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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,16:46   

As much as i rail on conservatives and how they have let the GOP become polluted with fundy filth, if you are of the republican bent, and want to help take your party back to some level of sanity, here's a way to get involved:

http://www.indiancowboy.net/caid/

there's a bit in Scientific American about it here:

http://blog.sciam.com/index.p....=1&pb=1

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,17:53   

Yeah, I had a post about it yesterday that also noted the "Creation Sunday" list thing.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,18:02   

I'll take it that it's at least somewhat significant then?

The relatively few sigs so far (around 140?) has me a bit worried.

but... "from humble beginnings", as the saying goes.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,18:09   

When I was younger I primarily knew conservatism through George Will and William Buckley, and I more or less considered myself a conservative. Those are two smart dudes. I wasn't completely on board, being an atheist, but I was sympathetic. In the early 90's conservatism seemed to morph into a movement of knuckle-draggers like Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter. Needless to say, I started exploring other options. I found that I'm more or less liberal, if you exclude from that designation the few idiots who support authoritarian leftists, who aren't liberals at all.

   
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,18:11   

knuckle-draggers?

is that an evolutionary evaluation?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,18:21   

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In the early 90's conservatism seemed to morph into a movement of knuckle-draggers like Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter.


no "seem" about it.  it was a very deliberate strategy on the part of neocons to gain control of the party.

It worked fantastically.

You can see a microcosm of it if you look at the history of GW's rise to power in Texas with the help of Karl Rove.

However, I happen to live at the epicenter of the beginning of the technically "reborn" neocon movement that started in Southern California in the late 70's, and really gained momentum with the nomination of Reagan for the presidency.

Really, when looked at from a purely political perspective, the neocon strategy of media spin and galvanizing the fundamentalists to become a fantastic grass-roots support network is nothing short of genius.

It's only now, when they have somebody who thinks he is a "decider" at the helm, that the strategy is starting to show some serious fraying at the edges.

How much damage?  How much lost?

I compare the last 25 years of neocon strategy as analogous to the Enron scandal.

funny enough, a lot of the same folks were involved in that at some point too.

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,18:28   

I'm not so sure that the neocons were that widespread, maybe a few here and there.  I don't think Congress were that impressed by GW and the boys initially and had it not been for 9/11 I think its safe to say he'd have been gone in four years without much of a fight.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,19:12   

oh yes, skeptic, do please bring your tremendous observational skills into this discussion.

We're all waiting with baited breath!

(oh, BTW, the preceeding was an example of "S-A-R-C-A-S-M")

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,19:27   

just passing the time...and do forgive me for forgetting that you were an expert on all matters.  Now THATS sarcasm.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,19:29   

you're forgiven, but just this once.

you may go.

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,19:31   

you mean I may go next?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2006,20:10   

no... just... go.

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