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Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,12:24    Will the Panda's thumb be reporting on this elaborate piece of nonsense: http://www.icc08.org/ Quote The Creation Science Fellowship and the Institute for Creation Research are proud to announce the Sixth International Conference on Creationism. This premier scientific conference features 40+ original peer-reviewed papers and special evening presentations by the world’s leading creation science researchers and speakers; including Andrew Snelling, Russ Humphreys, John Baumgardner, John Sanford, John Whitmore, John Hartnett and many more… Quite an impressive line-up, including many speakers that I haven't heard of before. Here's their schedule: http://www.icc08.org/schedule.htm#evening but a premier scientific conference They definitely shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,12:41    I can't wait to read this one Quote Relativistic String Dynamics Support Biblical Creationism And the "who should attend" list is funny   Quote Who Should Attend    * Private educators    * Public educators    * Pastors    * Beginning & intermediate-level creationists    * Creation science researchers    * Intermediate & advanced creation scientists    * Scientists    * Engineers    * Philosophers of science/academics    * Theologians    * Interested evolutionists    * Home-schooling parents    * Anyone interested in the origins debate Do any other scientists classify themselves as beginning, intermediate or advanced? :) -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,13:01    that would be some estimate of how far along the primrose path of being an intellectually fulfilled happily deluded fuckwit you are, self-ranked of course, to eliminate materialist bias. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,13:23    And as a Double Jesus H Christ Gotcha Moment, the conference is in Pittsburgh.  OUCH! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,13:42    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 23 2008,12:41) I can't wait to read this one     Quote Relativistic String Dynamics Support Biblical Creationism And the "who should attend" list is funny     Quote Who Should Attend    * Private educators    * Public educators    * Pastors    * Beginning & intermediate-level creationists    * Creation science researchers    * Intermediate & advanced creation scientists    * Scientists    * Engineers    * Philosophers of science/academics    * Theologians    * Interested evolutionists    * Home-schooling parents    * Anyone interested in the origins debate Do any other scientists classify themselves as beginning, intermediate or advanced? :) It might be like that other cult of the brain-dead, Scientology, where your status in the movement depends on how much money you've handed over to get "clear". Perhaps an advanced creation scientist has purchased all of Dembski's books, all of Behe's books, all of Wells' books, all of Ham's and Hovind's books, any other book published by the DI or FTE or AIG, and still has a subscription to PCID, even though they haven't gotten an issue in the last three years. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,13:54    We could take up a collection to send someone to the ICC 08 and report on it. The conference hotel group rate is $70 per night, and depending on how late the events on the last day go, would mean 4 or 5 nights for the hotel. Call that $350. Registration for the full conference is $130. Proceedings in print and on CD are $80. Then there is travel to and from Pittsburgh. So the base cost without travel and per diem meals is $560. If we raised about $1000, we'd be in the right ballpark to put someone on the scene. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:04    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2008,13:54) We could take up a collection to send someone to the ICC 08 and report on it. The conference hotel group rate is $70 per night, and depending on how late the events on the last day go, would mean 4 or 5 nights for the hotel. Call that $350. Registration for the full conference is $130. Proceedings in print and on CD are $80. Then there is travel to and from Pittsburgh. So the base cost without travel and per diem meals is $560. If we raised about $1000, we'd be in the right ballpark to put someone on the scene. I'm in for $100. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:04    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2008,13:54) We could take up a collection to send someone to the ICC 08 and report on it. The conference hotel group rate is $70 per night, and depending on how late the events on the last day go, would mean 4 or 5 nights for the hotel. Call that $350. Registration for the full conference is $130. Proceedings in print and on CD are $80. Then there is travel to and from Pittsburgh. So the base cost without travel and per diem meals is $560. If we raised about $1000, we'd be in the right ballpark to put someone on the scene. What about Heddle? He is from Pittsburgh.  He might be able to crash on his mom's couch and save us a bundle! -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:45    OMG!! Get Genie on the horn pronto...the sky is falling!!!! You guys will have to call in your best spies for this one.   “Genie? yeah, it’s Elsberry.  I don’t think they recognize me without the chin  strap....oops, here comes Snelling.  I better sign off.  Yes, yes, I remember the mission....focus my reports on dinosaurs and Noah....ignore the rest.” [Side note:  I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO BE YOUR SPY!!!!!  Hey!  Rich and I can go....he can be Maxwell Smart and I'll be Agent 99.]   -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:49    You will certainly not be agent 69. You're welcome to contribute to the fund, though.   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:54    Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,14:45) OMG!! Get Genie on the horn pronto...the sky is falling!!!! You guys will have to call in your best spies for this one. There is no need to spy on this crowd.  They are quite open about their dedication to a literal reading of Genesis. In that sense, they are actually the honest creationists. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:55    I'm in for $100. Heddle would be a good candidate. Good old ICR. I remember these folks from the 1980s. Quote a 1983 PBS special, Duane Gish of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), a YEC institution, claimed that certain human proteins were more similar to bullfrog proteins than chimpanzee homologues, a claim that would be nearly inexplicable if our current understanding of evolution was correct. However, despite countless public and private requests spanning the last 20 years, Gish has never provided a source for that claim, nor retracted it nor will he. Their articles are "peer reviewed" because they e-mailed them to friends, on a peer-to-peer network that someone's cousin set up. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,14:59    Quote (Kristine @ June 23 2008,20:55) I'm in for $100. Heddle would be a good candidate. Good old ICR. I remember these folks from the 1980s.   Quote a 1983 PBS special, Duane Gish of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), a YEC institution, claimed that certain human proteins were more similar to bullfrog proteins than chimpanzee homologues, a claim that would be nearly inexplicable if our current understanding of evolution was correct. However, despite countless public and private requests spanning the last 20 years, Gish has never provided a source for that claim, nor retracted it nor will he. Their articles are "peer reviewed" because they e-mailed them to friends, on a peer-to-peer network that someone's cousin set up. :p I remember Gish. {cough}bullfrog{cough} LOL Good memory skills Kristine. Louis -------------- Bye.

