Joined: Jan. 2006
[quote=The Ghost of Paley,Feb. 06 2006,20:33][/quote]
My original response was due to Stephen Eliot's reaction to Tiredofthesos. Tired might be responding to something I'm not aware of, but I was letting SE know the background on this that I'm aware of, since it seemed like he hadn't heard of this whole issue. Everything I cited is all quite recent and half of it happened here at AtBC. It's all public record.
I still find it very troubling that you seem to see no problems with using Jared Taylor's work, and that you actually make excuses for him like that 'nationalist'/'supremacist' distinction. The only people I've seen who find distinctions like that so important are people who are essentially racist in all meaningful senses of the word. Moreover, I find it troubling that in response to allegations of racism, your reflex has always been to attempt to redefine the term, and then, having done so, claim the term now doesn't apply to you. I am quite sorry if my message implied that you're antisemitic (that was actually unintentional), but I've seen that argument too many times -- "I can't stand X group, but X group technically doesn't constitute a 'race' (a just about meaningless term anyway, as I'm sure you know), so therefore I'm not racist". It's very weaselly, which I suspect you know. And while I'm glad to hear you don't "believe in mental differences among the races", that sounds like another way to dodge answering the question straightforwardly, since I don't consider that to be an essential definition of 'racist'. But hey, I'm not saying it's your job to convince me of what you do or don't believe.
|Do I have to agree with someone before I can cite his work?|
This is a disingenuous question. If you were to ask me if you should cite the physics research of a man who turned out to abuse his childen or beat his wife, I would say, well, yes, that background is very unfortunate, but not really relevant. His home life doesn't intersect with his work, or reflect on its veracity. However, that's different from citing work by a white 'separatist' explaining how America's crime problems are due to race. In a case like that we are quite justified in doubting such a person's veracity or objectivity, due to his background.
|But just to humor you - let's say I'm the most dreadful race-baiting and antisemitic cretin imaginable. |
Not what I said, besides I'm willing to concede you're not antisemitic.
|Does this change the fact that many of our immigrants want to strip us of our ability to criticise their culture? |
No, but that's a separate issue.
|Does bring the victims of terrorism back to life, or rebuild skyscrapers? |
Um, no, I never claimed it would do either of those things, but last I checked, you weren't proposing any way to accomplish those feats either. So that 'objection' seems remarkably irrelevant.
|I've shared my ideas on immigration policy - share yours. I promise to hold myself to a higher standard of criticism than you have....|
I wasn't talking about immigration policy, and the original posts of yours I cited weren't about immigration either. Again, this is a separate issue. But checking, I didn't see you offering a solution to Europe's immigration problems, either.
However, since you want me to comment on it, I do not believe that 'many of our immigrants want[ing] to strip us of our ability to criticise their culture' is a significant problem in America. (At least no more significant than any other American group wanting that.) As for Europe, where this IS far bigger problem than in America, I haven't a clue what ought to be done about that (I didn't say I did). The problems seem intractable to me, as tangled up as they are in religion and entrenched economic segregation. I do not believe that Europe should give an inch on freedom of speech, except that I think that incitements to violence are intolerable. But on the other hand, deliberately antogizing groups known to be hypersensitive about their religion is stupid. Obviously some kind of effort in economically integrating Europe's immigrants is essential to making them think they have some kind of stake in the well being of the country they live in. But I'm not even convinced that's possible.
"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus