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The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,14:43    Yeah, not too much of a hook, but at least it's honest. Here it is:        Obviously, I have bitten off more than I can chew in the model-building department. On the other hand, I would like to make some headway on at least one of the models. And to make that headway, I'm going to have to focus on one of them exclusively for a while. But I'm trapped - I have several opponents tugging at my shirtsleeves, and I can't satisfy all of 'em at present. Yet they keep nagging away like a stepmother with hemorrhoids. So, I'll let Panda's Thumb decide for me. Which model will it be: a) Guts to gametes (Paley vs. Alan Fox & O'Brien & ...Jeannot??) b) Geocentrism (Paley vs. Cogzie, Eric, and Wallyworld) c) Tiktaalik (or Paley v. "Ripper" Redux) d) Scale-free Networks and Marriage (Paley & Steve "I can hang, baby!" Story) So what are the rules? 1) The debate will be conducted between me and the above-named people (assuming they're interested, of course). Others may chime in if they wish, but I ignore kibbitzers at my discretion. 2) Anyone may vote for one of the above. Everyone, including the debate participants, has one vote. (OK, Steve, I'll let your vote count triple if you wish. It's up to you). Please leave all sockpuppets in the drawer. I will not vote. 3) I must first be given time to finish the "LAMSM" debate. Don't worry - I'm not going to drag it out much longer. 4) The topic with the most votes wins. I don't want a set a cut-off point just yet, because I don't know what response (if any) this will get. Hopefully a clear winner will emerge. 5) As an added bonus, I will focus my all on the chosen subject. All PaleyRants will be confined to that topic for a minimum of three weeks from the start of the debate. I'll try not to succumb to temptation. 6) The above does not preclude a future stab at the other topics (after the initial debate, of course) 7) If fewer than 18 people vote (not including Steve's triple-weighted vote), I will assume that there's zero interest in the debates, and continue as I have. You've been warned. So here's your chance to keep me occupied for a while. Don't let it slip from your grasp! -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:00    I'm not voting. You can't deliver a scale free model. You know it. Everyone here knows it. You were trying to back up your desires with appeals to sophisticated topics, and when pressed, you can't deliver. You didn't have those sophisticated arguments to begin with, you were just waving your hands. Learn from the rest of us. Don't go around pretending to have deep intellectual models to support your social beliefs, when you don't have the deep intellectual models. Argue for things based on the real reasons you believe them.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:21    Is there any way we can set up a thread where GoP, Thordaddy, and AFDave just slug it out? Just the three of them? Whoever's still left standing in a month will be free to post at the other AtBC threads. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:24    Quote I'm not voting. You can't deliver a scale free model. You know it. Everyone here knows it. You were trying to back up your desires with appeals to sophisticated topics, and when pressed, you can't deliver. Hey Stevie-boy, if they vote for your topic, then I'll be forced to deliver, or at least try. I gave you three votes - why won't you use them? Or are you trying to manipulate the vote? Doesn't matter to me - I really don't care who wins. And hey, 18 different votes keeps me from other threads for a while. Just 18 votes. If P's Thumb can't even manage that, then why should I care about debating? My objections to gay marriage stand even without the model. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:25    Okay, I'll bite. Geocentrism. Curiosity/cat etc. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:28    Well, I was actually thinking of what to vote (I'm interested in the Tiktaalk issue, and this "guts to gametes" thing has me puzzled), But then I saw this: Quote 7) If fewer than 18 people vote (not including Steve's triple-weighted vote), I will assume that there's zero interest in the debates, and continue as I have. You've been warned. 18 people? WTF? I'm not voting either, Ghost. This poll is silly: If you seriously wish to arbitrarily define a minimum number of people interested in your models, and fail to deliver if this is not met, then I really don't think discussing any of them with you will be of any worth. Just choose the one you think you can support, and do so: Or, say you cannot support any properly at this time and leave it at that. It's that simple. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:33    Quote Geocentrism (Paley vs. Cogzie, Eric, and Wallyworld) I'm confused -- what about geocentrism? If we pick that, will you argue for it, or against it? If you intend to argue for geocentrism, then that's my vote. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:35    I'm still waiting for an explanation of how forbidding the very behavior Ghost most wants to see, will result in MORE of that behavior. Like the scale-free network, this could be presented cogently in a single post, IF there were any cogent rationale for it. But we spent over 20 pages asking this same question over and over, and watching Ghost change the topic as many times as he was asked. Now we're supposed to expect something different? Somewhere I read that doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result was the hallmark of *something* - can anyone recall what it was?

