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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,15:49   

From the latest from Pensacola:
10 years for 'Dr. Dino'

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http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps....006

Michael Stewart
mstewart@pnj.com

Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind was sentenced Friday afternoon to 10 years in prison on charges of tax fraud.

After a lengthy sentencing hearing that last 5 1/2 hours, U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers ordered Hovind also:

-- Pay $640,000 in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service.

-- Pay the prosecution’s court costs of $7,078.

-- Serve three years parole once he is released from prison.

Hovind’s wife, Jo Hovind, also was scheduled to be sentenced. Rodgers postponed her sentencing until March 1 to allow her defense attorney an opportunity to argue possible discrepancies in sentencing guidelines.

Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for the court’s leniency.

“If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach,” Hovind said.

Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty in November of 58 federal counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faced a maximum of 288 years in prison.

Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements and faces a maximum of 225 years in prison.

Kent Hovind, who is incarcerated in the Escambia County Jail, will be assigned to a prison by the Bureau of Prisons. Rodgers recommended Kent Hovind be sent to the prison at Saufley Field in Pensacola so he will be close to his family.

It will be up to the Bureau of Prisons, however, to make that determination.

In November, a jury found Creation Science Evangelism founder Kent Hovind guilty on 58 federal counts, including failing to pay $845,00 in employee-related taxes.

Hovind's wife, Jo Hovind, also was convicted in 44 of the counts involving bank-reporting requirements.

A federal clerk said Thursday U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers will sentence the Hovinds at 9 a.m. today.

Kent Hovind, who has remained in custody at an undisclosed location since his conviction, faces a maximum of 288 years in prison. Jo Hovind could be sentenced to up to 225 years in prison. She has remained free pending sentencing.[B][/B]

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,15:53   

Ouch

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:00   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2007,15:49)
Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for the court’s leniency.

“If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach,” Hovind said.

"If it's just money the IRS wants, I should have no problem separating it from a few thousand rubes."

Despicable.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:03   

I despise Hovind, but I'd never wish that on anyone...yet he asked for it and he got what he deserved. Fed sentences means he gets virtually NO "good time" taken off his sentence ( 54 days/year = 540 days "good time") .

Edit: back when he got convicted, I figured he'd get 70 months or so, based on other cases. This judge was not happy with Mr. Hovind.

Maybe Hovind asked him during the trial : " How would YOU know what went on, Judge? WERE YOU THERE?!?!? "

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:03   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 19 2007,15:53)
Ouch

Yea verily, I say unto thee, one does not fuck with the IRS.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:08   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 19 2007,17:00)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2007,15:49)
Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for the court’s leniency.

“If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach,” Hovind said.

"If it's just money the IRS wants, I should have no problem separating it from a few thousand rubes."

Despicable.

x2

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:43   

Quote (improvius @ Jan. 19 2007,17:08)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 19 2007,17:00)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2007,15:49)
Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for the court’s leniency.

“If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach,” Hovind said.

"If it's just money the IRS wants, I should have no problem separating it from a few thousand rubes."

Despicable.

x2

x3  :angry:

He can preach to his "captive" audience all he wants.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:52   

^2

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,16:54   

I find no pleasure in seeing anyone harassed by the IRS. I think the IRS is despicable. There are many former IRS agents that no longer file 1040 forms. Once they found out that they "don't really have to", they stopped.

Here is another story:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Tax_Trial.html

You've probably heard of this movie, but here it is:

http://video.google.com/videopl....fascism

The title is hyperbolic, but just watch the movie, at least the first 15 minutes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,17:25   

I don't think anyone here is cheerleading for the IRS, and I think everyone here agrees that they have far too much power to destroy lives without justification. However, they are a fact of life in the US that the rest of us learn to live with, and to rebel against them on the grounds that they're 'illegitimate' to me seems the height of insanity. Everyone who's ever tried that "the IRS is unconstitional, there's no legal reason I should have to pay taxes" protest shtick has gotten their head nailed to the floor. The fact that Hovind evidently didn't think it would happen to him is a towering testimony to his stupidity. And the fact that instead of taking responsibility for this, he wants one last chance to squeeze his payments out of his none-too-bright followers tells us all we need to know about his ethics.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,17:30   

Render unto God what is God's, and render unto the IRS 40% of your income.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:03   

Hovind doesn't make a very sympathetic defendant - still 10 years for stupidity sees pretty steep.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:08   

Quote (ScaryFacts @ Jan. 19 2007,20:03)
Hovind doesn't make a very sympathetic defendant - still 10 years for stupidity sees pretty steep.

I don't think so at all.  He was facing 584 years or something like that.  He only got 10.  He got off easy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:20   

Quote (GCT @ Jan. 19 2007,19:08)
Quote (ScaryFacts @ Jan. 19 2007,20:03)
Hovind doesn't make a very sympathetic defendant - still 10 years for stupidity sees pretty steep.

I don't think so at all.  He was facing 584 years or something like that.  He only got 10.  He got off easy.

Hovind's legal problems and contempt for the law go WAY back:

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Kent Hovind has been in trouble with law enforcement several times. These have included assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges.
[edit]Assault and battery
In 2002, he was charged with one count of felony assault, one count of misdemeanor battery, and one count of burglary with assault/battery.[24] In December 2002, the charges were dropped by the alleged victim, Hovind's secretary.[20]
[edit]Property taxes and zoning ordinance
Hovind was charged on September 13, 2002, for failure to observe county zoning regulations with respect to Dinosaur Adventure Land.[20] Despite arguments that the owners did not need a permit due to the nature of the building, the park has been found in violation of local regulations.[25] On June 5, 2006, Hovind pled nolo contendere as charged to three counts: constructing a building without a permit, refusing to sign a citation (Case # 2001 MM 023489 A)[26] and violating the county building code (Case # 2002 MM 026670 A)[27]. Hovind was ordered to pay $225.00 per count. The plea brought to an end the 5-year criminal (misdemeanor) court battle over a $50.00 building permit. In June 2006 Hovind complied with the county law (Case # 2001 MM 023489 A)[28]. Hovind estimates he spent $40,000 in legal expenses on this case. On June 19, 2006, the delinquent 2003-2005 property taxes/penalties for Dinosaur Adventure Land were paid in an amount of $10,402.64 [4].
[edit]Federal civil tax matters, bankruptcy, and renouncing citizenship
Hovind does not run his various educational and religious activities through a U.S. Internal Revenue Code Section 501©(3) organization. Instead, the organizational structure he uses apparently is "based on various questionable trust documents purchased from ... a known promoter of tax avoidance schemes."[8] The U.S. Tax Court has concluded that Hovind used these trust documents as well as other fraudulent means to conceal the ownership and control of his activities and properties.[8]
Hovind was originally reported to the IRS by Pensacola Christian College senior vice president Rebekah Horton in the mid 1990s, after she learned of Hovind's anti-tax stand. "'We know the Scriptures do not promote (tax evasion),'" Horton said in testimony against Hovind during his 2006 trial, "'It's against Scripture teaching'.... Horton believed it was the college's duty to report the misleading doctrine. 'I didn't want to see innocent people get led astray,' she said. Pensacola Christian College then decided its students no longer were permitted to work with Creation Science Evangelism".[29]

Wikisource has original text related to this article:
The Hovind Bankruptcy Decision
In 1996 Hovind unsuccessfully filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying federal income taxes. Hovind was found to have lied about his possessions and income[30]. He claimed that as a minister of God everything he owns belonged to God and he is not subject to paying taxes to the United States on the money he received for doing God's work (citing US tax code §508©(1)(a)) [31]. The court ordered him to pay the money and upheld the IRS determination that Hovind's claim "was filed in bad faith for the sole purpose of avoiding payment of federal income taxes." In the ruling, the judge called Hovind's arguments "patently absurd." The judge also noted that "the IRS has no record of the debtor ever having filed a federal income tax return," although this was not the court's reason for denying the bankruptcy claim.

Wikisource has original text related to this article:
Kent Hovind 2005 Affidavit
On May 13, 1998, Hovind and his wife attempted to evade all responsibility for any previous promises, debts, or legal agreements made prior to April 15, 1998, by filing a document called "Power of Attorney and Revocation of Signature"[32] with the Escambia County Clerk of Courts. The document reads, in part: "I/we do hereby revoke and make void... all signatures on any instruments...". The Hovinds claimed they had signed government documents "due to the use of various elements of fraud and misrepresentations, duress, coercion, under perjury, mistake, 'bankruptcy'."[32]
In the document, the Hovinds argue that Social Security is essentially a "Ponzi scheme."[32] The Hovinds referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government" and said they were renouncing their United States citizenship and Social Security numbers to become "a natural citizen of 'America' and a natural sojourner." [32] In 2002 Hovind was again delinquent in paying his taxes, and unsuccessfully sued the IRS for harassment.[33] The Hovinds referred to their home state of Florida as "the State of Florida Body-Politic Corporation."[32] Judges and the IRS did not appear to honor this as a legally relevant document in future decisions.[33]

Wikisource has original text related to this article:
Kent Hovind v Scott Schneider
In 2004, IRS agents raided Hovind's home and business to confiscate financial records.[34] IRS agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's businesses had a business license, nor tax-exempt status. The Associated Press quoted Schneider as saying "Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require the filing of federal income taxes."[35] On June 3, 2004, the IRS issued tax liens of $504,957.24 against Hovind and his son and their businesses due to previous legal maneuverings to evade taxation by moving property between himself, his son, and other legal entities.[36]

Wikisource has original text related to this article:
Kent Hovind v Commissioner of Internal Revenue
On July 7, 2006, the United States Tax Court (Docket number 011894-05L) found that Hovind was deficient in paying his federal income taxes in tax years 1995-97 in the amount of $504,957.24.[8] The Tax Court found that the IRS had a valid, perfected lien on Hovind's property in that amount. The IRS is currently levying against Hovind's property to satisfy his unpaid tax liabilities.[8] In the Memorandum Opinion the judge noted that Hovind's "organizational structure . . . was based on various questionable trust documents purchased from Glen Stoll, a known promoter of tax avoidance schemes."[8] Moreover, Hovind's defense was based on "bizarre arguments" and "some of which constitute tax protestor arguments involving excise taxes and the alleged '100% voluntary' nature of the income tax."[8]


So the 10-year sentence is nothing out of the ordinary. Clearly he pissed the feds off in a big way and they weren't about to let him walk.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:29   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 19 2007,20:20)
 
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Hovind estimates he spent $40,000 in legal expenses on this case. On June 19, 2006, the delinquent 2003-2005 property taxes/penalties for Dinosaur Adventure Land were paid in an amount of $10,402.64 [4].

Oh yeah, I'm sure Hovind paid that. :angry:

 
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So the 10-year sentence is nothing out of the ordinary. Clearly he pissed the feds off in a big way and they weren't about to let him walk.


Nothing out of the ordinary?  I still think 10 years was too little for that scumbag.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:39   

Quote (GCT @ Jan. 19 2007,19:29)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 19 2007,20:20)
 
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Hovind estimates he spent $40,000 in legal expenses on this case. On June 19, 2006, the delinquent 2003-2005 property taxes/penalties for Dinosaur Adventure Land were paid in an amount of $10,402.64 [4].

Oh yeah, I'm sure Hovind paid that. :angry:

 
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So the 10-year sentence is nothing out of the ordinary. Clearly he pissed the feds off in a big way and they weren't about to let him walk.


Nothing out of the ordinary?  I still think 10 years was too little for that scumbag.

I agree. But by 'nothing out of the ordinary' I meant 'not abnormally big for what he did'.

Whether it's an abnormally SMALL sentence is a separate question. I don't know what the range of usual sentences are for people who've gone as far off the rails as Hovind.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,19:46   

A crooked lying liar who only distinguishes himself from the rest of the creationist crackpots by not paying his taxes.

He only finaly caught on, when he realised all he had to do was tell a few more creationist lies to rubes to raise funds to pay those taxes back when the IRS asked him.

The guy is a petty crook who found almost the perfect scam. Stupid people gave him money expecting nothing in return except sweet little lies.

And he would be free if he wasn't so incredibly dishonest. The smart ones know when to tell the truth.

So Hovind, Haggart, AFD etc etc is there a creationist who is not a pathological liar?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,20:37   

Any bets of single-malt scotch on what the take will be by DaveScott and teh rubes at UD?  Will Dave Spring to action like he did with the "Marines Forbidden To Pray Fiasco"?!  That was GREAT!  Can he re-create, I mean design the tard for us?

Also worth considering, does, Ken Ham play "adopt-a-dino" and promise to pray with and take care of all of Dr. Dino's dinos?  Maybe the same thing will happen to Ham?

It must be some plan of Fred and Barney's that backfired against Hovind.  That's the REAL "elephant in the room" that no one wants to talk about...the perils of men and dinos living together.  We can only hope that the same will happen to Ham.  

BWA HA HA!

Hovind, you ignorant slut, what did you think would happen?!

BWA ha ha!

COME ON HOMO DAVETARD!  Ride to his rescue!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,21:00   

Arden: I posted this over at Pharyngula back in November:
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Hovind will appeal, be forced to pay restitution on taxes owed, get a nice fine, have his properties confiscated/sold, and face some nice fat bills otherwise ( think of the legal fees). I'd expect him to get at least 70 months or more, based on previous cases like the "Minnesota Tax Protestors" http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1996/April96/158.txt.htm [top sentence was 96 months]
and the husband and wife team who got 156 months and 60 months respectively:  http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05445.htm   Since 1987, the Feds only allow 54 days of "good time " per year, which means you do roughly 85% of the sentence. Schadenfreude.

Those were pretty egregious cases and Hovind got about the same.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,22:13   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2007,20:37)
Any bets of single-malt scotch on what the take will be by DaveScott and teh rubes at UD?  Will Dave Spring to action like he did with the "Marines Forbidden To Pray Fiasco"?!  That was GREAT!  Can he re-create, I mean design the tard for us?

An easy call. Dave will make some snarls about how 'those church burning Ebola Boys' at ATBC are taking too much glee in Hovind's downfall, and declare that this proves that Darwinians all hate Christians. He will then offer a evasively-worded defense of Hovind, and imply that nefarious conspiracies of liberals who hate religion are the only reason that Hovind is going to jail, though he will fail to offer any kind of proof for this. He will fail to mention any of the huge list of felonies Hovind has committed, or any of his YEC inanities. At no point will he ever explicitly say what all this has to do with Intelligent Design, instead implying that Hovind is some kind of Good Christian Martyred by the Liberal Chance Worshippers.

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to pay restitution on taxes owed, get a nice fine, have his properties confiscated/sold, and face some nice fat bills otherwise ( think of the legal fees). I'd expect him to get at least 70 months or more, based on previous cases like the "Minnesota Tax Protestors" http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1996/April96/158.txt.htm [top sentence was 96 months]
and the husband and wife team who got 156 months and 60 months respectively:  http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05445.htm   Since 1987, the Feds only allow 54 days of "good time " per year, which means you do roughly 85% of the sentence. Schadenfreude.


Yup, so they got 60 and 156 months, and slimy old Kent got 120. So Hovind's sentence looks pretty typical.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,22:22   

Hmm. I also haven't followed the Hovind case. Was it personal income taxes or corporate taxes or what? If it was corporate or property, then I guess the whole protest thing doesn't apply.

And maybe Hovind gulled people out of their money, which is no different than any church or casino. But those people gave their money freely, just like anyone going to the movies or to see a stand-up comic or a $5000-a-plate fundraiser for some presidential candidate. But the IRS comes with force. If you don't put money in a preacher's basket, he doesn't arrest you and put you in jail for ten years.

Kent Hovind may be dumb, he may be a liar, he may be whatever, but in my personal opinion, he doesn't deserve to go to jail for 10 years for not paying taxes.

(Now, all that stuff about assault, battery, and burglary, if true, should warrant punishment of some sort.)
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The Hovinds referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government"
$9 trillion in debt? I agree with them.

I want to be clear though. The only kind of tax I'm personally against is the federal personal income tax. If Hovind wasn't paying property taxes or some other kind, then, well, that sucks of him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2007,22:25   

Just thought I'd be a smartass and post the following defense of Hovind by some walking stereotype from Kentucky:

 
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Dr. Hovind - A Wonderful Christian Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:12 am
I live in Kentucky and only learned last week that Dr. Hovind and his wife had been convicted of tax evasion. I literally cried when I heard the news. What a horrible, horrible travesty. Dr. Hovind was (and is) one of the greatest Christian inspirations I've ever encountered. His love of the Lord Jesus Christ, the King James Bible and Creation Science is reflected in his years of relentless and dogged dedication to spreading the Bible-centered truth about one of the greatest deceptions ever hoisted on mankind - evolution. In Dr. Hovind's debates with the monkey-men, he always comes across in a loving, yet uncompromising manner. He has been doing, practically single-handedly, what the body of Christ should have been doing all along - marking them "which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned" and avoiding "oppositions of science falsely so called" (see Rom. 16:17 & 1 Tim. 6:20). While Dr. Hovind was obviously mislead on his taxpaying practices, he has, for many years, been a model and a great example of how Christians should serve the Lord as he's shouted loud and long to a nation (and world) which has plugged it's collective ears to the truth of the Scriptures and to the only way of salvation - the Lord Jesus Christ. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us ..." (Titus 3:5) "... and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1John 1:7) Where Dr. Hovind messes up (he's only a sinner saved by grace) we can ignore his example (especially his tax practices), but where he sets a perfect example of Christian service we can, and should imitate him. The apostle Paul wrote: "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." (1 Cor. 11:1) I'll be in prayer for Dr. and Mrs. Hovind and their family and pray that the Lord will show them much mercy. The service and good he's done for the cause of Christ and the Truth FAR OUTWEIGHS the fact that the government didn't get their cut of the $$$ Dr. Hovind was using for the Lord.
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Phonon:

Read the Wikipedia article on Hovind, it's pretty comprehensive.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,01:23   

Phonon,
As I understand it the thing that got Hovind into the biggest trouble was not paying his employees taxes and deliberately trying to get around it by lies such as misleading his employees who testafied against him and criminal deception such as moving cash around in less than 10k amounts in an attempt to reduce his percieved cash earnings.

The sort of thing anyone who operates outside the law does to avoid detection. The only thing that separates him from a drug dealer, is he operated in broad daylight.

It would not be unreasonable to assume his earnings were much higher.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,02:09   

Hovind blogging just before the sentence:
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Please pray for us and Judge Casey Rogers on Friday morning, January 19, 2007 at 9:00 a.m.  Judge Rogers can rule in any number of ways.  Pray specifically for an acquittal to be granted or that the Eleventh Circuit will grant our motion for release and turn the case over on appeal.  The acquittal would be best for all involved.

Pray specifically... wow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,03:28   

Quote (Altabin @ Jan. 20 2007,02:09)
Hovind blogging just before the sentence:
 
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Please pray for us and Judge Casey Rogers on Friday morning, January 19, 2007 at 9:00 a.m.  Judge Rogers can rule in any number of ways.  Pray specifically for an acquittal to be granted or that the Eleventh Circuit will grant our motion for release and turn the case over on appeal.  The acquittal would be best for all involved.

Pray specifically... wow.

Oh yeah!

These messengers of the 'one true world of dog' speak to each other as masters of dogs thought process.

Their minds eye and what they think god IS are inseparable.

