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Question: Gawp: Troll or just another IDiot? :: Total Votes:21
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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:46   

Ok, I think it's time we hashed this out.

for as long as he has been hanging about here, GoP has posted stuff that indicates he has some level of intelligence, but then immediately thereafter posts stuff that is just so far off the wall as to make one question his sanity.

so, let this thread be the great debate over whether Occam's suggestion that he's just having fun getting us to think he actually believes things like geocentrism is correct, vs. whether he really is just another creobot with occassional flashes of creativity.

Me, I gotta wonder about someone, who, if he's just trolling for fun, would spend so much time posting such consistent drivel.

I lean towards him being an IDiot, who tries to mask it with occassional attempts at trollish behavior.

but I'll reserve my vote until i hear both sides of the argument.

probably best to provide direct evidence one way or another by reference to his posts.

have fun!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:48   

I voted troll. His behavior is too silly. Foucault? Geocentrism? Scale-free jibber jabber? Please. He's just having fun.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:53   

and yet, take a look at his responses on several threads, like the gay marriage thread (yeah I know that's not the title of it, but gees, that's the content), or his frequent expositions on the evilness of liberalism.

How could somebody have "fun" with that for as long as he has, unless he at least believes part of what he's saying?

what about the crap he always pulls on PT any time a new fossil discovery is discussed, or a bit of morphometrics or cladistics?

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:54   

I voted troll. GOP seems too inteligent to believe the nonsense he posts. Also, he does not spend that long posting here, check the posting dates/times. Seems to specialise in "drive-bys".

  
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:54   

I refuse to vote, when it comes to GOP.  But clearly he's trolling this forum, and he's a sad attention whore.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,10:56   

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I voted troll. GOP seems too inteligent to believe the nonsense he posts. Also, he does not spend that long posting here, check the posting dates/times. Seems to specialise in "drive-bys".


it's not the time/day he spends here, it's the duration in months he's spent here.

Gawp's been posting to ATBC and PT for a long time now.

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ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,11:10   

IDiot. Bill believes his Bible is the source and justification for all knowledge.

I know, it seems impossible to believe. But religious conviction does weird things to people's minds. I imagine Bill suffers a certain amount of cognitive dissonance (and I think his Mathematica meanderings are an artifact of that dissonance), but I think he truly believes what he says he believes. I think it requires a great deal of maintenance for him to keep his belief system intact, which is why he spends a lotta time here.

And that's all the psychoanalyzing I'm going to do today.

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deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,11:25   

I actually think he's both. I went back over as many of his posts as I could, and he reminds me of DaveScot, personally. ID-ist, troll, weird libertarian/conservativism laced with heapin' helpin's of folksiness and pseudoscience...yet oddly seeming to be moderately well-read, which is where he gets into trouble.

Moderately informed won't cut it when you're making grandiose claims

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,13:00   

test

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,13:47   

OK, maybe it would be easier to focus on just one thread.

How about his most recent "model".

Just for fun, or is he really trying to prove a point?

Satire or Satyr?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,14:04   

how would those here read this post of gawp's:

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Are you sure you'll have time to work on your solutionopinion piece whilst preparing your paper and working on your theory of geocentrism.


Your concern is touching..... but relax, Foxy. I may not be good at much, but I can multitask like crazy.


 
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Come on, admit it. You are parodying. No-one can be (apparently) this lucid and yet so completely irrational.


Oh, how the imams must be laughing at your clueless ass. How are my opinions irrational? Remember, this is an American board, so you can't get Big Bro to shut me up - you'll have to support your diatribes with logic n' evidence. Good luck, Monsieur - it's all you can rely on, apparently.


I think this kind of post, so frequent from the mind of gawp, illustrates my confusion on the issue, and why i posted the poll.

what part of the above is he serious about?  what part of it is simply bait?

If it's all just trolling, don't you think he would have gotten bored after so many months?

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jupiter



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2006,16:59   

Gawp's both a troll and an IDiot but my guess is that the thing keeping him tied to these boards is the fact he's a pitiful failure.

He's clever and articulate, with flashes of self-awareness. He clearly enjoys the verbal sparring and intellectual challenge at ATBC and he keeps up reasonably well, within the constraints of his training and prejudices. However, despite his intellectual gifts, he's had little academic or financial success and he's chosen to blame his failures on a cartoonish fantasy of a liberal hegemon. He can't allow himself to admit that the eggheads of LIE-beral academia could possibly educate or enlighten him in any way, yet his native curiosity won't let him just abandon one of the few sources of mental stimulation available to him.

