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Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,11:31    Okay, some of my photos are up at Flickr. I'll post stuff here as well. (I'm at work, I shouldn't be doing this...) -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,12:06    I just want to say right off that in person, Richard Dawkins is really very warm and funny. He’s just uncomfortable with people fawning over him (unlike a certain ID theorist with a bloated CV that I could mention) and only wants to relate to people as an equal and talk about what’s important to him. He has his standoffish moments but I found him to be very approachable and sweet. (He kind of sought me out a bit so I think I can say that we bonded – this was a really good group to be with but there were definitely some irritating personalities aboard.) When we were walking around Santiago (James) Island, the tide was coming in and he and Josh Timonen (webmaster for richarddawkins.net) started imitating Bill O’Reilly: “The tides go up, the tides go down” and laughing. In the panga on the way back to the ship, I noticed a star in the sky and asked if it was Jupiter. Richard said that it was Venus (sorry, Richard, I still think it was Jupiter) and Marcella, our naturalist, exclaimed, “Penis?!” “No, Venus, not penis!” Richard fired back, making her laugh, and I said, “Penis – the evening star.” David, one of the guests who was sitting next to me, cracked, “For me, it’s the morning star.” We were all sniggering as we boarded the ship. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,12:20    Congratulations, and welcome back.  It looks like you had a GREAT time, while we wereall here fighting against the evil forces of darkness that is ID! We managed to rid the world of Falwell, while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King... BUT at least you DID manage to take some good pictures of bare boobies, so thanks! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,12:41    Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2007,11:20) while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King... Don't torture me! He is, ahem, also extremely attractive - and married - and I think he thought of me as a daughter (a lot of people mistook me for being a lot younger than I am), but that's okay, I indulged in my silly little dreamy-dreams anyway. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,13:07    Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,12:41) Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2007,11:20) while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King... Don't torture me! He is, ahem, also extremely attractive - and married - and I think he thought of me as a daughter :( (a lot of people mistook me for being a lot younger than I am), but that's okay, I indulged in my silly little dreamy-dreams anyway. :) Well.... I think you are now totally cured of your TOTALLY UNHEALTHY Dr. Dr. Dembski fixation at last! I know that women are supposed to like bad boys, but Dembksi is soooo creepy. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,13:28    Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,12:41)   Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2007,11:20) while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King... Don't torture me! He is, ahem, also extremely attractive - and married - and I think he thought of me as a daughter (a lot of people mistook me for being a lot younger than I am), but that's okay, I indulged in my silly little dreamy-dreams anyway. Well, lah-de-dah! While you unkempt slobs were grubbing away in your cubicles pretending to work, *I* was down by the equator, swanning around the Galapagos, working on my tan, and drinking margaritas with Richard Dawkins and the finches holding cactus needles in their beaks. Well, LAH DE DAH!   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,13:41    Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2007,12:07) Well.... I think you are now totally cured of your TOTALLY UNHEALTHY Dr. Dr. Dembski fixation at last! I know that women are supposed to like bad boys, but Dembksi is soooo creepy. Dr. Dr. who? Aww, I think Arden missed me. If somebody will be nice, somebody will get shimmies. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,14:01    In this picture, I couldn't help but notice the iguanas are exactly the same color as the volcanic rocks on the beach. So like the bananas that fit my hand so well, so too does this disprove evolution! cha-CHING! USA! USA! USA! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,16:31    Okay, smarty: explain these iguanas. They're pink. *Dangles shimmy enticingly* -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,16:52    Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,16:31) Okay, smarty: explain these iguanas. They're pink. *Dangles shimmy enticingly* Very simple! Darwinists claim that iguanas EVOLVED to be the same color as the rocks. But obviously those iguanas are NOT the same color as the rocks! Therefore, Darwinism is wrong! Darwinism fails! I win again! [pumps fist triumphantly] USA! USA! USA! PS: Has anyone considered the possibility that the rocks evolved to be the same color as the iguanas? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,18:10    In the picture of the "garden"... what are the circles and cone supposed to represent? ...and who is that admiring the cone in the middle? was there a lot of fog; seems like some serious marine layer in several of the pics. you have a good eye, btw, (which might or might not mean something as photography is how i make my living these days).  I really liked the turtle nest shot; decent composition and colors. was it too late to see any of the little guys up close? I also enjoyed the Las Bachas, Santa Cruz shot.  Made me hungry for tropical beaches again. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,22:00    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,17:10) In the picture of the "garden"... what are the circles and cone supposed to represent? ...and who is that admiring the cone in the middle? Good question about what it represents; we didn't know either. The stones formed a spiral to the cone thingie and people walked it like a labyrinth. The man in the photo is George Flynn, on the trip from Chicago with his wife Rita. Rita and I were organizing a trip to the Gold Museum but unfortunately, we ran out of time. Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,17:10) was there a lot of fog; seems like some serious marine layer in several of the pics. There was a lot of fog - it reminded me of being in the mountains of Jamaica. At one point the view of the caldera was completely clear and you could see the farms below (I believe this is still an active volcano! but I didn't have my camera out. Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,17:10) you have a good eye, btw, (which might or might not mean something as photography is how i make my living these days).  I really liked the turtle nest shot; decent composition and colors. Wow. Thanks! Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,17:10) was it too late to see any of the little guys up close? Or too early; we were told to keep to the path since the turtles were nesting. I would have liked to have seen the race to the surf (or maybe not, with the birds plucking them). Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,17:10) I also enjoyed the Las Bachas, Santa Cruz shot.  Made me hungry for tropical beaches again. Oh yeah! I snorkled for the first time in my life and became hooked. The water is colder than in the Caribbean though. There's more to come! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,22:06    Quote I snorkled for the first time in my life and became hooked. welcome my friend, to the show that never ends. I highly recommend you learn to SCUBA (and when you do, I've got some suggestions for places to vist :) ).   completely different world. here's  a (very) few pics of mine (still working on the design): http://home.earthlink.net/~tjneal/ btw, I know that there was a big bruhaha a while back about local and international fisherman breaking the no fishing zone laws around the preserve. did you hear of any updates on that issue while you were there? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,22:37    Yaaaa! That's an eye! Cool pics. Scubaing is expensive, but I'll consider it. Thank you. (I'm going to be paying off this trip for some time now.) Just before we left Toni at the CFI sent us a notice from the Ecuadoran government that they are clamping down on illegal fishing and immigration, but I can't find it. Yes, we heard about the problem from the naturalists, and from the captain when I dined at his table (yes, I also got to dine with the captain!. And that shot of the fishing boat being towed gives you an idea. The problem is huge, and Ecuador doesn't have a huge navy to patrol the waters. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2007,23:08    *sigh* goddamn US govt was SUPPOSED to provide coast guard and monetary aid for this issue over 5 years ago. most likely it will end up being too little, too late. damnit. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2007,13:21    Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,16:31) Okay, smarty: explain these iguanas. They're pink. *Dangles shimmy enticingly* Hey, what happened to those shimmies I was promised??   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2007,13:40    Quote (Kristine @ May 25 2007,05:00) Oh yeah! I snorkled for the first time in my life I...hook...There's more...come! :) Quote mined! But enough about your "interactions" with famous atheist biologists, how was you trip to the Galapagos? {drum hit} Louis -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 26 2007,23:00    Quote (Arden Chatfied @May 26 2007 @ 12:21) PS: Has anyone considered the possibility that the rocks evolved to be the same color as the iguanas? Okay, okay, Arden. Since that made me laugh, you'll get shimmies, but I warn you, intelligent design gives me stage fright! *Shimmy!