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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,11:02   

I won't paste the whole entire files here, but bornagain7777777 has some position papers on near death experiences (NDEs). †I'll post some really tardalicious excerpts. †If you find that you want the whole thing, PM me. †Oh, and he's asked for feedback (ha ha ha ha ha).

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The question that is begging an answer is, of course; ďWhy the 90% to 20% difference in NDE rates for children and adults?Ē In my opinion, the answer seems to be fairly straight forward and direct. Children simply have not been corrupted into believing that it is impossible to live past the death of our bodies. As we grow into mature adults, we are literally bombarded with many false beliefs and outright lies; telling us that this world is all there is. We live; we die; end of story. We are told this lie over and over again. Indeed, it is against the law to teach a child in public school the truth that God created either him or her. We are assured, under the guise of scientific integrity, that evolution is the reason we are here. I have never found a theory in science, such as evolution, that has been so easily refuted by the scientific evidence that is readily available. The theory of evolution is the biggest deception I know of in society. Besides being force-fed this deception of evolution as we grow, all the little para-normal and miraculous occurrences that happen in our lives that are from the hand of God, are usually rationalized away as being mere coincidences or ridiculed as manifestations of superstition from an overactive imagination. Indeed, as we become adults we lose the magic and wonder inherent to being a child. As a child, we are able to believe anything is possible. I contend that our over-zealous skepticism we gain as adults is spiritually killing us as far as the preponderance of NDEís for adults are concerned. Surely, skepticism is necessary in discerning truth from deception. Yet, too much skepticism can blind us to the super-natural world of God when we rationalize everything away as being mere coincidences that have no deeper meanings. A child has the magical ability to unquestionably believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and even monsters under the bed. Yet, as we become adults, this magical ability to believe anything is possible is severely hampered as we find many things we believed as children are not true. We, with good reason, being blatantly deceived by our imagination as we grew up, became more skeptical as we became adults. Yet, God is far from the mythical figures of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, though He is often treated as such. Contrary to popular belief, God is indeed real; It was, indeed, God who did create us. God does, indeed, love us very much and God does, indeed, speak to everyone everyday. Yet, our vigilant skepticism, that is naturally brought about as we grow up, blinds us to the many different little ways God speaks to us everyday. Though many people, who profess to be religious, will be offended if told that they are not listening to God. The truth is that, most adults, all suffer from varying degrees of spiritual blindness and deafness as far as seeing and hearing God is concerned. What we once could easily attribute to the hand of God, when we were children, is now automatically dismissed because of our over-zealous skepticism as adults. I find this fact to be true even in church, with people who profess to believe in a personal God and in life after death. Indeed, it may be that the people in church are the hardest ones to convince that they are spiritually blind and deaf since they naturally believe they are so ďcloseĒ to God.

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It is my assertion that the losing of this magical ability we had as children, to believe anything is possible, is the main and primary reason for the significant drop in the percentage of Near Death Experiences from children to adults. For you see, the loss of this magical ability, to believe anything is possible, is the main and primary reason for our spiritual blindness and deafness to what God is saying and doing in our lives in the first place.

 
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Needless to say, this is absolutely horrifying. Thank God for the grace we have in God/Christ/Supreme Being if these accounts of Tibetan NDEs turn out to be truly as horrific as these first studies are indicating. The majority of Eastern NDE's that I have read about in PhD level papers are, for the most part, deeply distressing, no matter which culture I have read about, (Japanese, Tibetan, Indian, Chinese, African, Saudi Arabian and Melanesian). Of the few pleasant adult NDEs I have read about from profoundly different cultures, they lack the stunning depth of beauty, and overwhelming feelings of love and forgiveness, so commonly reported in western NDEs, save for the few childrenís NDEs of those cultures that I have read about. As a Judeo/Christian society, we should seek to conduct a major study on NDE phenomena throughout the world. It is our sacred duty as decent human beings to do our best to firmly establish the truth; so that we may warn the poor souls of any false religion what awaits them following death. It is also apparent we should have a rigorous study sanctioned weeding out any false beliefs we may have in our own Judeo/Christian societies contributing to the minority of horrid NDEs or to the fact that most adults have no NDEs at all. Though some complacent individuals may argue that such a study is not that important; I disagree!!; I find the fact that we, as a whole, are thoroughly ignorant of such matters to be very worrisome.