American Saddlebred Posts: 111 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,15:34    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 23 2008,13:42) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 23 2008,12:41)        * Private educators    * Public educators    * Pastors * Beginning & intermediate-level creationists    * Creation science researchers * Intermediate & advanced creation scientists    * Scientists    * Engineers    * Philosophers of science/academics    * Theologians    * Interested evolutionists    * Home-schooling parents    * Anyone interested in the origins debate I wonder if they give out merit badges or have some sort of belt system.  I'm a 5th Degree Bible Belt.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,15:42    Who said anything about spying? The YECs running the ICC have long demonstrated no tendency to kick out those who don't agree with their viewpoint, unlike the IDC advocates. Smells like projection to me. John Calvert, BTW, turned up at the K-12 Education Symposium here at Evolution 2008. Nobody batted an eye at his presence, nor at the participant who was a signer of the DI "Dissent from Darwin" list. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:26    Quote If we raised about $1000, we'd be in the right ballpark to put someone on the scene. If 100 people gave a tenner (£'s that is) you'd have well over $1,000. Are there 100 people posting on this forum ? If there are then I'm up for a tenner then. Still, did Jason Rosenhouse not pay his own way (albeit begrudgingly) to the creation mega - conference a couple of years ago ?   Quote claimed that certain human proteins were more similar to bullfrog proteins than chimpanzee homologues Only last week I heard that:     Quote (when asked about the similarity of chimpanzee and human DNA) human DNA was 66% similar to that of a banana. Does that mean humans and banana's have common ancestors ? No. All it means is that humans and bananas have the same designer. In the same way that humans and chimps have a common designer. : That one came from the guy from Mensa: http://www.creationworldview.org/aboutus.asp

MillstoneCam Posts: 9 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:36    I'm happy to contribute £10.

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:37    Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today??? -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:40    Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,17:37) Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today??? Is that a joke too? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:41    Quote (MillstoneCam @ June 23 2008,17:36) I'm happy to contribute £10. PayPal! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Peter Henderson Posts: 298 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,17:53    Quote You guys will have to call in your best spies for this one. Believe it or not, I actually remember that series when it was on TV: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058805/

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,18:03    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 23 2008,11:54) We could take up a collection to send someone to the ICC 08 and report on it. The conference hotel group rate is $70 per night, and depending on how late the events on the last day go, would mean 4 or 5 nights for the hotel. Call that $350. Registration for the full conference is $130. Proceedings in print and on CD are $80. Then there is travel to and from Pittsburgh. So the base cost without travel and per diem meals is $560. If we raised about $1000, we'd be in the right ballpark to put someone on the scene. No beer money? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Zarquon Posts: 71 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,18:12    Quote (JohnW @ June 23 2008,18:03) No beer money? For someone going to a Creationism conference? No one could afford that.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,18:21    Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,15:37) Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today???   Quote For someone going to a Creationism conference? No one could afford that. An extra $25 if you go wearing a Barack Obama t-shirt. An extra $50 if you go wearing a PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins shirt. An extra $100 if you go wearing this on your shirt: Hey, that $100 will buy a lot of beer, after Security throws you out. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,19:06    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 23 2008,18:21) Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,15:37) Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today???   Quote For someone going to a Creationism conference? No one could afford that. An extra $25 if you go wearing a Barack Obama t-shirt. An extra $50 if you go wearing a PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins shirt. An extra $100 if you go wearing this on your shirt: Hey, that $100 will buy a lot of beer, after Security throws you out. No matter how rich a man he is, he can only drink 30-40 beers in a day. David A Etnier, 1970something -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,20:23    Seriously, I'd contribute (got my $600 US tax bribe today). -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

EyeNoU Posts: 115 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,21:36    From the website:    "Considerable problems with securing a San Diego venue caused the ICC Executive Committee to unanimously endorse a move back to Pittsburgh."   The Left Coast has a low TARD tolerance level?

