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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,16:09   

http://dailywingnut.wordpress.com/about/

I set up this blog a while back. If anyone wants to be a contributor, or has any ideas for stories, please discuss.

Categories so far:
       Artists  
Atheism
Conservatives
Liberals
Media
Psuedo Science
Religion
Woo
Intellectuals
Hicks

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,19:54   

Quote (BWE @ April 23 2008,16:09)
http://dailywingnut.wordpress.com/about/

I set up this blog a while back. If anyone wants to be a contributor, or has any ideas for stories, please discuss.

Categories so far:
       Artists  
Atheism
Conservatives
Liberals
Media
Psuedo Science
Religion
Woo
Intellectuals
Hicks

I’m tempted to post about the Total Tools ™ that teem in the Main Stream Media and on Cable, but the likes of a Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity make me as physically ill as a Top Tard Screed from a BA77 or an O’Leary.

There HAS to be at least a PhD, or a least a BOOK in writing about the subject of wing-nuts, the why and the deep similarities between the various wing-nuttery people out there.

Is this the kind of thing you are talking about, or do you really want a serious paper, with research, citations, and spell check?

Is this like ID?  Do we get extra points for any and all quote mines?  Bonus points for Leviticus and/or Genesis quotes?

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,22:52   

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I’m tempted to post about the Total Tools ™ that teem in the Main Stream Media and on Cable, but the likes of a Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity make me as physically ill as a Top Tard Screed from a BA77 or an O’Leary.

There HAS to be at least a PhD, or a least a BOOK in writing about the subject of wing-nuts, the why and the deep similarities between the various wing-nuttery people out there.

Is this the kind of thing you are talking about, or do you really want a serious paper, with research, citations, and spell check?

Is this like ID?  Do we get extra points for any and all quote mines?  Bonus points for Leviticus and/or Genesis quotes?

Serious? No. Biting? Yes. One thing, you'd have to be prepared to defend your statements should they choose to show up and defend themselves but it's all opinion baby. Every category can have subcategories too for people. I was kind of thinking about doing specific people.

Anyway, PM me and I'll set you up a contributor password. The about page is really a statement of purpose. It could be refined.

PS, Thanks for the reply.
PPS, I did the header all in a rush this morning but I'll make a better one in the next two days. Same basic art just cleaner.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2008,15:14   

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This is how it works.The amount of tard available on the internet is increasing at an exponential rate and we need people to document it, comment on it, mock it, love it, compassionately embrace it and use it for nefarious or noble purposes. It’s too big of a job for just one guy. I’m actively seeking recruits to help me root out tard wherever it may pop up. Not just root it out but follow it around, study it, analyze it and encourage friends neighbors and those above the legal tard viewing ages to comment on it.

Can't we do all that by reading FTK's blog?

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2008,15:34   

The point is to collect it in a single place with a single organizing principle.

I did put up a new post this morning.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2008,22:35   

First, Thanks Erasmus for the Dembski post.
Second, Still looking for authors. If you have any ideas, or want to be an author, please let me know.

third: I'm just crossposting the wingnut post here because it's just frickin good tard. Maybe it should be in the expelled thread but it's really about a wingnut. And, That is, after all, what this thread is about.

Actually, Lou, could you retitle the thread to Wingnuts?


belief in the face of reality
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Wingnuttery may, in its most basic form, boil down to believing something that evidence refutes, and making it a personal mission to spread that erronious belief. Religious wingnuts dominate the news at present due to effects of the current movie, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” bringing them up out of their bomb shelters.

Today’s wingnut, Bob Ellis, posting an article called Dawkins the Firebreathing Baptist at www.dakotavoice.com, cheering for the fringe by supporting the movie, says:

   
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Perhaps one of the things that upsets some of the high apostles of the religion of evolution (when I say “evolution” I’m referring to the common understanding of it, which includes both materialism and naturalism) is that they let their guard down during interviews for the film, and for the first time many people are seeing some of their attitudes in relative transparency.

