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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,16:30    James Inhofe is a humongous tar-tar. His comments on science are often so stupid that if a 4th grader made them I'd be tempted to hit the kid. Nevertheless, I do think he has an iota of a point with this: Quote Inhofe dares Hollywood to take warming pledge By Eric Pfeiffer THE WASHINGTON TIMES April 24, 2007 A leading skeptic of global-warming science is challenging celebrity activists such as Al Gore and Sheryl Crow to lower their "carbon footprint" to the same level as the average American by Earth Day in April 2008. http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070423-104948-7992r.htm Quote    "I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting," Miss Crow wrote on her blog. "Although my ideas are in the earliest stages of development, they are, in my mind, worth investigating." Sheryl: More singee, less talkee.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,18:49    But restraint and sacrifice are for the flyover states. Render unto Opie that which is for the petite bourgeoisie. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

snoeman Posts: 109 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,23:07    Quote (stevestory @ April 24 2007,16:30) James Inhofe is a humongous tar-tar. His comments on science are often so stupid that if a 4th grader made them I'd be tempted to hit the kid. Nevertheless, I do think he has an iota of a point with this:   Quote Inhofe dares Hollywood to take warming pledge By Eric Pfeiffer THE WASHINGTON TIMES April 24, 2007 A leading skeptic of global-warming science is challenging celebrity activists such as Al Gore and Sheryl Crow to lower their "carbon footprint" to the same level as the average American by Earth Day in April 2008. http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070423-104948-7992r.htm Quote    "I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting," Miss Crow wrote on her blog. "Although my ideas are in the earliest stages of development, they are, in my mind, worth investigating." Sheryl: More singee, less talkee. Actually, considerably less singee from Sheryl would be equally welcome.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,04:57    Sorry, possible portable aside alert. The talk about singee/talkee Sheryl made me remember two things. 1) A friend of mine went for a job interview at which the interviewer asked him the question "If you could have a dinner party and invite three guests, alive or dead, who would they be?" My friend's reply was "Celine Dion.........dead". He got the job. 2) I can't remember which comedian told this story but he tells a tale of a Whitney Houston gig he attended. It was an outdoor gig in a cold November NYC park and Whitney was late. The crowd waited half an hour, an hour, then after about 2 hours Whitney arrives in a fur coat and sashays onto the stage and informs the crowd "I love you all". A large black gentleman next to the comic in question made the only audible reply: "Sing, Bitch!". Louis P.S. I agree by the way with the sentiments behind the OP. I am all for celebs raising the profiles of issues, however I'm also all for a little money where mouth is action. Madonna wants to save a poor African child by adoption? Use your millions to set up orphanages in Africa. Not MY money, YOUR money. Bono, want to ease Third World Debt and stop starvation? Good oh, cough up then you overrated Irish twat. Too harsh? -------------- Bye.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,06:59    Along a simialr line, I've always thought that the President, Vice President and all members of COngress should be paid minimum wage.  No more. And if they grumble and gripe about "how expensive it is to live in Washington", they should be escorted to all the slums three blocks from the getto and forced to listen to THOSE people explain how THEY manage it on minimum wage. And if they don't like THAT, they should just raise the goddamn minimum wage. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

deejay Posts: 113 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,08:31    Well, yes, there is an iota (or is it a scintilla?) of truth in Inhofe’s remarks.  There’s also more than a little bit of sophistry, because after all, Al Gore and Cheryl Crow aren’t exactly average Americans, no more than America is an average country.   You could just as well ask the average American to lower his carbon footprint to that of an average person across the earth, but that’s not going to score as many points with Inhofe’s political base.   And yes, it is really obnoxious when you see Hollywood types patting themselves on the back for driving hybrid cars to do errands while flying first class tens of thousands of miles a year.  But you have to ask the net effect of their awareness campaigns.  If Al Gore has ten or even a hundred times the carbon footprint of an average American, that could easily be offset by encouraging tens of thousands of others to lower theirs.  Is that appealingly egalitarian?  Of course not.  Is it effective?  I say yes.   And as for Cheryl Crow, her toilet paper idea is about as vacuously self-satisfied as her songs.  Ugh.