They speak with such a profound assurance that they alone and in unison with their sycophants are the pathway for the word of god .....without any hint of introspection or shadow of doubt.

As far as they are concerned they are god’s true representatives here on earth (elected by themselves of course).

They are no different to the 9/11 bombers in their belief and assurance that they act in the name of the lord.

Now previously a lot of them would have been locked up in various asylums for the insane having been identified as being schizophrenic or psychotic where they could have REALLY MET GOD ...ward 5, 2nd bed and Napoleon,  Cleopatra etc etc

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A newly remorseful Pensacola evangelist, who still disputes the government's right to make him pay taxes, was sentenced Friday afternoon to 10 years in prison on federal tax charges.

His wife, Jo, will be sentenced March 1 on charges of evading bank-reporting requirements.

Before his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind compared his situation to that of the lion and the mouse in Aesop's Fables.

"I feel like the mouse," Hovind told U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers. "I stand here in great fear of the power of this court. Your decision can destroy my life, my ministry and my grandchildren."

Hovind's courtroom comments were in stark contrast to more-combative statements he made in recent telephone calls from Escambia County Jail.

In a recording of one of the telephone conversations played in court Friday, Hovind said the Internal Revenue Service, presiding judge and prosecutor broke the law by going after him, and there were things he could do "to make their lives miserable."

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,04:43   

MUST......NOT......GIVE......IN.......TO......SCHADENFREUDE.. .MUST....NOT....GIVE...IN....MUST....NOT....

BUH BUH BUH BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHAHAH AhahahahaHAHAHAhahHAHah

{Breathes}

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

{Ugh, vomits, breathes}

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok I'm done.

Louis

P.S. BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

P.P.S. Ah sweet sweet reality external to one's inter-ear cavity. How I love it so. How Hovind the lying chiselling SOB must hate it. I wonder how long it will be into his sentence before he finally gets done to him what he has been doing to people all over the USA for years.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,07:56   

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And maybe Hovind gulled people out of their money, which is no different than any church or casino. But those people gave their money freely, just like anyone going to the movies or to see a stand-up comic or a $5000-a-plate fundraiser for some presidential candidate. But the IRS comes with force. If you don't put money in a preacher's basket, he doesn't arrest you and put you in jail for ten years.

Kent Hovind may be dumb, he may be a liar, he may be whatever, but in my personal opinion, he doesn't deserve to go to jail for 10 years for not paying taxes.

You taxes are higher because of scum like Hovind.  There's plenty of people out there who game the system, and it drives up taxes for all of us who don't.  It's like shoplifters, insurance scam artists, etc.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,08:47   

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Hmm. I also haven't followed the Hovind case. Was it personal income taxes or corporate taxes or what? If it was corporate or property, then I guess the whole protest thing doesn't apply.

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Kent Hovind may be dumb, he may be a liar, he may be whatever, but in my personal opinion, he doesn't deserve to go to jail for 10 years for not paying taxes.

Hovind not only didn't pay his own personal income tax he also didn't pay any of the employees withholding taxes.  Regardless of his employees own tax declarations Dinoworld has the obligation to pay the social security (~6.5% of salary) and medicare/medicaide (~1.5% of salary) of ALL employees on the payroll.  His employees are also obligated to pay the same amount into social security and medicare/medicaide (these quantities are usually withheld by the employer every paycheck but in this case Dinoworld never withheld any money from the employee paychecks), but I don't think the IRS is pursuing any of the employees directly in this incident.  Maybe in follow up audits will the IRS pursue some of the employees.

Hovind had already settled the property tax issue with the county (see the Wiki write-up) but this case was with the Feds and the IRS.
 
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The Hovinds referred to the United States Government as "the 'bankrupt' corporate government"
$9 trillion in debt? I agree with them.

I want to be clear though. The only kind of tax I'm personally against is the federal personal income tax. If Hovind wasn't paying property taxes or some other kind, then, well, that sucks of him.

The US debt represents about 65% of the countries GDP.  With this measure in mind there are countries with a far worse balance sheet.  I think Japan has over 150% debt/GDP and Italy and Brazil are near 100%.  Britain is around 40% right now.
In 1946, after WWII, the US debt/GDP was around 130% also but soon shrunk to 45%.  

I'm not going to politicize these numbers, but the chart below shows some of the interesting trends when looking at the debt and relating that to historical events like the 2000/2001 crash in tech stocks, Bush II (and GOP) spending policy compared to second term Clinton.  I leave it up to the reader to find things out from these numbers.



EDIT:  Getting some facts straight.  Here's the debt/GDP table.  Straight from the CIA so you KNOW it's correct.https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,11:44   

From what I hear, certain classes of prisoners, like rapists or child molestors, generally have a, uh, tough time in prison (from the other inmates).

Does anyone know where "tax-evading religious frauds" fit in the prison hierarchy . . . .?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,14:27   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Jan. 20 2007,11:44)
From what I hear, certain classes of prisoners, like rapists or child molestors, generally have a, uh, tough time in prison (from the other inmates).

Does anyone know where "tax-evading religious frauds" fit in the prison hierarchy . . . .?

Depends how young and pretty they are  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,14:43   

To the USA majority here. What does federal time mean (as a life experience) compared to State or County?

Is Federal neccesarily "harder" than any other? Or does it just apply to time seved/remission? Or does each level of judiciary have various overlapping levels of prison?

In the UK prison levels vary from maximum security to open. I think maximum security speaks for itself, open means there are no walls, just trust and some checks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,16:07   

Federal prisons are for nonviolent white collar criminals, like embezzlers, tax evaders, counterfeiters, etc.

They're not as harsh or as violent as state prisons, where the hardcore rapist/murderer types go.

Hovind should count himself lucky that it was the Feds who got him, and not the state government.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,16:49   

That's not really right. Federal prisons are where you go if you commit a federal crime. State prisons are where you go if you violate a state's laws. White collar crimes are often prosecuted by the feds, but the feds also prosecute violent crimes. There are some pretty fucking awful federal prisons, such as this one or this one. Mobsters also often end up serving time in federal prisons. Federal prison time is by no means easy -- it depends on where you end up and what you did.

This is a pretty instructive list of who ends up at the rougher federal prisons.

This and this are maybe more typical examples of federal prisons that have been around a looooong time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,21:04   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Jan. 20 2007,11:44)
From what I hear, certain classes of prisoners, like rapists or child molestors, generally have a, uh, tough time in prison (from the other inmates).

Does anyone know where "tax-evading religious frauds" fit in the prison hierarchy . . . .?

I don't know about that but my guess is they all think they are innocent.

He should be in good company.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2007,22:20   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 20 2007,16:49)
That's not really right. Federal prisons are where you go if you commit a federal crime. State prisons are where you go if you violate a state's laws. White collar crimes are often prosecuted by the feds, but the feds also prosecute violent crimes

Not very many, though.  Most of the violent crimes, like rape, murder, assault, are state offenses, not Fed.  The Feds only get the gangsters if they get 'em on a Federal rap like tax evasion or kidnapping or racketeering.

Most Federal crimes are nonviolent or white-collar crimes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,07:05   

I suppose the deal of $250,000 if anyone can prove to Hovind that evolution is true, is off, huh?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,08:29   

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I suppose the deal of $250,000 if anyone can prove to Hovind that evolution is true, is off, huh?

He still has one hope .....rescue by aliens

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,13:24   

I had a friend who spent 4 years in Levenworth as a war protester. (This was in the 1950s) He was never the same.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:52   

Phonon,

I watched most of your linked documentary yesterday, until I had problems with the sound.

It certainly is depressing. I've been worried for some time that mandatory immunizations are coming, and I only found out last week that insurance companies can deny coverage if the person has not complied with some recommended treatment, or failed to ingest prescribed medications.

So now we no longer really have soverieign control over our own bodies, and are not permitted to make informed decisions are to what treatments we will accept.

I wonder about the tax avoision though. That movie stated many ex IRS agents stopped filing when they understood there is no law for it, but most such people lose their court cases rather than win. Also, doesn't do much good in the case of an employee whose employer withholds the tax.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,17:27   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 21 2007,13:24)
I had a friend who spent 4 years in Levenworth as a war protester. (This was in the 1950s) He was never the same.

I'd have to say that of all the times I've been arrested (at rallies, demonstrations, protests etc), the worst by far were the Philadelphia cops.  I pissed blood for days after they were done with me.

The New York cops weren't far behind.

The DC cops were actually pretty decent -- I suspect they've seen so much of the political stuff that it just doesn't faze them anymore.

The military MP's at the Pentagon were actually pretty nice to me, except one dude who seemed to be a bit sadistic at heart.

The FBI was always impeccably polite when they interviewed me.  I suppose if they had been actually arresting me, things might have been different.

I only dealt with the Secret Service once, and they were assholes.  This was in '87 or '88, back when Bush the Elder was Prez.  He was giving a speech at a local school, so some friends and me camped out overnight to be right by the front door the next morning, waiting for him with signs at the ready.  Alas, the folks in the black suits saw us and came over to inform us that we couldn't stay there, and they had set up a "Free Speech Zone" **at the back of the building** for all us protestors.  Gee, thanks.  I, in turn, informed them that I, um, wasn't a lawyer or anything, but the last time *I* checked, the **entire United States of America**  was a goddamn 'free speech zone', and perhaps they could point to some law that indicated otherwise . . . ?   The dark-suited ones then ran off to huddle with some other dark-suited ones, and after some chattering into their walkie-talkies, they came over and declared that we couldn't stay there and had to move.  After some discussion during which the words "police state", "South Africa" and "up yours" were mentioned, I then informed them that I was staying right where I was, and the only way I was leaving would be if they dragged me away, kicking and screaming and hollering my head off --- right in front of all those TV cameras that were busily setting up nearby.  More huddling, more chattering, and the guys in the dark suits declared that, well, maybe we could stay there after all.

