stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,18:04    Might as well have an explicit post about booze.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,18:04    Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,18:13    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,16:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Red Hook's best brew IMO is their Copper Hook, formerly named Chinook. Normally I don't like sweet beers much, but that's a good seasonal brew. Apparently Red Hook has a brewery tour that costs a buck, and nets you 5 small beers. It's something that's kind of permanently been on my agenda to do, but I've never gotten around to. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,18:52    Sounds good. I'm currently drinking an Avery (Boulder, CO) IPA. Not too hoppy, lovely copper color, and a nice "nose". Whilst traveling in the American Southwest recently, we found a shop in Las Cruces NM that sold the Stone IPA. I had never had it, I had only had their Arrogant Bastard Ale once while visiting in SoCal. That was excellent, so I bought a six-pack of their IPA in Las Cruces. I wish I had tasted it there; I would have brought back a case or two... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,19:01    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Thick and Fruity.  Initials R.H.  Man, I have this feeling that there is a joke in there somewhere, but I just can't seem to place it.  ;) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.  But I do have a 2002 Familia Zuccardi Malbec that I am itching to pop the cork on. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,19:10    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,20:01) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.   Non Sequitur.

Robert O'Brien Posts: 348 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,19:31    Jack Daniels is nice on rare occasions. -------------- Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,19:37    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,19:01) Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Thick and Fruity.  Initials R.H.  Man, I have this feeling that there is a joke in there somewhere, but I just can't seem to place it.   I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.  But I do have a 2002 Familia Zuccardi Malbec that I am itching to pop the cork on. 3 FRUITS COMMONLY MISTAKED FOR VEGETABLES TOMATO CUCUMBER CARLSONJOK -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,20:55    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,19:10) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,20:01) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.   Non Sequitur. It's funny 'cuz it's true. -------------- Evolander in training

Rev. BigDumbChimp Posts: 185 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,21:04    Just had a bottle of Golden Monkey Tripel and now i've moved on to a Jack Daniels on the rocks.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,21:09    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,19:10) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,20:01) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.   Non Sequitur. Booze tastes better if its consumption is postponed until after some hard work.  As it is, I left the Malbec in the rack and I am drinking a Concha y Toro Cab/Merlot blend.  Not bad for a $6 table wine aged in stainless rather than oak.  The Reisling ice wine chilling in the fridge is going to be a nice nightcap. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,21:19    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 07 2007,18:52) Sounds good. I'm currently drinking an Avery (Boulder, CO) IPA. Not too hoppy, lovely copper color, and a nice "nose". How is this possible?  Did they not get the recipe from an Englishman? -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,21:30    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 07 2007,17:37) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,19:01) Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Thick and Fruity.  Initials R.H.  Man, I have this feeling that there is a joke in there somewhere, but I just can't seem to place it.  ;) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.  But I do have a 2002 Familia Zuccardi Malbec that I am itching to pop the cork on. 3 FRUITS COMMONLY MISTAKED FOR VEGETABLES TOMATO CUCUMBER CARLSONJOK :angry: Excuse me, but according to the United States Supreme Court, a tomato is a vegetable: Quote Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893)[1], was a case in which the United States Supreme Court addressed whether a tomato was classified as a fruit or a vegetable under the Tariff Act of March 3, 1883, which required a tax to be paid on imported vegetables, but not fruit. The case was filed as an action by John Nix, John W. Nix, George W. Nix, and Frank W. Nix against Edward L. Hedden, collector of the port of New York, to recover back duties paid under protest... the court unanimously ruled in favor of the defendant, that the Tariff Act used the ordinary meaning of the words "fruit" and "vegetable"—where a tomato is classified as a vegetable. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,21:40    As for the sweeter beers, I like them as well, though I can't just pound them down like some others either.  A list of some nice sweeter beers I like: Old Engine Oil (Harvestoun Brewery; Dollar, Scotland)  A fine example of a Scottish Ale: burnt caramel, fairly malty. Kelpie (New Alloa Brewery; Kelliebank, UK) While not strictly a sweet ale, this has a chocolate palate that is nice.  Sold in the US under the Froach Historic Ales label. Rochefort #10 (Rochefort Trappist Brewery, Belgium)  a stupendous beer, get some if you can.  You'll probably have to order directly from the brewery (and live in an alcohol in the mail friendly state), but your finer liquor stores may be able to get it in as well.  A very complex beer, very malty.  My favorite part is the port wine and dried fruit flavor.  My least favorite part?  The silly European 375 ml bottle--not even 3/4 of a pint! -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Rev. BigDumbChimp Posts: 185 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:06    While the Jack on the rocks are going down nicely, I'm thinking of checking out the new 2012 Olympic logo for a free seziure buzz

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:13    Well, I kid you not, I'm drinking a Hamms. $6 for a 12 pack. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:15    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,21:09) Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,19:10) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 07 2007,20:01) I'm not drinking anything right at the moment, as I have a lawn to mow.   Non Sequitur. Booze tastes better if its consumption is postponed until after some hard work.  As it is, I left the Malbec in the rack and I am drinking a Concha y Toro Cab/Merlot blend.  Not bad for a $6 table wine aged in stainless rather than oak.  The Reisling ice wine chilling in the fridge is going to be a nice nightcap. Did you see idiocracy? The doctor's diagnosis. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:19

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:20    I'm not going to spoil it, but for those who've seen Idiocracy, BWE's comment is pretty funny.

snoeman Posts: 109 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:21    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Didn't realize that Red Hook had made it out there to the East Coast.  The Red Hook brewery that argystokes mentioned is about 10 miles outside of Seattle.  It's sited near a slough that has a bike trail that's very popular on the weekends.  The bicyclists riding north toward the brewery ride in much straighter lines than those riding south away from it... :)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:21    Quote (BWE @ June 07 2007,23:13) Well, I kid you not, I'm drinking a Hamms. $6 for a 12 pack. At the local food lion you can get a 6 pack of Schlitz for $2.09.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,00:46    Quote (snoeman @ June 07 2007,20:21) Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Didn't realize that Red Hook had made it out there to the East Coast.  The Red Hook brewery that argystokes mentioned is about 10 miles outside of Seattle.  It's sited near a slough that has a bike trail that's very popular on the weekends.  The bicyclists riding north toward the brewery ride in much straighter lines than those riding south away from it... :) Red Hook was partially bought by Anheuser-Busch. That happened roundabouts the time I started drinking beer, so I'm not sure if the quality suffered (though I'm told it didn't). -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,03:41    Quote (BWE @ June 07 2007,22:15) Did you see idiocracy? The doctor's diagnosis. Yes, I did, but the movie didn't make much of an impression on me, so I am drawing a blank.  Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to spoil it for others. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,07:17    The best beer ever: :) -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

