expressed in an emotional reaction?
Nope. We're no relative of apes. Nope that's complex-no way it evolved." God done it!
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