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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2009,14:43   

By popular demand, here's a place to post talks and other activities of interest to the group.

If you are in the Boston area you can come hear Neil Shubin, author of  "Your Inner Fish", at the Harvard Museum of Natural History this Thursday, April 16, at 6:00 PM.  The Museum is opening a new permanent exhibition entitled "EVOLUTION".  Dr. Shubin will talk about our evolutionary baggage.  My wife and I are planning to be there.

They have great talks like this all the time.  In the past I've gone to hear E.O. Wilson, Sean Carroll, Andy Knoll, and others.  They sometimes have a wine and cheese party in the Museum afterward, although I don't know if this event will.

Come one, come all!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2009,14:57   

Well, Manhattan KS ("The Little Apple") is not Boston, but we do have another speaker of interest to announce. The KSU Phi Beta Kappa chapter (with co-sponsorship from the KSU Honors Program and the KSU Division of Biology) will host Dr. Robert J. Richards, Professor and Morris Fishbein Chair in the History of Science and Medicine at the University of Chicago. He will present a public lecture on Tuesday, April 14 at 8 PM in Kedzie 106 on the KSU campus. The title of the talk is "Darwin's Biology of Intelligent Design". His summary of the talk:
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Those advocating Intelligent Design contend that they have no characterization of the designer, except by reason of the design of organisms wrought.  But without any way of characterizing the cause of design, the response of I. D. advocates is comparable to Molière’s doctor who explained sleep as being induced by a soporific virtue.  Darwin, though, does have a characterization of the designer—it’s natural selection.  Yet, Darwin does have this in common with I.D. advocates, he thinks of the cause as evincing intelligence.  Darwin modeled natural selection, not on a machine, but on an intelligent, moral force.  So the designs of natural selection do have a cause comparable to that argued for by Intelligent Designers.  Darwin’s intelligent force, though, also has the trait of moral concern:  it acts altruistically and fashions the history of organic development so as to lead to human beings.  This is not your biology professor’s natural selection.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 10 2009,17:28   

This is 20 days hence, but those in the San Francisco Bay Area may be interested in hearing Richard Lenski at the Cal campus at 4:00 pm on April 30.
This is the guy who has been raising separate populations of e coli for 20 years.
It's a departmental talk - i.e not geared for general audiences - but that doesn't mean interested community members could not attend. I'm thinking that Andrew Schlafly will not come up, yet it should be entertaining nonetheless.

Linky

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2009,11:11   

Well, this should be interesting. I just saw a flyer for a talk at my institution on Friday by a speaker who will assert that 30% - 70% of the earth's observed temperature increase since 1900 can be attributed to the sun. I work at a place that has myriad scientists working to document, understand, and hopefully ameliorate human-caused climate change, so I am very intrigued to go to this talk and hear the Q & A. It's a bad day for me to take an hour off, but I can not resist. If it's interesting, I'll report back here.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2009,12:37   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 10 2009,12:57)
Well, Manhattan KS ("The Little Apple") is not Boston, but we do have another speaker of interest to announce. The KSU Phi Beta Kappa chapter (with co-sponsorship from the KSU Honors Program and the KSU Division of Biology) will host Dr. Robert J. Richards, Professor and Morris Fishbein Chair in the History of Science and Medicine at the University of Chicago. He will present a public lecture on Tuesday, April 14 at 8 PM in Kedzie 106 on the KSU campus. The title of the talk is "Darwin's Biology of Intelligent Design". His summary of the talk:
 
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Those advocating Intelligent Design contend that they have no characterization of the designer, except by reason of the design of organisms wrought.  But without any way of characterizing the cause of design, the response of I. D. advocates is comparable to Molière’s doctor who explained sleep as being induced by a soporific virtue.  Darwin, though, does have a characterization of the designer—it’s natural selection.  Yet, Darwin does have this in common with I.D. advocates, he thinks of the cause as evincing intelligence.  Darwin modeled natural selection, not on a machine, but on an intelligent, moral force.  So the designs of natural selection do have a cause comparable to that argued for by Intelligent Designers.  Darwin’s intelligent force, though, also has the trait of moral concern:  it acts altruistically and fashions the history of organic development so as to lead to human beings.  This is not your biology professor’s natural selection.

