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Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 01 2013,18:50)Define "self-learn".  Then I can give you a hypothesis that's actually testable.

I can't give you a model, because a model is supposed to represent the real world, we don't know how it happened.  And you don't either.

Your model doesn't actually represent anything.  But you knew that.

To give you an example, slime molds can solve traveling salesman problems... something that you have yet to show your model can.
At least this bully tried to make their excuse for not having a better model look scientific.

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 01 2013,18:20) Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,18:01) Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 01 2013,17:36)I hope that all of you persecutors recognize that it was the pointing out of colossally faulty assumptions, complaints that he didn't comport himself with the standards of science, laughing at his many mistakes, snide remarks, and jeers, that made Galileo recant his position on heliocentrism.  He just couldn't take it, and was unable to properly answer his critics, just like Gary.

Yes, the similarities are downright eerie.

Glen Davidson
All I want to see is your model that demonstrates how biological systems self-learn. The ONLY one that was ever presented in this thread is the one I showed that (among others showing the same thing) has been around for several decades from David Heiserman that applies to cells on up and later Professor Arnold Trehub who showed the same basic schematic for the human brain:



Arnold Trehub, "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....er9.pdf
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....ub....b

Why are you again discrediting me by claiming the same old rubbish that was already proven to be trash?
The mystery deepens every day...

If only for Gary.

Glen Davidson
As it stands, not a single shred of evidence against the model that forms the core of this theory has been presented in this forum. Only thing that has been presented are insulting excuses for not having one.

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 30 2013,23:25)Gary,

What novel introduced the Theory of Relativity?  Or are you retracting your earlier statement about scientific theories?
I am purposely ignoring your constant misrepresentation of what I say, by not answering to something I never said...

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (N.Wells @ Jan. 30 2013,22:12)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 30 2013,19:34)   Quote  I ..... just thought it would be a good idea to show you how easily anyone of any religion (even Atheist religion) can become one too.
As has often been said before, atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.  Atheism is not a religious belief, but the absence of religious beliefs.  It's a matter of going along with the evidence.

The US Supreme Court found otherwise. Your objection is overruled.

Quote (N.Wells @ Jan. 30 2013,22:12)For example, on the basis of the evidence in this thread, it seems to be much easier to become a minister than a scientist.
Whatever.. Just keep the equally science-bashing religious belief you are now defending out of the US public school science classroom, or else face the same fate as the Dover, PA school board members.

Post by blipey
Gary,

What novel introduced the Theory of Relativity?  Or are you retracting your earlier statement about scientific theories?

Post by The whole truth
Quote (Robin @ Jan. 30 2013,08:37) Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 24 2013,00:33)Way cool:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs......84.html
That is way cool! Thanks for sharing that TWT!
You're welcome Robin, and I want to add that I really enjoy the pictures you post and the pictures that other people post.

Post by N.Wells
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 30 2013,19:34) Quote  I ..... just thought it would be a good idea to show you how easily anyone of any religion (even Atheist religion) can become one too.
As has often been said before, atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.  Atheism is not a religious belief, but the absence of religious beliefs.  It's a matter of going along with the evidence.

For example, on the basis of the evidence in this thread, it seems to be much easier to become a minister than a scientist.

Post by OgreMkV
Quite a long time ago, someone... somewhere posted a graph of publications for Behe... showing how many papers were published each year.

Does anyone know if that app is still available (it was an app, not a look up and build an excel spreadsheet) and where it is?

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 30 2013,18:11) Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 30 2013,17:07)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 30 2013,05:36)         Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 27 2013,16:32)         Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 27 2013,15:53)Oh, this is too good.

Gary now claims he is an ordained minister for the Church of the God Within. Seems legit, eh?

A quick Googling brings up this site.

Here's a taste....



Typical crazy website.com. But it gets better! Hey let's click on the title banner....NSFW!!!!



Whoops a daisy!... :O

Salon magazine did an article on 'Ordained Minister' Kellie Everts. Here's the front page.



So there we have it. I really don't know what to say. But, fuck this is some quality kinky tard we've unearthed!

:D
No that is not the one, nor was it a "new religion". They were OK with my scientific Methodist experience and I soon received my ordination in the mail.
So the outfit that Gary was associated with was a *different* "Church of the God Within"? Can Gary provide a link to a webpage or even a corresponding address of the "Church of the God Within" that he was associated with?

My expectation is that he can't.
Date of ordination is July 7, 1979

It was signed by Rev. Stephen J. Postal D.D.



If you want to become an ordained Minister too then here's some of the many options that are available to you for free (but it will not have a big gold seal and look as nice as mine):

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/....ism....ism.com
http://www.atheistactivist.org/Ordaine....ed.html

P.S. I got mine through mail order and have no idea what the (if there is one) church is like, I was never there.
GuideStar hasn't got much to go on with that.