   For many years I (and others) have called evolution, materialism and naturalism a religion. After all, not only does it require at least as much faith to believe in, once you understand how impossible is the whole scenario, but many of it’s adherents cling to it with a fervor that would make some Baptists look like slackers.


One of the comments, posted by someone named Richard, as follows:

   
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Bob, I’m not sure you really understand what evolution is. It is NOT an explanation of creation. It does NOT say “there is no Creator”: scientists are still trying to work out how life started, so we’ll get back to you on that one.

   It IS the way that life develops and changes from one species to the next. It explains why preferential genes in one generation are passed onto the next, eventually leading to the development of distinct species in different environments. Do you understand why this is an important difference?

   I have one other question for you actually. You say that everything was created in 6 days, in accordance to the Bible, and yet earlier you mentioned that no-one was around when the dinosaurs died out, so how can anyone really know what happened back then?

   That doesn’t make sense to me. Are you a Creationist or not? Are you saying dinosaurs died out before man evolved? Or are you saying God created everything in six days? Or are you saying dinosaurs never existed, they’re just lies planted by God to fool us for… some reason that eludes me? Consistency, please. Unless that’s too much to ask.

Bob responded. This response is such a perfect example of wingnut thinking I decided to immortalize it here:

Bob said:

   
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Richard, I understand exactly what evolution is, and I understand that there are variations of it which include “theistic evolution” which tries to marry traditional atheistic evolution to a belief in God. However, that is not the dominant meaning when evolution is discussed. The dominant one takes place in a universe where there is no God, and in examining origins, the question must go all the way back to how life originated in the first place, and in answering THAT question you have to ultimately go back to how the universe came to be in the first place. You cannot really compartmentalize the questions.


Why would you say that? It is you who hold this view and it is not only not ‘dominant’ in the scientific community, it is not ‘there’. You erected this strawman and are busy lighting him on fire while the rest of us look on in amazement.

No. Evolution is, to quote some famous scientist or another, only “On the origin of species.”

It states only that speciation is a result of mutation and natural selection. Nothing else.

Nope. Not that. Nope not that either. Nope nope nope. None of those. Only speciation. And nothing about god. Nothing.

If you don’t like naturalism, rail away sir. If you don’t like science, well, sorry. Don’t read.

Bob continues:

   
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We know God created the universe in six days because that’s what God told Moses; it’s written in the book of Genesis. No human was there, until Adam and Eve on Day Six, and there is no surviving written record of creation earlier than the account written by Moses. But God was there, and I don’t think He has any reason to lie or mislead about it. And since not a single thing in the Bible has been proved false, I think it’s safe to believe what it says about creation.


What about the prophecy of Tyre? What about genesis and the flood?
Er, what about the exodus?

Anyway, that’s an assertion that, given interest from Bob, I would challenge on the basis of it’s basic wingntuttery.

But that aside, Bob goes on to say,

   
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The dinosaurs were around at the same time as man, created only one day before humans. They likely died out after the global flood. There are indications from the Bible and from geological observations that the climate of the earth is very different now than it was in the early years after creation. They likely were unable to survive in the cooler, drier climate post-flood.


Er, there is no geological observation for the early years after creation. If you were to accept that there were, you would have to accept that there is validity to geological observations which universally indicate a planet that is over four and a half billion years old.

And, um, how the hell can anyone hold the belief that Dinos and people lived together? Ahhh. Right. Be a wingnut. Bob explains as he concludes his reply to Richard:

   
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I know you’re too closed-minded to even consider this, but you asked, so here’s your answer.

Thanks for proving the obtuseness of the evolutionary mindset which Expelled points to. Yours and most of the comments here just continue to illustrate the accuracy of Stein’s film.


Wonderful answer Bob. I know that I am likely blinded by evolutionary dogma but I think you are a victim of something called Morton’s Demon.

What a crazy cool example you offer.