snoeman Posts: 109 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,07:59    Quote (argystokes @ June 08 2007,00:46) Quote (snoeman @ June 07 2007,20:21) Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,18:04) Issue Number 1: I'm currently drinking a Red Hook ESB ale. It's kind of thick and fruity. Discuss. Didn't realize that Red Hook had made it out there to the East Coast.  The Red Hook brewery that argystokes mentioned is about 10 miles outside of Seattle.  It's sited near a slough that has a bike trail that's very popular on the weekends.  The bicyclists riding north toward the brewery ride in much straighter lines than those riding south away from it... :) Red Hook was partially bought by Anheuser-Busch. That happened roundabouts the time I started drinking beer, so I'm not sure if the quality suffered (though I'm told it didn't). Having had Red Hook both pre- and post-acquisition by Anheuser Busch, I can report that quality did not suffer.  I just hadn't recalled seeing it in any stores off of the West Coast...

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,10:33    Leffe Blonde PBR I bet Kristinie likes Chimay. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,10:45    Quote (stevestory @ June 07 2007,22:21) Quote (BWE @ June 07 2007,23:13) Well, I kid you not, I'm drinking a Hamms. $6 for a 12 pack. At the local food lion you can get a 6 pack of Schlitz for $2.09. Ouch. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,10:58    Piss on all Big American Brewrys and their products, but I tried a Sam Adams Pale Ale last weekend - It sucked. I should stick with Guiness, but I know I will continue to sample micro-products, so thanks for the tips on sips. My best recommendation, a French wine, Louis Jadot Beaujolais that only costs @ $10 a bottle.  Mmmmm good. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

The Wayward Hammer Posts: 64 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,21:32    Sorry, but I hate Beaujolais with a passion.  Get a real red wine, dammit.  I take particular pleasure in decent cheap wine.  Zabaco Dancing Bull Zinfandel.  Hess Select Chardonay if you must have a white.  OK, actually I would go with the Chateau St. Michelle Riesling for a white. Pinot Noir has become so overpriced now.  I used to get Saintsbury Carneros for a decent price, but it went over $25 a bottle last I saw it and it's not worth that.  I think the Australian Shiraz's (Penfold's is actually good for being really cheap) have taken that spot now in my portfolio.  OTOH, I have bought the French Rabbit Pinot in the little one liter container and I was pleasantly surprised.  But it is just a simple drinkable wine. And I haven't had a bad Malbec yet.  Some can get a little chalky, but I don't mind that.   Give me a good Zin and a decent Chicago style Canadian bacon pizza and I am a happy man.  Damn, now I'm hungry and need a drink.

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,22:05    Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ June 08 2007,21:32) Sorry, but I hate Beaujolais with a passion.  Get a real red wine, dammit.  I take particular pleasure in decent cheap wine.  Zabaco Dancing Bull Zinfandel.  Hess Select Chardonay if you must have a white.  OK, actually I would go with the Chateau St. Michelle Riesling for a white. Pinot Noir has become so overpriced now.  I used to get Saintsbury Carneros for a decent price, but it went over $25 a bottle last I saw it and it's not worth that.  I think the Australian Shiraz's (Penfold's is actually good for being really cheap) have taken that spot now in my portfolio.  OTOH, I have bought the French Rabbit Pinot in the little one liter container and I was pleasantly surprised.  But it is just a simple drinkable wine. And I haven't had a bad Malbec yet.  Some can get a little chalky, but I don't mind that.   Give me a good Zin and a decent Chicago style Canadian bacon pizza and I am a happy man.  Damn, now I'm hungry and need a drink. Chateau D'Yquem. 'nuff said. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,22:43    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 08 2007,22:05) Chateau D'Yquem. 'nuff said. FIGURES YOU WOOD LIKE SOMETHING MADE BY CHEEZ-EATIN' SURRENDER MUNKY FURRNERS INSTEAD OF A GOOD BOX OF AMERICAN WINE.  USA! USA! CHATEAU D' HOMO, MORE LIKE IT. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,22:54    ANNONGRAM: AN R SOL JOCK. IT WERKS FONETICALLY. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2007,23:14    For a red wine, Diane and I were really taken with the Saintsbury Pinot Noir. Of course, context may have had something to do with that: the bottle had been provided by Ira Lee, the vintner who grew the grapes. We were visiting for the opportunity to take the hawks out in his vineyard. They flew around, chased a couple of jackrabbits, and that was about it for the hawks. I had to drive, so I only had a partial glass. Ira kept pressing Diane to have some more, so by the time we got on the road, she was quite tipsy. That was interesting, because she usually has little interest in alcoholic beverages, so I don't see her in that state much, or almost never. Another winery that we took the hawks to was Blackwood Canyon in Benton City, Washington, back in 1993. After Rusty chased around their pheasants a bit, the vintner there gave us an extended private wine-tasting session that included most of what they made at the time, whites and reds, and even a vinegar and something they called "double nickel", a liqueur-like thing that besides having high alcohol content was a 55 on some sugar scale, topping the concentration you find in honey. (Whee, a mere $150 per 375 ml bottle now... at that price, we probably accounted for $5 each worth of just that at our tasting session.) We ended up buying several bottles of a late harvest Riesling there, which made an excellent dessert wine. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,04:17    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 08 2007,22:05) Chateau D'Yquem. 'nuff said. So you drink D'Yquem on a regular basis? I'm definitely gonna come visit! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,07:50    Quote So you drink D'Yquem on a regular basis? I'm definitely gonna come visit! Step back bitch! I saw him first! But seriously: Chateau D'Yquem is good if you like dessert wines, sauternes, etc  but I have to say that, whilst I love them, they're hardly a session wine or a frequent drinker. That's not a criticism, more an observation. They are after all GORGEOUS. Now with wine, one can talk of the big reds, the clarets etc and they have their place (my favourite is Margaux, that region has some of the best terroir in France in my opinion. Ch. Palmer, Ch. Margaux. Love 'em! Ch. Margaux has been owned by the same [Greek origin!!] family for ~40 years and they IMO [and that of a few others] have produced the best red bordeaux in the Medoc for ages. Costs a bit though) one can talk of the New World (sorry boys, but I think you and the Antipodeans over oak the majority of your wines. Oaking disguises the results of poor terroir dontcherknow. That's not to say that the New World wines are all bad, far from it. But our British market is saturated with their cheap end oaked whites and shallow reds, it give is a bad impression) but you cannot beat a glass of Chateau de Chassellier eh Obediah? Sorry, mum and dad own a restaurant, I grew up with wine, and as wine appreciation has a strong chemistry element, I sort of am kind of erm interested in it.....{trails off as wine geekery is acknowledged} Louis -------------- Bye.