Why does Gary think I would want an atheist ordination? He is very uninformed about me.
It's very likely that the "Church of the God Within Inc." no longer exists, especially after the IRS got wise to people using them for cheating on income taxes (I only got mine as a protest against religious corruption that was becoming rampant and all the senseless science bashing).

I didn't think you would be interested in becoming a legally ordained Minister but just thought it would be a good idea to show you how easily anyone of any religion (even Atheist religion) can become one too.

Post by Patrick
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 30 2013,19:41)You'd think we would have already done so if we were really as intent on serving Satan as they claim that we are.  I mean really, I only want to serve Satan a little bit.

Glen Davidson
C'mon, he deserves more than that.

Post by Glen Davidson
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 30 2013,15:55)JoeMorreale1187 makes some silly comments on that thread, but hey, he's new to UD. Leave it to long-timer StephenB to state the UD/ID position in a nutshell:
    Quote Transformation in Christ is the only evolution that matters.
Link
ASSF!
Yes, it's amazing, we've conspired for years to claim that ID was all about religion, only for Corny, StephenB, etc., to point out now that all that really matters is, you know, religion.  And we should consider becoming the atheist-boot-licking sellouts, the theistic evolutionists.

Why, so we could seduce more Christians to perdition?  You'd think we would have already done so if we were really as intent on serving Satan as they claim that we are.  I mean really, I only want to serve Satan a little bit.

Glen Davidson

Post by GaryGaulin
Oops, I was in a rush and forgot the link to the info on dancing bots (not programmed animatronic robots).

http://talkrational.org/showthr....t990115

Since I'm considered dirt I'm not worthy of the privilege to edit posts. This reply goes with the last one I made.

Post by JohnW
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 30 2013,15:59)JoeMorreale has just revealed himself to be a muslim. Prompting this:

link

  Quote Ask your Muslim friends to join in! UD needs fresh perspectives to broaden the focus of ID science beyond sectarian Christianity. After all, science is science and Islam has made signal contributions to scientific progress.

ID has some kind of rootedness in sectarian christianity?

Well, Shut, my, mouth!
Hmmm...
Quote 8  JoeMorreale1187 January 30, 2013 at 11:59 am

There is a great book ‘The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist case for the existence for the Soul’ by Mario Beauragard and Denyse O’Leary which I highly recommend .
Poe, or a Denyse sockpuppet trolling for business?

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 30 2013,09:36)gary can you program your bug to "choose" to dance and sing some little ditty it made up about how the ravens are going to win the superbowl?  

that would be pretty cool.  and certainly intelligently caused right?  think i am getting the hang of this new terminology now.
Actually yes.

See this link but do not play the first (and probably the best) video for the Stuner-X that is no longer on YouTube. Link to a still working video is here:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....AVyxvXM

Post by Wesley R. Elsberry
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 30 2013,17:07) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 30 2013,05:36)       Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 27 2013,16:32)       Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 27 2013,15:53)Oh, this is too good.

Gary now claims he is an ordained minister for the Church of the God Within. Seems legit, eh?

A quick Googling brings up this site.

Here's a taste....



Typical crazy website.com. But it gets better! Hey let's click on the title banner....NSFW!!!!



Whoops a daisy!... :O

Salon magazine did an article on 'Ordained Minister' Kellie Everts. Here's the front page.



So there we have it. I really don't know what to say. But, fuck this is some quality kinky tard we've unearthed!

:D
No that is not the one, nor was it a "new religion". They were OK with my scientific Methodist experience and I soon received my ordination in the mail.
So the outfit that Gary was associated with was a *different* "Church of the God Within"? Can Gary provide a link to a webpage or even a corresponding address of the "Church of the God Within" that he was associated with?

My expectation is that he can't.
Date of ordination is July 7, 1979

It was signed by Rev. Stephen J. Postal D.D.



If you want to become an ordained Minister too then here's some of the many options that are available to you for free (but it will not have a big gold seal and look as nice as mine):

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/....ism....ism.com
http://www.atheistactivist.org/Ordaine....ed.html

P.S. I got mine through mail order and have no idea what the (if there is one) church is like, I was never there.
GuideStar hasn't got much to go on with that.

Why does Gary think I would want an atheist ordination? He is very uninformed about me.

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (damitall @ Jan. 30 2013,08:05) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 30 2013,07:41)"...a nonrandom force guided self-assembly process"

There is trouble with grammar and/or punctuation that renders this unintelligible.  I can't even suggest a correction because I have no idea what you're trying to describe.
I suspect that "guided self-assembly" or "guided assembly" might come closer to what he thinks he means.

It's a moot point as to whether "guided" and "self" are mutually exclusive in the context.