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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,04:57   

Quote (BWE @ April 29 2008,23:35)
Actually, Lou, could you retitle the thread to Wingnuts?

How's that?

I was gonna subtitle it "...and the BWEs who love them".

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,05:36   

That's good Lou. Thanks. Does it make me weird to be so intrigued by the lunatic fringe?

They serve as both a warning and entertainment. They baffle and amaze. They are ID, Global warming deniers, tinfoil hat wearers, political ideologues, religious fundamentalists, artists, moms, dads, teachers, bricklayers and engineers.

They are sometimes all of us and they are always some of us.

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Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,05:44   

Quote (BWE @ April 30 2008,06:36)
Does it make me weird to be so intrigued by the lunatic fringe?

Not any weirder than NTSB investigators, I guess.  I'm often fascinated by the crazies, but I tend to gorge and purge.  Fairly regularly I get so disgusted I have to take a break or risk a TARD overdose.  A TARD OD is rather dangerous.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,05:49   

Like a DEA agent who gets hooked on crack and becomes his target?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,07:31   

More like this, I think:



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Done, by Never Was An Arrow II


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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2009,21:42   

http://www.dailywingnut.com/ML

just turned on a little forum to try to catalog some wingnuttery.
From the blog I started last year:
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http://dailywingnut.wordpress.com/about/



This is how it works.The amount of tard available on the internet is increasing at an exponential rate and we need people to document it, comment on it, mock it, love it, compassionately embrace it and use it for nefarious or noble purposes. It’s too big of a job for just one guy. I’m actively seeking recruits to help me root out tard wherever it may pop up. Not just root it out but follow it around, study it, analyze it and encourage friends neighbors and those above the legal tard viewing ages to comment on it.

This is a difficult and dangerous assignment and I want to make sure any volunteers fully understand the risks. We will be examining tard across the political spectrum, tard from the most fecally polluted religious sources, tard from popular culture and business-in short, we are undertaking a monumental cataloging of the ridiculousness of the human race as recorded on the various hard-drives across the fiber optic neural pathways of the internet.

If you want to assist in this venture, please let me know by leaving a comment below. I will set you up as a contributor in your chosen field of expertise.

Moderation of comments will be kept to a minimum due to the potential for serendipitous tard should a target wish to offer a rebuttal. Should we discover that one of our ranks has committed the tard inadvertently, we will acknowledge that tard in a special place with a special award.

Are you with me? or are you with the tard?

and:
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I wish I had coined the word “wingnuttosphere” , unfortunately is has been used before.

   Results 1 - 10 of about 611 for wingnuttosphere. (0.15 seconds)

Regardless, I hope to at least move the term into mainstream modern parlance. As the examples of the previous posts demonstrate, there are members of the lunatic fringe who manage to put together coherent sentences and organized thoughts (aside from being often bizarrely wrong). These people, at present, we have one William Dembski, a petulant PhD. with a penchant for screaming tard, a certain Ray Comfort who holds up a banana and points out how wonderful the perfectly the hand is built for self-pleasuring. This in an argument for the existence of God. And we have seen the movie “expelled: No intelligence Allowed” which really needs no further explanation as to its own ridiculousness.

The interesting thing about this particular wingnuttery, is that a small but vocal group of human beings identify with the material and take up the cause. Those people feed on the effluent produced at the nodes of lunatic fringe. The ideas, rantings, ravings, unbelievable numbnuttery and sheer bokersness of the originators of wingnuttery, are usually directly contrary to observed reality. The Dembskis, Comforts and propaganda “documentary” makers of the world stand up, back straight to the gale, staring the blot of reality straight in the face and proclaim, “Reality! Begone ye pesky spot! Out! Out damn spot, out I say! I do not believe in you!”

Which makes it all the more fascinating that they find people willing to take up their banner.