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Many times positive NDErs are also adamant about saying we should be loving and tolerant of all religions. But then why do the hard facts of the NDEs themselves betray this open tolerance of all religions? If it were really true that all religious paths lead to God then shouldnít the NDEs of foreign lands have the same overwhelming percentage of wonderful elements that we find in our NDEs? I would certainly think so! It is my assertion, from the evidence that Iíve seen, that the Judeo/Christian belief system is by far the most desirable belief system one could have when facing imminent death; and it is also my assertion that a purely Eastern philosophy is one of the most dangerous philosophies one could have. Until I see conclusive and rigorous PhD level evidence that indicates otherwise, I will not apologize for saying the Eastern religions are false pagan religions that are dangerous to whomever holds their beliefs as a primary belief system while facing impending death.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,11:09   

Oh my.  That's pretty much Grade A, 120-proof tard.  It's like Everclear, only it causes much, much more brain damage.  The fact that I read it this early in the morning is, I think, a clear signal that I have a serious tard-addiction.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,11:15   

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Until I see conclusive and rigorous PhD level evidence that indicates otherwise, I will not apologize for saying the Eastern religions are false pagan religions that are dangerous to whomever holds their beliefs as a primary belief system while facing impending death.


woah. What would such evidence look like one wonders?

As to feedback - Point him at this thread why don't ya?

Primary belief system? What, he's got a secondary belief system just in case? Sounds like something DaveScot would do.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,11:25   

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Until I see conclusive and rigorous PhD level evidence that indicates otherwise, I will not apologize for saying the Eastern religions are false pagan religions that are dangerous to whomever holds their beliefs as a primary belief system while facing impending death.


woah. What would such evidence look like one wonders?

As to feedback - Point him at this thread why don't ya?

Primary belief system? What, he's got a secondary belief system just in case? Sounds like something DaveScot would do.

And those Eastern philosophies are horrible because they don't get fuzzy, warm feelings during death.  See, feeling good about yourself while you are dying is proof that Yahweh is real.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,13:40   

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Oh my.  That's pretty much Grade A, 120-proof tard.  It's like Everclear, only it causes much, much more brain damage.  The fact that I read it this early in the morning is, I think, a clear signal that I have a serious tard-addiction.

warning labels, people.

warning labels.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,13:47   

Did you ask him if you could post that publicly???

I had also emailed him and asked for a copy as well, and I found it quite interesting. †It should definently be something that is read in totality rather than quote mined, and also with an open mind and without preconceived conclusions, IMO.

Personally, I don't think he would appreciate you posting that here, so I do hope you asked permission.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,14:41   

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It should definently be something that is read in totality rather than quote minded, <b>and also with an open mind and without preconceived conclusions</b>, IMO.

The tard shines through. No preconceived notions needed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,14:42   

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It should definently be something that is read in totality rather than quote minded, <b>and also with an open mind and without preconceived conclusions</b>, IMO.

The tard shines through. No preconceived notions needed.

unless, of course, you are living in an extreme state of denial, like FTK is.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,15:44   

Oooh FTK, while you're here, how about that science discussion?

Remember to keep an open mind. As an aside, have you considered the hindu creation myth? It differs markedly from the christian one, it also contradicts the christian myth, i.e. they cannot BOTH be correct at the same time.

Have fun.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2007,19:33   

Actually, even before Jerry Falwell left us I had hoped for a near-death experience for him. Considering all those anecdotes about total f-ing fanatical jerks who "came back" a little cowed and contrite, having "seen their lives flash before them" and all that, and becoming more tolerant of other people afterward, I thought that even if it's not a real experience of life after death it would be cool if he had had one.

I mean, what the hell? I'm not counting on any life after death, but if there is, I'm cool with it! I just don't think the existence of any afterlife depends at all upon what you think inside your head. Like evolution, it would happen whether you believe in it or not.

And that's my answer to the original question. I mean, kids have more nightmares, too. I used to have nightmares with my eyes open, for crying out loud. My first memory is of the ghoul that used to appear as soon as my mother left my bedroom and push my crib with me in it into the mysterious door that opened up into the wall. Yeah, I don't think we want to hang onto what we think as children. Kids are more impressionable, after all (isn't that why people drag them to church so early in life, and doesn't that also influence the "near death experiences" that kids "have"?).