silverspoon Posts: 123 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,08:12    I still have a 38 year old bottle of Ripple wine vintage 1969. It still tastes like it did back them. Vomit! Budweiser and Jim Beam are a better fit for me these days. -------------- Grand Poobah of the nuclear mafia

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,08:51    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 09 2007,04:17) Quote (Richardthughes @ June 08 2007,22:05) Chateau D'Yquem. 'nuff said. So you drink D'Yquem on a regular basis? I'm definitely gonna come visit! All are welcome! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,08:55    [blushing] Um...Richard, you mailbox is full.  I guess I sent one too many pictures... [/blushing] -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,09:01    Quote (Ftk @ June 09 2007,08:55) [blushing] Um...Richard, you mailbox is full.  I guess I sent one too many pictures... [/blushing] I emptied it for you. That "nurse" one was excellent. Arden sends me pictures too... *shudders*   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,09:13    Quote (Louis @ June 09 2007,07:50) Now with wine, one can talk of the big reds, the clarets etc and they have their place (my favourite is Margaux, that region has some of the best terroir in France in my opinion. Ch. Palmer, Ch. Margaux. Love 'em! Back in the early 1990s, on the advice of a friend, I put away a few bottles of Margaux.  I finally opened a 1989 Prieure-Lichine last year and it was fabulous. I have a couple of 1988s that I am eyeing laviciously and a 2001 that I just stored away.  I've just gotten back into wine recently and wish I had a chance at a 2000, but they are likely out of the range of my wallet now. I can only imagine what a Grand Cru like Ch. Margaux must be like. There isn't much market for high-end stuff like that in Oklahoma, and what is here is usually from California. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,10:44    Quote (Louis @ June 09 2007,07:50) But seriously: Chateau D'Yquem is good if you like dessert wines, sauternes, etc  but I have to say that, whilst I love them, they're hardly a session wine or a frequent drinker. That's not a criticism, more an observation. They are after all GORGEOUS. Now with wine, one can talk of the big reds, the clarets etc and they have their place (my favourite is Margaux, that region has some of the best terroir in France in my opinion. Ch. Palmer, Ch. Margaux. Love 'em! Ch. Margaux has been owned by the same [Greek origin!!] family for ~40 years and they IMO [and that of a few others] have produced the best red bordeaux in the Medoc for ages. Costs a bit though) one can talk of the New World (sorry boys, but I think you and the Antipodeans over oak the majority of your wines. Oaking disguises the results of poor terroir dontcherknow. That's not to say that the New World wines are all bad, far from it. But our British market is saturated with their cheap end oaked whites and shallow reds, it give is a bad impression) but you cannot beat a glass of Chateau de Chassellier eh Obediah? Sorry, mum and dad own a restaurant, I grew up with wine, and as wine appreciation has a strong chemistry element, I sort of am kind of erm interested in it.....{trails off as wine geekery is acknowledged} Louis Well sure, but when the price in Kansas is $180 for a split of D'Yquem from a good (not great) vintage, I'll make an exception. Hell, I'll even cook a dessert. I like a nice vanilla flan with Sauternes, and I have an excellent (Cuban) recipe for flan. I agree with you about the Margaux, even if it was Richard Nixon's favorite wine. They are damn pricey over here though. While I was a post doc (late 1970's) I was fortunate enough to fall into a wine-tasting group in St. Louis, and one of the members was a very wealthy M.D. He treated us all to a vertical tasting of Ch. Margaux. My tasting notes indicate that we had the 1949, 1953, 1955, 1959 and 1961. The '49 and '53 were stunning, the '55 was not as good and was starting to fade, and the '59 and '61 were eminently drinkable, but probably would get even better with a few more years in bottle. I often wonder what that tasting cost him! Even so, I have to say that my favorite red of all time was a 1959 Richebourg, which I had in the mid 1980's sometime. I haven't been able to drink any domestic pinot noirs since... The St. Louis M.D.  would also regularly fly to London to pick up wines at auction from the estates of deceased (probably cirrhosis) Brits. The best thing that I can recall from one of those excursions was a port. Vintage 1899. Yeah, a port from the 19th century. It had faded to a tawny color, but it still tasted fine. But the-wine-tasting options here in Manhattan KS are not quite up to that caliber, alas. And neither is my budget.. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

snoeman Posts: 109 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,11:43    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 08 2007,23:14) For a red wine, Diane and I were really taken with the Saintsbury Pinot Noir. Of course, context may have had something to do with that: the bottle had been provided by Ira Lee, the vintner who grew the grapes. We were visiting for the opportunity to take the hawks out in his vineyard. They flew around, chased a couple of jackrabbits, and that was about it for the hawks. I had to drive, so I only had a partial glass. Ira kept pressing Diane to have some more, so by the time we got on the road, she was quite tipsy. That was interesting, because she usually has little interest in alcoholic beverages, so I don't see her in that state much, or almost never. Another winery that we took the hawks to was Blackwood Canyon in Benton City, Washington, back in 1993. After Rusty chased around their pheasants a bit, the vintner there gave us an extended private wine-tasting session that included most of what they made at the time, whites and reds, and even a vinegar and something they called "double nickel", a liqueur-like thing that besides having high alcohol content was a 55 on some sugar scale, topping the concentration you find in honey. (Whee, a mere $150 per 375 ml bottle now... at that price, we probably accounted for $5 each worth of just that at our tasting session.) We ended up buying several bottles of a late harvest Riesling there, which made an excellent dessert wine. My wife and I visited Blackwood Canyon back in 1994, and I have to say that it was the winery we liked least of the ones we visited that weekend.  Each of the wines we tasted seemed heavily oxidized or off in some way. On the other hand, one of the wineries in Central/Eastern Washington that we really liked to visit: Chinook Wines Two of our favorite Washington wineries overall: McCrea Cellars - Specializes in Rhone varietals. Andrew Will Winery - Good Merlot and Bordeaux blends

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,22:21    Everybody makes 'chicken caesar salads' now, but the real caesar salad comes with anchovies. I'd never had them before, but I loves me some caesar salad. Curious, I bought the one can of anchovies i could find at Harris Teeter, and chopped a few up and make a real caesar salad. Strange taste. ...different. kind of good, kind of bad. Strong as hell. Really stinky. But not necessarily bad stinky, more like Gorgonzola cheese stinky--it's very pungeant and you wouldn't want to wear that perfume to a first date, but the taste is not all that bad. Very strong and salty and I understand the popularity of the chicken substitution. The anchovies aren't a safe choice. But not bad. Give it a shot.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,22:27    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 09 2007,00:14) Ira kept pressing Diane to have some more, so by the time we got on the road, she was quite tipsy. That was interesting, because she usually has little interest in alcoholic beverages, so I don't see her in that state much, or almost never. Chef: You're gonna have to get them in the mood. Stan: How do we do that? Chef: Do what I do. Get 'em goooood and drunk.

