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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,16:16   



You can buy it now at Amazon if you want. I had to start a thread because the blurb on Amazon is classic

This compact guide lays out the basics of Intelligent Design, popularly known as ID. William Dembski, the dean of the intelligentdesign movement, and Sean McDowell especially target readers whose understanding may have been confused by educational bias and onesided arguments and attacks.

Commonsense and nononsense, with pointed examples, the authors explain

   * the central theories of ID, showing why the presence of information and meaningful complexity require the involvement of intelligence
   * why ID adheres to the scientific method and is a valid field of scientific inquiry
   * why scientific evidence increasingly conflicts with evolutionary theories
   * how both evolutionary theory and ID have religious/philosophical underpinnings, and why this causes so much controversy
   * how both systems of thought have radical implications for our cultureand what readers can do about it

Clarifying crucial issues, this key resource gives nonspecialists a solid grasp of one of todays foundational religiousscientificcultural concepts.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,16:21   

He would spread shit on bread and call it a sandwich.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,16:23   

The comments on the Amazon page seem pretty sane so far. Expect influx of O'Learyisms in 3... 2... 1...

Considering hisselves own words on the target audience, here's my guess on its contents, page by page.

1. Cover
2. This page intentionally left blank
3. Goddidit
4. Buy my book

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,16:25   

No need for a actual book then, just a sheet of paper folded in two.

Should cover it.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,16:34   

Check out the other books published by Harvest House in the same series:
Wrestling with Angels: Adventures in Faith and Doubt.
Why Guys Need God: The Spiritual Side of Money, Sex, and Relationships.
O2: Breathing New Life into Faith.

All science so far!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,17:22   

I look forward to this book selling 12 copies.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,17:33   

is the front cover illustration the result of a cameraman stumbling into an orion slave woman?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,17:37   

Mmmmmmmmmm...Orion slave women.......

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,18:01   

Oh my. I already have three of Dembski's books (gave one way; Design Revolution). When I can order this one as a used book the list grows by one. I hide the books in a drawer, so that my quests won't panic.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,20:21   

Why does the cover look like green buttocks?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,20:58   

Quote (dheddle @ June 13 2008,21:21)
Why does the cover look like green buttocks?

That would be Dembski's envious ass.



Edited by Lou FCD on June 14 2008,06:43

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,21:20   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 13 2008,20:58)
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Why does the cover look like green buttocks?

That would be Dembski's envious ass.

POTW!

Dembski's envious ass...

that he still can't eat at the Baylor Cafeteria.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,21:42   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 13 2008,17:16)


You can buy it now at Amazon if you want. I had to start a thread because the blurb on Amazon is classic

This compact guide lays out the basics of Intelligent Design, popularly known as ID. William Dembski, the dean of the intelligentdesign movement, and Sean McDowell especially target readers whose understanding may have been confused by educational bias and onesided arguments and attacks.

Commonsense and nononsense, with pointed examples, the authors explain

   * the central theories of ID, showing why the presence of information and meaningful complexity require the involvement of intelligence
   * why ID adheres to the scientific method and is a valid field of scientific inquiry
   * why scientific evidence increasingly conflicts with evolutionary theories
   * how both evolutionary theory and ID have religious/philosophical underpinnings, and why this causes so much controversy
   * how both systems of thought have radical implications for our cultureand what readers can do about it

Clarifying crucial issues, this key resource gives nonspecialists a solid grasp of one of todays foundational religiousscientificcultural concepts.

Never heard of this Sean McDowell guy. Let's see what the first google link has to say

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Last Friday an 8th grade girl came into my classroom with a deep concern on her face. “Mr. McDowell” she said, “have you heard of The Secret?”...read more

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,21:43   

Quote (J-Dog @ June 13 2008,22:20)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 13 2008,20:58)
Quote (dheddle @ June 13 2008,21:21)
Why does the cover look like green buttocks?

That would be Dembski's envious ass.

POTW!

Dembski's envious ass...

that he still can't eat at the Baylor Cafeteria.

Yeah, that's easily the Post of the Week of the day. Or at least of the later half of the day.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,22:12   

Quote (olegt @ June 13 2008,14:34)
Check out the other books published by Harvest House in the same series:
Wrestling with Angels: Adventures in Faith and Doubt.
Why Guys Need God: The Spiritual Side of Money, Sex, and Relationships.
O2: Breathing New Life into Faith.

All science so far!

This also from Dembski's very reputable science publisher:

 
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With the controversy over “hate crimes” legislation repeatedly in the headlines, many fear that in addition to punishing crime, proposed laws could also restrict religious speech. Will “hate crimes” legislation merely serve to further the gay agenda? Anderson sorts through myths to deliver the facts on homosexuality and its social impact on families, the church, schools, and traditional marriage. While also considering spiritual aspects of the debate, he answers key questions about the roots, goals, and implications of homosexuality and the pro–gay movement.


Check out the photo of author Kerby Anderson. He looks like quite the closet case, big surprise.

I mean, Miller got Viking. What's the matter, Bill, wasn't Regnery interested?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,22:43   

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Check out the photo of author Kerby Anderson. He looks like quite the closet case, big surprise.

Some social science experiments have concluded that you can predict someone's sexuality to about 80% confidence from a single photo. I haven't seen the photo of Kirby, but from what I know of Reaction Formation, it wouldn't surprise me.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2008,22:46   



Oh yeah, that guy's a total closet case.

(edited to change the insult to apply to repressed fundies instead of gay people in general.)

Edited by stevestory on June 14 2008,16:53

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,00:21   

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* why ID adheres to the scientific method and is a valid field of scientific inquiry


This ought to be interesting and possibly worth the price of admission.  What can I say, P.T. was right.  :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,01:48   

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Never heard of this Sean McDowell guy.

I'll bet he's the son of Josh "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" McDowell.

Poor kid, and now he's getting mixed up with Dembski.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,01:51   

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Some social science experiments have concluded that you can predict someone's sexuality to about 80% confidence from a single photo.

Do you have a cite?  That would be interesting reading.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,06:49   

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Some social science experiments have concluded that you can predict someone's sexuality to about 80% confidence from a single photo.

Do you have a cite?  That would be interesting reading.

It's got to be a photo of them in the sack in the act of corpus delicti.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,07:14   

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Never heard of this Sean McDowell guy.

I'll bet he's the son of Josh "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" McDowell.

Poor kid, and now he's getting mixed up with Dembski.

Here's an excerpt from the poor kid's bio.  
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[Sean McDowell] is the head of the Bible Department at Capistrano Valley Christian Schools, where he teaches courses on apologetics and Bible. He graduated summa cum laude from Talbot Theological Seminary with a double Master’s degree in Theology and Philosophy.

Eminently qualified to write on ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,07:34   





The market has spoken!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,08:05   

Holy shit. The Editor's blurb on Amazon really does say "religiousscientificcultural."

Cdesignproponentists pursuing aposcholarshiplogetics would be well advised to avoid creating neologisms that emphasize their religious origins and motivations.

If they wish to emphasize the status of ID is a ciscientificmovementrcus, better to start publishing empirical findings generated in their closecretlabssets from within the framework of Ibuncod. I'm not sure that an intellectual smathematiciannakeoilsalesman like Dembski makes the most appealing front man for an appeal to teens, either.