How did the history talk turn out?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2009,14:26   

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Dear Cafe Crew,

I wanted to remind you of the APRIL  International Year of Astronomy/ Strange Telescope Cafe Scientifique

"Looking for Dark Matter through the Bottom of a Wine Glass"
Presenter:  Evalyn Gates
Time & Date:  7-9 PM
WEDNESDAY   April 22, 2009
FREE
(Limited to first 50 Attendees)
Location: Hopleaf  5148 N. Clark  (UPSTAIRS Room)
(http://www.hopleaf.com/)


Bonus - the Hopleaf is a bar famous for girls who like girls. If you need to be distracted from the science, that is. Beer is also full of Belgian goodness.

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2009,14:05   

Quote (bfish @ April 22 2009,09:11)
Well, this should be interesting. I just saw a flyer for a talk at my institution on Friday by a speaker who will assert that 30% - 70% of the earth's observed temperature increase since 1900 can be attributed to the sun. I work at a place that has myriad scientists working to document, understand, and hopefully ameliorate human-caused climate change, so I am very intrigued to go to this talk and hear the Q & A. It's a bad day for me to take an hour off, but I can not resist. If it's interesting, I'll report back here.

Tried to go to this today, and found an empty lecture hall. I went back to the flier and saw a big, red, "canceled" stenciled across it.

This is the guy who had been scheduled to speak:
http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_61/iss_3/50_1.shtml
http://ptonline.aip.org/journal....1.shtml

Apologies if those links require subscriptions. I can't tell from here. They are the "Physics Today" website:

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2009,14:09   

Quote (bfish @ April 10 2009,15:28)
This is 20 days hence, but those in the San Francisco Bay Area may be interested in hearing Richard Lenski at the Cal campus at 4:00 pm on April 30.
This is the guy who has been raising separate populations of e coli for 20 years.
It's a departmental talk - i.e not geared for general audiences - but that doesn't mean interested community members could not attend. I'm thinking that Andrew Schlafly will not come up, yet it should be entertaining nonetheless.

Linky

This was a terrific talk yesterday. A full house, about 200 people. Standing room only in the back. Lenski is not only an excellent scientist, he is also very skilled at presenting his science. The two skills don't always go together. He said that his training was in ecology and evolutionary biology, and that he had gotten into the microbiology game because he was looking for a system he could really control.
I caught up to him in the buffet line afterwards and complemented him on the talk and at how he handled himself during the conservapedia kerfluffle. He said that he looked on that as a teaching opportunity.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2009,14:44   

This might be of interest to some.  Since it will be simulcast on-line, no need to even be in the Boston area.
From Glenn Branch of NCSE:

Dear Boston-area friends of NCSE,

I thought that you might like to know that Everett Mendelsohn will be
speaking on "The World Before Darwin" at 8:00 p.m. on September 16, at
Harvard Science Center Lecture Hall D on the Harvard campus in
Cambridge.

His talk will be the inaugural lecture of the 150th anniversary
"Origin of Species" lecture series hosted by The Reading Odyssey and
the Darwin Facebook project; it is cosponsored by the Harvard Museum
of Comparative Zoology.

Admission is free but advance registration is required. Additionally,
the lecture will also be simulcast on-line. For further details and
registration and simulcast information, visit:
http://darwinlecture1.eventbrite.com/

--
Sincerely,

Glenn Branch
Deputy Director
National Center for Science Education, Inc.
420 40th Street, Suite 2
Oakland, CA 94609-2509
510-601-7203 x310
fax: 510-601-7204
800-290-6006
branch@ncseweb.org
http://ncseweb.org

Eugenie C. Scott's Evolution vs. Creationism -- now in its second edition!
http://ncseweb.org/evc

Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design Is Wrong for Our Schools
http://ncseweb.org/nioc

NCSE's work is supported by its members. Join today!
http://ncseweb.org/membership

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,14:47   

11th of November,
Corcoran State Prison Correctional Training Facility
Tarden Chatterbox: "Things I couldn't fit up my bottom"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2009,15:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2009,12:47)
11th of November,
Corcoran State Prison Correctional Training Facility
Tarden Chatterbox: "Things I couldn't fit up my bottom"

That's going to be a short lecture.