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2007,22:58    Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:21) Everybody makes 'chicken caesar salads' now, but the real caesar salad comes with anchovies. I'd never had them before, but I loves me some caesar salad. Curious, I bought the one can of anchovies i could find at Harris Teeter, and chopped a few up and make a real caesar salad. Strange taste. ...different. kind of good, kind of bad. Strong as hell. Really stinky. But not necessarily bad stinky, more like Gorgonzola cheese stinky--it's very pungeant and you wouldn't want to wear that perfume to a first date, but the taste is not all that bad. Very strong and salty and I understand the popularity of the chicken substitution. The anchovies aren't a safe choice. But not bad. Give it a shot. They're in the dressing too, I think. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,01:13    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 09 2007,09:01) Quote (Ftk @ June 09 2007,08:55) [blushing] Um...Richard, you mailbox is full.  I guess I sent one too many pictures... [/blushing] I emptied it for you. That "nurse" one was excellent. All you got was 'nurse'? Shoot, dude, she sent me 'astronaut', 'pope' and 'ice cream lady'. Pppphhht. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,03:07    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,01:13) Quote (Richardthughes @ June 09 2007,09:01)   Quote (Ftk @ June 09 2007,08:55) [blushing] Um...Richard, you mailbox is full.  I guess I sent one too many pictures... [/blushing] I emptied it for you. That "nurse" one was excellent. All you got was 'nurse'? Shoot, dude, she sent me 'astronaut', 'pope' and 'ice cream lady'. Pppphhht. I just finished off a pitcher of margaritas (my date was a complete lightweight - oh wait she was driving). However, even full of margaritas, that image you just painted disturbed my fevered little brain. I implore you not to post the actual photos, or I may end up having to clean 3/4 of a pitcher of half digested margaritas from my keyboard and monitor. ever try cleaning a mess up like that? triple sec is damn sticky. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,10:11    Repent, repent. Stop drinking alcoholic bevereges now! You are putting the prices up and I am a miser.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,10:24    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 10 2007,10:11) Repent, repent. Stop drinking alcoholic bevereges now! You are putting the prices up and I am a miser. Dude, brew your own. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:00    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 10 2007,10:24) Dude, brew your own. :) I used to. I found beer much harder to make than wine. Managed to get my wine to 18/19% ABV though. Right now I don't have the space to brew. You stinkin CAPATLlist. Bye the way: The high ABV was done through re-use of wine yeast. Took a while but worked.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:10    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 10 2007,10:24) Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 10 2007,10:11) Repent, repent. Stop drinking alcoholic bevereges now! You are putting the prices up and I am a miser. Dude, brew your own. Lenny, you've told us how small your 'apartment' is, I can't believe that among your snakes and books that you have the room to brew beer. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,11:51    Carlsonjok and Albatrossity2, Quote Back in the early 1990s, on the advice of a friend, I put away a few bottles of Margaux.  I finally opened a 1989 Prieure-Lichine last year and it was fabulous. I have a couple of 1988s that I am eyeing laviciously and a 2001 that I just stored away. Quote My tasting notes indicate that we had the 1949, 1953, 1955, 1959 and 1961. The '49 and '53 were stunning, Of course you must now realise that I hate you both with envy inspired passion that borders on the holy!   Oh not really! Yup as indicated the problem with Margaux is they are not cheap and Ch Margaux are even more not cheap. I celebrated the sale of my first house, my wife's PhD and my PhD with Margaux...and later on champagne, but the Margaux was the real treat. The '49 Ch Margaux.....one can but dream! And the late 80's vintages are just coming in like you say Carlson, they are meant to be very very good. {looks in wallet} I may wait a while! Louis -------------- Bye.

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:06    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 09 2007,22:58) Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2007,22:21) Everybody makes 'chicken caesar salads' now, but the real caesar salad comes with anchovies. I'd never had them before, but I loves me some caesar salad. Curious, I bought the one can of anchovies i could find at Harris Teeter, and chopped a few up and make a real caesar salad. Strange taste. ...different. kind of good, kind of bad. Strong as hell. Really stinky. But not necessarily bad stinky, more like Gorgonzola cheese stinky--it's very pungeant and you wouldn't want to wear that perfume to a first date, but the taste is not all that bad. Very strong and salty and I understand the popularity of the chicken substitution. The anchovies aren't a safe choice. But not bad. Give it a shot. They're in the dressing too, I think. A traditional caesar salad does not contain anchovies.  Caesar salad is made with worcestershire sauce, which does have anchovies in it.  Over the years, many places have started to use an anchovie paste in the dressing, and occasionally you will see sliced anchovie on the salad.  These I hold in the same contempt as caesars with tomato or caesars that are not tossed until the dressing very lightly coats all the romaine without any pooling . -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:12    Quote (blipey @ June 10 2007,13:06) A traditional caesar salad does not contain anchovies.  Caesar salad is made with worcestershire sauce, which does have anchovies in it.  Over the years, many places have started to use an anchovie paste in the dressing, and occasionally you will see sliced anchovie on the salad.  These I hold in the same contempt as caesars with tomato or caesars that are not tossed until the dressing very lightly coats all the romaine without any pooling . That blipey what a jerk I'm going to ban him first let me make sure that he's wrong... (wikipedia) Quote Contrary to popular belief, the original Caesar salad recipe did not contain pieces of anchovy; the slight anchovy flavor comes from the Worcestershire sauce, which does contain anchovies. Cardini was opposed to using anchovies in his salad, but some modern recipes now include chopped anchovy fillets or anchovy paste. grumble grumble dammit...