Their choice of hjournalistack-coauthor is questionable, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,08:38   

My fifth grade teacher taught me that there's a rat in separate, a cyst in cdesign proponentsists, and a schism in cdesign proponentsism. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,14:03   

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[Sean McDowell] is the head of the Bible Department at Capistrano Valley Christian Schools, where he teaches courses on apologetics and Bible. He graduated summa cum laude from Talbot Theological Seminary with a double Master’s degree in Theology and Philosophy.

I live in Dana Point- the same town as Capistrano Valley Christian Schools.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,15:54   

Quote (keiths @ June 14 2008,02:51)
Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2008,22:43)
Some social science experiments have concluded that you can predict someone's sexuality to about 80% confidence from a single photo.

Do you have a cite?  That would be interesting reading.

I'll try to find it in the next day or so. Most of the science reading I do now is in the social sciences. I can't recall offhand where I saw that.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2008,19:40   

Over at Panda's Thumb,  Richard Hoppe reports that the paragon of scientific knowledge Ann "the Man" Coulter has provided the dust jacket blub for WAD

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In my book Godless, I showed that Darwinism is the hoax of the century and, consequently, the core of the religion of liberalism…. Liberals respond to critics of their religion like Cotton Mather to Salem’s “witches.” With this book, two more witches present themselves for burning: Sean McDowell, whose gift is communicating with young people, and Bill Dembski, often called the Isaac Newton of intelligent design. I think Dembski is more like the Dick Butkus of Intelligent Design.


Billy Dembski, the Dick Butt kiss of Intelligent Design!   :p  :p  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2008,13:11   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 13 2008,20:58)
     
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Why does the cover look like green buttocks?

That would be Dembski's envious ass.

I'll show you, Ken Miller!  -- WmAD

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The Patristic Understanding of Creation: An Anthology of Writings from the Church Fathers on Creation and Design
by William A. Dembski, Wayne J. Downs, and Fr. Justin B.A. Frederick
(Paperback - Jun 11, 2008)

Being as Communion: a Metaphysics of Information (Ashgate Science and Religion Series)
by William A. Dembski
(Paperback - Jun 28, 2008)

Understanding Intelligent Design: Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language (ConversantLife.com)
by William A. Dembski and Sean McDowell
(Paperback - Jul 1, 2008)

How to be an Intellectually Fulfilled Atheist (Or Not)
by William A. Dembski and Jonathan Wells
(Paperback - Oct 28, 2008)

The strategy seems to be: if that smarty-pants Ken Miller writes a book that sells 200,000 copies, well then, I'll just write 2,000 books that sell 101 copies each!  So there!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2008,14:03   

Arf! Sadly, the readership is still 101 people.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2008,14:07   

Hey, check out the cover of Bill's last book there! Bill's doing a product tie-in with Ben Stein!

You know, that hip and edgy thing that the kids dig these days.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2008,14:25   

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Never heard of this Sean McDowell guy.

I'll bet he's the son of Josh "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" McDowell.

Poor kid, and now he's getting mixed up with Dembski.

It would seem that your design inference is correct, Sean McDowell is the son of Josh McDowell.
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Sean did find answers that satisfied him, and today he is working with his father to update The Resurrection Factor, a book Josh McDowell wrote in 1982 in defense of the resurrection. Sean also heads the Bible department at Capistrano Valley Christian Schools in San Juan Capistrano, Calif. Like his father, one of Sean's goals is to help young people ask the tough questions about Christianity so they can make their faith their own.

From Biola.edu

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2008,18:05   

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Hey, check out the cover of Bill's last book there! Bill's doing a product tie-in with Ben Stein!

You know, that hip and edgy thing that the kids dig these days.

That was the title of his presentation at OU last fall.  Even the theists were unsatisfied, and the undergrads gutted him.  Why he made the decision to turn that crappy presentation into a book, who knows.

btw-- Amazon has already cut the price of the OP book almost $3, and its not even out yet.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,10:41   

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Hey, check out the cover of Bill's last book there! Bill's doing a product tie-in with Ben Stein!

You know, that hip and edgy thing that the kids dig these days.

How can these people be so out of touch with whatever young adult market they're trying to tap? That book cover doesn't just fail at being "cool", it's actually embarrassing. Same goes for Expelled! Same goes for Overwhelming Evidence.

It's not like it would be impossible to brand Intelligent Design in such a way that it might appear hip, or edgy. I mean, I know Intelligent Design is utterly retarded. But so is fast food. McDonald's is still cool. Its mascot used to be some kind of freaking retro clown--look how THEY recovered. I don't understand why whoever the hell is in charge of marketing Intelligent Design (Discovery Institute, I suppose), hasn't figured out a way to make ID look appealing to younger people. Instead it looks like a parody of some clueless, failed marketing campaign.

...

I mean, SERIOUSLY, who was responsible for dreaming up the front page of Overwhelming Evidence? ZANY WACKY ACTIVIST. Yeah. It was edgy to use those words in 1952, maybe. You might as well call Intelligent Design "neat", "peachy" and "chipper". Also, how many kids do you think even know who the fuck Judge Jones is? If I were some impressionable young'un, I'd be bewildered and irritated. Imagine trying to show your friends that website when you were 16. You'd be crucified and left out of XBox multiplayer games as punishment.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,11:03   

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Never heard of this Sean McDowell guy.

I'll bet he's the son of Josh "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" McDowell.

Poor kid, and now he's getting mixed up with Dembski.

It would seem that your design inference is correct, Sean McDowell is the son of Josh McDowell.
 
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Sean did find answers that satisfied him, and today he is working with his father to update The Resurrection Factor, a book Josh McDowell wrote in 1982 in defense of the resurrection. Sean also heads the Bible department at Capistrano Valley Christian Schools in San Juan Capistrano, Calif. Like his father, one of Sean's goals is to help young people ask the tough questions about Christianity so they can make their faith their own.

From Biola.edu


  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,12:48   

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Some social science experiments have concluded that you can predict someone's sexuality to about 80% confidence from a single photo.

Do you have a cite?  That would be interesting reading.

It's got to be a photo of them in the sack in the act of corpus delicti.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,15:42   

Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,15:45   

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Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine

10/10

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,16:20   

ID in complex language:

godditit

ID in plain language:

god did it


He had to write a book to say that?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,17:23   

So that's where Dembski got his fart noises.

I had always wondered.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,20:17   

Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,16:42)
Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine


LOL!!

Quid, you've outdone yourself.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,21:25   

I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,21:51   

Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,21:25)
I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

Qqidam!  BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF.... WORK.  

If only you COULD hack Amazon's website.
Just imagine the proposals Dembski will receive the next time he speaks in CA.

Not that that's wrong...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,22:21   

Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,13:42)
Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine

cheeky!















sorry.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,22:53   

Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,15:42)
Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine

If that's not the funniest damned thing I've ever seen since I've been reading about the IDiots, it's in the top 3.   :D  :D  :D

Well done!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2008,23:17   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 16 2008,20:26)
there is more to life than genitals, boys.

Well.

There's certainly way more to life than your genitals.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,08:07   

silent bannination!  I call silent bannination!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,09:50   

Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,20:25)
I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

Come on guys, I know this isn't Pharyngula but surely someone can head over to Amazon.com and check/add the "Assinine"* tag.

*Note spelling, as Magrat would say.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,10:37   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,09:50)
Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,20:25)
I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

Come on guys, I know this isn't Pharyngula but surely someone can head over to Amazon.com and check/add the "Assinine"* tag.

