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Traffic Demon Posts: 2 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,14:23    I recently had a creationist claim that a scientific paper described the same rock in Nigeria as providing three different ages.  A little searching found the same paper (Excess Rare Gases in a Subaerial Basalt from Nigeria) referenced on several creationist sites, but I have had no luck tracking down the paper itself.  It is typically referenced as being from Nature (or Nature Physical Science) 232, pages 60-61, from either 1970, 1971, or 1972, but no amount of searching Nature's archives has produced anything resembling that.  Any help that could be offered in tracking down this paper or confirming its non-existence would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance. --Traffic Demon 1:4:9

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,14:29    Google tells me that this paper definitely exists.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,14:51    Title: EXCESS RARE GASES IN A SUBAERIAL BASALT FROM NIGERIA Author(s): FISHER DE Source: NATURE-PHYSICAL SCIENCE 232 (29): 60-& 1971 Document Type: Article Language: English Cited References: 5      Times Cited: 7         Publisher: STOCKTON PRESS LTD, BRUNEL RD HOUNDMILLS, BASINGSTOKE,HAMPSHIRE RG21 2XS, ENGLAND Subject Category: Biophysics IDS Number: J8296 i'll see if i can get a pdf -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 25 2007,14:52    papers citing this paper. [Hmm I don't see Henry Morris] 1. SOUTHER JG, ARMSTRONG RL, HARAKAL J CHRONOLOGY OF THE PERALKALINE, LATE CENOZOIC MOUNT EDZIZA VOLCANIC COMPLEX, NORTHERN BRITISH-COLUMBIA, CANADA GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF AMERICA BULLETIN 95 (3): 337-349 1984 Times Cited: 20   2. ARMSTRONG RL K-AR DATING - LATE CENOZOIC MCMURDO VOLCANIC GROUP AND DRY VALLEY GLACIAL HISTORY, VICTORIA LAND, ANTARCTICA NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF GEOLOGY AND GEOPHYSICS 21 (6): 685-698 1978 Times Cited: 46   3. CIVETTA L, DEFINO M, GASPARINI P, et al. STRUCTURAL MEANING OF EAST-CENTRAL AFAR VOLCANISM (ETHIOPIA, TFAI) JOURNAL OF GEOLOGY 83 (3): 363-373 1975 Times Cited: 14   4. GRANT NK, REX DC, FREETH SJ POTASSIUM-ARGON AGES AND STRONTIUM ISOTOPE RATIO MEASUREMENTS FROM VOLCANIC-ROCKS IN NORTHEASTERN NIGERIA CONTRIBUTIONS TO MINERALOGY AND PETROLOGY 35 (4): 277& 1972 Times Cited: 37   5. GRANT NK, REX DC, FREETH SJ K/AR DATA AND ORIGIN OF FELDSPAR MEGACRYSTS IN BASALT - REJOINDER NATURE-PHYSICAL SCIENCE 238 (81): 42& 1972 Times Cited: 1   6. FISHER DE U-HE AGES AS INDICATORS OF EXCESS ARGON IN DEEP SEA BASALTS EARTH AND PLANETARY SCIENCE LETTERS 14 (2): 255& 1972 Times Cited: 9   7. WRIGHT JB K/AR DATA AND ORIGIN OF FELDSPAR MEGACRYSTS IN ALKALI BASALT NATURE-PHYSICAL SCIENCE 236 (67): 89& 1972 Times Cited: 2 -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Traffic Demon Posts: 2 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 29 2007,17:52    Thanks for the help. --TD

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 30 2007,11:29    I'd be interested to hear what you think of the paper.  I don't recall hearing anything about it, although I have heard other error in dating claims about mt saint helens or somebody's boot or baby tooth or something. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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