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Swbarnes2 said, in response to LCD,
|Quote (lcd @ Aug. 08 2008,07:02)|
I am not looking for evidence to bolster my faith in God or His Word in our world.
You need to stop digging.
It was silly enough when you wrote on the Telic Thoughts thread:
“What I'm looking for is science evidence that will back up my faith.”
You got correctly criticized for it, and you could have done the straightforward thing, and said “Yes, you are right, that was silly of me to say “ or “Yes, you are right, I intend to do the right thing the harder thing, and look for evidence that contradicts my preconceived ideas.”
But instead you chose to say that you weren’t in fact doing the thing that just the previously day you were recorded saying you were intent on doing.
It’s just transparent.
|4: I am looking for Positive Evidence FOR not Negative Evidence against something.|
Umm, didn’t you just say that you weren’t doing that?
Historically, that method works very badly. You can find evidence in favor of a million wrong things, but only right things fail to be disproved. You will never disprove a single wrong thing you believe that way. And you are human, so you surely believe a lot of wrong things. In fact, I find it hard to understand how a certain fruit-eating incident that you probably believe was crucial to the formation of human nature doesn’t necessarily lead you to that same conclusion.
| I am very aware that evidence one thinks disproves one thing does not bolster their own ideas. Only evidence for one's position bolsters your idea.|
No. One’s idea is also bolstered when everyone agrees that no evidence disproves it. You can find evidence supporting a million wrong things.
| It is hard to listen to someone when they are being rude.|
Well, it is horribly rude for a person to think that they know a subject better than the entire community of experts, when in fact that person knows less than a high schooler. And it is horribly rude when people accuse thousands of strangers of being deluded, or ignorant, or liars, when they themselves don’t know what they are talking about.
So yes, it can be hard to deal with rude people.
| All I kept from it was, "College, studies, false, made stuff up".|
Right. We get it. And since you are only ever looking for evidence that supports that belief, you will believe it forever.
| Sad thing is I thought I was watching carefully and knew what was going on. Sadly that was not correct.|
No, what’s sad is that even after being shown that your “looking only for confirming evidence” strategy yields wrong results, you still want to stick to it.
| So when dealing with people outside of academia, realize that we don't know everything and it seems we remember what we want to or already suspect.|
You are responsible for your own beliefs. If you believe stupid and wrong things, when you are a Google away from learning the truth, that’s your fault. Not anyone else’s.
| This is in direct response to my being quizzed on naming a scientist who was doing something wrong.|
Well, yes. That’s how people who care about being right function. They draw conclusions from facts, so when you presented a conclusion that they didn’t already hold, they wanted to know the facts underlying it.
This is in stark opposition to people who draw conclusions for other reasons, say, because they like the conclusions, or because their pastor and parents told them the conclusion was sound. Such people sometimes make a show of looking for facts that support their conclusion (but not facts which would disprove it), but the outcome is the same. A far higher chance of being wrong, and of being so wrong, that it draws amusement and scorn.
If you are going to operate that way, that outcome is pretty much a certainty.
|I apologize for saying it even though I didn't mean it the way many of you might have thought I said it. |
Nice try. It’s not that everyone but you is responsible for how they read your posts, it’s that you are responsible for what you post.
Personally, I predict that your openness is going to dry up real fast. I imagine that you hold a stew of factually ridiculous notions about science, and that you will not stand up to being told over and over again that your cherished beliefs aren’t supported by the facts. You will blame everyone else for holding you to standards like ‘having evidence to support your claims’. You will lash out with a final “Jesus loves me, so there!”, and huff off to more favorable shores, where you will tell sympathetic believers how unbelievably hostile people acted towards you when you made ridiculous claims without evidence.
I of course, am actively seeking the facts which will prove my belief false. Do you perhaps now see the virtue in this stance?