*Note spelling, as Magrat would say.

OK - done with all the work you made me do.  Can I go back to relaxing now?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,14:26   

That gives me some warm green fuzzy feelings

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,14:28   

Thanks for the assinine tag. I also checked it off. Don't forget to check of fugly sweater as well!!!  LOL

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,14:30   

Quidam-

That was some outstanding work, but I'd rather see an ugly, oversized cardigan any day of the week.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,15:15   

If a stretched cardigan is more exiting than young taut feminine buttocks (whatever the colour), then you are too far gone for science or art to help.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,15:21   

How about this stretched cardigan?


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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,15:50   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,13:15)
If a stretched cardigan is more exiting than young taut feminine buttocks (whatever the colour), then you are too far gone for science or art to help.

What about that place Ted Haggard went? He said it totally worked for him...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,16:01   

If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,16:08   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,14:01)
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Quidam, we were hoping you'd use your powers for good, instead of evil. :O

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,17:36   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,17:01)
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Some things are just...

wrong.

You should apologize immediately






to that girl.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,17:55   

Help!

I can't see Quidam's images! (Although for some reason I CAN see the very nice "stretched cardigan" one.

Anyone else have problems with just some of imageshack's servers?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,18:46   

Here are the current tags from Amazon.com:

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breathtaking inanity (13)
discovery institute pseudoscientifi c rub... (12)
anti-science (11)
creationism (10)
cdesign proponentists (9)
assinine (6)
fugly sweater (6)
apologetics (5)
quackery (5)
religion (5)
evangelism (4)
religion and politics (2)
turd sandwhich (1)



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,19:01   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 17 2008,18:46)
Here are the current tags from Amazon.com:

 
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breathtaking inanity (13)
discovery institute pseudoscientifi c rub... (12)
anti-science (11)
creationism (10)
cdesign proponentists (9)
assinine (6)
fugly sweater (6)
apologetics (5)
quackery (5)
religion (5)
evangelism (4)
religion and politics (2)
turd sandwhich (1)


"turd sandwhich (1)"
Okay - Who's the worst speller here?

and I like this one !
discovery institute pseudoscientifi c rub... (12)

Still waiting for the Amazon Hacker to substitute Quidam's pic on the cover... except it would probably spike the sales, among other things...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,19:52   

Quote (J-Dog @ June 17 2008,20:01)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 17 2008,18:46)
Here are the current tags from Amazon.com:

 
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fugly sweater (6)

:D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,20:41   

Quote (olegt @ June 13 2008,15:34)
Check out the other books published by Harvest House in the same series:
Wrestling with Angels: Adventures in Faith and Doubt.
Why Guys Need God: The Spiritual Side of Money, Sex, and Relationships.
O2: Breathing New Life into Faith.

All science so far!

"Thirty Days to Taming Your Tongue"?
:O

Speaking of which, I added "creationist d--chebags." Just working the bag, boss.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,21:48   

Quote (Kristine @ June 17 2008,20:41)
   
Quote (olegt @ June 13 2008,15:34)
Check out the other books published by Harvest House in the same series:
Wrestling with Angels: Adventures in Faith and Doubt.
Why Guys Need God: The Spiritual Side of Money, Sex, and Relationships.
O2: Breathing New Life into Faith.

All science so far!

"Thirty Days to Taming Your Tongue"?
:O

Speaking of which, I added "creationist d--chebags." Just working the bag, boss.

They're on to you:    
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breathtaking inanity (16)
discovery institute pseudoscientifi c rub... (15)
anti-science (13)
cdesign proponentists (12)
creationism (12)
fugly sweater (9)
assinine (8)
quackery (7)
apologetics (6)
religion (5)
evangelism (4)
religion and politics (2)
creationist d--chebags (1)
hes got the whole world in his vise (1)
lolcreationists (1)
no shimmies allowed (1)
turd sandwhich (1)

And obtw T-E-R-D get it rite you guise.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:13   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 17 2008,16:36)
Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,17:01)
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Some things are just...

wrong.

You should apologize immediately






to that girl.

She's Thursday, so I'll apologize then

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:17   

Oh, Geeze Louise, this is just too ripe!

On Amazon, Dembski's book is described as a "turd sandwich."

But, what's even BETTER is that Amazon has this pop up that says, and I quote,

"Other books that should be considered a turd sandwich:"  Exploring Evolution by M. Behe!

Oh, I wet myself!  Seriously, I need a change of underwear.

Yea, Amazon!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:51   

Oh the joy...


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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:51   

That might have been me. It's spelled rong, that's your clue..

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:54   

Quote (Quidam @ June 18 2008,06:13)
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 17 2008,16:36)
 
Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,17:01)
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Some things are just...

wrong.

You should apologize immediately






to that girl.

She's Thursday, so I'll apologize then

That dutch wink goes all the way back to last Saturday.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2008,22:59   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,22:51)
Oh the joy...

Fly my pretties. Mark all creationist shoite as "turd sandwhich."

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,06:45   

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Oh the joy...

Well I can't imagine anything's going to top that highlight for today, I'm just going to pack it in and go back to bed.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,10:39   

Quote (dogdidit @ June 17 2008,20:48)

They're on to you:      
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breathtaking inanity (16)
discovery institute pseudoscientifi c rub... (15)
anti-science (13)
cdesign proponentists (12)
creationism (12)
fugly sweater (9)
assinine (8)
quackery (7)
apologetics (6)
religion (5)
evangelism (4)
religion and politics (2)
creationist d--chebags (1)
hes got the whole world in his vise (1)
lolcreationists (1)
no shimmies allowed (1)
turd sandwhich (1)

And obtw T-E-R-D get it rite you guise.

"No shimmies allowed" was me, too.

Also "He's got the whole world in his vise."

And someone is supposed to say, "That bag's working you." :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,13:09   

Does O'Leary not know what 'Breathtaking Inanity' means?
I don't think its someone posing as her...the rest of her profile seems legit.

Help others find this product - tag it for Amazon search
Denyse O'Leary suggested this product show on searches for "breathtaking inanity". What do you suggest?


Design of Life



And from her profile:


  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,13:37   

I've been reading this thread while I'm on a conferance call and holy crap I busted out laughing and had to make up a reason to explain my laughter.

This is the best thread evah!

Denyse O'leary and the inanity bit is too rich.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,15:32   

Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2008,10:39)
And someone is supposed to say, "That bag's working you." :)

Last night:
 "Honey, what are you laughing at?"
 "Uh, nothing dear."
 "Are you on the computer?"
 "No, I...uh...watching some TV here..."
 *sneaks off to basement to dry eyes*

The "just working the bag, boss" comment was too perfect. Put me right over the top.

Bloody wonderful movie by the way. As hard to watch as Raging Bull. But wonderful.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,17:11   

Quote (dogdidit @ June 18 2008,14:32)
       
Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2008,10:39)
And someone is supposed to say, "That bag's working you." :)

Last night:
 "Honey, what are you laughing at?"
 "Uh, nothing dear."
 "Are you on the computer?"
 "No, I...uh...watching some TV here..."
 *sneaks off to basement to dry eyes*

The "just working the bag, boss" comment was too perfect. Put me right over the top.

Bloody wonderful movie by the way. As hard to watch as Raging Bull. But wonderful.

I'm glad I made you laugh. And now we have a new set of literary allusions to hit them with. Mo Chúisle versus creationist douchebags!


