Joined: Dec. 2006
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Ok then, 2 pints (make mine a Banks's ;))
Good choice. I like "Directors".
On a completely different topic. You seem to have had a few bad experiences with religion. Most of mine where good. However the story is different from my fathers perspective. He was told by Nuns that they had brought him the nails from Jesus' cross to see, touch and examine. My father claims that he told them that the nails where the wrong shape (cross-section) to be actual Roman nails (round instead of square IIRC). The religious authorities claimed that that information had come from Satan and my father was a sinner. Cool as fuck eh?....NO!
Courage (brewery not bravery) was always looked down on in my neck of the woods, but I've always enjoyed a Directors. Pity it takes their premium beer to actually make a decent beer. But maybe I'm just a snob.
Lets see what I can chuck at yer regarding a quick religous history of Spags:
Baptised CofE at age 5/6 (not done at birth).
Father was RC and "returned to the church" around age 8, became a fucking pious loon. Mass was now de-rigeur.
Age 10 move house, new school: RC.
Re-Baptised RC, 1st Confession, Communion and Confirmation in one year. Altar boy.
Age 11/16: RC Secondary school, altar boy still, on TV "Morning Worship" once -sad claim-2-fame :(
After leaving school got into occult for a while, tarot, ouija, magick (incl. Esoteric Spelling Style™).
"Conversion Experience" into JWs aged 21 (answered prayer - no honest, seriously... look its up to you if you don't believe it, I believed it so it was true for *me* OK!!), baptised by full immersion six months later.
Two years later, married in Kindgdom Hall. Alcohol free reception - not a doctrinal requirement, "conscience issue" - i.e. looked down on if you had alcohol, especially with "worldly" family attending).
Two years later cognitive dissonance leads to depression, leads to university find something to do with "underused potential") it works - leads to optional module on psychology, leads to mind-control undone, leads to ex-communication. Still believe in God, very fucking confused! Shunned by all JWs (incl. in-laws).
Studied bibble, researched JWs discovered how cults work. Deconverted my wife. Result!!! Converted to evangelical Christian, baptised-a-fucking-gain!!! New ministry in life: ex-JWs.
Helped alot out (those that were "ready") did leaflet drop or publication drops on people, photocopies of old watchtowers containing barmy, racist, stupid or even (wooooooo) spritistic.
Counseled, worked on a few conferences, visited churches as guest speaker. Started on BB on Delphi Forums (now defunkt). I remained a YEC (the JW variety manages to be a little more specific and a little more dodgy at the same time, allowing 7000 years for each of the genesis "Days" == 49,000 years: 6 creative days to Eve... then one 7000 years to: Armageddon!!! Erm... counting from the creation of Eve that is which was... erm some time after Adam... and is unspecified, but reckoning on 1975 for 7000 years to Adam (using JW's own patented Genealogicus Biblicus Maximus™ Version 23.2_beta1), so... from 1975 to 2007 = 32 years therefore Eve was at least 32 (and counting) when she got chucked out of Eden and God could get on with his nap).
One day some guy I'd become friends with on a forum passed a couple of links. One was this, the other was this.
I was no longer YEC.
I started to really learn to think.
Erm... I'm still working on that last bit :)
Quite a story - To quote Jery Garcia, "What a long, strange trip it's been". And I guess that's why the DI, IDers and YEC's dislike people that can think, read and do research for themselves.
Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10
Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08
UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11