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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:39   

One "crandaddy" posted at UncommonDescent  couple of weeks ago, the following sillyness: "The
Dilemma of Joe the Archaeologist."


Since it mentioned archaeology as a source of support for IDiocy, I took a closer look.  

crandaddy used two images,

Image #1

and

 Image #2

crandaddy placed these images into an unlikely scenario of an archaeologist, Joe, wandering off into the Andes Mountains looking for some mega-site to excavate.  Joe is grant funded, is associated with a major university, and has two work crews.  These teams produced the two photos above, and "Joe" has the dilemma of chosing where to dig.

The first image is to be taken by a naive observer as the product of natural events and thus "less designed" than the other.  This is therefore intuitive "proof" that there is "design" that "design" is easy to recognize and that this is taken to be evidence of God. (This last bit is based on the open admission by all principle IDiot "theorists" that their
"Designer's" real name is Yahweh).  

First, let's clarify a few trivial points; The first image is from some rocks in Simi Valley California, the second image is of an Olmec sculpture currently in Villahemosa,Tabasco Mex. and was originally excavated at the early Olmec site of La Venta.  Another trivial point is that I have conducted research at all of these locations.*  So for openers, Joe needs a new job, becasue he will be fired for not knowing whether he is in California, Mexico, or somewhere over the rainbow.  At least we know he is not in Kansas, because many of the State School Board there believe ID BS.

But, crandaddy has illuminated a few knobs on the IDista's noggin' for us.  First, there is the notion that that any fool can get lots of grant money.  Because we also know that "Joe" is a scientist and a university associate, and that grants come from poor tax payers we "know" that intellectual scientists (who are actually all fools) are all ripping-off the poor tax payer.  

But more interesting is that here in California, and probably all over the world, there are natural, unmodified rock formations which are though to have some resemblance to some human feature.  Many are taken to resemble human genitals and they are worshipped as aids to fertility.  These sorts of sites are well attested in ethnography (eg. "Ceremonial Fertility Sites in Southern California." Charlotte McGowan, 1982 San Diego museum of Man).
 
For example, maybe davescot can recall some of his photographic inspired sexual  fantasies and identify this image?



This is a basic error of IDiots: There is no difficulty in finding patterns and inventing associations.  All cognizant people do this all the time.  Science has the more difficult task of rejecting false patterns and spurious associations.  


* I logged-in over at UD to point this out in two posts.  The first substantive post was blocked and the second posted with a "spell flame" from the ever pathetic davescot.  Oh well, as Bill Demski is so fond of saying, "Pearls before Swine ..."  Except Dembski needs to offer retractions, and I don't.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,13:59   

It might have been a better idea to post that at the official Uncommonly Dense thread, since we know DS & WD check that thread regularly.

Welcome aboard, BTW.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,14:03   

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Second. The first one could conceivably be the product of erosion. The second one, no way.

Explanatory filter.

Comment by geoffrobinson June 7, 2006
@ 9:29 pm


Here I always thought you had to calculate the CSI to use the EF, but apparently, you apply the EF by just saying "Explanatory Filter".

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,14:19   

Quote (stevestory @ June 21 2006,19:03)
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Second. The first one could conceivably be the product of erosion. The second one, no way.

Explanatory filter.

Comment by geoffrobinson June 7, 2006
@ 9:29 pm


Here I always thought you had to calculate the CSI to use the EF, but apparently, you apply the EF by just saying "Explanatory Filter".

Kind of like saying "tag, you're it".

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,15:36   

hmm, this comparison sparked an old memory of a famous argument about false "design" detection based on the "face on Mars", but I can't recall the specific reference now.

anybody recall what I'm referring to?

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,16:06   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 21 2006,20:36)
hmm, this comparison sparked an old memory of a famous argument about false "design" detection based on the "face on Mars", but I can't recall the specific reference now.

anybody recall what I'm referring to?

I thought that was Jesus faces on tortillas...?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,16:14   

Geoff does, unwittingly, confirm what the real Intelligent Design algorithm is, as used in practice. 1 Using side information and pattern matching, decide something is designed. 2 say some terminology...CSI, IC, Explanatory Filter, what have you.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,16:28   

I knew i would remember it eventually:

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/12/icons_of_id_equ.html

I'd specify particular worthy quotes, but there were a lot of them in the discussion, along with references to other similar examples of false design detection.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,20:42   



a favorite hike of mine on Mt. Hood. They call it Castle Rock.

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deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2006,23:24   

Bah, I think this one is about as specified as it gets:

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2006,02:58   

Which reminds me of an old early 70's movie where a couple make love on the beach, the guy asks "Was that good for you" the girl answers "No, too much sand".

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2006,06:08   

DeadMan,
Northern California???

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Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

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deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2006,21:24   

BWE: I don't KNOW!!!. I grabbed that off a Russian server about 4 years ago just because it was weird..but I *THINK* it might be the Turkish coast for some reason.

By the way, I used to live in Mosier, Oregon -- not too far from The Dalles/Mt. Hood. Of course, that was eons ago.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2006,15:26   

Poor fella has a 10 Year Woody

That's pretty much all I have to say about that.

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