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:16   

I got to thinking again today about GCT posting excerpts from bornagainís essays. †Iíve gotta say again that I find it really unethical to post something without the consent of the author...especially when it was provided to you by private email without authorization to do so. †

It is also truly tragic that you all immediately ridicule the conclusions. †From what I understand, the studies in this area of research are rigorous and the experiences are validated as authentic with several studies establishing that the mind and brain are in fact two separate entities.

To post a few paragraphs, and mock his conclusions is typical of some of you, but again I realize that this is the tactic that many of you wish to use to put a stop to anything that you feel might conflict with your worldview. †I doubt that GCT has any PhD. level studies to back up his own views on the topic.

Iím just bringing this up again because I donít think there is anything much lower than sharing private information without consent from the person who has shared it with you. †Blipey pulled that crap with me, and I didnít appreciate it either. †Of course, there is also the fact that someone posted my picture again as well. †

Personally, I think you should have the decency to delete his work from this thread unless you are going to act civil and actually consider it in a professional manner.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:18   

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I got to thinking again today about GCT posting excerpts from bornagainís essays. †Iíve gotta say again that I find it really unethical to post something without the consent of the author...especially when it was provided to you by private email without authorization to do so. †

It is also truly tragic that you all immediately ridicule the conclusions. †From what I understand, the studies in this area of research are rigorous and the experiences are validated as authentic with several studies establishing that the mind and brain are in fact two separate entities.

To post a few paragraphs, and mock his conclusions is typical of some of you, but again I realize that this is the tactic that many of you wish to use to put a stop to anything that you feel might conflict with your worldview. †I doubt that GCT has any PhD. level studies to back up his own views on the topic.

Iím just bringing this up again because I donít think there is anything much lower than sharing private information without consent from the person who has shared it with you. †Blipey pulled that crap with me, and I didnít appreciate it either. †Of course, there is also the fact that someone posted my picture again as well. †

Personally, I think you should have the decency to delete his work from this thread unless you are going to act civil and actually consider it in a professional manner.

Bornagain is offering it to anyone who wants a copy.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:19   

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To post a few paragraphs, and mock his conclusions is typical of some of you, but again I realize that this is the tactic that many of you wish to use to put a stop to anything that you feel might conflict with your worldview.


We're the Darwin Police, honey. Comes with the job.

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I doubt that GCT has any PhD. level studies to back up his own views on the topic.


Cool, wanna share your educational credentials with us?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:36   

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Bornagain is offering it to anyone who wants a copy.


So what..

If you guys want to read it, go ask him for a copy.  But, he didn't give permission to post it anywhere, and it certainly shouldn't be posted here as an object of ridicule.  

Treat his research the way you would want your work to be addressed.  Peer review is great, but gang banging is way wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:39   

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I got to thinking again today

Congratulations. Did it hurt much?

While you are thinking, I have a few questions for you, honey.

*ahem*

What makes your religious opinions any better than anyone else's, other than your say-so?

Which has more information -- a human, a redwood, or a salamander -- and how can we tell?


Any time you're ready . . . . .

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,19:41   

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†Peer review is great, but gang banging is way wrong.

Actually, I kind of like it.

Of course, if your fundie pal doesn't want people ridiculing his "work", he should produce work that isn't, well, ridiculous.  (shrug)

Or, he should be like you, FTK, and produce nothing at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,20:06   

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Bornagain is offering it to anyone who wants a copy.


So what..

If you guys want to read it, go ask him for a copy. †But, he didn't give permission to post it anywhere, and it certainly shouldn't be posted here as an object of ridicule. †

Treat his research the way you would want your work to be addressed. †Peer review is great, but gang banging is way wrong.

If it was an academic paper, it'd be fair game. Also, once you put it in the public domain, you can't really take it back.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,20:23   

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Also, once you put it in the public domain, you can't really take it back.


Hmmm...that's an interesting comment, Richard.  Do you condone sharing private emails or messages?  

Just really curious about your response to that question.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,20:25   

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Also, once you put it in the public domain, you can't really take it back.


