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AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 23:40
Post by Patrick
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 26 2013,18:10)I live in the Deep South. On the way to this taco bell literally 10 minutes ago, I went to a Bank of America drive-thru ATM. There are two atms, separated by 30 feet, so two cars can use the lane at the same time.

The guy who pulled in ahead of me, with me immediately behind him, pulled up to the first machine and used that one while I waited for 5 minutes.

These people exist, Patrick.
I grew up in Maine, at the other end of Appalachia.  The only difference between the cultures is that one has grits and the other has snow.  I know too well that they exist, but I'm enjoying my Boxing Day cheer-based delusions.

Stop popping my damn thought balloons!
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 23:10
Post by stevestory
I live in the Deep South. On the way to this taco bell literally 10 minutes ago, I went to a Bank of America drive-thru ATM. There are two atms, separated by 30 feet, so two cars can use the lane at the same time.

The guy who pulled in ahead of me, with me immediately behind him, pulled up to the first machine and used that one while I waited for 5 minutes.

These people exist, Patrick.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 22:36
Post by Patrick
Quote (Quack @ Dec. 26 2013,17:09) Quote "outstanding"
? Sure it isn't an impostor?
I think they're all impostors.  UD is just a long-running piece of collaborative performance art, full of Poes, making the point "How ridiculous would this be, if people really thought this way?"  C'mon, have any of you ever met anyone like that cast of characters in real life?  Even one person?  There's no way any of them could function in normal society.

I'd lie awake nights if I allowed myself to seriously consider the alternative.
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Cornelius Hunter Thread

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 22:31
Post by Occam's Aftershave
LOL!  After all this time Corny Hunter is still managing to come up with new ways to make himself look like a scientifically illiterate boob.  This time it's "Problems With the Canonical Giant-Impact Model of Moon Evolution" disprove evolutionary theory!  Some highlights:

  Quote Modern evolutionary theories attempting to explain the Earth-Moon system go back to the late nineteenth century when George Darwin, son of Charles, proposed that the Moon was made of materials ejected from the Earth by tidal instabilities.
...

The many patches added to evolutionary theories result in high complexity and loss of parsimony. One example that Robin Canup recently discussed is the origin of the Earth-Moon system.

Canup’s acknowledgment of the problem is a rare exception to the rule of declaring evolution to be a scientific fact regardless of the failures.

I won't link to the boob's blog since he has started implementing UD style censoring but go look for yourself if you need a good laugh.   The DI and BIOLA must be so proud to have a science scholar of his caliber on their staff.      
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 22:09
Post by Quack
Quote "outstanding"
? Sure it isn't an impostor?
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 20:18
Post by Patrick
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,14:44) Quote KRock December 25, 2013 at 8:57 am

Merry Christmas to all. The work you guys are doing at UD, is “outstanding.” I look forward to a new year of brilliantly written articles… as well as learning about all the new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism.

All the best.

I think that's spelled Crock.

Link
Perhaps someone with a still living sock will ask KRock to list his top three examples of "new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism" from 2013.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 19:44
Post by CeilingCat
Quote KRock December 25, 2013 at 8:57 am

Merry Christmas to all. The work you guys are doing at UD, is “outstanding.” I look forward to a new year of brilliantly written articles… as well as learning about all the new discoveries and advancements in science that continue to loosen the grip of Neo Darwinism.

All the best.

I think that's spelled Crock.

Link
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 18:39
Post by fnxtr
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Dec. 26 2013,10:02) Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,11:35)74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?
I was thinking first fall when I saw that.

I certainly don't have the calculations or any such thing to say that the wings are too small, but they look about the size of wings of woodducklings when they jump out and fall to the ground.  I don't think any of that fuzz could be considered to be flight feathers, in any case.

Glen Davidson
"Notice 'ow they do not so much fly, as plummet."
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 18:02
Post by Glen Davidson
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 26 2013,11:35)74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?
I was thinking first fall when I saw that.

I certainly don't have the calculations or any such thing to say that the wings are too small, but they look about the size of wings of woodducklings when they jump out and fall to the ground.  I don't think any of that fuzz could be considered to be flight feathers, in any case.

Glen Davidson
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 17:44
Post by stevestory
Because of click-bait i almost automatically decline to follow any link with numbers in the title, but that is a great link.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 17:35
Post by CeilingCat
74 - Airplane view of a distant storm and especially 69 - Invisible Reflection make up for a lot of overly long and turgid posts.  

57 - Waterspouts over the Adriatic makes me wonder what the heck is going on there.  I don't think Goddidit is an adequate answer.

Can any duck experts tell us if the wings in #29 - First Flight are actually big enough to fly?
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 03:11
Post by N.Wells
Gary, Happy Christmas and all that, but your ways of hyphenating and non-hyphenating have never been acceptable.  I share your preference for double quotes to distinguish them from apostrophes, but this has not been an issue, so why are you raising it, except to distract people from the many failures in your writing that are under discussion.

