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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,09:46    Over at The Isaac Newton of Websites, William Dembski announces SALVO: Quote 5 July 2007 SALVO — A countercultural magazine sympathetic to ID William Dembski Let me encourage readers of this blog to subscribe to SALVO, a countercultural magazine whose new website is now up and running: www.salvomag.com. SALVO is pro-ID and planning a special issue on the topic. I’m on their editorial board. The magazine effectively pushes the envelope on parody, which has become difficult in a culture that too often is a parody of itself. Here’s an example from their website: And you go to their website, and you read stuff like this: Quote About Salvo Magazine: Blasting holes in scientific naturalism, marveling at the intricate design of the universe, and promoting life in a culture of death; Critiquing art, music, film, television, and literature, interrupting mass media influence, and questioning the sanity of our consumerist lifestyle; Countering destructive ideologies, replacing revisionist fictions with undeniable facts, and paring away political correctness; Debunking the cultural myths that have undercut human dignity, all but destroyed the notions of virtue and morality, and slowly eroded our appetite for transcendence; Recovering the one worldview that actually works. Published by The Fellowship of St. James (FSJ) and here's some of their 'News' Quote    *   7/5/07    * embryo screening means fewer births    * gay pastor removed    * "feminism made me a lesbian"    * 7/2/07    * technology kills    * 6/29/07    * scientists transfer DNA    * no birth-control advice on the bus    * abortion provider prosecuted    * 6/26/07    * scientists believe Darwinism needs upgrade    * 6/25/07    * Giuliani angers Catholic leaders and of course the usual suspects on the board: Quote Editorial Advisory Board Steve Beard Francis J. Beckwith Mark Brumley Paul Copan Simon J. Dahlman William Dembski Norman Geisler Robert P. George Gary Habermas Rebecca Hagelin Craig Hazen Hugh Hewitt James Hitchcock Phillip E. Johnson Greg Koukl Herbert I. London Stephen Meyer Russell D. Moore J. P. Moreland Paul Nelson Fr. Mitch Pacwa John Mark Reynolds Jay Richards Hugh Ross Fr. Ron Tacelli John West W. Bradford Wilcox Frederica Mathewes-Green Looks like yet another Revolve-style attempt to promote Jesus as a tatooed skateboard radical who is, like, totally righteous. Christianity is like so counterculture, dudes.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,09:51    A Salvo from Crux Austringer on 29 Jun 2006 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,09:58    Ah...that looks familiar. HIV Deniers? Crux has been taken down, but here's a snippet someone posted at PT: Quote The medical literature spells it out differently—quite differently. The journals that review HIV tests, drugs, and patients, as well as the instructional material from medical schools, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and HIV test manufacturers, will agree with the public perception in the large print. But when you get past the titles, they’ll tell you, unabashedly, that HIV tests are not standardized; that they’re arbitrarily interpreted; that HIV is not required for AIDS; and, finally, that the term HIV does not describe a single entity but a collection of non-specific, cross-reactive cellular material. I laugh at the evolution deniers, but the HIV deniers are reprehensible.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,10:18    Crux was the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... gone. Salvo is the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... yeah, right. Kids today may have their problems, but sniffing out phonyism isn't generally one of them. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,10:54    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 06 2007,10:18) Crux was the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... gone. Salvo is the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... yeah, right. Kids today may have their problems, but sniffing out phonyism isn't generally one of them. All us nay-saying darwinist materialist scum should just remember :  You can't spell SALVATION without SALVO! Amen. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,11:02    Of course, if they were advocating that people behave like Jesus, that would actually be a radical suggestion, in the sense of radical meaning drastic change. But they're advocating that people behave like Rick Warren, which is not exactly radical.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,11:03    Speaking of Rick Warren, I just put a comment on the Bathroom Wall about him. Too off-topic here.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,11:12    Some of the articles on that SALVO site are pretty frightening. This one, by some theology major at Loyola/Chicago, has the heading "True tales of students caught in the academic crossfire". What's her beef? Gasp, a guest lecturer in her 300-level Bioethics class was a "1989 doctoral graduate of Loyola, [and] a founding member of the abortion provider Jane, Inc., which “served” women seeking abortions during the decade prior to 1973." Seems like you'd want to have lots of viewpoints expressed in a Bioethics class, and inviting guest lecturers might be a good way to introduce a diversity of opinions. But no, this theology student, true to her kind, writes   Quote Ethics ought to be taught by those who are truly ethical, and I want my teachers to actually teach instead of just facilitating discussion; that is why I pay $30,000 a year to attend a private university! Translation - Just tell me the ethics, don't make me think about it, and please don't make me discuss it with any of those other folks in the class! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,11:17    I keep thinking of that guy who's stalking Torvik declaring that Darwinism is 'whack'. He'd be a good fit for SALVO. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,11:26    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 06 2007,11:12) Some of the articles on that SALVO site are pretty frightening. This one, by some theology major at Loyola/Chicago, has the heading "True tales of students caught in the academic crossfire". What's her beef? Gasp, a guest lecturer in her 300-level Bioethics class was a "1989 doctoral graduate of Loyola, [and] a founding member of the abortion provider Jane, Inc., which “served” women seeking abortions during the decade prior to 1973." Seems like you'd want to have lots of viewpoints expressed in a Bioethics class, and inviting guest lecturers might be a good way to introduce a diversity of opinions. But no, this theology student, true to her kind, writes     Quote Ethics ought to be taught by those who are truly ethical, and I want my teachers to actually teach instead of just facilitating discussion; that is why I pay $30,000 a year to attend a private university! Translation - Just tell me the ethics, don't make me think about it, and please don't make me discuss it with any of those other folks in the class! "Ethics ought to be taught by those who are truly ethical."  Indeed.  And classes about organised crime should be taught by Mafiosi, ancient history should be taught by dead people, and religion should be taught by gods. Biology, however, should be taught by lawyers and engineers. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,12:13    Quote Critiquing art, music, film, television, and literature, interrupting mass media influence, and questioning the sanity of our consumerist lifestyle; Countering destructive ideologies, replacing revisionist fictions with undeniable facts, and paring away political correctness; I quite like the sound of the second and third objectives.  But not in the way they're thinking.  Do you reckon they include gay-bashing and abortion clinic bombing as products of "destructive ideologies"?