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,21:37    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 23 2008,18:21) Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,15:37) Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today???     Quote For someone going to a Creationism conference? No one could afford that. An extra $25 if you go wearing a Barack Obama t-shirt. An extra $50 if you go wearing a PZ Myers or Richard Dawkins shirt. An extra $100 if you go wearing this on your shirt: Hey, that $100 will buy a lot of beer, after Security throws you out. Hey, if you guys pay my way to the conference, I swear I'll wear *that* T-shirt as well as a replica of PZ's hat in his rapping debut Beware the Believers.  Oh, and I'll wear a vote for Obama pin. -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

EyeNoU Posts: 115 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,21:41    FtK, sending you there would be like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch......

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,23:17    Quote (EyeNoU @ June 23 2008,21:41) FtK, sending you there would be like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch...... alcoholic to the brewery more like.. Ps I did duns this on my iPhones. Woot!!! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

k.e.. Posts: 5427 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2008,23:32    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2008,07:17) Quote (EyeNoU @ June 23 2008,21:41) FtK, sending you there would be like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch...... alcoholic to the brewery more like.. Ps I did duns this on my iPhones. Woot!!! YEAH AND IT WAS INTELLIGENTLY DESIGNED JUST LIKE MUD TO MAN, HOMO!dt -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,00:39    I'd happily chip in £10 too. (checks exchange rate) That'll cover the full cost, plus enough beer to get FTK pissed. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,06:38    Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,21:37) Hey, if you guys pay my way to the conference, I swear I'll wear *that* T-shirt as well as a replica of PZ's hat in his rapping debut Beware the Believers.  Oh, and I'll wear a vote for Obama pin. I think we want to send somebody who knows enough about biology that they would get a good laugh from listening to the presentations. That somebody would not be you, oh credulous one. I'll chip in $50 as long as the above criterion is met -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,06:46    Are you volunteering, Alba? -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

EyeNoU Posts: 115 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,06:51    Oh, yeah, forgot about the cash. I'll chip in £10, but since I am American, I guess that means twenty bucks.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,07:13    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 24 2008,06:46) Are you volunteering, Alba? Nope. I'll be out of the country at the start of that meeting. If ichthyic was still posting on this board, I'd nominate him. Or erasmus. But I'm sure I'm overlooking lots of possible "spies". I do hope that we can find someone. Maybe we should ask PZ! -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,07:23    Quote (Ftk @ June 23 2008,17:37) Good Lord, Elsberry....it was a joke.  Little touchy today??? Fact is, spying isn't necessary for finding out what goes on at the big YEC meeting, and wasn't proposed. That would be silly. Spying isn't necessary for the IDC advocates to go see what is going on at the biggest evolutionary science meeting of the year. Reed Cartwright says that John Calvert has stuck around so far, and knows that because Calvert asked directions to lunch yesterday from Reed. The only folks who seem "touchy" about their meetings are the IDC advocates. So the only funny thing there is that IDC cheerleaders seem to go for pathetically paranoid humor. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,07:57    Quote I'd nominate him. Or erasmus hmmmm.  no thanks.  i just looked at the flyer and saw this   Quote "Is “evolution in action” attributed to certain bacteria by evolutionists really only adaptation? and this Quote are snakes more related than evolution predicts . And I had to put teh tard down.  I don't think I could stand four days of that.  or four hours.  at least, stand it and still accomplish the goal of being able to observe what is going on.  i predict (does evilution?) that I would have a massive aneurysm very shortly before the first speaker.  or a hernia.   but i can't wait to see what comes out of it.  FtK you are a naughty tard you just want to hole up with Richtard for a few days.  the bible says a whore is like a deep ditch. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,09:15    I'm in for €25.00. PayPal? -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,06:49    Quote (EyeNoU @ June 24 2008,07:51) Oh, yeah, forgot about the cash. I'll chip in £10, but since I am American, I guess that means twenty bucks. Wait a couple weeks and it will be worth 200. ...which will buy a loaf of bread. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

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