The pricks.

I suppose that if the same situation were to happen today, though, they'd simply "extraordinarily rendition" us all and send us to Slovakia or someplace to be tortured and indefinitely jailed as terrorist enemy combatants.  (sigh)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:30   

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Phonon,


It certainly is depressing. I've been worried for some time that mandatory immunizations are coming, and I only found out last week that insurance companies can deny coverage if the person has not complied with some recommended treatment, or failed to ingest prescribed medications.

So now we no longer really have soverieign control over our own bodies, and are not permitted to make informed decisions are to what treatments we will accept.

Omigod --- next thing ya know, they'll be FLOURIDATING OUR WATER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quick, someone let the John Birch Society know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,00:38   

Lenny

I'm just curious what informed decision could be made against vaccination?

Louis

P.S. Ten to one he brings up the MMR jab.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,02:00   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 22 2007,00:38)
Lenny

I'm just curious what informed decision could be made against vaccination?

Louis

P.S. Ten to one he brings up the MMR jab.

Anti-science loonies think that vaccinations are mind control plots and that they cause autisim and other various ills.  Jerkwad African creationists of the Islamic delusion have promoted the spread of polio by forbiding vaccination because it was a "Christian/Jewish/USA attempt to sterilize Muslims."  I only wish the Muslim clerics would die before the children they have doomed.

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 22 2007,02:00

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,03:54   

Dr GH,

And here in the 1st world, highly technologically advanced UK we had our first measles death a couple of years ago due directly to the lack of uptake of MeaslesMumpsRubella vaccination.

Remember folks, a little bit of knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing, but a whole shit load of tard is lethal.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,07:50   

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Dr GH,

And here in the 1st world, highly technologically advanced UK we had our first measles death a couple of years ago due directly to the lack of uptake of MeaslesMumpsRubella vaccination.

Remember folks, a little bit of knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing, but a whole shit load of tard is lethal.

Louis

I haven't told anyone about this but Louis came over to visit ......I told him all about the joys of Bubonic Plague, its not lethal at all, all you need is a rabid sog to suck out the buboes....

''The Curse of the Claw'

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,11:40   

All I've got to say is that if this is the kind of mind you people bring to the evolution question, then there is really nothing more to say. Very hard to believe this level of shallow thought. In other words, you examine nothing, question nothing, do no independent thinking at all. Wow.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,11:48   

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All I've got to say is that if this is the kind of mind you people bring to the evolution question, then there is really nothing more to say. Very hard to believe this level of shallow thought. In other words, you examine nothing, question nothing, do no independent thinking at all. Wow.

We love you too.

Care to enlighten us on how Judge Jones was made to 'look foolish'?

Better be deep thought.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,11:54   

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Better be deep thought.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,17:31   

Quote (avocationist @ Jan. 22 2007,11:40)
All I've got to say is that if this is the kind of mind you people bring to the evolution question, then there is really nothing more to say. Very hard to believe this level of shallow thought. In other words, you examine nothing, question nothing, do no independent thinking at all. Wow.

Yep.  We're all close-minded commies.  No point in wasting your time with us.  Pearls before swine, ya know.

I expect you'll be leaving then, right?

Bye.

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I have sat through   Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:41 pm
various talks and videos of Kent Hovind lying about science, history and even the Bible. I was happy when he was arrested, pleased when he was found guilty, and laughing when I heard his sentence.

Then I listened to the tape recorded phone calls and I realized I had been wrong. I had always thought that his phony degrees and lies were part of a clever scheme to seal money from deluded fools.

Kent Hovind was not just a scam artist, he was bug-crazy. I never imagined that he could have believed his own patter, but after listening to him rant I can see that he was even more delusional than his followers.

The only points when he seemed coherent were when he discussed how to hide his money.

I was wrong. I am still glad he is not going to be out promoting ignorance, but now I also feel sorry for him.
Posted by: GaryHurd


http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps....006

I said something similar to that on Panda's Thumb. I know Kent Hovinds. They aren't deliberately evil. They're too stupid to tell reality from fiction.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2007,23:41   

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I have sat through   Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:41 pm
various talks and videos of Kent Hovind lying about science, history and even the Bible. I was happy when he was arrested, pleased when he was found guilty, and laughing when I heard his sentence.

Then I listened to the tape recorded phone calls and I realized I had been wrong. I had always thought that his phony degrees and lies were part of a clever scheme to seal money from deluded fools.

Kent Hovind was not just a scam artist, he was bug-crazy. I never imagined that he could have believed his own patter, but after listening to him rant I can see that he was even more delusional than his followers.

The only points when he seemed coherent were when he discussed how to hide his money.

I was wrong. I am still glad he is not going to be out promoting ignorance, but now I also feel sorry for him.
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http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps....006

I said something similar to that on Panda's Thumb. I know Kent Hovinds. They aren't deliberately evil. They're too stupid to tell reality from fiction.

Their reality is recursively regenerating ignorance, a perfectly nice place to be if the world doesn't come over the hill.

As someone famous once said around 2500 years ago (in sanskrit  probably)

"With our minds, we create the world".

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2007,03:58   

Isn't it strange that Hovind's sentencing stirs so many different emotions?

In all seriousness there is a whisper of schadenfreude, a good deal of "he got what he deserved", an equally good deal of pity (he really does believe his anti-reality crapola, and prison is not a holiday camp), and sense of annoyance (why is this pratt such a total anti-reality tardfest).

Ah psychology.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,21:17   

The Hovinds' appeal: appelate court confirms all decisions of the lower courts.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2008,21:57   

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The Hovinds' appeal: appelate court confirms all decisions of the lower courts.


Wes said:

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One might have thought that the persistent miscomprehension Kent Hovind showed concerning evolutionary science might have been compartmentalized, and that he might have been competent in reasoning about other topics,


It reminds me of AFDave. We all know the bizarre thought processes that he exhibits when discussing evolution, but one could always attribute that to him being convinced that His Immortal Soul Was At Stake when it came to Evolution. However, his argumentation was identical when arguing that Portuguese was a 'hybrid' of Spanish and French, an issue where one assumes Jehovah is indifferent. So indeed, his Stoopid is *not* compartmentalized, he's just plain dumb all over.

I can see how if you spend enough of your life obsessing on how to prove the earth is 6,000 years old, it just might fuck up your ability to reason properly elsewhere. Or perhaps it works the other way: if you're dumb enough to be Absolutely Convinced that the earth is 6,000 years old and that anyone believing otherwise is going to hell, no one should *expect* you to be reasonable elsewhere.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2009,09:09   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2008,21:57)
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The Hovinds' appeal: appelate court confirms all decisions of the lower courts.


Wes said:

 
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One might have thought that the persistent miscomprehension Kent Hovind showed concerning evolutionary science might have been compartmentalized, and that he might have been competent in reasoning about other topics,


It reminds me of AFDave. We all know the bizarre thought processes that he exhibits when discussing evolution, but one could always attribute that to him being convinced that His Immortal Soul Was At Stake when it came to Evolution. However, his argumentation was identical when arguing that Portuguese was a 'hybrid' of Spanish and French, an issue where one assumes Jehovah is indifferent. So indeed, his Stoopid is *not* compartmentalized, he's just plain dumb all over.

I can see how if you spend enough of your life obsessing on how to prove the earth is 6,000 years old, it just might fuck up your ability to reason properly elsewhere. Or perhaps it works the other way: if you're dumb enough to be Absolutely Convinced that the earth is 6,000 years old and that anyone believing otherwise is going to hell, no one should *expect* you to be reasonable elsewhere.

I think you are right about Hovind - the stooopid runs bone deep, BUT he is still dangerous and capable of using his Jim Jones stupid to influence the gullible.

Louis' post of 1/23/07 is still appropriate.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:19   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2008,21:57)
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The Hovinds' appeal: appelate court confirms all decisions of the lower courts.


Wes said:

 
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One might have thought that the persistent miscomprehension Kent Hovind showed concerning evolutionary science might have been compartmentalized, and that he might have been competent in reasoning about other topics,


It reminds me of AFDave. We all know the bizarre thought processes that he exhibits when discussing evolution, but one could always attribute that to him being convinced that His Immortal Soul Was At Stake when it came to Evolution. However, his argumentation was identical when arguing that Portuguese was a 'hybrid' of Spanish and French, an issue where one assumes Jehovah is indifferent. So indeed, his Stoopid is *not* compartmentalized, he's just plain dumb all over.

I can see how if you spend enough of your life obsessing on how to prove the earth is 6,000 years old, it just might fuck up your ability to reason properly elsewhere. Or perhaps it works the other way: if you're dumb enough to be Absolutely Convinced that the earth is 6,000 years old and that anyone believing otherwise is going to hell, no one should *expect* you to be reasonable elsewhere.

It is not Kent Hovind who wastes his life obsessing to prove the earth is 6,000 years old.  Believing a "Theory" based upon "science" with the limited chance to create a universe from nothing, and then feeling comfortable that the state has to fund the propagation of the theory is real obsession.

It's as much idiocy as my pet chimpanzee that I bought at the pet store.  I told him I evolved from him.  He told me he was curious and wanted me to go to the same pet store and buy another one that evolved half way between himself and me.  I then fell off the bed and woke up before that kind fartism was explained.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:28   

Poe?

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:36   

Someone refused to fear black-helicopters, but then decided to fear no-fly-zones.  While our troops were dying, Halliburton stock was climbing.  Billions of dollars then went deliberately unaccountable in Iraq.  So unaccountable that participants all over the internet can't consider it serious either, but persistently discourage discussion on the matter.

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How much are we in debt now that we weren't just 8years ago?  One report says $56 Trillion!

Everybody knows GW Bush's name.  Most Americans don't know Kent Hovind's name.  He didn't cause America any pain, money, lives, heartache.