Hmmm...that's an interesting comment, Richard. †Do you condone sharing private emails or messages? †

Um, private emails aren't in the public domain, FTK.

Yeesh, this is not complicated.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,20:29   

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I got to thinking again today

Congratulations. Did it hurt much?

Brrr, that was cold! :)

I think I asked some questions that were not mere ridicule, and naturally they got ignored by Ftk, because who needs reality when you've got stereotypes?

Well, being that I don't pretend there aren't some theists here, I thought of another question (and Ftk can chime in after some more thinking): Kids also tend to believe that everything goes to heaven, including trees, grass, bunnies, bugs, and the like.

So, if there's a heaven, does every living thing go there then (because if the answer's yes, Dembski is wrong, because he's stated that all of nature "fell" when Adam and Eve - oops, humans did, and yet nature is not called to salvation, but only people), and if not, why not?

I never liked the idea of heaven only for Homo sapiens sapiens anyway. What about Homo habilis?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,20:30   

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I got to thinking again today about GCT posting excerpts from bornagainís essays. †Iíve gotta say again that I find it really unethical to post something without the consent of the author...especially when it was provided to you by private email without authorization to do so. †

So noted. †I posted excerpts that encompass a small fraction of the paper, but capture the essence of some of his positions. †I cited nothing that gives away any of his "research." †Further, he posted on a public website that he was willing to supply his "work" to anyone.
 
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To post a few paragraphs, and mock his conclusions is typical of some of you, but again I realize that this is the tactic that many of you wish to use to put a stop to anything that you feel might conflict with your worldview. †I doubt that GCT has any PhD. level studies to back up his own views on the topic.

I don't need PhD level studies to back up my view that bornagain777777777 doesn't have any studies that actually back up his views. †There are no PhD level studies that show that eastern philosophy is a false religion that causes people to go to hell.
 
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Iím just bringing this up again because I donít think there is anything much lower than sharing private information without consent from the person who has shared it with you.

Again, he's advertising it on a public sight. †It's not private information. †And, I still didn't simply post the whole thing nor have I sent it to anyone else, which I won't do (even though I toyed with the idea at first).
 
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Personally, I think you should have the decency to delete his work from this thread unless you are going to act civil and actually consider it in a professional manner.

So, apparently, it somehow becomes ethical if we believe in it? †Nice.

Edit: †BTW, FTK, if you really feel that my post is that bad, there's a link you can click at the bottom of the OP that says, "Report this post to a moderator." †Steve Story can decide (or Wes).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:04   

Part the First:

This is a murky issue. I was smacked down here a few years ago for posting an email Casey Luskin sent me, unsolicited, because I simply could not believe what he was saying.

If GCT acted like Salvador Cordova, and chopped off parts of sentences to decieve the reader, I might have some cause to intervene. The fact that bornagain77 offered to send it to anyone suggests he doesn't want the info hidden from anyone. GCT, if bornagain77 explicitly conveyed to you that he wanted it kept private I trust you wouldn't have posted it. As far as being respectful, from the looks of the paper, if bornagain77 was in a philosophy program and turned this in as a thesis it would be suggested to him that other majors might better benefit from his talents, if you get my drift.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:04   

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Also, once you put it in the public domain, you can't really take it back.


Hmmm...that's an interesting comment, Richard. †Do you condone sharing private emails or messages? †

Just really curious about your response to that question.

If its freely available to anyone, as the author suggests, could you please explain to me how it is private?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:13   

Heh, I just thought of a comeback for the "false pagan religion" crapola...

It's my understanding that various eastern traditions, including Buddhism, warn against focusing on miracles or so-called psychic experiences because they are illusion and a distraction from enlightenment.

These illusions and distractions would definitely include most of the stuff hawked as "proof" of Christianity by megachurch hucksters and by psychics in women's magazines (but don't get me started on the utter slop that is published in women's magazines!;). :)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:15   

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GCT, if bornagain77 explicitly conveyed to you that he wanted it kept private I trust you wouldn't have posted it.

There was nothing in there asking for privacy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:31   

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I got to thinking again today about GCT posting excerpts from bornagainís essays.  Iíve gotta say again that I find it really unethical to post something without the consent of the author...especially when it was provided to you by private email without authorization to do so.  


