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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,22:52   

Davescot used my name to say awful things on a blog one time. Someone used FtK's name recently at PT. Someone's used Doc Bill at pharyngula recently to post stupid rantings.

Is this new? I've only become aware of it recently. Is this a new tactic by the trolls, or is there a history of this sort of thing?

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,23:19   

ARDEN POSTS AS SEXI_GRLL_23 IN AOL CHAT ROOMS.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,23:44   

I've found people using either "FtK" or "Reasonable Kansans" in at least 4 different blogs.  I've got a feeling that the those using my name are from the Emanuel Goldstein clan of commentors, because Josh (Thoughts from Kansas) was able to check IP addresses once, and if I remember right, the IP address was the same as one of the Emmanual/Blair/JC/etc. reincarnations.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,23:54   

Quote (Ftk @ June 09 2007,23:44)
I've found people using either "FtK" or "Reasonable Kansans" in at least 4 different blogs.  I've got a feeling that the those using my name are the from the Emanuel Goldstein clan of commentors, because Josh (Thoughts from Kansas) was able to check IP addresses once, and if I remember right, the IP address was the same as one of the Emmanual/Blair/JC/etc. reincarnations.

Another nut to add to the string of nuts on your side, FTK.

Doesn't that tell you something . . . . .?

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,00:12   

Yeah, it tells me there are "nuts" on both sides.  Fr'instance, it's common knowledge that you use various names on other blogs.  Why, I don't know, but evidently that's not considered "nutty".

Not to worry though, I still love you.  I just think you're a bit of a fruitloop.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,00:57   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,00:12)
Yeah, it tells me there are "nuts" on both sides.  Fr'instance, it's common knowledge that you use various names on other blogs.  Why, I don't know, but evidently that's not considered "nutty".

Not to worry though, I still love you.  I just think you're a bit of a fruitloop.

After a night with Lenny and his snakes, you'll be singing a different tune, believe you me.

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,01:04   

Doubtful....sounds hideous.  Far too kinky for my taste.  I don't need snakes to get off...

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,01:16   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,01:04)
Doubtful....sounds hideous.  Far to kinky for my taste.  I don't need snakes to get off...

Just close your eyes and think of the Adam and Eve story.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,02:56   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,00:57)
Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,00:12)
Yeah, it tells me there are "nuts" on both sides.  Fr'instance, it's common knowledge that you use various names on other blogs.  Why, I don't know, but evidently that's not considered "nutty".

Not to worry though, I still love you.  I just think you're a bit of a fruitloop.

After a night with Lenny and his snakes, you'll be singing a different tune, believe you me.

Arden, Arden...

Must you and Richard solve all your problems with sex?

seriously, don't you get tired?

:p

lenny uses other names?  

I haven't seen him use any other handles on any blog in the last couple of years.

lenny?  you cheatin' on us?

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,03:56   

It's an old troll tactic, but not one that I have seen around the evolution stuff in the couple of years I have been watching, until now.  

She's probably reffering to Lennies Pizza guy, but I reckon that is someone else.

Obviously this can cause all sorts of ill feeling, so in a forum in which you don't have to log in, such as PT, they should be banned on sight.  

Mind you, on another forum I go to 2 or 3 people have multiple names which they use depending on how they feel.  This has worked so far partly because it is not a forum designed for arguing, and anyway their friends on the forum know who they are and things do not get out of control.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,06:28   

I just use my own name everywhere. Keeping track of different names and characters and what terrible things you've said is far too much like hard work.

I have enough trouble keeping up with the terrible things I say myself.

Louis

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,08:03   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,00:12)
 Fr'instance, it's common knowledge that you use various names on other blogs.

Me?  Uh, no, FTK.  I only and always post under my real name.  I have nothing to hide.   And anyway this is the only blog I post on (except occasional comments at Daily Kos).

You are, as usual, hallucinating.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,08:05   

Quote (guthrie @ June 10 2007,03:56)
She's probably reffering to Lennies Pizza guy, but I reckon that is someone else.

Actually it is several "someone else's".   ;)

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,08:19   

Hmmm...I thought you did.  Don't you post as George Cauldron?  Maybe not...my bad.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,09:39   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,01:04)
 Far too kinky for my taste.  

....

...............

...ngghhhhh

.....Oh just send this post straight to the bathroom wall!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,10:04   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,08:19)
Hmmm...I thought you did.  Don't you post as George Cauldron?  Maybe not...my bad.

You do seem to have a habit of jumping to conclusions about things you don't know anything about, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.  

Unlike you, I only post under my real name.  Unlike you, I don't need to hide behind a pseudonym.  Unlike you, when I go into a public political arena, I take full personal responsibility for everything I say, and I don't hide behind anonymity.

Perhaps that is because, unlike you, I am not a paranoid kook who thinks everyone is out to hunt me down.  Anytime the likes of DaveScott want to find me, I make it easy for them.  They are all cowardly blowhards anyway.  (shrug)

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,10:06   

Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:52)
Davescot used my name to say awful things on a blog one time. Someone used FtK's name recently at PT. Someone's used Doc Bill at pharyngula recently to post stupid rantings.

Is this new? I've only become aware of it recently. Is this a new tactic by the trolls, or is there a history of this sort of thing?

It isn't new but it is very questionable IMO.

I do not like people posting under numerous names. To pretend to be somebody else is far worse.

Personally I prefer to only post with my real name on most blogs (there are exceptions eg: on a game blog I will post as my char name). However I can understand posting with a non-de-plum (sp). No problem so long as it is consistent.

My 0.02 of a dollar.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:16   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 10 2007,08:05)
Quote (guthrie @ June 10 2007,03:56)
She's probably reffering to Lennies Pizza guy, but I reckon that is someone else.

Actually it is several "someone else's".   ;)

Really? I know one person who delivers Lenny's pizzas, but I didn't know there were others.

You know what happens when you hand something over to a committee.

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PennyBright



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:26   

Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:52)
Davescot used my name to say awful things on a blog one time. Someone used FtK's name recently at PT. Someone's used Doc Bill at pharyngula recently to post stupid rantings.

Is this new? I've only become aware of it recently. Is this a new tactic by the trolls, or is there a history of this sort of thing?

It's nothing new to the internet -- the first time I got spoofed was in a chatroom back in 1997.  I haven't seen it often on EvC blogs/forums -- or any other serious topic forums really -- until very recently.

I've always found it to be sort of amusing/pathetic.   It rarely works -- the kind of mind that thinks "I'll pretend to be X and make them look bad"  is almost never capable of pretending to be X well enough to be believed.   Especially when acting out of character.    

The other primary motivation for it is to get user X banned -- and that works less and less well as the ability to follow and identify users by IP  has grown more sophisticated and accessible to less tech savvy forum owners/operators.

I'm all for consistent and/or realname nicks.    I use two nicks (one my real name
) because I have two very different internet "lives", so to speak.   But both of my nicks are consistent in the areas I use them,  and they have no overlap.  In any and all forums related to EvC, skepticism, atheism, religion, public health, etc  I am PennyBright.   In any and all forums related to knitting, writing, hiking, cooking, homemaking, cleaning funny spots with homemade  cleansers, etc,  I am  [redacted by author].

Sort of a school-life vs homelife kind of separation, as it were.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:42   

I post with various pseudonyms at evolution/politics blogs, but I only use one pseudonym per blog. I only use my real name at linguistics blogs. It's just common sense.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:04   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 09 2007,23:19)
ARDEN POSTS AS SEXI_GRLL_23 IN AOL CHAT ROOMS.

YES, AND I'VE GOTTEN RICHARD ARRESTED TWO TIMES. ONCE MORE AND LET'S JUST SAY EVERYTHING DAVE SAYS ABOUT HIM WILL BE TRUE.  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:33   

Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:52)
Davescot used my name to say awful things on a blog one time. Someone used FtK's name recently at PT. Someone's used Doc Bill at pharyngula recently to post stupid rantings.

I think that the post you're referring to was from someone calling himself "a reasonable Kansan," which is not the same thing as posting as "FtK."  Because FtK's blog is entitled "Reasonable Kansans," in the plural, we should be able to assume that she doesn't consider herself to be the only reasonable Kansan.  I hope.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,17:06   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,11:42)
I post with various pseudonyms at evolution/politics blogs, but I only use one pseudonym per blog. I only use my real name at linguistics blogs. It's just common sense.

What, you mean Arden Chatfield isnt your real name?  

The name I use is my real name however.  But it will take you a bit of digging to find the rest of it out, and I never manage to annoy anyone enough that they will do it.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,17:17   

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She's probably reffering to Lennies Pizza guy, but I reckon that is someone else.


yes, and yes.

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someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,17:54   

Ichthyic, for some reason I've always been under the impression that you are the same person as Sir_Toejam at PT.  Is that right?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,17:56   

yup.

started off as sir_toejam everywhere, finally got tired of it (and got tired of people complaining), and so came up with a new name for here.

just too lazy to bother changing it on PT.

btw, I've posted articles I've published in this very forum, so it's easy enough to find out what my real name is too.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,18:08   

Quote (guthrie @ June 10 2007,17:06)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,11:42)
I post with various pseudonyms at evolution/politics blogs, but I only use one pseudonym per blog. I only use my real name at linguistics blogs. It's just common sense.

What, you mean Arden Chatfield isnt your real name?  

Nope!

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The name I use is my real name however.  But it will take you a bit of digging to find the rest of it out, and I never manage to annoy anyone enough that they will do it.


Hey, even FTK, Thordaddy, and Ghost of Paley never annoyed me that much.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,10:14   

Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:52)
Davescot used my name to say awful things on a blog one time. Someone used FtK's name recently at PT. Someone's used Doc Bill at pharyngula recently to post stupid rantings.

Is this new? I've only become aware of it recently. Is this a new tactic by the trolls, or is there a history of this sort of thing?

David Scott Springer did that to me at PT - it was a contributing factor to his banning there (that and trying to hack the site - seems a computer super-genius like Springer should have not only been able to do it, but do it without leaving a trail).

His laughably pathetic excuse was that he was not really trying to impersonate me, but was really trying to impersonate a guy he worked with....  who just happened to have the same name as me...
;)

The guy can't even lie very well.  Seems he has a reputation for this sort of thing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,10:17   

Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,00:12)
Yeah, it tells me there are "nuts" on both sides.  Fr'instance, it's common knowledge that you use various names on other blogs.  Why, I don't know, but evidently that's not considered "nutty".

Not to worry though, I still love you.  I just think you're a bit of a fruitloop.

But there is a difference between using different names at different places (a means to shake off the stalkers) and intentionally employing the known name of another person.

Or don't you think so?

I once encountered an IDcreationist on a board who actually not only used 2 different names on the board, but he used them at the same time, and what is more,  one of his personas claimed the other was a former room mate, and the room mate heaped praise upon the other's antievolution claims.

When the site owner spilled the beans, the creationist actually tried to justify it all.

Odd how the cretin mind 'works.'

  
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