How come evolutionists can't figure this out and put efforts where the most damage to our country is?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:41   

Couldn't get the youtube to position properly.  Here's the URL showing George Galloway talking about the cost of the blunders of the Iraq War Kent Hovind didn't make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk

With all that happened who would waste time with Kent Hovind?  Make him more popular so the world would know him?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2009,22:45   

Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2009,04:12   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,22:45)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

I ain't never seen the connection 'twixt Hovind and the Iraq War afore.  Dayum!

Argumentum ad Youtubium, no less!  How can we argue with that?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2009,04:28   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Jan. 20 2009,10:12)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,22:45)
 
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

I ain't never seen the connection 'twixt Hovind and the Iraq War afore.  Dayum!

Argumentum ad Youtubium, no less!  How can we argue with that?

We can't. The scales have fallen from my eyes, oh woe is me I've been wrong all these years.

Oh wait. Yes we can, no they haven't, and no more than usual.

Louis

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,04:00   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,22:45)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

If I order tinfoil head-gear will I be able to go to a pet store and find my chimpanzee half way through the evolutionary stage?

What about if I refuse to do that and refuse to listen to propagandists?

Armies of smart folks all over the internet to give us free mental diagnoses.  Where were they when the fascist regimes boldly showed their true colors?  Where were they when America trembled because of No-Fly-Zones?

Were they living on forums and spent a great deal of time on "nutcases" while the most ridiculous wars and security policies were being developed that the fascists always had?

Maybe the finfoil hat can be ordered by the Russia.  They weren't dumb enough to even financially destroy themselves chasing no-fly-zones.  It's obvious their propagandists came over here.

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,04:06   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Jan. 20 2009,04:12)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,22:45)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

I ain't never seen the connection 'twixt Hovind and the Iraq War afore.  Dayum!

Argumentum ad Youtubium, no less!  How can we argue with that?

Before it happened you could a said, "Dayum!  I ain't never seen a war against No-Fly-Zones before!

You wanted to be innovative, well then so can people who differ.

The only connection with Hovind and the Iraq War is that Hovind didn't cause it, and humans would be far more concerned about it and the tinfoil hats that created it instead of living and attacking the solutions to America's problems who caused America no problem.

I don't care about Hovind not filing his taxes.  Only hellfire can alert a propagandist to purchase a tinfoil hat so that he can understand that Hovind has no part in destroying America even through draining the treasury.

I cannot convert the same propagandists that dominated the communist and nazi regimes by giving them common sense.  They are trained to cause problems and to attack the solutions.

They are trained to make it impossible for us to find out how to go to a pet store and purchase my chimpanzee evolved half way between himself and me.  No one can make propagandists focus on the issues when he knows his persistent lies are being destroyed.

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,04:11   

Steady now!  Steady!  The adrenaline is moving because more victims for mental diagnoses by propagandists are here!

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,04:20   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,23:45)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

As my kentucky christian conservative relatives warn me to move away from the newly-constructed cell tower nearby, and I think about how cell signals are radio signals, I'm tempted to warn them to cover their heads in tinfoil...but it would be too painful to watch them do that, so I don't....

   
tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,05:36   

Are we supposed to even care about the color of your panties on a thread talking about Kent Hovind?

Maybe all the questions are first answered by the people who respect the readers and the American people.  Folks descended from regimes that even ran concentration camps are bound to show, even in discussion, that they don't respect the human race that are free.

I know what the subject and topic in discussion is.  It is not because the propagandists of treason are jealous that everyone else wears tinfoil hats.

In the discussion, evolution was proven false.  The reason why many other subjects easily solved appear not to be is because propagandists are oathed to make sure no one understands the solutions even to simple contentions.

I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.  I cannot buy anything that evolved half way between that chimpanzee and myself. :O  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,07:29   

Ok Tmac1238, I have one question: how was evolution proven false?

Just the details of that please. No ramblings about what the Iraq war was really about, how Kent Hovind was not a big problem for America or anything to do with tinfoil. Just give us, in as succinct and precise a manner as possible, how evolution was proven false.

Louis

P.S. Hint: not being able to buy a half chimp/half human from a pet store doesn't count. Just FYI.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,08:30   

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I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,09:08   

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Folks descended from regimes that even ran concentration camps are bound to show, even in discussion, that they don't respect the human race that are free.


tmac, is English your first language?  If so, I have no idea what you are trying to say here.  Surely you are familiar with how the US set up internment camps for not only Japanese nationals, but also for US citizens of Japanese descent.   I tried following some of the links you posted, but the web design of those pages shows a lot of the typical problems of sites of that stripe.

But please do answer Louis and Richard's questions first.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:13   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 05 2009,07:29)
Ok Tmac1238, I have one question: how was evolution proven false?

Just the details of that please. No ramblings about what the Iraq war was really about, how Kent Hovind was not a big problem for America or anything to do with tinfoil. Just give us, in as succinct and precise a manner as possible, how evolution was proven false.

Louis

P.S. Hint: not being able to buy a half chimp/half human from a pet store doesn't count. Just FYI.

How do you prove that anyone who disagrees with you wear tinfoil hats?

No ramblings about how people who start false wars through fear of no-fly-zones shouldn't fear black helicopters instead.  No ramblings about why there's no free mental evaluations against such people.  No ramblings about why anyone should live on forums to tackle with the idea about how people who oppose such lunacy affects yourself and your family.

P.S.  Hint: people who, unlike you, cannot buy a half chimp/half human from a pet store are not supposed to count.  Just FYI.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:15   

Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 05 2009,08:30)
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I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:17   

There will be no reasoning with this one I suspect

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tmac1238
http://answers.yahoo.com/my/profile?show=SMUVqBASaa

And I suspect he's wearing a turkey foil hat, it's alot thicker don't ya know!

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:20   

Bush, Kent Hovind and the American treasury!

One of these destroyed the American treasury and one of these hates the American Constitution.  That same person who did this would be relatively untouched by propagandists on the internet and everywhere else.

The American people sang:

"Na na nah, nah!  Na na nah, nah!  Hey hey hey!  Good bye!" to only one of these people.  They hardly know a thing about anybody else that wasted or stole their money.  They don't know a thing about buying a half evolved chimp from any pet store.

What do you know about that!  Survival of the fittest!  The chimpanzee survived the evolutionary challenges, but the more evolved who were getting better got lost in the sauce!

They weren't smart enough to survive!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:28   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,10:17)
There will be no reasoning with this one I suspect

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tmac1238
http://answers.yahoo.com/my/profile?show=SMUVqBASaa

And I suspect he's wearing a turkey foil hat, it's alot thicker don't ya know!

You can reason with this one or anyone if you're not a trained propagandist.  The first way, with respect to those who read, is to answer why no one can buy a half evolved chimpanzee making its way to fuller development up to a human from a pet store or anywhere else.  Tackling that first, in respect to the readers would be a good first step.

Next would be to answer for them why, as typical, the idea of never arguing with a fool lest people may not know the difference between that person and you, would make sense.  There are plenty all over the internet who spend far more time mentally diagnosing people rather than showing which university gave them their credentials to do that than serving the time and respect of the readers to simply deal with the questions that are posed.  

Maybe if such people really protected the American people and the world from something we would not be jailing Kent Hovind for any kind of American treasury or tax issue, but would be jailing someone else who did worse than failing to file taxes, like just in one example, allowing 9 billion dollars to just disappear in Iraq.

The American people would go OUCH in the second example.  Fascists would go OUCH in the first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:32   

WHAAAAAAA!  WHAAAAAA!!  tmac has no profile!  America always wants to know the profile of a nutcase!  We wanted it always through history...

Even before da patriot wact!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:44   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,16:13)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 05 2009,07:29)
Ok Tmac1238, I have one question: how was evolution proven false?

Just the details of that please. No ramblings about what the Iraq war was really about, how Kent Hovind was not a big problem for America or anything to do with tinfoil. Just give us, in as succinct and precise a manner as possible, how evolution was proven false.

Louis

P.S. Hint: not being able to buy a half chimp/half human from a pet store doesn't count. Just FYI.

How do you prove that anyone who disagrees with you wear tinfoil hats?

No ramblings about how people who start false wars through fear of no-fly-zones shouldn't fear black helicopters instead.  No ramblings about why there's no free mental evaluations against such people.  No ramblings about why anyone should live on forums to tackle with the idea about how people who oppose such lunacy affects yourself and your family.

P.S.  Hint: people who, unlike you, cannot buy a half chimp/half human from a pet store are not supposed to count.  Just FYI.

I don't prove, or try to prove that anyone who disagrees with me wears a tinfoil hat. Far from it. The rest of your post is the irrelevant nonsense I politely asked you to avoid.

Now just answer the question please: How has evolution been proven wrong?

Please give examples, details and appropriate definitions.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:44   

President Bush, at the very least, not only failed to report 9 billion dollars of lost revenue in taxes, but many other things disappeared as well!

4400 soldiers disappeared.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis vanished!  We went into Iraq to save innocent lives and came out destroying far more than Saddam Hussein ever did!

Do you know the Third Reich also had this terrible bad luck and disease?

Most of American integrity and reputation also vanished!

After we spent that much time fighting a war against a defeated dictator in No-Fly-Zones, then someone came up with the idea that we should attack Iran!  Our performance with a dictator already defeated proves to them we can do better against a country that is not already defeated.  In every case we hear crickets as the only thing making noise when it is time to know who is really eligible to wear tinfoil hats!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:48   

I'm not fascist, Louis.

Just ignore all nutcases.  All of history proves I can never prove anything to you.

You just play with your half evolved chimp you bought at the pet store in your bath tub if you have anything else to play with there.

I've answered the question.  If you don't believe that, then only hellfire can cure you and armies of people like you.  Have a good day kid and continue to tackle the problems of America.  You better hurry, cos right while Kent Hovind is in jail, there's hardly anything left for America.