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:35    BAN ME WILL YOU!  LET'S SEE HOW WELL YOU BAN WITH MY ANCHOVIE DOWN YOUR THROAT.  HOMO. I do love me some caesar salad.  It was actually a little side project of mine on my recent national tour.  I had an astounding number of caesar salads from coast to coast.  Some good, a very few stellar, and many sorry-ass ones. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:38    Caesar salad is great. It combines the right quantities of fat and sugar to make it yummy. And you can add bacon and chicken and all kins of good stuff to it.....oh pants, now I want a caesar salad. The male food groups: fried (fat), sweet (sugars, carbs etc), beer, burnt crispy bits, kebab, spicy. Louis -------------- Bye.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:42    Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,13:38) Caesar salad is great. It combines the right quantities of fat and sugar to make it yummy. And you can add bacon and chicken and all kins of good stuff to it.....oh pants, now I want a caesar salad. The male food groups: fried (fat), sweet (sugars, carbs etc), beer, burnt crispy bits, kebab, spicy. Louis I guess I'll hold off on my new signature "Blipey delenda est" a little while longer. I so like the food group 'burnt crispey bits'. For the first time in ages I have a day off tomorrow so I picked up a case of Sarnac on the way home. A sampler of 6 different summer beers.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:43    Quote (stevestory @ June 10 2007,12:12) Quote (blipey @ June 10 2007,13:06) A traditional caesar salad does not contain anchovies.  Caesar salad is made with worcestershire sauce, which does have anchovies in it.  Over the years, many places have started to use an anchovie paste in the dressing, and occasionally you will see sliced anchovie on the salad.  These I hold in the same contempt as caesars with tomato or caesars that are not tossed until the dressing very lightly coats all the romaine without any pooling . That blipey what a jerk I'm going to ban him first let me make sure that he's wrong... (wikipedia) Quote Contrary to popular belief, the original Caesar salad recipe did not contain pieces of anchovy; the slight anchovy flavor comes from the Worcestershire sauce, which does contain anchovies. Cardini was opposed to using anchovies in his salad, but some modern recipes now include chopped anchovy fillets or anchovy paste. grumble grumble dammit... Oh come on, Steve! If UD/DT has taught you anything, it's that being proven wrong is EXACTLY when you're supposed to ban someone! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:45

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:48    Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,12:38) Caesar salad is great. It combines the right quantities of fat and sugar to make it yummy. And you can add bacon and chicken and all kins of good stuff to it.....oh pants, now I want a caesar salad. The male food groups: fried (fat), sweet (sugars, carbs etc), beer, burnt crispy bits, kebab, spicy. Louis This reminds me of the old joke: Irish coffee is the perfect food, since it's the only food in the world that combines sugar, grease, alcohol, and caffeine. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:50    Damn. Now I want some Irish coffee.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:51    BAN BAN BAN BAN Wait who are we talking about? Blipey? NOOOO! Don't ban him, I want to see if DaveTard shoots him.... Erm.....what I mean is, Blipey I wish no harm to befall your fabulous self, but you are obviously such a threatening person that even the mere offer of a visit inspires mortal terror and threats of murder. Obviously if you come to my house for a visit I'll have to drive to the gun store (via the government somehow) magic up a gun licence and get a gun and drive very quickly back and shoot you. I may also need to buy some dogs. Sod it, way too much like hard work, how about if you come to the UK for a visit I'll buy you a beer? Steve gave good advice about getting people good and drunk upthread. It works equally well for terrifying American assassins like you as it does for dates one wishes to make easier. Apparently, I mean I don;t actually know.... Oh poo, this whole post is highly incriminating. Bugger. Louis -------------- Bye.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:55    Pan frying up some tilapia fillets ($3/lb at Harris Teeter) in a little olive oil after rubbing them in Szeged fish rub.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:55    I have checked my kitchen. I have worcestershire sauce, parmesan, eggs, hearts of romaine lettuce, limes, olive oil and all those ingredients for caesar salad plus chicken and bacon. I also have cream and coffee and Irish whiskey* and sugar. Hmmm what to do, what to do..... Louis * I also have Indian whiskey. Yes you read that correctly, Indian whiskey. One of my wife's uncles thinks I like it. The Indians are a wonderful group of people and India is a wonderful nation. Whiskey is not one of their specialities. It is singularly one of the most disgusting things I have ever tasted, but it does light a barbeque very nicely. Whiskey smoked barbeque! -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,12:59    Quote Blipey? NOOOO! Don't ban him, I want to see if DaveTard shoots him.... Me too. Blipey should tell us beforehand if he ever goes to Austin, so we can start up a betting pool. Warning shot, head shot, opens the door with the chain on but sticks the gun barrel through the door, verbal abuse but no gun, refuses to answer his doorbell, an amicable lunch at Looby's, the possibilities are endless. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,13:03    I'm going with: "Hides behind the couch pretending not to be in until he goes away" Louis -------------- Bye.