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,15:44    Eric: Quote Okay, I'll bite. Geocentrism. Curiosity/cat etc. Can't say that I'm surprised.     Only 17 votes needed now. Oh yes, I forgot: if the minimum's reached and there's a tie (with no resolution in sight) I'll cast the deciding vote. But otherwise, I'm not voting. Faid: Quote 18 people? WTF? I'm not voting either, Ghost. This poll is silly: If you seriously wish to arbitrarily define a minimum number of people interested in your models, and fail to deliver if this is not met, then I really don't think discussing any of them with you will be of any worth. First, you guys would be three steps closer already if you'd quit making excuses and just vote. Second, I'm not saying I won't deliver if the minimum is not reached, I'm just saying I'll continue as before. But in case you haven't noticed, I'm sick of doing all the work. I want some sign that engaging in a nonpolitical debate will even be worth the bother. If you guys can't scrape together 18 votes, then why should I listen to everyone whine? Besides, you'd get me out of your hair for a while. So I am offering something in return. But this is my last post in this thread until I see the magic 18th vote reached. Do what you want, just don't bitch to me later about your inaction.   See ya tomorrow.... [And this will be my last edit. Guys, all you have to do is reach 18 votes! You'd almost be a third of the way by now. Whine, whine, whine, and no action! Typical.] -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Ved Posts: 398 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,16:00    Quote if they vote for your topic, then I'll be forced to deliver The way you worded it it sounds like you would be forced to deliver a debate, not a model...

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,16:17    Ghost: I voted, but not for one of your choices. Instead, I voted that you return to the original topic that you dodged for 20 pages and finally ran away from. And I notice that you are STILL running, because you don't even list it. But I'll vote again. How will forbidding the very behavior you most want to see, will result in MORE of that behavior? I'm still curious.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,16:32    [quote=The Ghost of Paley,May 03 2006,20:44][/quote] Quote If you guys can't scrape together 18 votes, then why should I listen to everyone whine? Besides, you'd get me out of your hair for a while. Incredible. You think that sharing your admirable ideas should be done only to a sizeable audience of your liking, otherwise we are not worthy of them: We only need to know they exist, and are compelling. Those are some serious illusions of grandeur, Mr. Paley. Quote First, you guys would be three steps closer already if you'd quit making excuses and just vote. Excuses? Excuses for what? You post this, and it's us who make excuses? Tell you what: My vote is for owning up to your promises as best you can. Is that an option in the poll? No? Then who's making excuses? Quote Second, I'm not saying I won't deliver if the minimum is not reached, I'm just saying I'll continue as before. Which is... not delivering? So, why 18 votes, Ghost? Why not 8 (as the actual debaters the models were promised to were)? Or why not 20? Or 100, for that matter? How'd you come up with the number? What does it matter? He11, you're only arguing with the same 4 people in the media thread, why not bail out from that too? It is you who has promised all these things. Now, even if just one person was waiting for them, you should deliver; It is what everyone in this forum (even the ones that are not interested in any of your "models") would expect you to. It's the HONEST thing to do. Saying "I'll only do it if, say, "x" people tell me they're interested" , AFTER you promised it, is... Well, you tell me what it is. You are a debater in this forum, Ghost. Not a performer. If you can distinguish between the two, that is. Stop looking for an audience: Just deliver what you can from what you promised. Or what you "have time to", I don't care. Call it what you like. It's the only proper thing to do: Everything else is looking for a way out. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,16:42    At first I was willing to have you pursue other models, rather than selfishly vote for geocentricism (and argue with me).  And looking at my schedule, I was afraid of making a commitment.  But, since there are two other votes for geocentricism I'm all for it.  I think it will be more fun for everyone to watch you attempt to rewrite hundreds of years of physics. My vote: geocentricism.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,20:16    GUTS TO GAMETES.

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,20:53    Guts to gametes. (At least it has some connection with evolutionary biology)

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2006,23:40    My first suggestion is that you start your own blog and publish all of these models. As I recall, the  guts to gametes model was that most of the appearence of homology was due to the result of lateral gene transfer when one organism ate another. In this case I would vote for that one. I also recommend that you publish the geocentrism model on the bad astronomy forum there are a lot more physicists there.

bourgeois_rage Posts: 117 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,02:17    Is this how science is done? Voting on what topics to delve into? 18 people? Is that arbitrary? Oh, ok. geocentrism. -------------- Overwhelming Evidence: Apply directly to the forehead.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,02:51    Quote I also recommend that you publish the geocentrism model on the bad astronomy forum there are a lot more physicists there. LOL.