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http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC....apI.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Iraq War:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar....war.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Patriot Act:
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:49   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:15)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 05 2009,08:30)
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I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

Is that even supposed to make sense?  If there were pet stores around 7-5 million years ago, maybe there might be a store where you could buy one, but not now (even genetic testing on the "humanzee" indicated 100% chimpanzee).  (Without reading back through Alex Jones/Richard Hoagland territory) is the half-human/half-chimp an attempt to say we found Bush in a pet store?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:52   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:28)
.  The first way, with respect to those who read, is to answer why no one can buy a half evolved chimpanzee making its way to fuller development up to a human from a pet store or anywhere else.

Your ignorance is palpable.

A) There is no such thing as "half evolved". Everything is "evolved".
B) There is no such thing as "fuller development". Evolution is not aiming towards anything in particular.

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:52   

Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 05 2009,10:49)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:15)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 05 2009,08:30)
 
Quote
I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

Is that even supposed to make sense?  If there were pet stores around 7-5 million years ago, maybe there might be a store where you could buy one, but not now (even genetic testing on the "humanzee" indicated 100% chimpanzee).  (Without reading back through Alex Jones/Richard Hoagland territory) is the half-human/half-chimp an attempt to say we found Bush in a pet store?

You mean there were no pet stores 5 to 7 million years ago so we can't buy half evolved chimpanzees, but we can buy the earlier start and buy chimps at pet stores today?

You mean America destroyed itself chasing no-fly-zones and you're going out of your mind that everything else makes no sense???

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:56   

Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 05 2009,10:49)

Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?

What's the difference between a hard-boiled egg?

I know you can!


KC

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:56   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,16:48)
I'm not fascist, Louis.

Just ignore all nutcases.  All of history proves I can never prove anything to you.

You just play with your half evolved chimp you bought at the pet store in your bath tub if you have anything else to play with there.

I've answered the question.  If you don't believe that, then only hellfire can cure you and armies of people like you.  Have a good day kid and continue to tackle the problems of America.  You better hurry, cos right while Kent Hovind is in jail, there's hardly anything left for America.

Sorry Tmac, I must have missed your answer. Where did you show that evolution has been proven false?

Could you either point me to it specifically or type it out again please.

I'm not interested in whether or not you're a fascist or anything to do with Kent Hovind, the Iraq war or hell. I only want you to clearly, unambiguously show that evolution has been proven false. You claimed it, you support it.

Thanks

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:56   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,10:52)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:28)
.  The first way, with respect to those who read, is to answer why no one can buy a half evolved chimpanzee making its way to fuller development up to a human from a pet store or anywhere else.

Your ignorance is palpable.

A) There is no such thing as "half evolved". Everything is "evolved".
B) There is no such thing as "fuller development". Evolution is not aiming towards anything in particular.

How then did America chasing defeated dictators in no-fly-zones, escape your brainwaves.

What then would intelligent fascist propagandists save America from then?  Show America first where ignorance is by protecting her from the fear of defeated dictators in no-fly-zones.

Show America first where to buy half evolved chimpanzees (in the evolutionary scale to the humans through the ages) and how to stay on the topics.

Show America why people who chase no-fly-zones should be supported while "ignorant" people should make propagandists lose sleep.

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http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC....apI.htm
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,10:59   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,04:11)
Steady now!  Steady!  The adrenaline is moving because more victims for mental diagnoses by propagandists are here!

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

1.  Both are criminally liable, and both should go to jail.  Whether it will happen...depends.  One does not have to ruin a country to be a criminal.  The faults of our legal system has nothing to do with releasing one criminal because another doesn't get prosecuted.  

2.  Most people didn't know his name because they weren't fundamentalist loonies.  Has nothing to do with him not being a criminal.  One of my students neighbors had to be stopped from killing his wife.  If you don't know his name, does that mean he can go free?  Hovind was a liar, and it is a shame he can't be prosecuted for lying to children, and adults who don't know enough to tell he was full of it.  I've got Hovinds paranoid delusions that passes for videos.  Haven't looked at them in great detail, but saw enough to show that he didn't just lack both oars in the water, he lacked a boat.

3.  It makes more sense now, but still shows a lack of understanding of evolution.  As (I'm reasonably sure) somebody has already corrected this, I'll just say that chimps and humans split apart, going separate ways.  Chimps would not evolve into humans unless they were subjected to the exact same pressures and mutations that our branch was.  This linear progression leading to humans is so...quaint.  It would work with a 19th century conception of evolution, but has nothing to do with reality.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:00   

Quote (Louis @ Feb. 05 2009,10:56)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,16:48)
I'm not fascist, Louis.

Just ignore all nutcases.  All of history proves I can never prove anything to you.

You just play with your half evolved chimp you bought at the pet store in your bath tub if you have anything else to play with there.

I've answered the question.  If you don't believe that, then only hellfire can cure you and armies of people like you.  Have a good day kid and continue to tackle the problems of America.  You better hurry, cos right while Kent Hovind is in jail, there's hardly anything left for America.

Sorry Tmac, I must have missed your answer. Where did you show that evolution has been proven false?

Could you either point me to it specifically or type it out again please.

I'm not interested in whether or not you're a fascist or anything to do with Kent Hovind, the Iraq war or hell. I only want you to clearly, unambiguously show that evolution has been proven false. You claimed it, you support it.

Thanks

Louis

I'm sorry Louis, but I missed your answer.  Where did you prove that people wear tinfoil hats because they don't know or care about Kent Hovind and don't believe his failure to pay taxes has destroyed the American treasury over no-fly-zones?

Where did you prove that fascists will understand the simplest reason and logic?  Can you point me to it specifically or type it out please?  Before you do that, stop playing with your half-evolved chimpanzee in the evolutionary transformation time period.

I'm not interested in whether or not evolutionists can see that evolution is false or the hellfire coming.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:01   

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Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

As my kentucky christian conservative relatives warn me to move away from the newly-constructed cell tower nearby, and I think about how cell signals are radio signals, I'm tempted to warn them to cover their heads in tinfoil...but it would be too painful to watch them do that, so I don't....

I like the fact that tinfoil hats were shown to actually be better as receptors.  When that study came out, I LMAO'd.  

Of course, the US Army had every citizen installed with radio receivers in our posteriors, or haven't you heard?  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:02   

I think tmac1238 is a bot. Some kind of poorly written code for making semi coherent comments. Either that or it's "troutmac".

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:02   

Disjointed conspiracy mongering will get you nowhere. No fly zones have nothing to do with evolution. Black helicopters have nothing to do with evolution. In fact, precious little of what you've written so far is even tangentially connected to evolution.

You need to focus for your writings to make any sense at all to a third party.

ETA: Because despite what you may think, WE ARE NOT INSIDE YOUR HEAD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:05   

Fuck it, I'm bored, the grinding paperwork is dulling my senses, I'm going to have me some fun.

Hey Tmac,

Banana Republic contra insurgents don't evolve half chimps. They form the ring species of secret FBI wardrobes and tickle communists stealthily. Don't you agree?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:09   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,08:15)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 05 2009,08:30)
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I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

That does it. He's convinced me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:09   

Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 05 2009,10:59)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,04:11)
Steady now!  Steady!  The adrenaline is moving because more victims for mental diagnoses by propagandists are here!

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

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1.  Both are criminally liable, and both should go to jail.  Whether it will happen...depends.  One does not have to ruin a country to be a criminal.  The faults of our legal system has nothing to do with releasing one criminal because another doesn't get prosecuted.


Show us the posts where the emphasis was on Bush going to jail as compared to the other man who did no damage to the American treasury system to make Halliburton executives not able to touch their toes.

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2.  Most people didn't know his name because they weren't fundamentalist loonies.


I can't believe this profound truth!  RIGHT!  America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name or care because they are not fundamental loonies!

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Has nothing to do with him not being a criminal.  One of my students neighbors had to be stopped from killing his wife.  If you don't know his name, does that mean he can go free?


If you know his name and can't have sex because of him while America falls because of someone whose name everyone knows, does that mean the ones who does more damage should suffer a lack of posts of concern over the internet by evolutionists?

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Hovind was a liar, and it is a shame he can't be prosecuted for lying to children, and adults who don't know enough to tell he was full of it.


Hmmm!  This bastard hates liars and found WMDS!!

Quote
I've got Hovinds paranoid delusions that passes for videos.  Haven't looked at them in great detail, but saw enough to show that he didn't just lack both oars in the water, he lacked a boat.


Why couldn't you help Bush find his WMDs?

Quote
3.  It makes more sense now, but still shows a lack of understanding of evolution.  As (I'm reasonably sure) somebody has already corrected this, I'll just say that chimps and humans split apart, going separate ways.  Chimps would not evolve into humans unless they were subjected to the exact same pressures and mutations that our branch was.  This linear progression leading to humans is so...quaint.  It would work with a 19th century conception of evolution, but has nothing to do with reality.


But fascists evolved to complaining exessively about liar loonies Kent Hovind while America falls because he failed to pay his taxes?

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,04:11)
Steady now!  Steady!  The adrenaline is moving because more victims for mental diagnoses by propagandists are here!

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

Quote
1.  Both are criminally liable, and both should go to jail.  Whether it will happen...depends.  One does not have to ruin a country to be a criminal.  The faults of our legal system has nothing to do with releasing one criminal because another doesn't get prosecuted.


Show us the posts where the emphasis was on Bush going to jail as compared to the other man who did no damage to the American treasury system to make Halliburton executives not able to touch their toes.

Quote
2.  Most people didn't know his name because they weren't fundamentalist loonies.


I can't believe this profound truth!  RIGHT!  America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name or care because they are not fundamental loonies!

Quote
Has nothing to do with him not being a criminal.  One of my students neighbors had to be stopped from killing his wife.  If you don't know his name, does that mean he can go free?