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,13:26    Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,13:03) I'm going with: "Hides behind the couch pretending not to be in until he goes away" Louis Damnit, I wanted that one.  If you let me go in with you, you can have 25% of my winnings as well. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,13:32    As for drinking a beer in the UK?  Why would any sane person turn that down?  If in the London(?) area, I will certainly give you a call.  I will also come alone, walking backward, with both hands visible at all times. An aside:  what the hell dumbass was responsible for every US corporate restaurant making an Irish Coffee with one of the following recipes: 1.  Jameson's, Bailey's, coffee, canned whip cream 2.  Jameson's, Bailey's, creme de menthe, coffee, canned whip cream, marachinno cherry. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,13:33    Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,12:55) * I also have Indian whiskey. Yes you read that correctly, Indian whiskey. One of my wife's uncles thinks I like it. The Indians are a wonderful group of people and India is a wonderful nation. Whiskey is not one of their specialities. It is singularly one of the most disgusting things I have ever tasted, but it does light a barbeque very nicely. Whiskey smoked barbeque! Have your in-laws ever plied you with this? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,18:08    Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,11:51) Carlsonjok and Albatrossity2, Quote Back in the early 1990s, on the advice of a friend, I put away a few bottles of Margaux.  I finally opened a 1989 Prieure-Lichine last year and it was fabulous. I have a couple of 1988s that I am eyeing laviciously and a 2001 that I just stored away. Quote My tasting notes indicate that we had the 1949, 1953, 1955, 1959 and 1961. The '49 and '53 were stunning, Of course you must now realise that I hate you both with envy inspired passion that borders on the holy!  :angry: Well, if it is any consolation, I lucked into them.  I had no idea what I was buying. I just did it, as I said, on advice.  FWIW, I also bought a 1987, which is considered a pretty poor vintage.  I only wish I had been into wine when the 2000 were released.  Those are supposed to be classics. Also FWIW, I was green with envy at the vertical tasting Albatrossity did.  I am probably not enough of an oneophile to truly appreciate such an opportunity, but I sure wouldn't turn it down either.  I really need some rich friends like that.  Unfortunately, most of our friends are broke-ass horse people who like wine from a box and think Michelob is a high-end beer. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,18:29    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 10 2007,18:08) Also FWIW, I was green with envy at the vertical tasting Albatrossity did.  I am probably not enough of an oneophile to truly appreciate such an opportunity, but I sure wouldn't turn it down either.  I really need some rich friends like that.  Unfortunately, most of our friends are broke-ass horse people who like wine from a box and think Michelob is a high-end beer. Well, all I have from that tasting is memories, a slightly hardened liver, and the realization that it costs a lot more to drink great wines than I have in my savings account... Right now, however, I am drinking a quite quaffable Chardonnay (Cambria 2004, Katherine's Vineyard, Santa Maria Valley) and preparing to grill some chicken. Things could definitely be worse than that! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,18:34    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 10 2007,10:11) Repent, repent. Stop drinking alcoholic bevereges now! You are putting the prices up and I am a miser. no shit! that pitcher cost me 22.00! -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,18:41    Quote Well, all I have from that tasting is memories, a slightly hardened liver, and the realization that it costs a lot more to drink great wines than I have in my savings account... we all drinks da 2 buck chuck round these here parts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Shaw_wine ahh, good ol trader joes. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,19:33    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 10 2007,18:29) Well, all I have from that tasting is memories, a slightly hardened liver, and the realization that it costs a lot more to drink great wines than I have in my savings account... Tell me about it.  I rarely pay more than $30 for a bottle and only rarely, at that. Quote Right now, however, I am drinking a quite quaffable Chardonnay (Cambria 2004, Katherine's Vineyard, Santa Maria Valley) and preparing to grill some chicken. Things could definitely be worse than that! Never been a big Chardonnay fan.  I don't like what oak aging does to a white. If that makes me a pirahna in wine circles, so be it. I tend more to Rieslings, Gewurtztraminers, and Liebfraumilchs.  FWIW, Wine Spectator raved about the 2005 German Rieslings.  They are reasonably priced, too. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2007,20:05    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 10 2007,19:33) Never been a big Chardonnay fan.  I don't like what oak aging does to a white. If that makes me a pirahna in wine circles, so be it. I tend more to Rieslings, Gewurtztraminers, and Liebfraumilchs.  FWIW, Wine Spectator raved about the 2005 German Rieslings.  They are reasonably priced, too. I certainly agree, and I avoid over-oaked chardonnays for that reason. This one (Cambria) is not overly oaked. And there are several others that you might try. The Saintsbury (only the Carneros Creek vineyard bottling) is a good example; not a lot of oak, but a hell of a lot of fruit in that one. And there are others; unfortunately the Chardonnay, a good dinner, and a weekend lethargy make it difficult for me to recall them at this very moment  :) Stay away from the Toasted Head vintages, for sure! Those barrels with toasted heads are gonna give you a fair amount of oak, and if you dislike oakiness, you will find them appalling... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,06:32    Quote (blipey @ June 10 2007,20:26) Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,13:03) I'm going with: "Hides behind the couch pretending not to be in until he goes away" Louis Damnit, I wanted that one.  If you let me go in with you, you can have 25% of my winnings as well. 25%??? Are you trying to rip me off? I want 10% and not a penny more! Louis P.S. D'Oh! -------------- Bye.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,06:33    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,20:33) Quote (Louis @ June 10 2007,12:55) * I also have Indian whiskey. Yes you read that correctly, Indian whiskey. One of my wife's uncles thinks I like it. The Indians are a wonderful group of people and India is a wonderful nation. Whiskey is not one of their specialities. It is singularly one of the most disgusting things I have ever tasted, but it does light a barbeque very nicely. Whiskey smoked barbeque! Have your in-laws ever plied you with this? Not that (They're northern Indians), but sugar cane derived alcohol certainly. And a little drink from Rajastan with opium in it..... different story for a different day. Louis -------------- Bye.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,07:15    There being no other relevant place to post this note, I'll drop it off here. Tomorrow (Tu June 12) Elizabeth and I are heading to Spartansburg SC for a few days. She is attending and presenting a paper at the ASLE (Assocation for the Study of Literature and the Environment) conference, and I am tagging along to take some hikes, see some birds, and soak in some talks on literature and the environment. My brother and sister-in-law, who live in Carrboro NC, are coming down for a day, so we will be able to get together with them. But if any AtBCers are in the area, or are planning to attend this meeting, drop me a note and perhaps we can get together for a beer. Sorry, I won't be able to pay for a bottle of D'Yquem... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,07:20    When you come up to visit them here in Carrboro, let me know.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,09:23    Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2007,07:20) When you come up to visit them here in Carrboro, let me know. Will do; we get back there every couple of years or so. I'm sure you can suggest some good places for libations there! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,09:28    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 11 2007,10:23) Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2007,07:20) When you come up to visit them here in Carrboro, let me know. Will do; we get back there every couple of years or so. I'm sure you can suggest some good places for libations there! We'll go to Hell. (Don't look shocked, creationists)

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2007,09:48    Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2007,09:28)   Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 11 2007,10:23)   Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2007,07:20) When you come up to visit them here in Carrboro, let me know. Will do; we get back there every couple of years or so. I'm sure you can suggest some good places for libations there! We'll go to Hell. (Don't look shocked, creationists) I dunno about that He11 place. Not only is it blasphemous, it seems possible that it is run by atheistic communists. Note this cocktail description from their website   Quote BAY OF PIGS: Stoli & Bacardi. Viva la revolucion! Pinkos! Egad! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:27    my jerk chicken requires chopping into fine bits several ingredients you don't want to contact much. Onions, garlic, and most of all, extremely hot peppers. I don't have a food processor. I'd like one, but I'd rather not either spend $200 for a good one or $20 for a crappy one which'll break in 3 mos. What I do have is a blender. Never used it as a food processor. But, looking at it, I see it has rapidly whirring blades. Think it'll work?