Thordiddy and Larry F. seem to share Gawp's frustration and discontent, but they both operate at much lower wattage and their persistence seems motivated by animosity plus pigheadedness shading into obsession. Neither one is all that far from the tinfoil haberdashery. Dullard that he is, AFDave is relatively successful: he has a position of some authority in his congregation (teaching kids, which proves that God has a crude sense of humor) and he was an Air Force pilot (which you may not have realized, since Dave's so reluctant about tooting his own horn). That's a partial explanation for AFDave's sunny delusions of competence but I suspect that above all, he's a classic example of ignorance being bliss. He'll plow through his self-assigned mission here, moving from triumph to triumph, and then depart to conquer new worlds.

But pity poor Gawp. If he were just a bit dumber, he could join AFDave in unearned but unshakeable self-regard, basking in a Gawpocentric universe. Instead, he's compelled to propose and defend his batty geocentric model; somewhere in that ever-so-slightly overpowered cerebellum, he must recognize this as the humiliating joke it is.

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,01:58   

I vote:  both.

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,14:35   

OK, it seems clear we can't rule out that gawp is an idiot.

An IDiot who trolls, is still an IDiot.

so I have to vote IDiot.

done.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,17:02   

found it. this from larry's blog:
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The Ghost of Paley said...

   Hi. Just wanted to say that I've been posting on P's Thumb for a while and have not experienced any attempts at censorship. This is despite the fact that I've argued scientific and political positions that conflict with the P.T. world view. In my opinion, P's Thumb gave you plenty of freedom to state your case....and you abused that freedom. You flooded many threads with extremely long, repetitive posts; you posted under multiple identities in clear violation of the board rules; and you even attempted to sabotage some threads. Every blog has a right to set its own rules and Wes's actions were reasonable. Larry, as a Holocaust denier you should know the precarious state that liberty's in....why try to trash up a blog that gives both sides a hearing? If you feel that you're being suppressed, go after the governments and bullies that actually threaten our right to free speech. Picking on Wes is stupid, immoral, and counterproductive.
   Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:09:30 PM


I suppose he got his name from this page near the bottom.but I'm not sure why I am blowing his cover. Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2006,18:08   

well, either way, the poll results are ambiguous enough for him to continue as is.

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,08:49   

I'm convinced that GoP is just a troll. I have several reasons to think so :
- In his first posts, he was extremely arrogant, even insulting. Then he became more and more civile. I don't believe that a true fanatic can change this way (see thordude). To me, it looks more like an evolution of trolling strategy.
- His references to the Bible are too scarce for a true YEC (see AFDave).
- Nobody, not even a YEC, can seriously claim this:  
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You fail to understand my ground-breaking theory. [...] Since both humans and apes--and guines pigs too--eat bananas, their alleged "similarities" are based on this. [...] My theory becomes very plausible once the morally and intellectually corrosive dogma is Darwinism is discarded!


If he's a troll, he's darn good!

  
MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,08:53   

Quote (jeannot @ June 11 2006,13:49)
- Nobody, not even a YEC, can seriously claim this:  
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You fail to understand my ground-breaking theory. [...] Since both humans and apes--and guines pigs too--eat bananas, their alleged "similarities" are based on this. [...] My theory becomes very plausible once the morally and intellectually corrosive dogma is Darwinism is discarded!

C'mon now.  One of the strengths of these people is that they can claim anything, as all the evidence against their claims is wrong  :D

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,08:55   

he's pretty obviously trolling, and it's pretty boring. Of course, the situation with non-troll AFDave has gotten pretty boring too.

I need the good stuff. I need claims like typing sentences violates the SLoT. I'm still laughing about that one.

   
jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,09:07   

Quote (MidnightVoice @ June 11 2006,13:53)
C'mon now.  One of the strengths of these people is that they can claim anything, as all the evidence against their claims is wrong  :D

A true YEC would say that genetic similarities result from common design. The idea of genetic similarities caused by diet (bananas) is completely crazy, and it's not even a religious argument.
GoP seems to have some sort of scientific background, he should know that this argument is laughable.

I think he's just having fun here.

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,11:36   

You gotta admit, he has gotten some interesting feedback.

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,11:51   

Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2006,13:55)
I need the good stuff. I need claims like typing sentences violates the SLoT. I'm still laughing about that one.

Banning you also violates the SLoT, but you're still out of here. -dt

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