I couldn't get that film out of my head for 36 hours straight after seeing it (on my birthday).

Dembski: "I can't live without my welfare!" Hey, Dembski - re your fugly book - "Get a job, punk!" :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,17:16   

Denyse is breathtaking inanity Incarnate!

Oh, the humanity!  Stop this thread, you're killing me!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,19:24   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,16:15)
If a stretched cardigan is more exiting than young taut feminine buttocks (whatever the colour), then you are too far gone for science or art to help.

I assumed there was an "outie" and not an "innie" at the bottom of that cleft.  I feel like I failed a high stakes spinning lady test.

/shows self out

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,20:50   

Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2008,17:11)

I'm glad I made you laugh. And now we have a new set of literary allusions to hit them with. Mo Chúisle versus creationist douchebags!


I couldn't get that film out of my head for 36 hours straight after seeing it (on my birthday).

Dembski: "I can't live without my welfare!" Hey, Dembski - re your fugly book - "Get a job, punk!" :)

Mo Chúisle fo shúisle!!

I'm glad the movie got into your head, though I can't honestly explain why. But those are my favorite kind of movies: the ones that get into your head. I hope it was a good birthday.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,00:58   

http://www.amazon.com/Bill-De....6924426

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Initial post: Jun 19, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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John Kwok says:
As for someone who is indeed a genuine liar, thief and con artist extraordinaire, I must nominate my "pal" Bill Dembski; an assessment which many would agree with, including not only Abbie Smith, but also my friend Ken Miller, noted Brown University cell biologist and Jerry Coyne, eminent University of Chicago evolutionary geneticist (whom I had the pleasure of meeting here in New York City at the Rockefeller University evolution symposium on May 1st.). Why?

Here's why:

1) Bill committed the legal equivalent of grand theft larceny against the Dover (PA) school board, by charging them $20,000 for "services rendered" as a potential defense witness, then declining to serve as such when he could not have his private attorney represent him during the 2005 Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District trial.

2) Bill had a clip of someone farting associated with his online essay critical of Judge John E. Jones after Jones' historic ruling at the end of the 2005 Kitzmiller vs. Dover trial.

3)Bill contacted the U. S. Department of Homeland Security two years ago, requesting that they investigate eminent University of Texas ecologist Eric Pianka as a "potential bioterrorist".

4) Bill orchestrated a "death threat" campaign against eminent University of Texas ecologist Eric Pianka and the Texas Academy of Sciences.

5) Almost exactly one year ago, Bill, along with his fellow intellectually-challenged Uncommon Dissent pals (including Mike Behe) held an online "roasting" of Johns Hopkins biochemist David Levin, simply because Levin had spotted some errors in Behe's "research".

6) Bill made a rather crude, quite despicable, comparison of notable University of Chicago evolutionary geneticist Jerry Coyne with Herman Munster at Uncommon Dissent last year (Jerry thought that Bill's act was truly a very "low blow".)

7) Bill followed up this bizarre display of infantile behavior with another Uncommon Dissent comparison of distinguished University of California, Berkeley paleobiologist Kevin Padian with Archie Bunker, "rhetorically" asking whether Padian was the "Archie Bunker of evolutionary biology".

8) Bill has admitted at Uncommon Dissent - with ample malicious intent - that he stole a Harvard University cell animation video made by the Connecticut-based video production company XVIVO (This has been noted by others, including Abbie Smith, and David Bolinsky, XVIVO's president, elsewhere online.).

9) Last December, Bill tried to exercise a crude form of censorship against yours truly by asking Amazon.com to delete my harsh, but accurate, review of Bill's latest published example of mendacious intellectual pornography, otherwise known as "The Design of Life" (which I did read, but won't admit how I obtained a copy). He also organized an online smear campaign against me, which IDiot William Wallace has noted in his latest post at Abbie Smith's blog (www.scienceblogs.com/erv).

10) In early May, at Uncommon Dissent, Bill had the gall to whine and to moan about "rich Darwinists" like Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Francisco Ayala and Ken Miller for "making money" off of evolution. He also made the inane observation that we ought to support Intelligent Design since it is a "middle class" idea, whereas evolution is an "upper class" idea. Bill also made the absurd claim that he is a member of the middle class, when the real truth is that he is a graduate of a prestigious Catholic boarding school (Portsmouth Abbey), and had, growing up, a childhood that was far more "upper class" than either mine or Ken Miller's.

So much for honest, decent, "Christian" behavior from devout "Christian" Bill Dembski, right? These aren't the acts of someone who truly abides by Christ's teachings, but rather, Lucifer's.

Respectfully yours,

John Kwok


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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,01:23   

Is there a thread here with all those?

He forgot:
Posting a list of (Baylor?) Academics home phone numbers when he had his staff cafeteria rights revoked.

Welching on a bottle of single malt scotch bet.

Saying he has two PhD's when one is just a Pastor's license.

Admits ID is propaganda and not worth peer review by his actions and deeds.

Admits ID can only be taught as science by political subversion and not able to stand scientific peer review by his actions and deeds.

Admits ID earns him cash (thank you very much)regardless of its veracity. The true mark of conman if ever there was one. He might as well be selling magic healing crystals, all purchases final don't come back if it doesn't work sucker.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,07:35   

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Is there a thread here with all those?


If there were such a thread, you would have to call it "Understanding Intelligent Design In Plain Language."

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,10:54   

Following O'Leary's lead in embracing Amazon Tags as virtues, Dembski creates a new cover for 'Understanding Intelligent Design"


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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,12:00   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 20 2008,01:58)
6) Bill made a rather crude, quite despicable, comparison of notable University of Chicago evolutionary geneticist Jerry Coyne with Herman Munster at Uncommon Dissent last year (Jerry thought that Bill's act was truly a very "low blow".)

That is low. Really low.



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,12:58   

Quote (Quidam @ June 20 2008,10:54)
Following O'Leary's lead in embracing Amazon Tags as virtues, Dembski creates a new cover for 'Understanding Intelligent Design"

Oh.  That isn't a misshapen sausage.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,13:43   

Quote (Quidam @ June 20 2008,10:54)
Following O'Leary's lead in embracing Amazon Tags as virtues, Dembski creates a new cover for 'Understanding Intelligent Design"

That's what know as Quidam's Proof that there is NO Intelligent Designer.

What moron would design an amusement park to be located right next to a waste disposal unit?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,10:42   

This is how you explain ID in plain language!

(Not sure if I've got the hang of the slideshow stuff yet, hope it works).






Edited by Lou FCD on June 26 2008,02:20

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,11:23   

Post of the Week!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,11:28   

Amadan  - You did this yourself?  Excellent!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,11:44   

That was fantastic!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,11:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2008,11:23)
Post of the Week!

Sheer genius!

My personal favorite lines:
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Read it, read it with a goat.
Find the out-of-context quote.
Find the biblical footnote.
Then you'll know what floats my boat.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:51   

Amadan,

That absolutely deserves a wider audience.  I've called it to PZ Myers' attention -- hope that's okay with you.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:23   

Post of the year. Completely brilliant.

Robert 'Gloppy' Marks isn't fit to carry your Photoshop manual.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,14:31   

I wonder if there will ever come a day that Dembski's sycophantic readers actually grow tired of shelling out bucks for the same recycled, repackaged shit every year or so...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:50   

Quote (keiths @ June 25 2008,12:51)
Amadan,

That absolutely deserves a wider audience.  I've called it to PZ Myers' attention -- hope that's okay with you.

Amadan,

PZ linked to your masterpiece, but he doesn't mention your name.  Did you ask him to withhold it?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:25   

Nope, didn't contact him at all.

Do your good works by stealth, etc etc.

And thanks to all who made nice noises about it.

Looking at it again, I see lots of little mistakes to be tidied up. (Post-hoc editing, an AtBC tradition.)

Any suggestions/requests for further works of litterature?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,17:55   

I've always had a problem with Green Eggs and Ham as a story. It depicts a person saying "NO!" again and again and again and again, being repeatedly ignored, and eventually surrendering due to weariness.

I'm not sure that's a message we want to send (ignore "no" and persist until you impose your wishes.)

(ETA: But Amadan, your adaptation is brilliant. In fact all your stuff is really great.) (But I liked your old shrugging priest avatar better)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,00:57   

The Green Eggs and Ham is brilliant.  Well done.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,01:22   

Quote (Amadan @ June 25 2008,11:42)
This is how you explain ID in plain language!

(Not sure if I've got the hang of the slideshow stuff yet, hope it works).





Indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,02:03   

I'm waiting for how long it takes a creo to

1) Notice this
2) Accuse the author of some kind of copyright violation
3) Fail to remember that the Expelled film use of "Imagine" got through on the same parody/criticism exception that would apply to this

My money's on 5 days.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,03:05   

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Post of the year. Completely brilliant.

That's getting closer to the correct assessment.

Maybe it's just me, but Dr. Seuss had always seemed to have a slightly sinister under-tone.  Of course, that makes Amadan's adaptationdesign even more appropriate.

Could The Very Hungry Caterpillar be done solely with cheesy poofs?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,03:52   

Quote (Bob O'H @ June 26 2008,03:05)
Could The Very Hungry Caterpillar be done solely with cheesy poofs?

Perhaps. Unfortunately, Ms O'Leary's legal advisers are proving difficult about an adaptation of My Pet Goat.


Edit Yadda yadda yadda

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,04:08   

Photobucket seems to cause major problems for a lot of browsers, so I've rejigged the slide-show to run under Picasa, which works much better.

The Definitive Version (until the next one).

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:01   

Outstanding!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:25   

Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,15:21)
How about this stretched cardigan?

Childish.

But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:34   

Atheists *AND* god deniers. My goodness. they're probably unchristian too*



*apart from the Christian ones.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:36   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,16:25)
But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

Hey now, the Reverend Ronald Simms is anything but a God denier.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:37   

How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:45   

Brace yourself for "No true christian/ Scotsman" folks.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,16:49   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,14:37)
Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.

lcd and the English language.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,17:07   

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Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay...


What a crushing example. I'm convinced.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:11   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,15:25)
Childish.

But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

Childish?  After the age of two and before 14, children aren't much interested in breasts.  

Anyway I'm assured she's 18 so it's not childish at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:34   

Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,17:37)
How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.


Frags and Coop Dog Rates. Hot Dogs and Whores' Ovaries. Dictators and Lazy Fare Government. Avatars and Nom nom nom the Plump.  Shitters and Toilets.

A doo, dude.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,18:41   

uhh . . . lcd . . . Dembski pioneered childish tantrums . . . matter o'fact, he is often referred to as the "Dick Buttkiss of childish humor/tantrums". Some call him the Isaac Newton of Infantile Behavior. To further educate yourself on his childish tactics I suggest you read John Kwok's review of the new book. It gives a good overview. Or you can dig into the tard mines here at AtBC and find it all.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:10   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 30 2008,14:34)
Atheists *AND* god deniers. My goodness. they're probably unchristian too*

Can one be an atheist but *not* a God denier?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:57   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 30 2008,16:34)
 
Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,17:37)
How can one be Christian and believe in Evolution too?

Somethings don't go together.  NASCAR and Ballay, Real Science and Evolution.


Frags and Coop Dog Rates. Hot Dogs and Whores' Ovaries. Dictators and Lazy Fare Government. Avatars and Nom nom nom the Plump.  Shitters and Toilets.

Hookers 'n blow.

Oh, wait.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,20:28   

lcd is right. We do need real science like astrology (ala Behe) and weighing witches against ducks. We also need more real science like that presented in ID,s premiere journal which hasn’t published in almost three years.  And bacterial flagellums look like Mazda rotary engines. Now that’s science !

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,20:30   

"Ballay"? WTF?

(ballay ballay ballay...)

Oh, BALLAY!!!! Duh.

And yet he spells "NASCAR" correctly. Go figure.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,07:35   

Quote (dogdidit @ June 30 2008,20:30)
"Ballay"? WTF?

(ballay ballay ballay...)

Oh, BALLAY!!!! Duh.

And yet he spells "NASCAR" correctly. Go figure.

Yes, it's "Ballet".  As I said, I'll be running this thing through a spell checker so that doesn't happen.

As for NASCAR, well, I see it everyday.  Ballet, never.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,07:49   

skeptic, is that you?

<squints>

Ah hell who cares.

Fresh Tard

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Posted: 06/30/2008
Does McCain Believe in Evolution?
Sean McDowell

           President Bush set off a firestorm of controversy when he claimed, in a lighthearted conversation with a Texas journalist, that intelligent design out to be taught in public schools. He said, “I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought, and I’m not suggesting—you’re asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, and the answer is yes.”[1]
           Bush’s comments set off such a firestorm that Time magazine shortly had a cover story entitled, “Evolution Wars” that discussed the merits of intelligent design (ID) as a scientific enterprise. The controversy has continued into this election process, as the Republican candidates were asked in a nationally televised debate in 2007 whether they believed in evolution. Former Governor Mike Huckabee, Representative Tom Tancredo, and Senator Sam Brownback, indicated that they did not. John McCain said that local school districts should have the final say as to what is taught in their communities.
           Two years earlier, however, McCain had given a more complete answer. He told the Arizona Daily Star that he believed intelligent design should be taught in schools: “I think there has to be all points of view presented. But they’ve got to be thoroughly presented. There’s nothing wrong with teaching different schools of thought.”[2]
           While issues such as oil prices, the economy, and Iran’s nuclear ambitions seem to be the leading issues on the national agenda, intelligent design promises to continue to be a significant issue in our cultural conversation. Intelligent design theorists continue to do ground-breaking research and the public is becoming more aware of the growing scientific case for design and the shallowness of Darwinian evolution.. The movie Expelled brought the lack of academic freedom to the forefront of cultural dialogue, and with the release of the DVD this fall, the controversy will only continue. Currently there are a number of court cases looming that will potentially bring academic freedom to our schools.
           Given the importance of this issue, it is more critical than ever that Christians be conversant on the merits of ID. This is why I recently wrote Understanding Intelligent Design (along with William Dembski), to help educate people regarding this critical issue. The Darwinists are mounting their troops like never before (especially since the 150 year anniversary of the release of The Origin of Species is coming up next year). We must be prepared. Thus, please check out the first chapter of Understanding Intelligent Design, which is posted online for free: www.conversantlife.com/understandingID.


Sean McDowell is a nationally recognized speaker. He graduated summa cum laude from Talbot Theological Seminary with a double Masters in Theology and Philosophy. He is the author of Understanding Intelligent Design and Ethix: Being Bold In A Whatever World.

[1] Matthew Cooper, “Fanning the Controversy over Intelligent Design,” Time, August 3, 2005.
[2] C.J. Karamargin, “McCain Sounds Like Presidential Hopeful,” Arizona Daily Star, August 24, 2005.
Distributed by www.ChristianWorldviewNetwork.com


Who wants to bet Mr McDowell doesn't 'understand intelligent design'?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,07:57   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 01 2008,07:49)
Who wants to bet Mr McDowell doesn't 'understand intelligent design'?

He clearly understands the most important principle that guides the ID movement - write books so that you can make money from the rubes!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,08:17   

First chapter available for free
/UnderstandingID.pdf

What's the very first substantial bit of text in it?
 
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Unless otherwise indicated, all Scripture quotations are taken from the New American Standard Bible ®,
© 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Used by permission.
(www.Lockman.org)
Verses marked nlt are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright ©1996. Used by permission
of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, IL 60189 USA. All rights reserved.
Verses marked niv are taken from the HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION ®. NIV ®. Copyright
© 1973, 1978, 1984 by the International Bible Society. Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved.


Now, why would a book about ID have bible quotes?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,08:23   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 01 2008,14:17)
First chapter available for free
/UnderstandingID.pdf

What's the very first substantial bit of text in it?
   
Quote
Unless otherwise indicated, all Scripture quotations are taken from the New American Standard Bible ®,
© 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Used by permission.
(www.Lockman.org)
Verses marked nlt are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright ©1996. Used by permission
of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, IL 60189 USA. All rights reserved.
Verses marked niv are taken from the HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION ®. NIV ®. Copyright
© 1973, 1978, 1984 by the International Bible Society. Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved.


Now, why would a book about ID have bible quotes?

Well it can't be because ID is about religion because almost everyone tells us it isn't about religion. Must be for some other reason like ID being all about religion or something.

{blech}

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,09:18   

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Contrary to what naturalistic thought would expect, these very first photosynthetic bacteria scientists find in the geologic and fossil record are shown to have been preparing the earth for more advanced life to appear from the very start of their existence by reducing the greenhouse gases of earth’s early atmosphere and producing the necessary oxygen for higher life-forms to exist.


Who knew?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-291740

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,09:38   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 01 2008,08:17)
First chapter available for free
/UnderstandingID.pdf

What's the very first substantial bit of text in it?
   
Quote
Unless otherwise indicated, all Scripture quotations are taken from the New American Standard Bible ®,
© 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Used by permission.
(www.Lockman.org)
Verses marked nlt are taken from the Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright ©1996. Used by permission
of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Wheaton, IL 60189 USA. All rights reserved.
Verses marked niv are taken from the HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION ®. NIV ®. Copyright
© 1973, 1978, 1984 by the International Bible Society. Used by permission of Zondervan. All rights reserved.


Now, why would a book about ID have bible quotes?

Dembski also does the obligatory "Wah Wah Dover, Wah Wah Judge Jones" in the excerpt:
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Jones’s main distinction before being appointed a federal judge was to serve as chairman of the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board. As neither a scientist nor a scholar, he was ill-equipped to preside over this case. It won’t be the last on intelligent design.


In other words, "We were run over by a bus, and another one will be along soon and we'll jump in front of it, too."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,09:42   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 01 2008,09:38)
Dembski also does the obligatory "Wah Wah Dover, Wah Wah Judge Jones" in the excerpt:
   
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Jones’s main distinction before being appointed a federal judge was to serve as chairman of the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board. As neither a scientist nor a scholar, he was ill-equipped to preside over this case. It won’t be the last on intelligent design.


In other words, "We were run over by a bus, and another one will be along soon and we'll jump in front of it, too."

Actually a more accurate translation from the demsbkian dialect would be "We'll keep trying until we get a judge as stupid as we are."

Which could happen...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:17   

At the next IDC trial involving the use of "The Design of Life" by some deluded teacher, I look forward to Dembski being called by the plaintiffs as a hostile witness.

Oh, and Wells, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:30   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 01 2008,10:17)
At the next IDC trial involving the use of "The Design of Life" by some deluded teacher, I look forward to Dembski being called by the plaintiffs as a hostile witness.

Oh, and Wells, too.

Does "deluded teacher" mean to you when applied to ID as someone who was, "pressured to teach something they feel is very wrong, got fired and they are now suing a hostile work environment"?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:37   

LCD don't you think a teacher should be able to teach dispassionately things they disagree with?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:39   

I feel the alphabet theory of word construction is wrong and it is immoral to teach it since the bible tells us that God Gave Us Teh Word.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:44   

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Does "deluded teacher" mean to you when applied to ID as someone who was, "pressured to teach something they feel is very wrong, got fired and they are now suing a hostile work environment"?


I'm afraid that doesn't parse easily, but it appears that the answer is, "No."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:54   

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At the next IDC trial involving the use of "The Design of Life" by some deluded teacher, I look forward to Dembski being called by the plaintiffs as a hostile witness.

Oh, and Wells, too.

Could you put a bug in someone's ear about video for the next one?  The plaintiffs should really push hard for that, for documentary, evidential, and educational purposes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:58   

I'll try. Judge Jones has, IIRC, commented that he now regrets not allowing video coverage of the KvD trial.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,10:58   

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Does "deluded teacher" mean to you when applied to ID as someone who was, "pressured to teach something they feel is very wrong, got fired and they are now suing a hostile work environment"?


I'm afraid that doesn't parse easily, but it appears that the answer is, "No."

Why would a teacher be fired simply for being pressured to teach something? Maybe the intended meaning was that the teacher taught something contrary to the curriculum.

So would it be a hostile work environment that fires a math teacher for teaching that pi equals three?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,11:04   

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I'll try. Judge Jones has, IIRC, commented that he now regrets not allowing video coverage of the KvD trial.

Thanks, Wesley.  The sane world would benefit greatly, I'm sure.

...and I'm quite sure that Judge Jones is not the only one who regrets that.

The IDCH hucksters however, probably thank the Disembodied Telic Entity every single night for it.  And if they don't, they should.

EDITED:  My grammar, she suckethed.

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Does "deluded teacher" mean to you when applied to ID as someone who was, "pressured to teach something they feel is very wrong, got fired and they are now suing a hostile work environment"?

A history teacher fired for teaching holocaust denial.  
A physics teacher fired for teaching the earth is 6,500 years old
A Social Studies teacher fired for teaching the 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'
A Biology teacher fired for teaching creationism

All may well strongly believe their delusions, but that does not permit them to teach these delusions.  If their delusions prevent them from teaching the curriculum then they need to find another career.

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A history teacher fired for teaching holocaust denial.  
A physics teacher fired for teaching the earth is 6,500 years old
A Social Studies teacher fired for teaching the 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'


Damn. You've just prescribed permanent unemployment for the majority of creationists and cdesign proponentsists.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,12:19   

But you left out HIV denial.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,12:40   

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I feel the alphabet theory of word construction is wrong and it is immoral to teach it since the bible tells us that God Gave Us Teh Word.

It's also immoral to learn other languages, because God created different languages at Babel so that different groups of people wouldn't be able to communicate with each other.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,13:43   

Isn't Beckwith's endorsement just as left handed as possible?

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“Intelligent Design is often rejected, but rarely understood, especially by those who incessantly tell the rest of us to keep an “open mind.” This is an age when sophisticated academics do not flinch at requiring public school students to watch “sex education” demonstrations that involve bananas and condoms. Yet these same intellectuals insist that our children be shielded from any literature that may cast doubts on materialism. This is why ID advocates would face less resistance in our more cerebral venues if someone somewhere would just label it as pornography. But, alas, that has not happened. So, you’ll just have to discover by your lonesome self what gets Richard Dawkins’ panties in a bunch. Start by reading this book and learning something. If you wind up disagreeing with portions of it or even the whole thing, that’s okay, for many of us (me included) have issues with and questions about ID as well. But some of us are far more suspicious of the thought-police that want to ‘protect you’ from this new boogey man.”
–Francis J. Beckwith, Professor of Philosophy and Church-State Studies, Baylor University


I think Dr. Dr. wanted something a little more positive and Frank offered to meet in the Baylor cafeteria to discuss it... Instead he got
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“Intelligent Design is often rejected...If you wind up disagreeing with portions of it or even the whole thing, that’s okay.”
–Francis J. Beckwith, Professor of Philosophy and Church-State Studies, Baylor University


with an erotic subtext of bananas and condoms meeting resistance in the panties of a cerebral professor. Just the thing to sell copies to the Josh McDowell crowd.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,13:49   

If the Intelligent Designer hadn't wanted bananas used in classroom condom demonstrations, He wouldn't have made the fruit fit the hand so irreducibly.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:19   

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This is an age when sophisticated academics do not flinch at requiring public school students to watch “sex education” demonstrations that involve bananas and condoms.


Teach the con(dom)troversy!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:16   

Dr. Dr. hasn't fooled the Library of Congress

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:22   


Ray Comfort teaches the condomtroversy

Bananas are frisky things, be safe - always use a condom.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,16:08   

That sample chapter is quite laughworthy, but it adds nothing new. It's basically 'Darwinism is replacing christianity and destroying faith, and ID is the answer to how you can keep your faith but it's not about religion. Also we're being oppressed.'

Dembski (assuming those bits are his) seems to have a knack for very eloquently putting forward the other side's good arguments, and then trying to refute them with his made up crap. I mean, normally I have a little patience for religion and spirituality, but Dembski clearly lays it out: if what the Darwinists are true, Christianity is WRONG WRONG WRONG. He's putting that dichotomy there himself, and the only thing that he's holding people onto his side with is his made-up scam of a theory. This seems to me to be a very fragile position to put his readers in, because as soon as they realise the nonsense he's offering on his side, the other is going to look exactly as inviting as he says it is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,22:31   

What I thought was funniest is that this book, explaining in plain language about intelligent design, which is supposedly all about science and nothing to do with religion, has a foreword by a well-known conservative Christian apologist.

I guess they're right. It doesn't get much plainer than that! :)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,22:47   

The Jolly green Giant's posterior on the cover may be an allusion to DrDrD's new title, The Dick ButtKiss of Intelligent Design.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,09:50   

So somehow I get fundie spam in my yahoo mailbox.  That's what I get for surfing creo-tard on promiscuous sites.  But sometimes lately there has been some funny shit.  I don't care enough to go through this and it would be like cutting up the mona lisa for cleaning up dog shit.  There are some real howlers in here though.  My favorite,

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Just as we “fine-tune” a shower in the morning to make it tolerable, the entire universe is fine-tuned to support human life.


I just imagined this douchebag preaching without a space suit while orbiting the moon.  Fuck You Sean McDowell You Ignorant Liar.
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Understanding Intelligent Design
Worldview with Sean McDowell

Where did we come from? Why are we here? How did life as we know it come about? Are we accidental by-products of a purposeless, dark, and cold universe (as Darwinian evolution teaches)? Or are we the pinnacle of creation by a loving God? In other words: Is the world a cosmic fluke? Or is the universe the handiwork of personal God? Few questions, it would seem, are more important than these.
If you’ve taken Biology 101, visited a museum lately, or watched a recent Discovery Channel documentary you’ve probably heard that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. University Professor Francis Ayala recently said, “Scientists agree that the evolutionary origin of animals and plants is a scientific conclusion beyond reasonable doubt.”[1]
This idea shows up frequently in popular television shows, too. For example, in a Friends episode Phoebe and Ross discuss the merits of Darwinian evolution. Shocked to find that Phoebe rejects it, Ross says, “Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact, like, like, like the air we breathe, like gravity.” If you look closely, you’ll also find Darwinism being taught in the children’s movie Lilo and Stitch and in a recent episode of The Family Guy. The take-home lesson is simple: smart people are supposed to believe in evolution, and only fools believe the world was designed by God.
         
The Underwhelming Evidence for Evolution
           Despite the common claim that evolution is duly supported by the evidence, the facts show otherwise. A growing number of leading scholars (with Ph.D.s from top secular universities) are questioning the merits of Darwin’s theory. For starters, while there is plenty of evidence for microevolution (small changes within a species) there is no compelling evidence for macroevolution (the theory that all of life descended from one common ancestor through random mutation and natural selection).
In science class today, the word “evolution” refers to Darwinian macroevolution, not microevolution. Nevertheless, it is amazing how many people confuse the evidence for microevolution with evidence for macroevolution. After a Newsweek article on evolution, one respondent wrote in to the editor in defense of Darwinism: “They say there’s no evidence for evolution. Yet there it is within my own lifetime. My older sister was one of the patients saved by the new wonder drug penicillin, which probably couldn’t save her now because microbes have evolved to the point that penicillin can’t kill them anymore. That’s fact, not theory—evidence that life forms can change over time.”[2]
           Can you spot the confusion? While she offers evidence for microevolution, her example is irrelevant to the grand claims of Darwinism. If, in order to beat the antibiotic, the bacteria had evolved into jellyfish, that would be evidence for Darwin’s theory. But no such transition has ever been observed in either the lab or in the fossil record. Much of the evidence that supposedly supports Darwinian evolution—the Peppered Moths, Darwin’s finches, HIV mutations, and more—only support microevolution. The move from these examples to Darwinism is a blind leap of faith.
           To be fair, there are other “evidences” offered by Darwinists to support their theory. Just check out your school textbook. But these have problems, too. For a more in-depth treatment of the myths of evolution, see my recent book Understanding Intelligent Design (co-written with William Dembski). You will love our analysis of the fossil record!