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:31    depends on the blender, and how fine you want your ingredient "pieces" to be. hey, if you're having problems with getting caustic plant chemicals on your hands, you can always by a box of disposable latex gloves. cheap and effective. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:42    I might put an ad on Craigslist for a good used food processor.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:44    gloves are fine. Did I mention I'm extremely lazy? I just want to put everything in a device and mash a button.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:51    Optimally I would just get it at some restaurant. Problem is, most jerk chicken you get is just a dry rub. The type I'm hooked on is a very wet saucy type over rice, kind of like the consistency of curry chicken from an indian place. It's the kind I used to get at Alfie's in Raleigh, which has unfortunately closed down. I can't find it that style anywhere around here, so I'm stuck making it myself.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:52    Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2007,15:44) gloves are fine. Did I mention I'm extremely lazy? I just want to put everything in a device and mash a button. yup, food processor for you then. get ye hence to ebay. do remember you have to keep them clean, though. there is at least that much effort involved. oh, and you sometimes will need to change blades for best effect. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,15:56    Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2007,15:51) Optimally I would just get it at some restaurant. Problem is, most jerk chicken you get is just a dry rub. The type I'm hooked on is a very wet saucy type over rice, kind of like the consistency of curry chicken from an indian place. It's the kind I used to get at Alfie's in Raleigh, which has unfortunately closed down. I can't find it that style anywhere around here, so I'm stuck making it myself. reminds me quite a lot of my year long efforts to create a decent Thai curry paste from scratch. finally gave up in favor of buying curry paste from a Thai deli, and then just adding ingredients from that base. did you know there are over 17 different kinds of curry paste available at a decent Thai deli? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:09    well, I just tested it, and I don't need a food processor. The onion, garlic, and habanero were obliterated in a matter of seconds. Perfect.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:13    I'm gettin hungry! -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:18    the ingredients were so obliterated, I think I'll go ahead and put the chicken in the blender with the other ingredients. Why spend time chopping it into 50 pieces when I could blend it into 5,000?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:19    Quote did you know there are over 17 different kinds of curry paste available at a decent Thai deli? My favorite Indian spice store in Berkeley has dozens of different kinds of curry pastes. Patak's are really good to start, but they have dozens of other weird imported brands as well. They also have a growing selection of Sri Lankan spices, which are surprisingly different from Indian ones. Just yesterday I bought a bottle of Larich's 'Red Hot Curry Paste' from Sri Lanka, just because it looked intriguing. I'm thinking of taking that one out for a spin with some chicken thighs this weekend. I hope it's better than this jar of Sri Lankan biryani paste I bought a couple years ago -- salty to the point of inedibility. Ouch. I also bought some of the spices necesssary for a home-made phaal, having been inspired by Louis. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:20    Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2007,16:18) the ingredients were so obliterated, I think I'll go ahead and put the chicken in the blender with the other ingredients. Why spend time chopping it into 50 pieces when I could blend it into 5,000? Then you can just drink the whole thing like a milk shake.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:22    that's the consistency it'll be. But then I have to cook it for 30 mins or so.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:32    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 13 2007,16:19) Quote did you know there are over 17 different kinds of curry paste available at a decent Thai deli? My favorite Indian spice store in Berkeley has dozens of different kinds of curry pastes. Patak's are really good to start, but they have dozens of other weird imported brands as well. They also have a growing selection of Sri Lankan spices, which are surprisingly different from Indian ones. Just yesterday I bought a bottle of Larich's 'Red Hot Curry Paste' from Sri Lanka, just because it looked intriguing. I'm thinking of taking that one out for a spin with some chicken thighs this weekend. I hope it's better than this jar of Sri Lankan biryani paste I bought a couple years ago -- salty to the point of inedibility. Ouch. I also bought some of the spices necesssary for a home-made phaal, having been inspired by Louis. heh. funny you should mention Berkeley, as the Thai deli on University Ave. is where I used to buy my Thai curry paste. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:51    Quote funny you should mention Berkeley, as the Thai deli on University Ave. is where I used to buy my Thai curry paste. This place is on University, too, next to San Pablo. Whatever else you think about Berkeley, it's a foodie's paradise. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:53    no argument there. best delis AND bookstores of any place I have ever lived. speaking of which... Is Moe's books still around? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,16:58    You kidding?  I was in the Bay Area for 2 weeks and I never looked you up!  Jeebus, I'm a moron. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:05    I know we had a "where are you" thread a while back. might be a good thing to resurrect and sticky that sucker, so those on travels might get an idea of who might be hanging at their destinations. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:06    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 13 2007,16:53) no argument there. best delis AND bookstores of any place I have ever lived. speaking of which... Is Moe's books still around? Yes, but Cody's folded. The Telegraph district is looking a bit raggedy-ass these days. More than usual. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:07    Quote (blipey @ June 13 2007,16:58) You kidding?  I was in the Bay Area for 2 weeks and I never looked you up!  Jeebus, I'm a moron. Hey, and I wouldn't have even pointed a gun at you! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:07    Quote The Telegraph district is looking a bit raggedy-ass these days. More than usual. inevitable. it was being torn apart by the introduction of chain stores starting in the mid 80's, and it was just getting worse by the time I left in the early 90's. *sigh* -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:11    I've been thinking about a last trip to berkeley to see how the new life-sciences building and library worked out; see what remains of the people I studied with while I was there. I think Doug Long still hangs around the paleo dept., and I'm reasonably sure Roy Caldwell is still there in the "integrative biology" dept. need more reliable transportation than i have at the moment though. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,04:36    Quote I also bought some of the spices necesssary for a home-made phaal, having been inspired by Louis. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO MEDDLE IN THESE MATTERS!!!!! You know the saying: Don't let the bottom fall out of your world. Have a phall and let the world fall out of your bottom. Louis P.S. If you absolutely, positively have to do this to your insides I have two recommendations: 1) buy/make some lassi and get hold of at least 2 litres of cheap lager, preferably Indian lager. These are the only things to quench the fires  successfully. 2) Put a roll of toilet paper in the fridge at least 3 hours before eating. I am not joking. Preferably use one of those aloe vera infused luxury ones that will leave cooling balm on your brown eye. I really am serious about this. A properly made phall is part of India's revenge on Britain and as such is classified under the Geneva convention as a chemical weapon. If, when said curry has passed through to the latter stages of your digestive tract, you are not found crying like a 5 year old girl with a skinned knee and holding onto the toilet with molten lava shooting out of your arse, then you will have earned my eternal digestive respect! Good luck soldier. Stiff upper (?) lip! -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,09:25    Quote (Louis @ June 14 2007,04:36)   Quote I also bought some of the spices necesssary for a home-made phaal, having been inspired by Louis. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO MEDDLE IN THESE MATTERS!!!!! You know the saying: Don't let the bottom fall out of your world. Have a phall and let the world fall out of your bottom. Louis P.S. If you absolutely, positively have to do this to your insides I have two recommendations: 1) buy/make some lassi and get hold of at least 2 litres of cheap lager, preferably Indian lager. These are the only things to quench the fires  successfully. 2) Put a roll of toilet paper in the fridge at least 3 hours before eating. I am not joking. Preferably use one of those aloe vera infused luxury ones that will leave cooling balm on your brown eye. "I walked in to a burnin' ring of fire..." (Wow, two Johnny Cash references on ATBC in one day! What are the odds?)   Quote I really am serious about this. A properly made phall is part of India's revenge on Britain and as such is classified under the Geneva convention as a chemical weapon. If, when said curry has passed through to the latter stages of your digestive tract, you are not found crying like a 5 year old girl with a skinned knee and holding onto the toilet with molten lava shooting out of your arse, then you will have earned my eternal digestive respect! Good luck soldier. Stiff upper (?) lip! Now, you see, Louis, talk like this just makes me want to do it all the more! (You can expect to hear from my lawyers in the morning.) -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:36    tonight's libations: Twisted Tea and Corona.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:50    Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2007,15:51) Optimally I would just get it at some restaurant. Problem is, most jerk chicken you get is just a dry rub. The type I'm hooked on is a very wet saucy type over rice, kind of like the consistency of curry chicken from an indian place. It's the kind I used to get at Alfie's in Raleigh, which has unfortunately closed down. I can't find it that style anywhere around here, so I'm stuck making it myself. So how did your jerk chicken come out? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:59    I wound up putting the chicken in the blender too. so the recipe was something like 1 cup chicken broth 1 cup tomato paste 1/4 tsp of cloves, cinammon, nutmeg, and ginger 1 tsp allspice 1 scotch bonnet pepper 1 habanero pepper 1 tsp ground pepper 1 clove garlic 1 tbsp oil 1 red onion damn near liquified in the blender 1 chicken breast, ditto simmer for about an hour on the stove, serve over rice. it was soooo good. Not quite hot enough. liquifying the chicken made the whole dish a real smooth sauce. It was actually really tasty. Simmering the sauce for an hour, with a whole, liquified onion in there and a clove of garlic, and no top on so it would reduce to a nice thick sauce, kind of pissed my roommate off, and she aired out the apartment today.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:07    Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2007,18:59) I wound up putting the chicken in the blender too. so the recipe was something like 1 cup chicken broth 1 cup tomato paste 1/4 tsp of cloves, cinammon, nutmeg, and ginger 1 tsp allspice 1 scotch bonnet pepper 1 habanero pepper 1 tsp ground pepper 1 clove garlic 1 tbsp oil 1 red onion damn near liquified in the blender 1 chicken breast, ditto simmer for about an hour on the stove, serve over rice. it was soooo good. Not quite hot enough. liquifying the chicken made the whole dish a real smooth sauce. It was actually really tasty. Simmering the sauce for an hour, with a whole, liquified onion in there and a clove of garlic, and no top on so it would reduce to a nice thick sauce, kind of pissed my roommate off, and she aired out the apartment today. Sounds yummy, I may well try that recipe! (Tho I'd probably triple the garlic, use a yellow onion instead, and I dunno about liquifying the chicken like you did.) You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? (And one habanero and one scotch bonnet and it wasn't hot enough??? How'd that happen?) -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:23    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,20:07) (And one habanero and one scotch bonnet and it wasn't hot enough??? How'd that happen?) You know this stuff? I can drink that straight up. The two peppers distributed over a total of about 3 cups of sauce wasn't hot enough. It's hot enough when my scalp starts sweating. Quote (Tho I'd probably triple the garlic, use a yellow onion instead, and I dunno about liquifying the chicken like you did.) You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? Yeah, more garlic is always good. And don't liquify the chicken. The smoothness was nice, but you want some texture. don't liquify the onion either, same reason. There's a little bit of a difference between the habanero and the scotch bonnet. Not much. Really the only two essential ingredients to jerk is allspice and any retarded-hot pepper. Edited by stevestory on June 14 2007,20:25