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2010,18:15   

Anyone going to see PZ Myers tomorrow in Berkeley? I will try to be there.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2010,18:39   

Prof. Paul Cottle to speak at the Florida Citizens for Science meeting this Saturday, January 23rd, 2010, at 1:30 PM, on the U. of South Florida campus in Tampa.

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Physics professor Dr. Paul Cottle will be our guest speaker. He is an outspoken proponent of sound science education in Florida and writes for his own blog Bridge to Tomorrow. The subject for his talk will be “A Legislative Program for Science Education in Florida.” This event is free and should be well worth your time in light of all the dismal news about science education in our state and the financial hardships still to come for education overall.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2010,10:05   



PZ Myers at NUI Galway! Just got my ticket.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2010,10:19   

Quote (JLT @ Jan. 22 2010,10:05)


PZ Myers at NUI Galway! Just got my ticket.

We expect full report - with pictures!  Clothing optional.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2010,11:29   

Doesn't suit the Amadanian timetable to see PZ i nGaillimhe. But at lease the RIA are doing something I might attend:


Is thinking really good for us? Celebrating Thinking panel discussion

2nd March, 6pm.
Venue: Academy House

Does a lively public culture of thinking make for a better society? Why we do celebrate our writers, artists, musicians, sporting personalities but not the achievements of our thinkers? Is critical thinking the great casualty of our educational system? Do we need more thinkers in public life? Is the unexamined life really that bad?

Panellists:
Kevin Mitchell, TCD
Maeve Cooke, UCD
Mary Corcoran, NUI Maynooth
Myles Dungan, Broadcaster and historian
Chair: Michael Cronin, DCU

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2010,11:45   

Amadan - To answer your questions briefly - YES!

We need more thinkin', less knee-jerkin' designin'.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2010,13:07   

Quote (Amadan @ Jan. 22 2010,09:29)
Why we do celebrate our writers, artists, musicians, sporting personalities but not the achievements of our thinkers?

As a writer and musician, I represent that remark!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2010,02:03   

Paul Cottle had an excellent, though depressing, presentation today at the Florida Citizens for Science meeting. (Numbers below from memory... they may wobble.) He noted that Florida is assessed as currently coming in either next to last or last nationwide in K-12 public school science education, nudging out such states as Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi for the dishonor. The state is looking at nearly a three billion dollar shortfall in budget in a couple of years. Fewer students are choosing Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) careers (29% of the upper quintile in STEM in the 1990s, contrasted to 14% today). Science scores in the ACT test show only 2% of 8th graders got the highest score (5 out of 5), 1% of 11th graders, and a shocking statistic was that no African-American student at all got a 5 in this most recent period.

A recent influential report (from the "Council of 100", apparently a set of Florida's corporate fat cats) suggested some modest changes to shore up science education, apparently reflected in a current bill in the Florida house. This would set a statewide requirement for high school graduation concerning science courses. Three courses would be required. One would be a biology course. One would be a course in either chemistry or physics. The remaining course would be earth science of some sort. Cottle pointed out that even Mississippi, long noted for lack of production of scientific talent, requires four science courses. Elsewhere in the talk, he also noted that although no correlation could be found linking student success in college science programs to taking AP science coursework in high school, there is such a correlation linked to the number of science courses of any sort taken in high school.

Cottle provided his own set of desired changes for Florida K-12 science education. These started with recognition that preserving evolutionary science education in K-12 is a critical component of maintaining the integrity of science education. He suggested somewhat minor tweaks to the already mentioned change to require some number of science courses, then increased the number, then discussed incentives for teachers with domain training (including the dreaded topic of differential pay). Pumping $100 million (IIRC) into teacher development for science instruction was another suggestion, mirroring the effort recently implemented for improving reading.

This presents a conundrum, in that it will all take additional money and resources while available money is sharply declining, and parent complacency concerning the value of science instruction seems to be increasing. Florida's major industry of tourism service does not drive a need for scientific training, and public knowledge of and commitment to a need for ensuring scientific and engineering innovation continues apace is lacking. The 2008 revision of science standards for Florida changed it from having some of the worst standards in the nation to having one of the best such. But the way in which science is taught now still leaves Florida students behind the eight ball when it comes to science.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Jan. 24 2010,09:37

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2010,03:10   

Wesley:

What does "STEM" stand for? I am guessing "science, technology, engineering, and medicine", but don't use acronyms people can reasonably be expected not to know. I hate that about educators, that they do this entirely unselfconsciously all the time.

The problem is that the standards for teaching science, around the world, are based on a set of simplistic metrics, like (to use the sort of language I have read) "demonstrating a knowledge of X process". Of course we want biology majors to know the Krebs cycle, but that's not science. That's the product of science. Science is the doing of investigation. The way we teach science in the western world is so item-based we may as well just get them to memorise the facts. Wait, that's what we do.

If you want to fix science education, IMO, remove the constraints on good science teachers, and ensure that only good science teachers teach science, from around year 3 on. If that means third graders need a dedicated science teacher, so be it. Kids will get more interested in science by blowing things up (in a small and controlled manner) than from reading the textbooks. Make science hands on and dirty for the first 9 years; and then get data driven.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2010,09:37   

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics

I just looked it up myself and added that to the previous post.

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2010,12:40   

Quote (jswilkins @ Jan. 24 2010,01:10)
Science is the doing of investigation. The way we teach science in the western world is so item-based we may as well just get them to memorise the facts. Wait, that's what we do.

If you want to fix science education, IMO, remove the constraints on good science teachers, and ensure that only good science teachers teach science, from around year 3 on. If that means third graders need a dedicated science teacher, so be it. Kids will get more interested in science by blowing things up (in a small and controlled manner) than from reading the textbooks. Make science hands on and dirty for the first 9 years; and then get data driven.

That seems to be where things are heading, at least in California.

The place I work hosts local 5th grade students for a tour which includes some fun hands-on physics experiments. I've signed up to run a station for six of these tours this year. Volunteers like myself are instructed not to just give out answers, but to try to ask questions that guide the kids to answer their own questions. It has taken me some practice, but I'm getting better at letting them figure things out for themselves.

In addition, the Lawrence Hall of Science has put together hands-on science kits for kids from preschool to high school. They are working through the local libraries to let people  borrow the kits and take them into schools. There are many more kits than our listed on this page, so perhaps they are rolling them out slowly. I worked with the 4th grade electricity kit and it was a lot of fun. It's all about plugging in little light bulbs with batteries, inventing switches, seeing what happens when you connect them in series or parallel. It's all hands-on: play around with it and see what happens.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2010,06:41   

There's an IDC event tonight in Tampa boosting Stephen Meyer's book, "Signature in the Cell". Is anybody else going?

http://signatureinthecell.eventbrite.com/

It is near the east end of the Courtney Campbell Causeway, and starts at 7 this evening. Online ticket sales stop at noon.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,19:00   

As part of their Evolution Matters series, the Harvard Museum of Natural History is hosting a lecture by Dr. Marc Kirschner, Professor of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School.  Dr. Kirschner will give a talk entitled The Plausibility of Life: Resolving Darwin's Dilemma, where he will discuss his evolutionary theory of how rare and random mutation in organisms can lead to exquisite changes of form and function.

The talk is this Thursday, March 11, at 7:00 PM in the Geological Lecture Hall.  More details here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,21:34   

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As part of their Evolution Matters series, the Harvard Museum of Natural History is hosting a lecture by Dr. Marc Kirschner, Professor of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School.  Dr. Kirschner will give a talk entitled The Plausibility of Life: Resolving Darwin's Dilemma, where he will discuss his evolutionary theory of how rare and random mutation in organisms can lead to exquisite changes of form and function.

The talk is this Thursday, March 11, at 7:00 PM in the Geological Lecture Hall.  More details here.

"his" theory? Kirschner's, or Darwin's?

