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Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,13:14    ID predicts lots of things apparently, after the fact. As they don't have a 'how' it is of course hard to make predictions, but I'm going to try in good faith to help them. Frontloading?... My understanding is that the blueprints were all in there at the start ready to be unpacked into different organisms. IDers feel free to correct me if I'm misstating. If this is true then early life should have the same or greater information content* than later life? Sounds like a testable prediction to me. The premise is that only 'intelligent agency' can increase information content although mutations can possibly reduce it (Think of a fax becoming unreadable after N generations of re-scanning). Of course falsifying Frontloading doesn't falsify ID or Jesus. *Information content, that thing no one can quantify. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,13:30    Richard - You mean actual, real predictions? Not stuff like: Dembski can obfuscate anything to the nth degree... DaveScott is the Tardiest Of The Tard.. Real stuff?  From ID?  Hey, you want to share that Kool-Aid with the Class? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Mike PSS Posts: 428 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,13:55    Frontloading?  I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). Well, one prediction is that earlier organisms would have a larger genome. And.... Bacteria DO have a larger genome (as measured by base pairs) than humans. I win.  Frontloading is valid (so far).

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,13:56    ID predicts: Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17. Take that, materialists! -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,14:20    Quote (Mike PSS @ Mar. 05 2007,13:55) Frontloading?  I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). Well, one prediction is that earlier organisms would have a larger genome. And.... Bacteria DO have a larger genome (as measured by base pairs) than humans. I win.  Frontloading is valid (so far). http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin....27.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Mike PSS Posts: 428 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,14:35    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2007,15:20) Quote (Mike PSS @ Mar. 05 2007,13:55) Frontloading?  I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). Well, one prediction is that earlier organisms would have a larger genome. And.... Bacteria DO have a larger genome (as measured by base pairs) than humans. I win.  Frontloading is valid (so far). http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin....27.html Ummmm..... Not base pairs.... Chromasomes!  That's it! Something about chromasomes.  Humans 46.  Bacteria a lot more. Silly of me.  I still win.  And I'll write a summary soon. (BTW.  I training this style of argument from the likes of AFDave.)

Fross Posts: 71 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,15:15    ID predicts that there will always be gaps in scientific knowledge. *for me to poop on* -------------- "For everything else, there's Mastertard"

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:02    Prediction: If you clone bacteria, split them into several groups and then keep them under identical conditions, all of them will experience the same mutations in the same order. This has been tested once, on mushrooms, in Dave's basement lab, but didn't yield the expected result.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:29    Quote I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). yeah, we had a very annoying front-loader (they're not actually that common - the true front loaders, that is) named "blast-from-the-past", and it seemed appropriate terminology for for the load he tried to dump on us. after months and months of continuing to expose the vacuity of front-loading, I think we finally finished him off in a thread on the evolution of snake venom (with Lenny and the author of the paper in question's help).  After that, we simply kept reminding him of that thread, and he finally gave up. That was a while ago; I'm surprised someone remembered it. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:52    Quote (Ichthyic @ Mar. 05 2007,17:29) Quote I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). yeah, we had a very annoying front-loader (they're not actually that common - the true front loaders, that is) named "blast-from-the-past", and it seemed appropriate terminology for for the load he tried to dump on us. after months and months of continuing to expose the vacuity of front-loading, I think we finally finished him off in a thread on the evolution of snake venom (with Lenny and the author of the paper in question's help).  After that, we simply kept reminding him of that thread, and he finally gave up. That was a while ago; I'm surprised someone remembered it. Geez, who the #### could ever forget Blasty . . . ? As I recall, we continually asked him to show us a gene for cobra venom in a garter snake.  For some odd reason, he ran away instead. I think it not impossible, though, that Blasty was one of Paley's sockpuppets. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,18:02    Blast reminded me of several people. But I wasn't moderator then, and couldn't look at IPs and such.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,18:08    he seems to have disappeared shortly thereafter; the most recent post i could dredge up attributed to him was all the way back in dec, 2005, on one of John Davison's endlessly recylcing forums. what a surprise that a front-loader would end up on John's blog. :p -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,20:21    I had actually confused Blast with Ghost at first. It wasn't just their arguments, it was the exact same style of writing. Maybe Ghost tried to copy it? -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

Mike PSS Posts: 428 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,21:33    Quote (Ichthyic @ Mar. 05 2007,18:29) Quote I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended). yeah, we had a very annoying front-loader (they're not actually that common - the true front loaders, that is) named "blast-from-the-past", and it seemed appropriate terminology for for the load he tried to dump on us. after months and months of continuing to expose the vacuity of front-loading, I think we finally finished him off in a thread on the evolution of snake venom (with Lenny and the author of the paper in question's help).  After that, we simply kept reminding him of that thread, and he finally gave up. That was a while ago; I'm surprised someone remembered it. It was the phrase association that stuck in my head. For a response to the frontloading concept is seemed... so... apt. You get so much more meaning from such a little phrase response like that.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,21:34    well, thanks.  I rather thought so too. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,22:29    Re " I think someone in the past called it "pant loading" (all puns intended)." Re "yeah, we had a very annoying front-loader (they're not actually that common - the true front loaders, that is) named "blast-from-the-past", and it seemed appropriate terminology for for the load he tried to dump on us." I thought it was JAD who inspired that terminology? ---- Fross, Re "ID predicts that there will always be gaps in scientific knowledge. " Funny, I thought plain common sense would predict that. ---- Henry

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,23:10    Quote I thought it was JAD who inspired that terminology? nope.  actually JAD isn't a frontloader at all. likely, blast decided to interpret what JAD was saying in his PEH AS frontloading, but even JAD disavowed him of that notion (that too, was lost on blast, but since he decided to be friendly with him, JAD finally stopped trying to correct him). nothing like demolishing the tenants of your own bit of crank just in order to have someone other than yourself make posts on your personal blog. it's a sad, sad, story best not visited in any further detail, lest we all lose brain cells better conserved for drinking binges. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,10:00    (2) The universe is very big The part we use is very small. Is tiny utilization a sign of design? Does ID 'predict' similar things about "Junk Space" as "Junk DNA"? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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