*sigh*

i realize you all felt it necessary to bother to respond to FTK's  accusation.

but, really, think about it.

all she is doing is:

concern trolling with a red herring.

it's simply BS because she can't even begin to address what is actually wrong with the piece posted, so she tries to villanize the poster.  Really, it's none of her business anyway; if the sender had concerns about GCT posting excerpts for discussion, they most likely would have made them very clear in the email.  Moreover, if they did have concerns that were not voiced, they more than easily could have voiced them here.

This person does not need you to be their defender, FTK.

but then, villanization and concern trolling are standard creo tactics.

now that it's addressed more than sufficiently, please don't let her play this stupid game any more.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:31   

Part the Second:

Everyone has seen the lists of English bloopers supposedly made by students on real assignments. We've all seen lists like:

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# Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable time. Voltaire invented electricity and also wrote a book called Candy.
# Gravity was invented by Issac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable in the autumn when the apples are falling off the trees.
# Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had a large number of children. In between he practiced on an old spinster which he kept up in his attic. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Handel was half German half Italian and half English. He was very large.
# Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this.
People who are literate in those liberal arts fields pass them around and get a great big kick at the novel misunderstandings some newbies made.

A lot of what happens here is essentially the science version of that. We gather and pass around the latest amusingly clueless things creationists said. 'mutations can't add information' is the science version of "Bach died from 1750 to the present'. So naturally scientific people are going to have a good laugh at it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:45   

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Also, once you put it in the public domain, you can't really take it back.


Hmmm...that's an interesting comment, Richard. †Do you condone sharing private emails or messages? †

Just really curious about your response to that question.

If its freely available to anyone, as the author suggests, could you please explain to me how it is private?

Maybe it's just me, but if I offered an essay that I wrote to the public, via private e-mail, I would certainly appreciate the person on the receiving end to ask me whether they would mind me posting it elsewhere.  

I would also appreciate knowing where and how many places they were going to be posting it.  I believe that to just be common courtesy.  

Personally, I wouldnít appreciate my work being posted in a hostile forum environment where there is no doubt that it will be received with ridicule and rejection without proper consideration.  

I didnít see anyone ask for more information on the essay or ask whether they could view the essay privately in itís entirely so that they could get a better sense of what the author was sharing with the reader before they commented.  And, if there is further research on the subject that others could offer to rebut the papers that  bornagain references, that should be addressed as well.  Kristine made an attempt at dialogue, though it was also riddled with insults.

I know next to nothing about NDEís, so I would find a respectful dialogue on the topic interesting.  But, I donít think that is possible in this forum.  Preconceived conclusions are too strong in this group, so why not treat the guy the way you would want to be treated?  I doubt anyone here would want their work thrown out to wolves who have no intention of doing anything but taking a dump on it.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:49   

Creobots regularly try and "take a dump" on science. That's why UD exists, per the wedge. Fortunately, fact trumps faith in the domain of logical inquiry.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:54   

If Creationists don't want to be laughed at, they should quit saying such funny things.

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I doubt anyone here would want their work thrown out to wolves who have no intention of doing anything but taking a dump on it.


Would the privacy considerations be different if we were going to praise the article?

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Personally, I wouldnít appreciate my work being posted in a hostile forum environment where there is no doubt that it will be received with ridicule and rejection without proper consideration. †


Can you share with us what 'proper consideration' we should have applied to the article?

Tell you what, start here -- explain to us why we shouldn't have so cruelly rejected the following passage:

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Until I see conclusive and rigorous PhD level evidence that indicates otherwise, I will not apologize for saying the Eastern religions are false pagan religions that are dangerous to whomever holds their beliefs as a primary belief system while facing impending death.


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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:56   

GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?

If so, you gave it more consideration than a certain other person I could mention.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,21:58   

Quote (stevestory @ June 03 2007,21:56)
GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?

If so, you gave it more consideration than a certain other person I could mention.

Zing!

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,23:03   

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Just really curious about your response to that question.

Speaking of being really curious about a response to a question, FTK:

What makes your particular religious opinions any better than anyone else's --- other than your say-so?

And which has more "information" -- a salamander, a redwood tree, or a human ------ and how can you tell?