snoeman Posts: 109 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:46    Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2007,19:23) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,20:07) (And one habanero and one scotch bonnet and it wasn't hot enough??? How'd that happen?) You know this stuff? I can drink that straight up. The two peppers distributed over a total of about 3 cups of sauce wasn't hot enough. It's hot enough when my scalp starts sweating.   Quote (Tho I'd probably triple the garlic, use a yellow onion instead, and I dunno about liquifying the chicken like you did.) You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? Yeah, more garlic is always good. And don't liquify the chicken. The smoothness was nice, but you want some texture. don't liquify the onion either, same reason. There's a little bit of a difference between the habanero and the scotch bonnet. Not much. Really the only two essential ingredients to jerk is allspice and any retarded-hot pepper. The liquefaction of your onions is why you might reconsider investing in a food processor.  They tend to be better for keeping stuff chunky.  Blenders are much better for creating smoother sauces, soups, etc.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:47    that is for sure

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,19:51    Quote Edited by stevestory on June 14 2007,20:25 I don't like this "Edited..." business. I should be allowed to make sneaky changes later on to thwart my enemies. It's almost as if the site admins here decided that with power should come...should come...some kind of like obligation to do the right thing, if there's a word for that. Edited by stevestory on June 14 2007,20:52

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:21    Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2007,19:23)   Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 14 2007,20:07) (And one habanero and one scotch bonnet and it wasn't hot enough??? How'd that happen?) You know this stuff? I can drink that straight up. The two peppers distributed over a total of about 3 cups of sauce wasn't hot enough. It's hot enough when my scalp starts sweating.     Quote (Tho I'd probably triple the garlic, use a yellow onion instead, and I dunno about liquifying the chicken like you did.) You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? Yeah, more garlic is always good. And don't liquify the chicken. The smoothness was nice, but you want some texture. don't liquify the onion either, same reason. There's a little bit of a difference between the habanero and the scotch bonnet. Not much. Really the only two essential ingredients to jerk is allspice and any retarded-hot pepper. Is that supposed to be regular Tabasco sauce or their habanero sauce? Regular Tabasco is warm but not all that hot. Well, clearly, you're going to have to keep upping the dosage with the habaneros. Try four next time.   My philosophy with garlic is that it's almost impossible to put in too much garlic. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:08    Quote You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? There is, technically, a difference.  There are insane people out there who think that habaneros aren't hot enough.  Actually, depending on flavor of dish I might be one of those people. Anywho, scotch bonnets are the result of habaneros that have  been specially engineered to be hotter.  I believe they are about the 3rd hottest pepper around now.  The habanero species is not as hot a the bird pepper species: pequin, etc. There are several varieties of habanero and bird peppers. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:43    Quote There are insane people out there who think that habaneros aren't hot enough Guatemalan Insanity Peppers, baby! -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:44    Quote (blipey @ June 14 2007,23:08)   Quote You actually ascertained that there's a difference between scotch bonnets and habaneros? There is, technically, a difference.  There are insane people out there who think that habaneros aren't hot enough.  Actually, depending on flavor of dish I might be one of those people. Anywho, scotch bonnets are the result of habaneros that have  been specially engineered to be hotter.  I believe they are about the 3rd hottest pepper around now.  The habanero species is not as hot a the bird pepper species: pequin, etc. There are several varieties of habanero and bird peppers. This little rascal is sposta be the hottest pepper in the world. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus