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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 05:12
Post by fnxtr
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 23 2014,18:12)I don't think a guy who believes in an Invisible Haploid Zombie who Lives in the Sky and Watches Us Masturbate really should involve "neurodegenerative pathologies" in the discussion.

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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 04:11
Post by Richardthughes
Quote (keiths @ April 23 2014,15:33)JWTruthInLove, a Jehovah's Witness, offers his take on God:
Quote @Coyne:
All the questions are pretty easy to answer.
Quote Why would the Abrahamic God, all-loving and all-powerful, allow natural evils to torment and kill people?
There’s no evidence that god is all-loving or all-powerful. And he probably likes to torture and kill things. Maybe that’s one of the reasons he designed us.
Quote Why can’t he keep kids from getting cancer?
Why should he??
Quote How did the Holocaust fit into God’s scheme?
Perfectly.
Quote Why, if God wants us to know and accept him so much, does he hide himself from humanity?
He only hides from atheists. The other billions of religionists are too blind to see the truth of god.
Quote Why would an omnibenevolent God consign sinners to an eternity of horrible torment for crimes that don’t warrant that?
Hell is a trinitarian invention. There’s no evidence, that god designed any hell.
Quote Why is God in the Old Testament such a jerk, toying with people for his amusement, ordering genocides in which women and children are killed en masse, and allowing she-bears to kill a pack of kids just for making fun of a prophet’s baldness?
I don’t know. Maybe he was born a jerk.

That's a lovely God you're sucking up to, JW.
"God is Love"
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 03:55
Post by GaryGaulin
Use this link for reading the entire thread:

http://talkrational.org/showthr....1800592
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 03:53
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 22 2014,23:02) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 21 2014,07:20)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 20 2014,17:56)Here is a typical flow chart for a (now under discussion) Genetic Algorithm. It's as you can see really not complicated at all:


Somewhere way upstream you were informed of the wrongness of this flowchart.  There is no "desired fitness" in nature, although that criterion does exist in your "model." You determine what the "desired fitness" is and code accordingly.  That's one sure sign that your program doesn't model reality.
You and others were given the opportunity to provide any other flowchart you wanted. I'm not surprised that you're now being a scumbag over it.
I found the thread where this typical flowchart was recommended to me, and discussed:

Does Illustration Sum Up Genetic Algorithms & Synthesis?
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 01:12
Post by Lou FCD
Quote (timothya @ April 23 2014,02:22)This one from "jw777" has to be a Poe, surely:
    Quote Strict Materialism as Pornography Addiction

As pointed out in the Dawkins post, I’m currently working on a thesis that proposes atheism is one of a class of neurodegenerative pathologies, hall-marked by substantial downregulation and possible total ischemia of dopaminergic receptors and opiate receptors.

Initial mechanism proposals and meta-analyses are promising. Trying to find a proper control is the elusive variable. My instinct tells me this will sweep discussions like Coyne’s completely aside in the future.
I can think of at least one control.
I don't thing a guy who believes in an Invisible Haploid Zombie who Lives in the Sky and Watches Us Masturbate really should involve "neurodegenerative pathologies" in the discussion.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 00:56
Post by NoName
The plot is the same as it ever was -- as long as you conflate an explanation of intelligence with an explanation of evolution, specifically the evolution of species and higher-order classifications of living things, you are assuming your conclusion.
Which is a hardly the first logical fallacy you've committed, but it lies at the foundation of your efforts.
No further refutation of your effluent is required than to point this out, regardless of the adequacy, or alleged lack thereof, of any other explanation that does not base itself on a fallacy.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 00:16
Post by GaryGaulin
And the plot thickens.

Stuff They Don't Want You to Know - Plant Intelligence
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-24 00:07
Post by Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 23 2014,15:56) Quote (N.Wells @ April 23 2014,07:19)   Quote .....where it currently looks like he's being trashed for mentioning that Uranium was not formed on planet Earth.  No it doesn't.  Joe is so clueless that he misunderstands the arguments raised against his position and does not realize why he is wrong (and you are not following along either).  He countercharges that his opponents don't think that uranium formed off the earth, but no one in that thread has taken that position.  When doing uranium dating, it is irrelevant when and where the uranium formed: it is only relevant when the containing crystal formed and whether the crystal might contain some lead from earlier decays.  After that, we check whether the crystal predates the rock that it is in, or postdates it (whether it is an inclusion from something earlier, or resulted from later metamorphism), or simply formed when the rock formed, but those are resolved by examining fabrics visible in thin sections, examining growth bands in the crystals, checking conditions of formation for that crystal versus the other crystals in the rock, and so forth.
The average person is not going to wade through a long complicated scientific argument going on somewhere else.

From the information that was given, it easily looks like the disagreement is with what Joe was quoted as saying about Uranium not having been formed on/in planet Earth.

And by the way, I once tried setting up one of my HP5988A mass spectrometers (that when tuned just right shows isotope peaks) for dating minerals from the tracksite. After getting into all the prep-work that takes a team of specialists to get right (but by myself take 50+ years and tons of money) I gave up on that idea. It quickly became much cheaper and easier to have that done by a lab.

I very much understand how complex the many many required procedures actually are. The problem is all those who do not. And it looked like you're an expert on that topic, so I suggested you should add what you said to me to Joe's thread.
Translation from the Gaulinese:  I totally made myself look stupid, falling into the same mistake as Joe.  Now my only hope to save face is to complain that other people should have given a long explanation of why Joe is a moron who thinks all scientists are bigger morons to deflect attention from my own idiocy.  Perhaps inventing a bunch of uneducated lurkers that are confused by this remote corner of the Internet.

P.s.  Gary doesn't seem to know what "trolled" means.  Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2014-04-23 20:56
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (N.Wells @ April 23 2014,07:19) Quote .....where it currently looks like he's being trashed for mentioning that Uranium was not formed on planet Earth.  No it doesn't.  Joe is so clueless that he misunderstands the arguments raised against his position and does not realize why he is wrong (and you are not following along either).  He countercharges that his opponents don't think that uranium formed off the earth, but no one in that thread has taken that position.  When doing uranium dating, it is irrelevant when and where the uranium formed: it is only relevant when the containing crystal formed and whether the crystal might contain some lead from earlier decays.  After that, we check whether the crystal predates the rock that it is in, or postdates it (whether it is an inclusion from something earlier, or resulted from later metamorphism), or simply formed when the rock formed, but those are resolved by examining fabrics visible in thin sections, examining growth bands in the crystals, checking conditions of formation for that crystal versus the other crystals in the rock, and so forth.
The average person is not going to wade through a long complicated scientific argument going on somewhere else.

From the information that was given, it easily looks like the disagreement is with what Joe was quoted as saying about Uranium not having been formed on/in planet Earth.

And by the way, I once tried setting up one of my HP5988A mass spectrometers (that when tuned just right shows isotope peaks) for dating minerals from the tracksite. After getting into all the prep-work that takes a team of specialists to get right (but by myself take 50+ years and tons of money) I gave up on that idea. It quickly became much cheaper and easier to have that done by a lab.

I very much understand how complex the many many required procedures actually are. The problem is all those who do not. And it looked like you're an expert on that topic, so I suggested you should add what you said to me to Joe's thread.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2014-04-23 20:49
Post by midwifetoad
I agree that hell is a relatively recent invention. Not particularly a place of punishment in Judaism.

It's fun to see people like JW show up on places like UD.
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Wildlife

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 16:33
Post by Lou FCD
Thanks, Alby! The Gnatcatcher took a lot of patience, as did the Least Tern. The terns are fast, erratic fliers, too, and had the add difficulty of being just post-sunrise on a cloudy morning. I was pretty happy to get anything at all of them.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 15:11
Post by Woodbine
Quote Think about it when thursday comes around.
As if Byers has any idea what day it is.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 15:00
Post by Bob O'H
Quote (keiths @ April 20 2014,23:53)Byers (who else?):
Quote Sounds great but Alabama too fat away from toronto.
bY the way this YEC speculates that Thor, the Germanic god, is actually a memory of a real man who was the first leader of the Germans according to genesis.
i think Gomer is the first german and torgamah , his son, was a leader of a division in the german peoples and lived long and when died they turned his memory into a God. it lasted easily 2500 years.
Think about it when thursday comes around.
According to the source material I've read, Odin was the leader. Thor was just a big guy with a boomerang for a hammer.
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Wildlife

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 14:33
Post by Albatrossity2
Nice shots, Lout! Gnatcatchers are a though capture, since they never sit still for very long. And the Least Tern images are great!
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 14:09
Post by NoName
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 21 2014,09:31) Quote (Nomad @ April 21 2014,06:00)Pssst.  Hey Gary.  You know how you're so proud about your model possessing "rat level navigation"?

How about bird level navigation?

http://researchbank.rmit.edu.au/eserv......sis.pdf

In this instance evolutionary algorithms were used to evolve the control logic to autonomously fly a simulated unmanned aerial vehicle to a landing on board a naval vessel.

Can your bug do that?
Yes.
As poster said not too many pages ago --
An obvious lie.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:36
Post by Patrick
Quote (timothya @ April 20 2014,17:40)From "fossil" at UD:
Quote . . . in a way I am glad that I am not a scientist. I don’t have to worry about what concept is going to go south tomorrow and what I can really believe and trust in – it is bad enough to live in the instability of politics and finance. For me when it comes to knowledge to an extent ignorance is bliss.
Kind of sums it up, really.
Wow.  Thanks for the reminder of why we have to prevent these people from getting any influence on any school board.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:34
Post by OgreMkV
Just visited Joey's little blog. It's pretty funny how much he still stalks me.  But, as I was reading, I came upon this gem...

Quote And decay rates are fine. I am not saying otherwise. But unstable isotopes can start decaying when they are formed and they are not formed on earth. They were decaying for millions or billions of years before the earth formed.

It's as if you are just an ignorant fool who can't think beyond its own ass.

Uranium was formed either by supernovae or via the collision of two neutron stars. So it is decaying/ can decay well before it comes to earth.
https://www.blogger.com/comment....4186811

That's just... wow... much ignorance...
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:31
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Nomad @ April 21 2014,06:00)Pssst.  Hey Gary.  You know how you're so proud about your model possessing "rat level navigation"?

How about bird level navigation?

http://researchbank.rmit.edu.au/eserv......sis.pdf

In this instance evolutionary algorithms were used to evolve the control logic to autonomously fly a simulated unmanned aerial vehicle to a landing on board a naval vessel.

Can your bug do that?
Yes.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:29
Post by OgreMkV
Quote (Quack @ April 21 2014,08:19) Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 21 2014,04:51)... or he has started talking to himself.
I wish he would, that should be something to watch!
I bet he would get so confused, he'd actually lose an argument with himself.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm

AE Public Forum - Mon, 2014-04-21 13:19
Post by Quack
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 21 2014,04:51)... or he has started talking to himself.
I wish he would, that should be something to watch!
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