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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,22:34   

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Quote (ppb @ Mar. 08 2010,17:00)
As part of their Evolution Matters series, the Harvard Museum of Natural History is hosting a lecture by Dr. Marc Kirschner, Professor of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School.  Dr. Kirschner will give a talk entitled The Plausibility of Life: Resolving Darwin's Dilemma, where he will discuss his evolutionary theory of how rare and random mutation in organisms can lead to exquisite changes of form and function.

The talk is this Thursday, March 11, at 7:00 PM in the Geological Lecture Hall.  More details here.

"his" theory? Kirschner's, or Darwin's?

I think he has a new theory about the brontosaurus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,09:40   

Road Trip!

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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,10:28   

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Road Trip!

 
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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.

dave - Are you going to go and report on sweaterage - and pwnage - for the rest of the class?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,11:30   

Oh, that should be great! Shermer is a brilliant guy.

TED Lecture

He"s witty, sarcastic, and has a no-nonsense approach to reality.

A report would be most welcome!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,11:36   

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Road Trip!

 
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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.

dave - Are you going to go and report on sweaterage - and pwnage - for the rest of the class?

I'll try to go, but I am still trying to do two jobs (my old job and my interim gig as director of the Biology Division), so free time is tough to come by. Perhaps Rich could take the train down from Chicago and meet up with FtK at the debate, and report back on that...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,11:55   

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Road Trip!

   
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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.

dave - Are you going to go and report on sweaterage - and pwnage - for the rest of the class?

I'll try to go, but I am still trying to do two jobs (my old job and my interim gig as director of the Biology Division), so free time is tough to come by. Perhaps Rich could take the train down from Chicago and meet up with FtK at the debate, and report back on that...

I'll be back from my villa in Majorca by then..

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,12:24   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 21 2010,11:30)
Oh, that should be great! Shermer is a brilliant guy.

TED Lecture

He"s witty, sarcastic, and has a no-nonsense approach to reality.

A report would be most welcome!

Where is the Dembski TED lecture?  EXPELLED!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,15:14   

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Road Trip!

 
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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.

WATERLOO!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2010,15:16   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 21 2010,21:14)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 21 2010,07:40)
Road Trip!

 
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When: Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Where: Washburn University
1700 SW College Ave
Topeka, KS 66604
913-894-4024

Dr. Michael Shermer, founding publisher of "Skeptic Magazine", will be debating Dr. William Dembski, Discovery Institute's Senior Fellow, about whether or not science provides evidence for a designer. The debate will be on Thursday, October 7th at 7:00pm in the Washburn Room in the Memorial Union on the Washburn University campus. Admission is free. This is a debate you don't want to miss! Hope to see you there.

WATERLOO!

Wrong thread.





Oh, sorry...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2010,22:09   

Over at Evo Whine and Sleeze, Anika "The Tank" Smith reports breathlessly:

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Tomorrow night four new arguments against Darwin's theory will be revealed before an audience at Southern Methodist University. Scientists from Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute are already heading down to Dallas for the event, where they'll present new evidence against Darwinian evolution after a free screening of the film Darwin's Dilemma.


Sponsored by the SMU Victory Campus Ministries (who else?)

I'm sure the World's Press will be there at SMU tomorrow night to record this momentous event.

New Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution!

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2010,22:15   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 22 2010,20:09)
Over at Evo Whine and Sleeze, Anika "The Tank" Smith reports breathlessly:

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Tomorrow night four new arguments against Darwin's theory will be revealed before an audience at Southern Methodist University. Scientists from Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute are already heading down to Dallas for the event, where they'll present new evidence against Darwinian evolution after a free screening of the film Darwin's Dilemma.


Sponsored by the SMU Victory Campus Ministries (who else?)

I'm sure the World's Press will be there at SMU tomorrow night to record this momentous event.

New Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution!

New Evidence Regarding Darwin.

Nerd.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,08:07   

Hmmm... for some reason, all my science feeds missed the 4 new pieces of evidence against evolution.  Weird.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,08:11   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 22 2010,22:15)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 22 2010,20:09)
Over at Evo Whine and Sleeze, Anika "The Tank" Smith reports breathlessly:

   
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Tomorrow night four new arguments against Darwin's theory will be revealed before an audience at Southern Methodist University. Scientists from Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute are already heading down to Dallas for the event, where they'll present new evidence against Darwinian evolution after a free screening of the film Darwin's Dilemma.