The Case for Design
           Not only are there insurmountable problems for Darwinism, there is also powerful case to be made that the world bears the marks of a Designer.  Scientists are just recently finding evidence to support the claim King David made roughly 3,000 years ago—that the world reveals knowledge about God (Psalm 19:1-2). Consider two examples:

1. The Design of DNA. If you came across a message in the sand that read, “John Loves Mary,” what would you conclude caused it? Was it the result of wind, erosion, and waves? Or is it best explained as the work of an intelligent agent? The answer is obvious—a mind did it. The laws of nature simply can’t account for a message of this sort.
           Since its discovery in 1953, scientists have realized that the DNA inside a cell carries information for the production of proteins. In fact, it’s been estimated that one cell in the human body has the equivalent of 8,000 books of information! Ordinary experience tells us that information, such as a book or computer program, comes from an intelligent source, such as that of an author or computer programmer. Information points beyond itself to an information-giver. Just as the message “John Loves Mary” points beyond itself to an author, the information in the human body points beyond itself to a Designer.
           This evidence is so compelling that it even persuaded the most influential atheist of the past fifty years! Antony Flew spent most of his life arguing that God did not exist. But when he was confronted with the evidence of DNA, he changed his mind. Flew said, “It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.”[3]

2. The Fine-Tuning of the Universe. Imagine you came across an abandoned cabin in the woods. The temperature was set just as you like it, your favorite music was playing, books by your most beloved author were sitting on the table, new boots just your size were sitting by the door, and the fridge is filled with the snacks, drinks, and desserts you most enjoy. What would you conclude? Most likely, with each new discovery, you would conclude that this home was prepared with you in mind. The cabin, it would seem, was crafted uniquely for you ahead of time.
           In the past few decades, scientists have realized that our universe is just like this cabin—it is crafted perfectly for human existence. In other words, the universe is “fine-tuned” for human life. The conditions that need to be satisfied for the universe to permit human life are so remarkably exact that even very slight variations in these conditions would result in an inhospitable world. Like Little Bear’s porridge, the laws of physics that govern the universe must be “just right.” For example, if the force of gravity were even slightly stronger or weaker, life would be impossible. To be exact, gravity must be fine-tuned to one part in 1040 (that’s one part in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000).[4]
This is only one example of the fine-tuning necessary for human life. Oxford physicist Roger Penrose concluded that if we jointly considered all the laws of nature that must be fine-tuned, we would be unable to write down such an enormous number, since the necessary digits would be greater than the number of elementary particles in the universe![5] Just as we “fine-tune” a shower in the morning to make it tolerable, the entire universe is fine-tuned to support human life.

           There are many more examples of design that could be mentioned. To put it simply: the evidence for design in the natural world is compelling. Learning to see God’s fingerprint in nature will not only help you ward of skeptics who challenge why you believe in God, it will also encourage you profoundly in your personal faith. To help make the scientific case for design understandable, I recently partnered with mathematician and philosopher William Dembski to write, Understanding Intelligent Design: Everything You Need to Know in Plain Language. You can actually download the first chapter for free at: www.conversantlife.com/understandingID.

~ Sean McDowell

[1] Francis Ayala, Darwin’s Gift to Science and Religion (Washington DC: Joseph Henry Press, 2007), 140.
[2] Newsweek, “Letters,” Bev Kaufman (December 20, 2004), 19.
[3] Antony Flew and Gary Habermas, “My Pilgrimage from Atheism to Theism: A Discussion between Antony Flew and Gary Habermas” Philosophia Christi, vol. 6, no. 2, 2004, 201.
[4] Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of Nature (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1984), 242.
[5] Roger Penrose, The Emperor’s New Mind (New York: Oxford, 1989), 344.
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,14:16   

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Understanding Intelligent Design
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1. The Design of DNA. If you came across a message in the sand that read, “John Loves Mary,” what would you conclude caused it? Was it the result of wind, erosion, and waves? Or is it best explained as the work of an intelligent agent? The answer is obvious—a mind did it. The laws of nature simply can’t account for a message of this sort.


I actually like Sean's version of Paley's argument. For "John Loves Mary" the answer is obvious. But throw in a few rounds of duplication, shuffling and a mutation or two so that you get "esohybJoL fJoL nseohyvan LoanseohesohyM rJr Myvam LoaM rJr M". Is that gripping romance or what? I think most people would answer - what. It's just a little demonstration of how easily our common sense intuitions (which are being appealed to here) can be confused. Then encode the message in piles of sand instead of strokes with a stick, and...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,14:25   

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Fuck You Sean McDowell You Ignorant Liar.


sigh...

Now, if I had said that about someone from your side, I'd have been banned to the bathroom wall.  There is nothing in that quote from McDowell that supports E's claim.

I'll have to order this book for my boys seeing as it has you folks so wound up.  It must be a good one.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,14:30   

I went a couple hundred rounds with someone who asserted SETI should be looking for something equivalent to "john loves mary" in mitochondrial DNA. Such people get quiet when you ask them for examples that have actually been found.

Obviously we know that humans produce sentences and we have lots of examples of things humans have produced. Oddly enough, the list of things produced by humans doesn't include living cells from scratch chemistry, nor any fully functional computer simulations of living things.

So the list of living things that resemble things known to have been designed is a null set.

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Fuck You Sean McDowell You Ignorant Liar.


sigh...

Now, if I had said that about someone from your side, I'd have been banned to the bathroom wall.  There is nothing in that quote from McDowell that supports E's claim.

I'll have to order this book for my boys seeing as it has you folks so wound up.  It must be a good one.

There are other things that should be occupying your attention, Ftk.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,14:32   

FtK do you believe the entire universe is fine-tuned for human existence?

even outer space?

Since that is clearly one of the stupidest things ever said, we must determine whether Sean McDowell believes that he can preach in orbit without a space suit.  

Does he believe this?  If so, then I am truly sorry for being so mean to him.  If he truly believes this, I say we send him up there to prove it to us meanie evilutionists.

Does he not believe that he can preach in outer space without a suit?  But he said the entire universe is fine-tuned for human existence.  That makes him a liar.

Take your pick.  He is either very stupid or very dishonest, or both.  Since you are the local expert on both, I suggest you take it up with him.

ps by the way your husband is very charming.  I'm afraid he ran into the same problem you do, namely EVIDENCE.  was fun for a while though.

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Fuck You Sean McDowell You Ignorant Liar.


sigh...

Now, if I had said that about someone from your side, I'd have been banned to the bathroom wall.  There is nothing in that quote from McDowell that supports E's claim.

I'll have to order this book for my boys seeing as it has you folks so wound up.  It must be a good one.

and no, Ftk, you would not.  I know it's your profession to lie and then nail yourself to your cross, but it's really tiresome at this point.

You've gotten away with far worse.

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Who had July 2 in the flounce-back-in pool?

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Who had July 2 in the flounce-back-in pool?

Umm, not so fast there, Skippy.  She has to post at least four times before it is a flounce-in.  Right now, we just have a drive-by  FTKing.

HA HA THIS IS FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,15:16   

The best part of this particular drive-by is that she proved the point of my comment upthread. She's gonna buy the book "for the kids", and keep the Dembski rube-fleecing operation afloat until the next book.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,22:08   

I just need to say that the Amazon page for Dembski's new book makes me chuckle aloud each time I look at it. The tags on it are a crack up. Poor Dembski. He has a pack of scrub jays hounding his every move. I love that. You will fail dembski . . . you are just a grown up version of the kid we tied to the leaky downspout during a torrential downpour. We enjoy picking on you because you're such an easy target.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2008,13:57   

That discussion I made a thread about (a long long time ago) has flared up again. And this guy is summing up ID like this:
ID says that *ahem* non-trivial algoritmic systems cannot spontaniously arise. To realise non-trivial algoritmic systems, you need an intelligent designer.
How does that compare what Dembski says in his book?

PS: And ofcourse, I kept asking if he could actually start talking about biology here. And ofcourse, he won't do that, because according to him everything would just get confusing then. A lovely discussion.
PPS: He sums op the theory of evolution like this:
A bunch of just-so stories for wich there is A no evidence that it happend "that way" and B no evidence that it can happen.
Ofcourse I'de love to respond to the bloke, but because he doesn't talk about biology and apperantly just about sci-fi (that's what it looks like), I have no idea what to say. Ain't those people lovely?

  
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