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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2008,05:16   

With the recent wget/curl discussion on the UD thread I figured a dedicated thread to computing woes might be in order.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2008,11:03   

So how does one compute a woe, and what's the unit of measurement for those? :p

  
dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2008,11:24   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 28 2008,17:03)
So how does one compute a woe, and what's the unit of measurement for those? :p

I believe it's measured in Dells.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2008,15:24   

Nerds, start your engines, this may be what we're looking for: †ChangeDetect.

 
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Know exactly what content has changed on your watched web pages...

ChangeDetect marks web page text for you with color-coded highlights of what has actually changed!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2008,20:18   

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Nerds, start your engines, this may be what we're looking for: †ChangeDetect.

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Know exactly what content has changed on your watched web pages...

ChangeDetect marks web page text for you with color-coded highlights of what has actually changed!

Actually, I think this is what you guys really need.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2008,13:58   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 28 2008,19:18)
Actually, I think this is what you guys really need.

Nah, I already have a supply of pocket protectors, from Staples. Don't need any more at the moment. :)

Henry

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,08:15   

A useful firefox plugin is one that "saves a web page as an image". There are several different ones if you search.

Handy for those UD threads where you, for some reason, have several snapshots of it in differing stages of evolution.

Much easier then pasting individual screenshots together.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3408
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1146
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US....cat=all

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,10:10   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 04 2008,14:15)
A useful firefox plugin is one that "saves a web page as an image". There are several different ones if you search.

Handy for those UD threads where you, for some reason, have several snapshots of it in differing stages of evolution.

Much easier then pasting individual screenshots together.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3408
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1146
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US....cat=all

I'm using ScrapBook. It has a lot of options, e.g. you can save parts of a page or save the page including linked graphics/figures (useful for html versions of articles) or ALL linked content (that can take some time to archive), or simply save/archive the page at it is.

A nice feature is that you can edit the page after you archived it e. g. you can remove ads, highlight parts of it, or add notes.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,10:23   

I've played around quite a bit with an OS X utility called "FileVacuum," which is essentially wget wrapped in an OS X interface. I've concluded that there are both practical and ethical (but not absolute) obstacles to tracking UD with sufficient coverage to reliably capture obliviated threads.

One reliable way of doing this would be to capture successive snapshots of UD with sufficient frequency to catch most changes. Previous copies need be renamed/grandfathered and retained. When obliviation is detected we either refer to our most recent copy, or, if that copy reflects the obliviation, go back a few hours and consult an earlier snapshot.

The obvious problem with this is that capturing the entire site, which is over 300 MB and thousands of files, takes hours even on a relatively fast cable connection and probably imposes a burden on their bandwidth that I find ethically unacceptable.

Alternatively, after having captured a snapshot of UD in its entirety once, I envision using wget to detect and download only new UD files (passing over files for which copies exist locally) relative to copies of the original archive. That newly updated copy is stored and never updated further. That is, the process would be repeated, say, 2x daily, but again against the same stored, unchanged copy of an original archive, relative to which new threads (relative to the original archive) that have been updated since the original archive was grabbed would again be "new," and hence copied locally. Manually grabbing new copies of the indexes for the current month may also be desirable (since such indexes would be a "new file" just once, even as references to new threads are added, so repeated updates help). This process would catch early copies of each thread, and repeating the process against a never modified stored archive of the entire site would result in updates that include comments added to threads since the local archive was first created. These successive, updated copies of UD are retained an consulted when needed. †

However, I found that even the process of using wget to compare local and server copies of their site and downloading only new files, while using much less bandwidth, is very time consuming - again taking several hours. That repeated interrogation of UD - which requires that every file on their server be checked against the local copy (with no transfer when a local copy is found) - still must be very demanding upon their bandwidth and disk activity, and I wonder if that doesn't go over the line ethically.

However, I don't know enough about the resources that process demands to make that judgement. Others may also have ethical lines drawn at different locations, so I'd be interested in your thoughts on either topic (or other approaches that did not occur to me.)

Really, the whole idea seems like more trouble than it is worth.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,13:15   

sounds like design detection to me!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,14:02   

What I would do is:

1. Download only the html - images and such aren't required.

2. Track only the 'n' most recent threads, to save bandwidth and time.

3. Feed the html for each post and comment thread into a subversion repository, which will track changes. Possibly after being fed through a script to strip out everything except the post and comments (Ads, sidebar stuff, etc.), and detect 404s.

What you could also do is store posts and comments in a database by comment id, so that when a comment goes missing it can be pulled from the database with a simple query. This wouldn't track changes without some more work, but it would save deleted comments and posts.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,14:27   

Quote (Nerull @ Dec. 04 2008,15:02)
What I would do is:

1. Download only the html - images and such aren't required.

2. Track only the 'n' most recent threads, to save bandwidth and time.

3. Feed the html for each post and comment thread into a subversion repository, which will track changes. Possibly after being fed through a script to strip out everything except the post and comments (Ads, sidebar stuff, etc.), and detect 404s.

What you could also do is store posts and comments in a database by comment id, so that when a comment goes missing it can be pulled from the database with a simple query. This wouldn't track changes without some more work, but it would save deleted comments and posts.

The organization of the UD directory structure makes a lot of this difficult, or at least difficult to script. Each thread gets it's own directory containing an index.html file that contains both the original post and all the comments. But those are scattered throughout dozens of directories named by topic ("Intelligent Design," "Politics" etc.) There are hundreds of threads and dozens of topics. A real mess.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,14:36   

The back-up system that the UD folks got so upset about simply archived the RSS feed.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:06   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 04 2008,15:36)
The back-up system that the UD folks got so upset about simply archived the RSS feed.

Were they upset b/c they were being archived, or b/c the archive was publicly available on the intertubes (assuming it was)?

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:35   

Well, they aren't actually in a directory, that's just mod_rewrite at work.

The posts are actually stored in a database by Wordpress, normally accessable with the format www.whatever.com/?p=<postid>

mod_rewrite rules can change things to make it more human friendly, which is what UD does. But the old style still works.

For example, http://www.uncommondescent.com/?p=3000 is DaveScot asking how the bigfoot shaped rock on mars is explainable by evolution.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:41   

Quote (Nerull @ Dec. 04 2008,16:35)
Well, they aren't actually in a directory, that's just mod_rewrite at work.

The posts are actually stored in a database by Wordpress, normally accessable with the format www.whatever.com/?p=<postid>

mod_rewrite rules can change things to make it more human friendly, which is what UD does. But the old style still works.

For example, http://www.uncommondescent.com/?p=3000 is DaveScot asking how the bigfoot shaped rock on mars is explainable by evolution.

Mmmm.

Increasingly, a good nap is more tempting then extensive squints at WP's data structures for the sole purpose of tweaking UD's collective nose.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:43   

One problem I've found simply going by the numbers is that every post seems to have 50 different revisions, which of which has a different number. Unfortunately they are blank, so you can't use that to see how things have been edited.

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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:49   

I'd tend to agree that its a lot of work for not much purpose, which is why I haven't tried it.

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2008,12:23   

One way of doing it would be to subscribe to the comment feed that exists for each post.

Just add /feed to the url of the post.

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2009,19:26   

Here's a yahoo pipes thing you can use to continually get all comments from at least the most current UD threads in a single rss.

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes....der=rss

Simple to do and I figured it might be useful to keep track of memory holed comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2009,21:33   

Quote (dnmlthr @ Jan. 09 2009,20:26)
Here's a yahoo pipes thing you can use to continually get all comments from at least the most current UD threads in a single rss.

http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes....der=rss

Simple to do and I figured it might be useful to keep track of memory holed comments.

Oooohhhh....that's going in the bookmarks. Until UD figures out how to shut it down.

   
dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2009,18:16   

By slapping together a simple markov chain text generator and web scraper I've built an UD of my own.

Right now the corpus just consists of the hundred or so latest comments, but I'm working on a way to further automate that process.

Would you call Poe on these comments?

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All of this nature are quite useless in the universe, even if they take a strong stance against social and moral relativism.


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So, processor behaviour as that of a processor and its accompanying flavor of skepticism (not forgetting that is evolutionarily-related to plastids, see if it has a long way to go and as mutations and variation made the patch more concave, the perceieved direction of insisting that evolution started somewhere in the debate of the supernatural.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2009,18:31   

Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 06 2009,18:16)
Would you call Poe on these comments?