Sponsored by the SMU Victory Campus Ministries (who else?)

I'm sure the World's Press will be there at SMU tomorrow night to record this momentous event.

New Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution!

New Evidence Regarding Darwin.

Nerd.

The Argument Regarding Darwin...

T A R D

I am sure that the DI can deliver it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,09:13   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2010,04:15)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 22 2010,20:09)
Over at Evo Whine and Sleeze, Anika "The Tank" Smith reports breathlessly:

 
Quote
Tomorrow night four new arguments against Darwin's theory will be revealed before an audience at Southern Methodist University. Scientists from Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute are already heading down to Dallas for the event, where they'll present new evidence against Darwinian evolution after a free screening of the film Darwin's Dilemma.


Sponsored by the SMU Victory Campus Ministries (who else?)

I'm sure the World's Press will be there at SMU tomorrow night to record this momentous event.

New Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution!

New Evidence Regarding Darwin.

Nerd.

Perhaps better described as:

Nugatory
"Entirely
Objective"
Carping
Regarding
Evolutionary
Arguments
That
Invidiously
Originate
Near
Interestingly
Secreted
Theistic
Hubris
Or
Really
Stupid
Exprobations
Surrounding
Historically
Impressive
Theories

Now if I could only think of an acronym.

Louis

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,11:07   

Philistines, all of you!

It's not just horseshit, it's NEW and IMPROVED horseshit.

Fresh!  Right out of the horse's mouth or, in the case of Meyer, the south end.

Just wait, you'll see!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,11:36   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 23 2010,17:07)
Philistines, all of you!

It's not just horseshit, it's NEW and IMPROVED horseshit.

Fresh!  Right out of the horse's mouth or, in the case of Meyer, the south end.

Just wait, you'll see!

Yes that's right, folks. All New and Improved Horseshit has all the benefits that you loved in Old Horseshit, and that Great Horseshit Taste ™ just like Mom used to make. Plus All New and Improved Horseshit has added vitamins and comes in a Unique, Bespoke, Designer, Real Imitation Faux Pleatherette carry case, embroided with your monogram and company logo.

And the goodness doesn't end there folks. All New and Improved Horseshit is 100% Natural and Organic. That's right, folks, it's 100% chemical and content free. And for a limited time only you will receive a free gift just from us for buying into All New and Improved Horseshit. You get a one time only, exclusive, executive, VIP membership to our Private Club. You can sit under a hole in an old tin shack and have our trained horses come by and shit on you every day of the week. All for the low low price of nothing. Hey, you pay peanuts you get monkeys....which we didn't evolve from because they're still here right folks?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2010,22:08   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 23 2010,07:13)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2010,04:15)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 22 2010,20:09)
Over at Evo Whine and Sleeze, Anika "The Tank" Smith reports breathlessly:

 
Quote
Tomorrow night four new arguments against Darwin's theory will be revealed before an audience at Southern Methodist University. Scientists from Discovery Institute and Biologic Institute are already heading down to Dallas for the event, where they'll present new evidence against Darwinian evolution after a free screening of the film Darwin's Dilemma.


Sponsored by the SMU Victory Campus Ministries (who else?)

I'm sure the World's Press will be there at SMU tomorrow night to record this momentous event.

New Evidence Against Darwinian Evolution!

New Evidence Regarding Darwin.

Nerd.

Perhaps better described as:

Nugatory
"Entirely
Objective"
Carping
Regarding
Evolutionary
Arguments
That
Invidiously
Originate
Near
Interestingly
Secreted
Theistic
Hubris
Or
Really
Stupid
Exprobations
Surrounding
Historically
Impressive
Theories

Now if I could only think of an acronym.

Louis

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

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"I am in a rush to catch up with science work." -- Gary Gaulin

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2010,13:34   

Not much word, yet, from the DI Revival Pray-in at SMU last night.

One surprise, though, Paul Nelson surfaced from the depths to burble on about now evolution is improbable, based on his vast research experience, no doubt.  I'm sure Paul will write up a summary of his thoughts Real Soon Now ™ .

Fireworks rained out again.  Darn.

  
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