Really, take your sentence, "You are attempting to speak for scientists who do not benefit from all in cognitive science being proudly ignored at the K-12 level by self-appointed science-censors in it who want to control how the “I” word is used in the public school science classroom."  Your sentence suffers from multiple errors of fact.  First, no scientists think that anyone benefits from ignoring everything in cognitive science.  Second, no one is trying to speak for those non-existent scientists.  Third, no one is trying to "control the use of the word "intelligence" in the way that you appear to be implying: all educators are trying to get students to use words properly and to provide definitions wherever there might be doubt or the writer wishes to use a nonstandard usage (if you'd been paying attention, you would have noticed that we've been asking you to stick to standard usage (and just one usage) AND/OR provide operational definitions that allow us to figure out what the heck you are talking about.  Beyond all that, just try to diagram your sentence in a way that explains what "in it" is supposed to be referring to.  It is (just barely) possible that you know what you meant to say in that rat's-nest, but I assure you that the rest of humanity is making guesses in the dark about your intentions.

Your idiosyncratic hyphenation and your weird phrasings and abundant grammatical errors just add to your sudden shifts in what words are supposed to mean, creating the result of constantly derailing your readers and severely impeding their comprehension.  The purpose of writing is communication, including transference of comprehension from you to your audience.  To the extent that you are managing any communication, that happens more in spite of your writing than because of it.  That is not good.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 02:54
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2013,15:55)Gary's mental state is a mystery. He must get some kind of benefit from telling himself he is doing Important Science Work That is Being Suppressed. But we don't know much beyond that.
I'm talking about spreading scientific misinformation and stereotypes through classrooms, that make it impossible for reason to prevail.

But here's one from Panda's Thumb that I wanted to make sure to mention, because it's a welcome sign, indicating your side of the issue is getting closer to reality:

How the great scientists reasoned: book review

It's scientifically unethical to send a person endlessly running in circles by demanding “falsification” and other tactics to brush-off entire theories. But if you actually believe that's the way science works then it seems the opposite.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 02:50
Post by CeilingCat
I must have friended BA77 once or something.  I always see his latest shenanigans when I log onto Facebook.

This time he actually has something that's interesting - the 75 best pictures of the year:

http://www.artfido.com/blog.......or-2013

Thank you Philip and Merry Christmas to you too.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 02:12
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2013,15:55)mentally figuring out where he needed hyphens and didn't use them, and where he used them and shouldn't have,
And on hyphens: I have way more to worry about than the latest proper etiquette, which apparently does not join words into one with them anymore.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2013-12-26 01:45
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2013,15:55)mentally figuring out where he needed hyphens and didn't use them, and where he used them and shouldn't have,
The way I was taught to punctuate:
Quote John's “Hi Ya'll” isn't “kosher”.

The new way that's being taught on the internet:
Quote John's 'Hi Ya'll' isn't 'kosher'.

I fail to see any improvement in readability. In fact it looks ridiculous to me.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2013-12-25 23:21
Post by fnxtr
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2013,14:03)   Quote But there is no other way I know of to safely get all of science back on track again, after such a divisive conflict, that's "real" too.

One Man....
...in a world...
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2013-12-25 22:19
Post by stevestory
Gary reminds me of my sophomore thermodynamics prof at NCSU. He said shortly after he got to NC State, he found a couple of nutjob 'science' manifestoes in his department mail. He skimmed them, saw they were deranged nonsense, and threw them in the trash. Wacko stuff, he said. "Proofs" that Relativity is wrong, or evolution is Rong because SLoT, or that the earth is really 6000 years old, etc. then the next week, he got a few more, same thing, tossed them in the trash. Week after, same thing, more gibberish manifestoes. Finally, he got a little exasperated, and went and found the dept. secretary, and said, "You know, this is a big physics faculty (~30, it's a big engineering school), don't give me all the nutcase submissions, spread em out around the whole department."

and she replied, "I do."
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2013-12-25 22:03
Post by stevestory
Quote But there is no other way I know of to safely get all of science back on track again, after such a divisive conflict, that's "real" too.

One Man....
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Wed, 2013-12-25 21:55
Post by stevestory
Gary's mental state is a mystery. He must get some kind of benefit from telling himself he is doing Important Science Work That is Being Suppressed. But we don't know much beyond that.

His sentences are more parsable if you read them a few times, mentally figuring out where he needed hyphens and didn't use them, and where he used them and shouldn't have, and trying to figure out what the subject was when he leaves it off the front of the sentence.

take that line "You are attempting to speak for scientists who do not benefit from all in cognitive science being proudly ignored at the K-12 level by self-appointed science-censors in it who want to control how the “I” word is used in the public school science classroom."

after reading it about 5 times, I've teased out the structure. He seems to be saying:

1) scientists would benefit from 'all in cognitive science'
2) but it's been blocked from K-12 science classrooms
3) by us, the censors
4) while we are pretending to speak for said scientists

None of this makes any sense, but that seems to be what he's attempting to communicate in that rambling mess of a sentence.
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