If you know his name and can't have sex because of him while America falls because of someone whose name everyone knows, does that mean the ones who does more damage should suffer a lack of posts of concern over the internet by evolutionists?

Quote
Hovind was a liar, and it is a shame he can't be prosecuted for lying to children, and adults who don't know enough to tell he was full of it.


Hmmm!  This bastard hates liars and found WMDS!!

Quote
I've got Hovinds paranoid delusions that passes for videos.  Haven't looked at them in great detail, but saw enough to show that he didn't just lack both oars in the water, he lacked a boat.


Why couldn't you help Bush find his WMDs?

Quote
3.  It makes more sense now, but still shows a lack of understanding of evolution.  As (I'm reasonably sure) somebody has already corrected this, I'll just say that chimps and humans split apart, going separate ways.  Chimps would not evolve into humans unless they were subjected to the exact same pressures and mutations that our branch was.  This linear progression leading to humans is so...quaint.  It would work with a 19th century conception of evolution, but has nothing to do with reality.


But fascists evolved to complaining exessively about liar loonies Kent Hovind while America falls because he failed to pay his taxes?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:10   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:56)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,10:52)
 
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:28)
.  The first way, with respect to those who read, is to answer why no one can buy a half evolved chimpanzee making its way to fuller development up to a human from a pet store or anywhere else.

Your ignorance is palpable.

A) There is no such thing as "half evolved". Everything is "evolved".
B) There is no such thing as "fuller development". Evolution is not aiming towards anything in particular.

How then did America chasing defeated dictators in no-fly-zones, escape your brainwaves.

What then would intelligent fascist propagandists save America from then?  Show America first where ignorance is by protecting her from the fear of defeated dictators in no-fly-zones.

Show America first where to buy half evolved chimpanzees (in the evolutionary scale to the humans through the ages) and how to stay on the topics.

Show America why people who chase no-fly-zones should be supported while "ignorant" people should make propagandists lose sleep.

I vote bot.

Let's see

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:16   

Quote (dnmlthr @ Feb. 05 2009,11:02)
Disjointed conspiracy mongering will get you nowhere. No fly zones have nothing to do with evolution. Black helicopters have nothing to do with evolution. In fact, precious little of what you've written so far is even tangentially connected to evolution.

You need to focus for your writings to make any sense at all to a third party.

ETA: Because despite what you may think, WE ARE NOT INSIDE YOUR HEAD.

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Disjointed conspiracy mongering will get you nowhere.


Even with all these swarming posts of paranoia.  If I didn't know any better I'd swear you guys believe I know where the WMDs are!

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No fly zones have nothing to do with evolution.


It has alot to do with taxes and the issue of what Kent Hovind has done to damage America shown by the number of posts that believe he did something terrible to it while America is falling.

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Black helicopters have nothing to do with evolution.


It's what tinfoil hat wearers fear in contrast to what treasonous propagandists everywhere on the internet fear:  no-fly-zones.  It is not likely that the first fear the "conspiracy theorists" have did anything to destroy America.

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In fact, precious little of what you've written so far is even tangentially connected to evolution.


And how would the readers know that with the great concern the crusaders against loonies and tinfoil hat wearers have shown because of what I've written?  Did these loonies know in advance that Saddam Hussein was not tangentially connected to 911?

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You need to focus for your writings to make any sense at all to a third party.


Rather than shutting up so America can make more sense and track WMDs in Iran!  If a lack of sense can attract the servants of the Antichrist, why is America and the globe blessed with good sense?

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ETA: Because despite what you may think, WE ARE NOT INSIDE YOUR HEAD.


How can I be there?  The WMDs already go to your heads!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:20   

I also think it is a bot because......

ZOMG! LOOK OUT!



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:23   

I love the internet.  I can be entertained by this comedian at my desk at 9:20 in the morning.  Back in the old days, you used to have to sit on a bus after the pubs closed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:27   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,11:10)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:56)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,10:52)
   
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:28)
.  The first way, with respect to those who read, is to answer why no one can buy a half evolved chimpanzee making its way to fuller development up to a human from a pet store or anywhere else.

Your ignorance is palpable.

A) There is no such thing as "half evolved". Everything is "evolved".
B) There is no such thing as "fuller development". Evolution is not aiming towards anything in particular.

How then did America chasing defeated dictators in no-fly-zones, escape your brainwaves.

What then would intelligent fascist propagandists save America from then?  Show America first where ignorance is by protecting her from the fear of defeated dictators in no-fly-zones.

Show America first where to buy half evolved chimpanzees (in the evolutionary scale to the humans through the ages) and how to stay on the topics.

Show America why people who chase no-fly-zones should be supported while "ignorant" people should make propagandists lose sleep.

I vote bot.

Let's see

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Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

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Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2009,12:10)
  I vote bot.

Let's see

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If you disrespect the human race like people before you who ran concentration camps to post this off the topic insult, then you shouldn't be posting this to those readers you disrespect.  Are you trying to make the widest number of readers read your crap?

If you can't stand people posting "nonsense," how are you going to alleviate that problem: more prove it is you who has the intestines to post nonsense?  If that is a concern for you guys, I suggest you don't add to it, or, in essence, prove it is you who are trained to post nonsense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:34   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 05 2009,11:23)
I love the internet.  I can be entertained by this comedian at my desk at 9:20 in the morning.  Back in the old days, you used to have to sit on a bus after the pubs closed.

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

WOW!  We came here to find out that someone loves the internet when "loonies" crush his lies!  If only I didn't beat you guys.  Loonies would not be so attractive then!

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Public Death Threats Against All non-Catholics Detects all Propagandists:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC....apI.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Iraq War:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar....war.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Patriot Act:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/patriot....act.htm

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:38   

FOCUS AGAIN:  

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.  Somebody else drained it chasing No-Fly-Zones and forgot to file taxes against Halliburton and other companies that became very rich as America was being ravaged.

2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

Propagandist:  WOW!  I need so many things when my lies are being destroyed!  I need smilies, avatars, lessons in Latin and Greek!  I need everything except documentation of how I got my psychiatrist license!

"O America would be brighter!

Oh I know she would be wiser if I only had a brain!"

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Public Death Threats Against All non-Catholics Detects all Propagandists:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC....apI.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Iraq War:
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:44   

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:47   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:34)

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.

Ofcourse he didn't, he ain't the only taxpayer. But that doesn't mean that what he did isn't a criminal offence.

     
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2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

That doesn't mean that Hovind is not spreading lies and bullshit about certain scientific things.

     
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3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

And this shows that you do not know how evolution and evolutional theory works. Go grab a biology textbook, but because I'm a nice guy I'll explain it briefly: we did not evolve from chimpansees, chimpansees and humans just share a common ancestor: a certain primate species diverged in several other primate species, for example chimpansees and humans. Ofcourse you won't find any of those ancestors in pet shops, because they're extinct. You can however, find them in musea.

 
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I love the internet.  I can be entertained by this comedian at my desk at 9:20 in the morning.  Back in the old days, you used to have to sit on a bus after the pubs closed.

Pfff, this guy is nothing, heck even hereoisreal is crazier, although a lot more friendly and funnier.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:52   

He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,11:57   

Quote (Assassinator @ Feb. 05 2009,11:47)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:34)

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.

Ofcourse he didn't, he ain't the only taxpayer. But that doesn't mean that what he did isn't a criminal offence.

 
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2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

That doesn't mean that Hovind is not spreading lies and bullshit about certain scientific things.

 
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3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

And this shows that you do not know how evolution and evolutional theory works. Go grab a biology textbook, but because I'm a nice guy I'll explain it briefly: we did not evolve from chimpansees, chimpansees and humans just share a common ancestor: a certain primate species diverged in several other primate species, for example chimpansees and humans. Ofcourse you won't find any of those ancestors in pet shops, because they're extinct. You can however, find them in musea.

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:34)

1.  Kent Hovind did not drain the US treasury because he didn't file taxes.

Ofcourse he didn't, he ain't the only taxpayer. But that doesn't mean that what he did isn't a criminal offence.

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Repeat to the propagandist:  Where are your posts against the worst criminal offense that destroyed America, unlike even Kent Hovind's which were not criminal actions before 1913?  Bush's actions were criminal against a free country for the entire existence of the planet.

 
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2.  Most of America doesn't know Kent Hovind's name.  That's because he didn't cause America any trouble.  That is a vast field of tinfoil hats who should have realized that everyday they go to bed, Kent Hovinds should be jumping over them.

That doesn't mean that Hovind is not spreading lies and bullshit about certain scientific things.

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Again to the persistent propagandist who does not flip-flop:  If lies eats a propagandist, he would have protected us from no-fly-zones and from the Patriot Act, providing "TOOLS" to protect America with that the Inquisitions, the Communists and the Nazis always had and used to TERRORIZE their people with.

That should mean that science and intelligent people should have protected America from destroying herself chasing no-fly-zones well before it protected her from Kent Hovind.

 
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3.  I still couldn't find my chimpanzee at a pet store evolved half way between himself and me.  Twill be very difficult to provide for the lurking propagandist the impetus to show us theirs.

And this shows that you do not know how evolution and evolutional theory works. Go grab a biology textbook, but because I'm a nice guy I'll explain it briefly: we did not evolve from chimpansees, chimpansees and humans just share a common ancestor: a certain primate species diverged in several other primate species, for example chimpansees and humans. Ofcourse you won't find any of those ancestors in pet shops, because they're extinct. You can however, find them in musea.

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Repeat to the Big Lie Theory Propagandist:  If there is a common ancestor we are still supposed to witness the evolved stages instead of just having the finished product (human beings) and the originating product (amoeba or whatever cow droppings).

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:00   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:52)
He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru.

Are you propagandists concerned about nonsense posts?  You said that you were!