But do not make the mistake that wingnuttery is confined to the Christian Conservative movement in the United States. On the contrary, it is found at the edges of any idea. Environmentalism, economics, left-wing, right-wing, the wing stands for wingnut. And to all who believe so strongly in theiir convictions that they feel justified in discarding reality, being economical with the truth, flying into rages at those who would dare oppose your most perfect truth, to those people I say this:

You are absolutely fascinating. How can you manage to do it so consistently?

And, I will be quoting you so you might want to consider your statements.

Yeah. That’ll happen.

:)
-BWE


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When wished on the morning star
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2009,11:12   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzvaXWiZDE

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Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2009,11:21   

Woo and pseudoscience seem the same to me.

"Cult of me" might be a good category. (Vox Day) You should have little icons for each category..

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2009,12:09   

Quote (midwifetoad @ April 14 2009,18:12)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzvaXWiZDE

That was trully shocking!

Rest in peace, Asia McGowan.  :(

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2009,13:47   

If you want some tardilishis video;

http://www.dailykos.com/main/2

alternate URL;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2009,18:48   

Sadly, No

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2009,04:30   

This has given me many a belly-laugh, interspersed with periods of glorious bafflement. IMO, it's wingnuttery of the very highest order

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2009,10:24   

Quote (damitall @ April 15 2009,02:30)
This has given me many a belly-laugh, interspersed with periods of glorious bafflement. IMO, it's wingnuttery of the very highest order

Oh that is psychotic!

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2009,23:19   

Thanks all. That last one is a WTF a minute. One of the hallmarks of a wingnut, they need to disseminate their information as fast as possible for the survival of life on Earth.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 15 2009,23:46   

Quote (BWE @ April 16 2009,07:19)
Thanks all. That last one is a WTF a minute. One of the hallmarks of a wingnut, they need to disseminate their information as fast as possible for the survival of life on Earth.

...And BUY MY BOOK!

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 16 2009,02:40   

Quote (k.e.. @ April 15 2009,21:46)
Quote (BWE @ April 16 2009,07:19)
Thanks all. That last one is a WTF a minute. One of the hallmarks of a wingnut, they need to disseminate their information as fast as possible for the survival of life on Earth.

...And BUY MY BOOK!

well, yeah. if you have the answer to save humanity from itself, you might as well make a few bucks, eh? :)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,12:42   

Quote (BWE @ April 16 2009,02:40)
Quote (k.e.. @ April 15 2009,21:46)
Quote (BWE @ April 16 2009,07:19)
Thanks all. That last one is a WTF a minute. One of the hallmarks of a wingnut, they need to disseminate their information as fast as possible for the survival of life on Earth.
...And BUY MY BOOK!
well, yeah. if you have the answer to save humanity from itself, you might as well make a few bucks, eh? :)

That seems to be the ONLY reason to save humanity from itself, to make money.

There is no other reason I can see to keep humanity around.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,13:23   

Ok. So Utu, the other guy signed up on the forum just produced this:
http://www.dailywingnut.com/ML....start=1

It's pretty damn good.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2009,15:44   

Quote (BWE @ April 17 2009,11:23)
Ok. So Utu, the other guy signed up on the forum just produced this:
http://www.dailywingnut.com/ML....start=1

It's pretty damn good.

Good?  It's wonderful!

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Argument from shut up and open your mind.

1. We don't know everything.
2. I believe other silly things.
3. From 1 and 2, from what I do know, werewolves, which have never been reliably observed, could be some evolutionary thingamajig.
4. Handwave.
5. If Jenny gets to go out with Brad and if people get to believe in gods, angels, and demons, then its only fair that I get to believe in werewolves.
6. It's incumbent on you to prove werewolves don't exist!
7. From 3,4,5,6, werewolves exist.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2009,15:20   

This is just a bit too scary...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2009,15:30   

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This is just a bit too scary...

I like the picture of the UD bloggers...

They are exactly like I pictured them!



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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2009,16:18   

BTW, Over on TDW, a group of people developed:
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The Evolutionary Theory Crackpot Index

It seems that evolutionary theory, particularly as it relates to human evolution, is a magnet for crackpots. We all like to think we can spot a crackpot when we see one, but is there any way to distinguish between evolutionary "theorists" who are just a half a bubble off plumb and scientific "revolutionaries" who are truly just a clown shy of a circus?

To aid in categorizing the lunacy of evolution nutters, we humbly present The Evolutionary Theory Crackpot Index, inspired by John Baez's brilliant and creative original Crackpot Index for physics.
A couple of notes:

Please keep in mind that this isn't intended for creationists. Creationism is a special kind of nuttery that usually requires a different approach. The exception would be if the creationist has erected a "scientific theory": that he claims provides empirical support for his craziness.

We have not yet created a calibration scale or a settled on a unit name (a "milliwhatever", perhaps), but we feel that the scale should probably be calibrated in the field, so to speak. So we're breaking it out now and accepting suggestions for fine tuning its application to specific crackpots. We hope this tool will be of use to the members of this forum.

Created by OHSU, eversbane, BWE, llanitedave, Steviepinhead, gib, and Spearthrower. Thanks also to Utu and The Daily Wingnut.

 
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1. 3 points for referring to an evidence-free scenario as a "hypothesis"

2. 3 points for proposing a “theory” that makes no robust, testable predictions

3. 3 points for mentioning how long you’ve been working on your idea, as if this meant that it was well-thought-out

4. 3 points for announcing that you can't find any flaws in your idea

5. 5 points for referencing your educational achievements, awards, or honors, as if they counted as evidence for your idea

6. 5 points for intimating that you’re associated with an institution of higher learning when you are not

7. 5 points for each new term you invent and use as if it were a widely accepted concept

8. 5 points for praising proponents of discredited ideas

9. 5 points for either citing or criticizing decades-old research or opinions as if they were still current
multiply by 2 if it is widely known that these ideas have been superceded by modern research

10. 5 points for citing the opinions of someone with no scientific training

11. 5 points for inventing a new principle or mechanism not recognized by mainstream science
multiply by 2 for making your new principle "official" by giving it a name
multiply by 3 for naming it after yourself

12. 10 points for each new, original, or idiosyncratic explanation for a well-understood biological process

13. 10 points for each claim that modern evolutionary theory has significant flaws or gaps

14. 10 points for citing concepts derived from science fiction
multiply by 2 for citing a specific science fiction story or author
multiply by 3 for citing works of fantasy (The Golden Compass, Lord of the Rings, etc.)
multiply by 5 for citing a specific fantasy character by name (Legolas, Frodo, etc.)

15. 10 points for citing someone else's findings as support for your argument when his conclusions actually contradict your argument, as if you know more about how to interpret his findings than he does
multiply by 5 for altering, tampering with, or misrepresenting a quotation in any way

16. 10 points for responding to requests for evidence in favor of your scenario by attacking a competing scenario

17. 10 points for responding to requests for evidence with a thought experiment
multiply by 3 if the results of the thought experiment contradict those of a real experiment

18. 10 points for critiquing an field about which you possess no substantial knowledge
multiply by 2 for admitting your ignorance yet maintaining that your critiques are somehow meaningful
multiply by 3 for failing to correctly identify the object of your argument in a photograph
multiply by 5 for misidentifying a man-made object (fishing lure, aquarium decoration, etc.) as the object of your argument

19. 10 points for encouraging anyone who seems to agree with you, no matter how pointless their contribution
multiply by 2 if their “contribution” actually contradicts something you’ve said and you ignore that fact for the sake of making an ally

20. 10 points for reversing your disagreement with an opinion after learning that it was espoused by someone you like
multiply by 2 if you find this reversal of opinion rational, reasonable, or natural

21. 10 points for acknowledging a correction but refusing to acknowledge that having been in error affects your conclusions
multiply by 2 for picking up the new information and arguing it as if it had always been part of your “hypothesis”

22. 10 points for repeating an assertion that has already been refuted as if you were bringing it up for the first time