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,08:58    Quote (deejay @ April 25 2007,09:31) And as for Cheryl Crow, her toilet paper idea is about as vacuously self-satisfied as her songs.  Ugh. The TP comments she made were obviously a joke. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,09:52    I think there is this kind of idea among celebrities that as long as you have a prius* you don't have to feel guilty any more. I wonder how many air miles Al Gore and Sheryl Crow use. *Which does annoy me do you not have diesel cars in America? Quote Along a simialr line, I've always thought that the President, Vice President and all members of Congress should be paid minimum wage. You need to get a balance so that it's enogh to live comfortably but low enough so that Bush and Cheney wouldn't touch it. Essentially the message needs to be 'if you become president you'll never be a milionaire', that should keep out the assholes. Ironically in the UK although our head of state earns more than Bush 'per person' he earns a #### of a lot less than his wife.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:25    Quote (Chris Hyland @ April 25 2007,09:52) *Which does annoy me do you not have diesel cars in America? Well, yes and no. Early attempts at diesel automobiles were plagued by poor reliability, which poisoned the well with regards to diesels.  For what it is worth, I drive a diesel. It is a pickup truck, which may not exactly count as being green amongst the Hollywood set. But, as I regularly pull substantial loads, I don't think a Prius would quite do. Added in edit:  Inhofe is one of my senators.  Of the two, he is the more sane. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:42    Quote (carlsonjok @ April 25 2007,11:25) Quote (Chris Hyland @ April 25 2007,09:52) *Which does annoy me do you not have diesel cars in America? Well, yes and no. Early attempts at diesel automobiles were plagued by poor reliability, which poisoned the well with regards to diesels.  For what it is worth, I drive a diesel. It is a pickup truck, which may not exactly count as being green amongst the Hollywood set. But, as I regularly pull substantial loads, I don't think a Prius would quite do. As I understand it, the main problem is the quality of the diesel fuel that we have over here.  It's been terrible - very high in sulfur.  But we should now be getting low-sulfur diesel availability, so diesel engines could become more popular. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:59    Quote (improvius @ April 25 2007,10:42) As I understand it, the main problem is the quality of the diesel fuel that we have over here.  It's been terrible - very high in sulfur.  But we should now be getting low-sulfur diesel availability, so diesel engines could become more popular. I am probably being pedantic, but low sulfur diesel (with an allowable sulfur emission level of 500 ppm) has been the standard for road use for some time now.  We are in the midst of a transition to ultra-low sulfur deisel (15 ppm) right now with all road diesel slated to by ULSD by 2010, with all use by 2014. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,11:30    That makes sense, I only asked because when the BBC tested the prius it was considerably less fuel efficient than several similar sized diesel cars available at the time, and at the moment I'm in San Francisco and I've seen more In two days than I've ever seen in the UK.

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,12:40    Quote (carlsonjok @ April 25 2007,11:59) Quote (improvius @ April 25 2007,10:42) As I understand it, the main problem is the quality of the diesel fuel that we have over here.  It's been terrible - very high in sulfur.  But we should now be getting low-sulfur diesel availability, so diesel engines could become more popular. I am probably being pedantic, but low sulfur diesel (with an allowable sulfur emission level of 500 ppm) has been the standard for road use for some time now.  We are in the midst of a transition to ultra-low sulfur deisel (15 ppm) right now with all road diesel slated to by ULSD by 2010, with all use by 2014. Well yes, I probably should have written "ultra-low" instead of "low" sulfur.  But it's all relative.  Really we're just catching up to the standards that they set in Europe well over a decade ago. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,13:57    Quote (Chris Hyland @ April 25 2007,11:30) That makes sense, I only asked because when the BBC tested the prius it was considerably less fuel efficient than several similar sized diesel cars available at the time, and at the moment I'm in San Francisco and I've seen more In two days than I've ever seen in the UK. Isn't deisel more poluting than lead-free petrol? Certainly seems like it when running past them. Deisel emissions sure seem to hurt my lungs more.

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,14:24    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 25 2007,14:57) Isn't deisel more poluting than lead-free petrol? Certainly seems like it when running past them. Deisel emissions sure seem to hurt my lungs more. Much of that goes back to the quality of the fuel itself. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,16:07    Quote (Louis @ April 25 2007,05:57) 2) I can't remember which comedian told this story but he tells a tale of a Whitney Houston gig he attended. It was an outdoor gig in a cold November NYC park and Whitney was late. The crowd waited half an hour, an hour, then after about 2 hours Whitney arrives in a fur coat and sashays onto the stage and informs the crowd "I love you all". A large black gentleman next to the comic in question made the only audible reply: "Sing, Bitch!". Ha! I just started laughing out loud. That's just pitch perfect.

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,16:45    Acorns and creatures: SOLVED -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,18:04    Well, I ditched my car four years ago, haven't had another one since, and now bicycle nearly everywhere I go.  Of course, I also live in a converted garage, and have an average monthly electric bill between $35 and $45 (including summertime in Florida -- I don't run any AC).  I doubt I could live any more simply unless I moved to a cave and ate roots and berries. But if some Hollywood limousine-liberal wants to buy me (plus everyone else in town) an electric car and put solar panels on the roof, I'd not turn them down. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Steviepinhead Posts: 532 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,19:28    Just don't ask him about the carbon footprint attributable to that endless queu of hot'n'tasty pizzas. Well, at least his pizza guy uses a bike (when he's not using a leaky rowboat...).

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,19:36    Quote (Chris Hyland @ April 25 2007,09:52) I think there is this kind of idea among celebrities that as long as you have a prius* you don't have to feel guilty any more. I drove my brother's Prius and, slick car and all, but it couldn't get out of its own way.   After that I was thinking, "let's just go ahead and warm the globe." -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

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