(sound of crickets chirping)



Yep, that's what I thought. . . .

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2007,23:18   

"GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?"

And, I said I also said I was kidding when I said "it sucks".

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snoeman



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,01:17   

Quote (Ftk @ June 03 2007,23:18)
"GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?"

And, I said I also said I was kidding when I said "it sucks".

Just guessing here, but, you've still not read Wes' paper, right?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,01:23   

Quote (snoeman @ June 04 2007,01:17)
Quote (Ftk @ June 03 2007,23:18)
"GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?"

And, I said I also said I was kidding when I said "it sucks".

Just guessing here, but, you've still not read Wes' paper, right?

Perhaps she was just kidding when she said she would read it.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,09:28   

Does "Damned near died laughing" count as a Near Death Experience?

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PennyBright



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,10:26   

Looks like fair use.

Sounds like drivel.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,11:44   

Quote (PennyBright @ June 04 2007,17:26)
Looks like fair use.

Sounds like drivel.

{APPLAUSE}

The Award for "Best Summary of Pointlessly Wanky Situation" goes to Pennybright. Congratulations, and what do you think you're going to spend your big, fat cheque on?

Louis

P.S. FTK if you're listening, the science is still here waiting for you to discuss it. Please don't keep running away, I started a whole thread for one of your ideas, it took massive effort and I had to trek for miles across frozen tundra with thorns in my genitals to do it, so please don't spurn the opportunity AGAIN. Oh and ignore Richard T Hughes, I've seen him and there is nothing SEXI HAWT about him at all. We all know you came back here for me.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,13:03   

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I had to trek for miles across frozen tundra with thorns in my genitals to do it


had to, or wanted to?

:p

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,13:09   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 04 2007,20:03)
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I had to trek for miles across frozen tundra with thorns in my genitals to do it


had to, or wanted to?

:p

A little from column A, a little from column B. Do you have a problem with that, buddy?

Louis

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PennyBright



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,13:34   

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Congratulations, and what do you think you're going to spend your big, fat cheque on?


Well.....  Normally I'd buy a round for the house.

But under the circumstances, I think I'll have to frame it and hang it on the wall.    ;)

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,13:38   

I Understand. The thought of spending 2 cents all at once bothers me too. Best save it for a rainy day.

Louis

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,13:58   

Quote (Louis @ June 04 2007,13:09)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 04 2007,20:03)
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I had to trek for miles across frozen tundra with thorns in my genitals to do it


had to, or wanted to?

:p

A little from column A, a little from column B. Do you have a problem with that, buddy?

Louis

*looks uncomfortable as he glances down at his Opus Dei official training shorts*

uh, no.  no problem.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,14:02   

No pain, no...ummm...gain (?)

Louis

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,14:06   

exactly!

I got tired of all those emails telling me I was inadequate *whisper* DOWN THERE */* and decided to take direct action.

yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.

you?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,14:07   

You get those emails too? My questions always is "How do they know?"

Louis

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,14:15   

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"How do they know?"


self reference?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,15:10   

somewhere out there, as I write this, somebody is wondering:

How in the hell did a thread about near-death experiences become a discussion about increasing genital size through selective application of pain-inducing devices?

THIS is why I keep coming back to ATBC.

:)

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,15:47   

Quote (stevestory @ June 03 2007,22:56)
GCT, did you at least read the research before saying it sucks?

If so, you gave it more consideration than a certain other person I could mention.

Full disclosure:  I read through the parts that encompass those quotes.  I have not finished the whole yet.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,17:30   

Quote (Louis @ June 04 2007,13:07)
You get those emails too? My questions always is "How do they know?"

Louis

I get those e-mails, too. †:(

My question is, Why don't they know? Gaa. *Stomps foot*

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 04 2007,20:14   

Quote (Ichthyic @ June 04 2007,15:10)
somewhere out there, as I write this, somebody is wondering:

How in the hell did a thread about near-death experiences become a discussion about increasing genital size through selective application of pain-inducing devices?

THIS is why I keep coming back to ATBC.

:)

This pertains to "The little death" and its truncated cousin "The near little death." The latter often results from inadequate endowment. Hence the confusion.

Me, I'm maximizing "remote big death" experiences.

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