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,02:58    I vote "who cares." If he could deliver on any of it he would just do it instead of holding phony narcissistic votes as if everyone's hanging on his every word while he rations out his genius to us in carefully measured doses. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

Russell Posts: 1082 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,04:32    Quote narcissistic What a remarkable coincidence! That's exactly the adjective that popped into my mind! -------------- Must... not... scratch... mosquito bite.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,04:39    Hush, now, I want to hear GoP tell us how the sun goes around the Earth.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,05:04    I want to see Paley deliver a geocentric model to the people at Bad Astronomy. It would go much like Brazeau vs Paley went, with multiple knockouts in every round.

thurdl01 Posts: 99 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,05:06    Hmmm, I wasn't going to vote, after hearing some of the reasons given, but I'm just too #### curious about how anyone could still believe in geocentrism.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5286 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,05:15    Gotta go with Geocentrism. This should be a hoot - not that I expect GoP to actually DO anything that his mouth promises. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,06:14    For anybody interested, his old "LUCA" thread took some wild tangents, eventually ending up at geocentricism, where calls for explanations were eventually met with silence.  But, there are some great assertions that he refused to back down on, such as the imaginary spin of 7-dimensional, super-fluid, crystalline quintessence that makes up the firmament that holds the stars.  Man, just writing that makes me giggle.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,06:24    Quote (cogzoid @ May 04 2006,11:14) For anybody interested, his old "LUCA" thread took some wild tangents, eventually ending up at geocentricism, where calls for explanations were eventually met with silence.  But, there are some great assertions that he refused to back down on, such as the imaginary spin of 7-dimensional, super-fluid, crystalline quintessence that makes up the firmament that holds the stars.  Man, just writing that makes me giggle. Wait, wait, wait. Bear with me for a second. I never paid much attention to the LUCA thread, so I don't know what went on there, but are you saying that GoP is literally a geocentrist? That he actually believes that the sun revolves around the Earth? And that he argues for this position? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,06:34    Not just the sun, my friend. The entire freakin' universe revolves around the earth. As to what the withered wisp actually believes... I think he believes in entertaining himself by yanking people's chains on the internet. But the geocentric "model" does have that special cranky something you crave. Whatever else you can say about the husk, he keeps 'em coming back for more. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,07:48    Let's "give him enough rope" then and all vote for Geocentrism. Bill, I hereby switch my vote to geocentrism.

Russell Posts: 1082 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,08:19    Geocentrism? GoP's going to actually defend geocentrism? OK. This has to mean either: (1) GoP's been putting us on all along with his ridiculous positions or (2) GoP is going to expound some kind of sophistry along the lines that, since there is no border to the universe, you can justifiably call any point the center. I'll vote for geocentrism because (1) it's a discussion tht presents very little danger of my being sucked into, and (2) it promises to provide abundant reason to dismiss GoP's claim to be taken seriously, on anything, once and for all. -------------- Must... not... scratch... mosquito bite.

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,08:58    Quote (2) GoP is going to expound some kind of sophistry along the lines that, since there is no border to the universe, you can justifiably call any point the center. It's much much more sophisticated than that.  Trust me, he's really diving headfirst into the empty pool of mathematics on the LUCA thread.  Or don't trust me, go back about 5-10 pages from the end and skim for the good stuff.

Seven Popes Posts: 190 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,09:31    Paley, why not practice a little self discipline and simply not post in any new threads until you have delivered what you agreed too?  We have all  been waiting patiently, YOU made all the promises.  If you would simply concede or forego arguments instead of forestalling the inevitable with your worthless promises, you might have a shred of credibility.  You broke your word at least 4 times by your own count.  You are saying now that you will keep one of your four promises if we jump through your hoop? RUBBISH! -------------- Cave ab homine unius libri - Beware of anyone who has just one book.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,12:38    Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 04 2006,11:34) Not just the sun, my friend. The entire freakin' universe revolves around the earth. As to what the withered wisp actually believes... I think he believes in entertaining himself by yanking people's chains on the internet. But the geocentric "model" does have that special cranky something you crave. Whatever else you can say about the husk, he keeps 'em coming back for more. This is true. If what you're craving is that rich and creamy taste full of crackpotty goodness, nothing quite scratches that itch quite like someone saying the sun and the whole rest of the universe revolves around the earth. It also makes it that much easier to dismiss his opinions on earthly matters like, oh, I dunno, gay marriage. Cuz if he can't get the basic relation of the earth and the sun right... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

bourgeois_rage Posts: 117 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,02:18    Shouldn't the Earth revolve around Paley? Or better yet, Jesus (praise be his name)? -------------- Overwhelming Evidence: Apply directly to the forehead.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,03:11    How about for the scale free network thing you just tell us what the nodes and edges of the network represent. You should already know this assuming you didn't just pull the claim out of your a$$ to sound clever.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,03:17    If I make a claim that a complex math topic supports some point of mine, I can tell you how. Otherwise I wouldn't say it. Because I'm not trying to impress people into believing me.

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,05:13    Quote are you saying that GoP is literally a geocentrist He looks more like a GoPcentrist to me. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,02:21    I vote Ghost of Paley shove a neutrona wand up his ectoplasmic @$$ and set the proton pack on 'overload'. -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,03:55    Hmmm... I like the nuance from geocentrism but I'd really like to see the scale free marriage model because it almost seems dumber. God Ghost, .your so interesting I'll probably forget which way I voted and read anyway. So why don't you just pretend that I voted for the one you like 18 times? That ought to be interesting. Oh oh oh... I got it. I want a clear and understandable description of how I can understand eternity -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,04:29    Quote (BWE @ May 08 2006,08:55) Hmmm... I like the nuance from geocentrism but I'd really like to see the scale free marriage model because it almost seems dumber. God Ghost, .your so interesting I'll probably forget which way I voted and read anyway. So why don't you just pretend that I voted for the one you like 18 times? That ought to be interesting. Oh oh oh... I got it. I want a clear and understandable description of how I can understand eternity The most important aspect to understanding eternity is that gay marriage is really, really, really bad. Got it? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,07:42    Well, no kidding. Letting gays marry. Next we'll be letting the cia sell cocaine. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,08:00    Quote (BWE @ May 08 2006,12:42) Well, no kidding. Letting gays marry. Next we'll be letting the cia sell cocaine. I can't tell you how much my marriage and family have been nearly destroyed due to gays getting married. Remember that time when Massachusetts legalized gay marriage? I swear, we had a hellish month immediately after that. My wife almost left me, I became a Muslim, and my daughter held up a liquor store. Then when the mayor of San Francisco started allowing gay marriages, the three of us had a knife fight right out in public, and my daughter started a huge heroin-selling ring. But every November when a bunch of new Southern or Rocky Mountain states specifically ban it, we just do great for months after. It's simply unimaginable what will happen to us if there's ever a constitutional amendment legalizing it. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2006,00:13    Oh phuck it! Go on then GoP I'll bite, even though this is the attention gathering exercise of someone who is deeply deluded. I vote for geocentrism. Please conclusively (or as conclusively as is possible) demonstrate that the sun moves around the earth. Louis (P.S. Everyone else please place your bets on "anywhere can be the centre" and "relativity means that defining a specific reference frame is arbitrary" now. I'll give 4 to 7 on appeal to uncertainty/limits of observation and a cool 10:3 on the number of bible quotes going above 10.) -------------- Bye.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2006,05:52    GoP, Do you ever wonder why you are an object of ridicule? -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2006,06:18    Just a quick question. If you claim that you have these models why do you need so long to work on them? Im assuming of course that you didn't just say you have the models and now just need time to actually think them up.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,07:29    Darn it Chris, I asked Paley. You just gave him the answer. Jeeze, you must have frustrated a lot of teachers in gradeschool. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,07:50    I think everybody knows by now that Paley had no such model of heterosexual marriages as hubs on a scale free network. He was just trying to impress with references to an unusual scientific topic, and he got called on it.

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,09:57    Quote (stevestory @ May 12 2006,12:50) I think everybody knows by now that Paley had no such model of heterosexual marriages as hubs on a scale free network. He was just trying to impress with references to an unusual scientific topic, and he got called on it. Oh but, see, we can't call him on that. No siree, not while there aren't 18 votes on his poll. See, unless the well-known A-DUMMIE threshold (Arbitrarily-Defined, Universal Minimum Margin of Internet Expectancy) is reached, he can say whatever he likes without being expected to back it up. ...It's a really old Internet rule Paley just made up. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Artist in trainig Posts: 12 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 20 2006,20:38    Scale free network.

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