Whatever.
Yesterday, after adding the word "collective", I rewrote it a number of ways including without the word "force" then let my wife pick the one that made the most sense to her. The only one she liked was what I started with that has the word "force" in it, because of that being a big help to someone like her with no background in science. Your objection was overruled, in order to make the theory understandable to those who do more than scan for keywords to make a religious issue out of.

Post by stevestory
JoeMorreale has just revealed himself to be a muslim. Prompting this:

link

Quote Ask your Muslim friends to join in! UD needs fresh perspectives to broaden the focus of ID science beyond sectarian Christianity. After all, science is science and Islam has made signal contributions to scientific progress.

ID has some kind of rootedness in sectarian christianity?

Well, Shut, my, mouth!

Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 30 2013,05:33) Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 27 2013,18:09)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 27 2013,17:49)       Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 27 2013,16:17)         Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 27 2013,15:42)Simple question:  What do almost all "blacklisted theories" have in common?
They eventually became the most important theories in science. That’s because the more paradigm changing they are, the harder hidebound academics fight them. Therefore Galileo and others ended up in a battle where they were forced to instead address their arguments to the enlightened public at large.

History is repeating itself. And all who see no importance in trying to make sense of the theory are getting what they deserve, for having chosen the path they took...
Gary doesn't know much about history. He has a fantasy about Galileo that  might have occurred in some alternate universe.
Do you have evidence that this (one of a number of accounts including PBS documentary) is incorrect?

    Quote Soon, however, Galileo--flamboyant by nature--decided that Copernicus was worth a fight. He decided to address his arguments to the enlightened public at large, rather than the hidebound academics.  He saw more hope for gaining support among businessmen, gentlemen, princes, and Jesuit astronomers than among the vested apologists of universities.  He seemed compelled to act as a consultant in natural philosophy to all who would listen.  He wrote  in tracts, pamphlets, letters, and dialogues--not in the turgid, polysyllabic manner of a university pedant, but simply and directly.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty....nt.html

All evidence indicates that you're just another academic apologist, helping to twist the truth, for personal political gain.
It might help if Gary read the essay that Gary was quoting from, where is it clear that the hidebound academics Galileo had trouble with were clerics in the Catholic Church. Nor was Galileo forced to address the general public; it was because he chose to do so that the Holy Inquisition of the Catholic Church forced him to *stop* doing so.

Unfortunately, it seems that Gary is not open to any other procedure than proof-texting.
Galileo's professors (who first tried to get rid of him) were "clerics in the Catholic Church"?

What does the word "Jesuit" (as in "Jesuit astronomers" he gained support from) mean?

Coming up with the term "proof-texting" was also a sleazy way to attempt to discredit the theory that I add to as I find new evidence and information that it needs..

Post by stevestory
Here's a dose of high-octane woo tard

here's a taste:

Quote The room belonged to Christopher Key, who was in town to demonstrate the wares of S.W.A.T.S. -- Sports with Alternatives to Steroids -- a two-man company run out of the back of a gym near Birmingham. Stocky and genial, with short black hair carefully curled at his forehead, Key began by telling the players that there would be thousands of cellphones in the Superdome the following night and that frequencies from those phones would be swirling through their bodies. "They're going to affect you guys very negatively," Key said rapidly and with a twang. "We figured out a way to manipulate that so that you aren't affected . . . [to] give you strength, give you balance, give you flexibility and help with pain."

This time, while holding the phone to Dial's chest, Key easily forced the player's arm down to his side. Dial smirked, bemused. "What happened," Key said, "was the frequencies from the phone, as soon as they came into your energy field, they zapped ya, like a Taser."
__
And then Key passed out his remedy for the frequencies: stickers, which he calls chips, bearing holograms of a pyramid. Key told the players that on game day they should place the chips on three acupuncture points -- one on the inside of each wrist before they tape their arms (the chips also come embedded in bracelets), and one over the heart. "It's going to help your heart have so much more energy," he said. "Come the fourth quarter, you guys will not be gassed at all."

Post by Glen Davidson
Has Gary jumped ship?

Quote

There is massive problems with the myth and fairy tale theory of natural selection acting on random mutations NDE.
Its false and its about time over 150 lie and disgrace is made public and official.

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JoeMorreale1187January 30, 2013 at 11:48 am

It’s been proven that NDE cannot account for the origin of information and neither of its increase and continuation. This is not Religion but the scientific evidence that has demonstrated this .


Ok, poking at poor Gary, who misses points about as badly as this dolt whining about near death experience not accounting for the origin or increase of information.

But if you're judged by the company you keep, Lord, these people are stupid.  Fine, you don't have to judge the "leading lights" by the morons they attract, since they're all moronic sounding simply by themselves, regardless of whether or not they could think better.

Glen Davidson