Maybe your actions will speak louder than your lies!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:02   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,12:00)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:52)
He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru.

Are you propagandists concerned about nonsense posts?  You said that you were!

Maybe your actions will speak louder than your lies!

Bot -- meaty, but "programmed" and trolling,  nonetheless. I'd confine it to this thread. :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:05   

Readers:  the ones that respect you are the ones that are on your side and are not fascist propagandists.

The Communists and the Nazis had propaganda teams with their secret courts, secret trials, detention camps, government snooping and torture.  Since we followed them and adopted these "TOOLS" they used to terrorize their people with, you should know that we would have a propaganda team also.

If we evolved from lower species, that would mean that each advancing result was better and smarter AND WOULD MORE LIKELY SURVIVE!  If we evolved from amoeba, there is no reason why amoeba should be here with us and all other advancements should be missing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:07   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 05 2009,12:02)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,12:00)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 05 2009,11:52)
He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru.

Are you propagandists concerned about nonsense posts?  You said that you were!

Maybe your actions will speak louder than your lies!

Bot -- meaty, but "programmed" and trolling,  nonetheless. I'd confine it to this thread. :)

Let see now.  The fascist propagandists protect us from "conspiracy theorists", no-fly-zones, defeated dictators, spam, and people who fail to file their taxes!

Good thing they're keeping America afloat!

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The Actual Purpose of the Iraq War:
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The Actual Purpose of the Patriot Act:
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:09   

If you want to talk about Hovind, talk about Hovind. If you want to discuss evolution, discuss evolution.

Your black helicopters and WMDs are off topic, annoying, and about to land you next to Daniel on the BW.

Fair warning.

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tmac1238



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:11   

I'm gone!

There is just too much fair warnings that protect America!

"He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru."

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Public Death Threats Against All non-Catholics Detects all Propagandists:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/AC....apI.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Iraq War:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/iraqwar....war.htm
The Actual Purpose of the Patriot Act:
http://www.TheirSecrets.info/patriot....act.htm

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:13   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,12:11)
I'm gone!

There is just too much fair warnings that protect America!

"He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru."

Buh-bye, trolly. By the way, that passage was all about a little monkey.   ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:56   

I don't even want to see him on the wall.  It's not cute, not fun, it's not funny, it's just taking up bandwidth and wasting our time.

Please send him to UD or the DI where he'll fit right in.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:57   

tmac1238  
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I'm gone!

That was quick. I'll add this anyway.
 
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Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

Check out fossil skulls.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:01   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:13)
Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,12:11)
I'm gone!

There is just too much fair warnings that protect America!

"He Maki nui ta tetahi hereman i runga i tona kaipuke. Ka pakaru te kaipuke ka hoe nga heremana I runga i nga poti, engari kahore i mauria e ratou te Maki. Ka totohu te kaipuke ka teretere noa iho ia i runga i nga ngaru."

Buh-bye, trolly. By the way, that passage was all about a little monkey.   ;)

Maori?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:05   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 05 2009,13:01)
Maori?

Arden: yup -- I picked up bits and pieces of a few languages during the last year.  

I also did a whois on that site of t-mac's and he's got some real issues; http://www.mindfrost82.com/showthread.php?t=365300 . I'm going to stay away from that level of delusion.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:15   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:42   

wtf was all that

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,13:48   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,14:42)
wtf was all that

A disturbance in The Force?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,14:21   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,13:42)
wtf was all that

A F1 tardnado.  It's gone now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,15:29   

Okay, let's shimmy back in scope, people. Look over here! *Distracts*
 
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Question: Are Kent and Jo Hovind sitting in federal prisons today because they are Fundamental/ evangelical Christians and Tim Geithner, Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, Marion Barry, Wesley Snipes are all free because they are privileged, powerful, prosperous?

Don't you mean...prosperous Darwinists, Donny Boy(s)?

It ends interestingly:
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Where is the outrage from all decent, honest, fair-minded people over the injustice of it all? And the Fundamentalist/evangelical wimps who are incapable of showing a little anger are a disgrace to the cause of Christ and should rush to identify with churches that have no convictions.

Yes, let's now bunker down (oops, I meant hunker) and invoke the Armeeabteilung Steiner to attack the forces of evil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:22   

Quote (tmac1238 @ Feb. 05 2009,10:52)
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I can buy a chimpanzee from a pet store showing the supposed start of evolution.

tmac1238; why do you think our evolution started with, or even passed through, chimpanzees?

Why would anyone think your evolution didn't start with champanzees, but when it got to chimpanzees, it suddenly made a catastrophic leap and bypassed everything between a chimp and man at the pet store?

Is that even supposed to make sense?  If there were pet stores around 7-5 million years ago, maybe there might be a store where you could buy one, but not now (even genetic testing on the "humanzee" indicated 100% chimpanzee).  (Without reading back through Alex Jones/Richard Hoagland territory) is the half-human/half-chimp an attempt to say we found Bush in a pet store?

You mean there were no pet stores 5 to 7 million years ago so we can't buy half evolved chimpanzees, but we can buy the earlier start and buy chimps at pet stores today?

You mean America destroyed itself chasing no-fly-zones and you're going out of your mind that everything else makes no sense???

This is fun!  Hopefully the post I saw in the bathroom wall doesn't mean you scampered off.

How can we buy an "earlier start" since it disappeared (while it's descendants evolved) at least 5 million years ago.  Does the pet store have a time machine?  Is it run by Time Lords?  As for buying chimps in pet stores, I believe that is illegal based on what I know of importation laws, but I really could be mistaken on that.  Haven't bothered to check up (my roommate will not let me get any monkeys or apes - she's a vet tech and doesn't want the special requirements, or maybe cleaning up the poo flung, which is why I come to boards like this - all we have is virtual poo).

Anyway, I think you shouldn't talk about "going out of your mind".  Devote a bit of going "back into your mind", and you'll have made a start.  Actually, since you seem to repeat a lot of Alex Jones paranoid nonsense (black helicopters, etc - did you mention chemtrails, or the prison camps built in the US that we were all put into in the takeover by the New World Order back in 2000...oh, wait, that never happened, did it?).  

Really, try to maintain some sense of logic or order.  While the Joker can be fun to watch, if you like that sort of thing, replicating his thought processes is not the way to go.  Of course, you could be replicating Hovinds delusional ramblings with God, so you could be doing worse than you are.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:26   

Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 05 2009,10:56)
[quote=Badger3k,Feb. 05 2009,10:49][/quote]
Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?

What's the difference between a hard-boiled egg?

I know you can!


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:32   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 05 2009,11:23)
I love the internet.  I can be entertained by this comedian at my desk at 9:20 in the morning.  Back in the old days, you used to have to sit on a bus after the pubs closed.

Actually, all I need to do is catch a few of my students after they smoked before class.  I bet I can hear some of the same disjointed ramblings.  I am just to this post, but I don't think it's a bot, just some stoner whose managed to get online.  It is pretty funny, like listening to the poor guy with a shopping cart and the shabby clothes living under the train tracks to protect himself from Trolls and Space CIA Aliens, only without the human tragedy.

Hmm - could this be Hovind off his meds?  Of course, this could be Poe, but that is a bit depressing - it's more fun to think this is serious (although that is tragic in it's own right).

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:44   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 05 2009,16:29)
Okay, let's shimmy back in scope, people. Look over here! *Distracts*
   
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Question: Are Kent and Jo Hovind sitting in federal prisons today because they are Fundamental/ evangelical Christians and Tim Geithner, Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, Marion Barry, Wesley Snipes are all free because they are privileged, powerful, prosperous?

Don't you mean...prosperous Darwinists, Donny Boy(s)?

I actually feel sorry for poor Jo Hovind. Living in the south I see a lot of poor women who are trying to get by who are in thrall to their idiot husbands, and suffer the consequences.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,01:54   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 06 2009,01:44)
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 05 2009,16:29)
Okay, let's shimmy back in scope, people. Look over here! *Distracts*
   
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Question: Are Kent and Jo Hovind sitting in federal prisons today because they are Fundamental/ evangelical Christians and Tim Geithner, Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, Marion Barry, Wesley Snipes are all free because they are privileged, powerful, prosperous?

Don't you mean...prosperous Darwinists, Donny Boy(s)?

I actually feel sorry for poor Jo Hovind. Living in the south I see a lot of poor women who are trying to get by who are in thrall to their idiot husbands, and suffer the consequences.

There is hope, though.  A lot of the women I see are getting smarter, but that's still just a fraction.  The influence of the Southern Baptists and their male dominance trip is still a big factor in repressing women.  Funny thing, listening to the Atheist Experience, I think they mentioned Hovind and his explanation of the Fall, which had Eve being so stupid the snake duped her, and Adam (heroically) sacrificed himself to be with her, which really makes him the bigger idiot.  

I did meet some very concerned people at the Texas Freedom Network's leadership seminar last weekend, including some very capable high school students interested in women's issues.  At least here in Texas, we are making some progress, albeit slowly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,10:04   

There should be prosecutions of Halliburton executives, and large numbers of the former White House. But, Halliburton moved off-shore and will probably go totally free. There should be outrage at murder committed by private armies funded by US tax dollars. But, this has nothing to do with science.

The proposed budget cuts in science are also outrageous.

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 06 2009,08:06

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2009,05:08   

Quote (khan @ Feb. 05 2009,13:48)
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wtf was all that

A disturbance in The Force?

As if millions of brain cells cried out, and were suddenly silenced...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2009,05:19   

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 07 2009,11:08)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 05 2009,13:48)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 05 2009,14:42)
wtf was all that

A disturbance in The Force?

As if millions of brain cells cried out, and were suddenly silenced...

This post is full of win. You win teh internetz and a POTW (for at least an hour) nominerisation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2009,16:19   

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As if millions of brain cells cried out, and were suddenly silenced...


The farce wasn't with them?

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