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,12:22    Quote (JohnW @ July 06 2007,10:26)   Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 06 2007,11:12) Some of the articles on that SALVO site are pretty frightening. This one, by some theology major at Loyola/Chicago, has the heading "True tales of students caught in the academic crossfire". What's her beef? Gasp, a guest lecturer in her 300-level Bioethics class was a "1989 doctoral graduate of Loyola, [and] a founding member of the abortion provider Jane, Inc., which “served” women seeking abortions during the decade prior to 1973." Seems like you'd want to have lots of viewpoints expressed in a Bioethics class, and inviting guest lecturers might be a good way to introduce a diversity of opinions. But no, this theology student, true to her kind, writes       Quote Ethics ought to be taught by those who are truly ethical, and I want my teachers to actually teach instead of just facilitating discussion; that is why I pay $30,000 a year to attend a private university! Translation - Just tell me the ethics, don't make me think about it, and please don't make me discuss it with any of those other folks in the class! "Ethics ought to be taught by those who are truly ethical."  Indeed.  And classes about organised crime should be taught by Mafiosi, ancient history should be taught by dead people, and religion should be taught by gods. Biology, however, should be taught by lawyers and engineers. I’m actually sympathetic to a lot of criticism of women’s studies and the utter pablum that passes for “feminist theory” these days. But these folks at Salvo just rattle on abstractly – if that young lady has a story to tell, she should tell her story. Be specific and concrete, and have a, ahem, point. (How male-identified of me! *Cheerfully toodles off to see what Steve wrote about Rick Warren* -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,12:22    No, I think they'd categorize that as "Renewing the Culture"

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,13:34    Quote (Kristine @ July 06 2007,12:22) I’m actually sympathetic to a lot of criticism of women’s studies and the utter pablum that passes for “feminist theory” these days. But these folks at Salvo just rattle on abstractly – if that young lady has a story to tell, she should tell her story. Be specific and concrete, and have a, ahem, point. Well, me too. I work at a university, and there is plenty of muddled thinking masquerading as feminist "theory" these days. But when I read a headline about "caught in the academic crossfire", I expect more than "they made me sit through a lecture by someone who I might not agree with." Crikey, if you don't want to hear a diversity of perspectives, don't go to a university. Go to Billy Bob's Bible and Welding Tech. And if someone writes     Quote Walk into a Women’s Studies department (or any academic department, for that matter), and you will find all manner of competing feminist theories. I expect them to back it up. I have a hard time believing that there are a lot of competing feminist theories in math, biology, physics, engineering, agronomy, or just about any discipline outside of Women's Studies. And since she is a theology major, how does she handle all those competing theories? -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,13:44    Since in 5 years of college at a state school I might have run into explicitly feminist hypotheses once or twice, I have a hard time believing that this catholic university is simply drenched in eco-lesbo-marxist abortionist dogma. And anyone who goes to a women's studies department and is shocked to find different feminist theories being discussed is just an idiot.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,13:48    From that same article: Quote Feminism is out of control. Its programs, while paying lip service to the notions of free expression and diversity, simply will not tolerate a discourse grounded in absolute truth. I have a feeling whichever professors have to listen to that girl on a weekly basis, they're probably tolerating a hell of a lot.

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,14:13    Hey, a parody magazine...from ID....isn't that kind of an oxymoron?....Any who, I have a photo submission. This one still cracks me up Oh, maybe not..... -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,14:28    Quote (Steverino @ July 06 2007,14:13) Hey, a parody magazine...from ID....isn't that kind of an oxymoron?....Any who, I have a photo submission. This one still cracks me up Oh, maybe not..... This is perfect for their cover... who knew JC was such a "with-it kind of guy"... does this mean that Creos have to like totally change their anti-gay thing now that Jeebus is so "down wit Teh Gays?" -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,14:30    I wonder is we can locate a picture of him doing the Electric Slide or the Chicken dance..... :D -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,14:38    J-Dog...as an aside, you profile image is my fav TV marketing campaign.  They guy who plays the caveman as absolutely fantastic! -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2007,15:04    Quote (Steverino @ July 06 2007,14:38) J-Dog...as an aside, you profile image is my fav TV marketing campaign.  They guy who plays the caveman as absolutely fantastic! Yeah, thanks - I thought so too.  Glad I grabbed him before all the other cave-man wannabe's could.  But I'm still waiting for Raquel... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

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