Reminds me of Kairosfocus.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2009,18:32   

This is way too much fun.

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(At least, I'm assuming it was intelligently designed until we learned EXACTLY how it was he who stands firm to the inference that most people continue to distruss such assertions and fairy tales for 150 years of the universe.


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In this case the feeling was not unlike the experience of pleasure), but not necessarily vice-versa.


And my personal favourite:
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It's like if we are using terms in quite common and standard ways.


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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2009,16:23   

This is the last round of markov-generated UD-isms, promise.

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It's an interview, Denyse, not an intelligent agent.

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They go so far as actual program code goes, I am convinced of its anti-intellectual orientation.

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Does heat have some way of examples and Webster definitions.

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For example, Dawkins is fond of talking about fairies and goblins - (clearly mythical beings that can output binary strings.

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But that is shiny and hairless thus somehow matching someones definition of pseudo-science or anti-science.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2009,16:43   

that stuff is great.  could you find a place to put them somewhere on the internetz where they might be useful to certain woolen friends of ours?  i can see lots of unmarried moms basement dwellers nodding and harrumping in agreement to these comments.

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dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2009,16:58   

Erasmus: It's interesting to see how fast the output improves with a larger corpus to draw from.

The programs are really rough around the edges right now, but cleaning them up should be pretty easy to do once I'm through with the midterms.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2009,17:37   

One of my internet buds once engaged a creationist with unedited responses from Eliza. It went on for an hour or so of back and forth.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2009,19:58   

We used to call that text generator Shakespeare as that what was used in the SciAm article we pinched it from (Showing my age again).
We once wrote a summary and a conclusion to a report and then fed this into shakespeare to produce the body of the report. Nobody noticed.

You are probably more up on this than I am but if you feed enough raw material into the program and expand the search string long enough, you would create a great sockpuppet (You could have two stores, one with the entire opus and another with the current thread)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2009,10:04   

I spent several hours yesterday working on my Pop's machine instead of studying for Tuesday's Bio 112 exam or writing my paper on Frost.

It's an 800mhz hand-me-down with 64 Megs of SD ram and Windows ME (no service packs) on it.

I got it upgraded (finally) to XP home and put Firefox on it. He liked that much better than IE5, but prefers AOL 7.0.

Just kill me, please, before he calls again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2009,16:13   

The October 1984 issue of SciAm had an article on a Travesty Generator.

In 1987, I added a test based on a binomial distribution (IIRC) for a class project, using the n-gram analysis idea from the Travesty Generator to come up with an info theory-based test of similarity between separate texts.

And the "Programming in Perl" book has a travesty generator as an example, plus there is "disassociated press" in Emacs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2009,20:34   

At one stage SA was a great source for computing fun. When they had the articles on Mandlebrot plots, I'm sure that servers in computers across the world slowed down.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,16:15   

I'm having problems with my PC and I am hoping someone out there can help me. †

I am having intermittent problems with the DSL connection. While using a browser and Outlook Express, I will suddenly not be able to connect to anything for a minute or two, then it will start working again. I know it isn't the DSL service or modem because I have a work PC on the same line through a router and it continues to work fine when the home computer doesn't. I don't think it is the ports on the router or the back of the PC, because the problem seems to be limited to Firefox, IE, or Outlook Express. Other programs, like iTunes, continue to work fine downloading while ther browser is flaking out.

Any suggestions how to fix this?

Added Later: Interestingly, I am streaming a baseball game through Firefox (with adobe Flash) without any interruptions, but still have intermittent problems just surfing around.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,19:01   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 07 2009,16:15)
I'm having problems with my PC and I am hoping someone out there can help me. †

I am having intermittent problems with the DSL connection. While using a browser and Outlook Express, I will suddenly not be able to connect to anything for a minute or two, then it will start working again. I know it isn't the DSL service or modem because I have a work PC on the same line through a router and it continues to work fine when the home computer doesn't. I don't think it is the ports on the router or the back of the PC, because the problem seems to be limited to Firefox, IE, or Outlook Express. Other programs, like iTunes, continue to work fine downloading while ther browser is flaking out.

Any suggestions how to fix this?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,21:57   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 07 2009,16:15)
I'm having problems with my PC and I am hoping someone out there can help me. †

I am having intermittent problems with the DSL connection. While using a browser and Outlook Express, I will suddenly not be able to connect to anything for a minute or two, then it will start working again. I know it isn't the DSL service or modem because I have a work PC on the same line through a router and it continues to work fine when the home computer doesn't. I don't think it is the ports on the router or the back of the PC, because the problem seems to be limited to Firefox, IE, or Outlook Express. Other programs, like iTunes, continue to work fine downloading while ther browser is flaking out.

Any suggestions how to fix this?

Added Later: Interestingly, I am streaming a baseball game through Firefox (with adobe Flash) without any interruptions, but still have intermittent problems just surfing around.

I can relate to computer issues...I have no advice, just sympathy. My computer just died last week and I lost a lot of bookmarks and email addresses - fortunately most of the really important stuff other than that was on a portable hard drive that was unaffected. I'm back online almost entirely due to the generosity of CBEBS. Thanks to all who helped.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,22:44   

If established connections work, but browsing is slow of intermittent, I'd suspect DNS.

Or malware. Or a firewall issue.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2009,23:23   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 07 2009,22:44)
If established connections work, but browsing is slow of intermittent, I'd suspect DNS.

Or malware. Or a firewall issue.

Or glitchy driver or .dll

IE and OE both had a tendency (in the past, dunno about now) to try and "establish" their own connections, regardless of the DSL. That might still play havoc for all I know.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,03:28   

What about OS version?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,07:25   

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What about OS version?

Windows XP, Version 2002, SP 2.

I've run two scans, one with AVG on with Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware and didn't find anything. I am also not running a firewall as I am on a router and the AVG firewall was interfering with my wife's work VPN.  I may dig out my old OS disks and try re-installing it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,08:41   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 08 2009,07:25)
Quote (Quack @ Aug. 08 2009,03:28)
What about OS version?

Windows XP, Version 2002, SP 2.

I've run two scans, one with AVG on with Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware and didn't find anything. I am also not running a firewall as I am on a router and the AVG firewall was interfering with my wife's work VPN. †I may dig out my old OS disks and try re-installing it.

I think that the DNS explanation makes the most sense. A quick way to find out if your ISP's DNS servers are flaky is to use some other servers, like Open DNS. If you know how to map DNS servers for your connection, just swap in the Open DNS server IP numbers and see if it helps. It's a lot quicker than reinstalling everything!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,08:53   

does the problem only appear when running outlook and a browser?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,09:33   

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I think that the DNS explanation makes the most sense. A quick way to find out if your ISP's DNS servers are flaky is to use some other servers, like Open DNS.

The reason I mentioned DNS is that my work computer exhibited this behavior a couple days ago, so I added OPEN DNS to the list, and the problem went away.
The company firewall manages DNS, and it allows more than two servers.

The DSL provider is Bellsouth, which is transitioning to AT&T. Lots of weirdness happening.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,10:15   

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I think that the DNS explanation makes the most sense. A quick way to find out if your ISP's DNS servers are flaky is to use some other servers, like Open DNS.

The reason I mentioned DNS is that my work computer exhibited this behavior a couple days ago, so I added OPEN DNS to the list, and the problem went away.
The company firewall manages DNS, and it allows more than two servers.

The DSL provider is Bellsouth, which is transitioning to AT&T. Lots of weirdness happening.

My DSL is through SBC/ATT and hasn't been perfect. I will have one instance per day where I will lose the DSL connection for 30 seconds or so. †I can clearly see the lose of connection on the modem, so I have to assume it is on the provider side. That has been going on for a year or so, but isn't that problematic. †This intermittent connect problem has been going on several weeks and is more annoying.

So, I installed OpenDNS and it seems to be more stable, if a little slower. †But, I have water line problems that need to be attended to, so I'll have to defer giving it a more extended test run. †

Thanks all for the suggestions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,12:28   

As a compromise you can use your ISP as the first DNS server and Open DNS as the second server.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,23:22   

One thing I've seen mentioned in threads about networking issues is address conflicts - two machines trying to use the same address at the same time, with unpredictable (perhaps flaky?) results.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2009,23:57   

Windows is smart enough to notice two computers attempting to use the same IP address, and to give an appropriate message.

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