23. 10 points for adhering to a factually incorrect or logically inconsistent position despite careful correction

24. 10 points for referring to well-thought-out rebuttals as “tedious", a “waste of your time” or exquivalent

25. 10 points for inventing a "fact"
multiply by 2 for making up a statistic
multiply by 3 for populating a graph or diagram with data you made up

26. 15 points for suggesting that someone is only giving detailed, technical responses to your claims to "make himself look clever"
multiply by 3 for accusing him of trying to "confuse you with facts", "blind you with science" or equivalent

27. 15 points for explaining why phenomena central to your “theory” leave no evidence

28. 15 points for insisting that your idea requires no evidence because you’re just "working out an explanation", as if evidence-free stories had explanatory power
multiply by 2 for insisting that an evidence-free assertion be taken seriously until it is "proven wrong"

29. 20 points for suggesting that someone disagrees with you for emotional or personal reasons, even though he’s never met you or any other participant in the debate and has no stake in its outcome

30. 20 points for referring to logical rebuttals that expose the fallacies of your claims as "sneering", "laughing" or equivalent

31. 20 points for suggesting that your lack of formal education or scientific training gives you a unique perspective, special insight, freedom from establishment dogma, etc.

32. 25 points for every mention of a well-known scientist (Darwin, Dawkins, Gould, etc.) not accompanied by that scientist’s support of your “hypothesis”
multiply by 2 for pointing out that the scientist you’ve named is well-known

33. 25 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift", "new era", or "revolutionary movement" in biology

34. 25 points for claiming that people who disagree with you are trying to censor you

35. 25 points for suggesting that people who disagree with you are “angry” or “hysterical”

36. 30 points for attributing your personal failures (to publish your idea, complete your scientific education, etc.) to bias, conspiracies, etc.

37. 30 points for asserting that general acceptance of your “theory” will somehow correct a weakness in the practice, theory, or culture of the biological sciences
multiply by 2 for claiming that the weakness in question is some form of social, cultural, or intellectual elitism
multiply by 3 for suggesting that it is “atheist philosophy”
multiply by 3 for suggesting it has anything to do with racism or Nazis

38. 30 points for each favorable comparison of yourself or some other proponent of your idea to Darwin, or for referring to your hypothesis as the "most important discovery since Darwin" or equivalent

39. 30 points for suggesting that you or some other proponent of your idea deserves a Nobel prize

40. 30 points for referring to those who disagree with you as "self-appointed defenders of establishment dogma" or equivalent

41. 30 points for accusing Darwin (or other prominent evolutionary theorists) of racism, elitism, etc.

42. 30 points for suggesting that many scientists secretly accept your idea and that they only reject it publicly for fear of tainting their reputations, losing their jobs, etc.

43. 30 points for claiming that the rejection of your hypothesis will one day be recognized as a scandal comparable to the Piltdown hoax, etc.)
multiply by 2 for fantasizing about tracking down people who’ve disagreed with you over the years and forcing them to publicly acknowledge that you were right


To add to the ways we can love our pet wingnuts. :) Feel free to grade anyone you like.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2009,16:23   

number 5 needs a MENSA multiplier.

Also, extreme cherry picking from a blog or some other fringe source to make a wide point seems quite common.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2009,16:54   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 15 2009,14:23)
number 5 needs a MENSA multiplier.

Also, extreme cherry picking from a blog or some other fringe source to make a wide point seems quite common.

The MENSA multiplier is a good idea. I'll post that in the discussion thread.

Common but still wingnutty

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: July 15 2009,17:47   

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7. 5 points for each new term you invent and use as if it were a widely accepted concept

Add: 5 points for each use of a well-established scientific term to represent a totally different concept.  Multiply by 3 if not defined or explained.


Proposed units: milliafdaves
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25. 10 points for inventing a "fact"
multiply by 2 for making up a statistic
multiply by 3 for populating a graph or diagram with data you made up

I rest my case.

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