* There, happy? Oh, Louis, Louis. The man thought I was a kid! *Sigh* He was a dear, though. But I'll tell you what, I got a kiss from one of the crew members! (But kissing is pretty common in Ecuador.) -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,02:46    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,23:08) *sigh* goddamn US govt was SUPPOSED to provide coast guard and monetary aid for this issue over 5 years ago. most likely it will end up being too little, too late. damnit. Don't count on that one working out that way. In me experience, that equals a pair of boats and a diplomat. And a few other things. Just not a ton of will there. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,02:49    Quote (Kristine @ May 26 2007,23:00) Quote (Arden Chatfied @May 26 2007 @ 12:21) PS: Has anyone considered the possibility that the rocks evolved to be the same color as the iguanas? Okay, okay, Arden. Since that made me laugh, you'll get shimmies, but I warn you, intelligent design gives me stage fright! *Shimmy!* There, happy? :) Oh, Louis, Louis. The man thought I was a kid! *Sigh* He was a dear, though. But I'll tell you what, I got a kiss from one of the crew members! (But kissing is pretty common in Ecuador.) *sigh* something happens in a guy when 35 is absolutely a kid. The smart ones hit themselves with a hammer but the rest of us just smile, write checks to wedding planners and agree with our wives. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,09:18    Quote (Emanuel Goldstein @ May 31 2007,09:13) The picture of Kristine with Dawkins do not look like the pics of Kristine on her site. A little exaggeration in advertising, perhaps. :D Don't be snide. Jebus doesn't like it. Nor you, probably. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Rev. BigDumbChimp Posts: 185 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,10:24    Quote (Emanuel Goldstein @ May 31 2007,09:13) The picture of Kristine with Dawkins do not look like the pics of Kristine on her site. A little exaggeration in advertising, perhaps. :D Legion the troll.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,11:49    ('Scuze me, isn't advertising by definition an exaggeration?) Well, I had some dashing competition there, bub! If Lalla had been on the trip, nobody would have looked at me at all, so cut me some slack, huh? At any rate, don't come, don't come, Emanuel to ransom captive bloggerette if you don't likey whaty you see! I have a sig other anyways. However (just in case any of you human beings out there is feeling cheated), all the pics on my site are indeed of me. Taken recently. (I must clean up real good.) THE REAL ME: I'm ugly, LOL! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,12:20    Quote THE REAL ME: I'm ugly, LOL! Meh, I've done worse. {runs away giggling} Louis P.S. I wonder how much trouble this comment can get me into. Joy! -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,12:40    Quote (Louis @ May 31 2007,11:20) Quote THE REAL ME: I'm ugly, LOL! Meh, I've done worse. {runs away giggling} Louis P.S. I wonder how much trouble this comment can get me into. Joy! You've done worse? What's that mean? Can this mysterious commenter be... ...Emanuel Louis? Heh! How's yer acting career going? *Runs away shimmying* Bring it. Bring it. I can take it. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,14:39    Quote (Kristine @ May 31 2007,12:40) Bring it. Bring it. I can take it. :) Well,  I have too much respect for you to take any potshots, but the background vista in that picture did make me think of a new marketing slogan. Galapagos:  Come for the boobies, stay for the large tracts of land. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 31 2007,23:57    MRS CARLSONJOK. HAR HAR HAR. SHE HAZ TEH SEXI_HAWT SHOEZ. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,04:11    Quote (Kristine @ May 31 2007,19:40) Bring it. Bring it. I can take it. :) But enough about what it says on the wall of the AtBC toilets, how were the Galapagos? ;-) Louis P.S. Tee hee. -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,10:03    Well, the animals there are pretty cool. Not snobs, like walruses, for example. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2007,16:58    Well I don't know if people are still interested but here are some photos of the tortoises on Santa Cruz island, taken by someone else as I was enferma on that day and huddled in my shell. The rest are at my friend Flickr as always. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Steviepinhead Posts: 532 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2007,18:49    Kristine: Quote (But kissing is pretty common in Ecuador.) No doubt.  Whence Ecuadorians in the first place. Though I'm sure that any loyal Ecuadorian would say that their kisses are far beyond the merely "common." I suppose this could also explain why the Ecuadorians have now become so populous as to require coastal guarding...

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2007,22:12    It was once of those cheek kisses: Quote Here’s a basic guideline to avoid those awkward moments. If you are introduced to someone in a business or formal you should shake hands and again when you say good-bye. When you meet even a casual acquaintance again it's good for you to shake hands both on greeting and parting. Women kiss on the right cheek only. If you are quick to hold out your right hand you can avoid kissing. Kissing is used to show a personal relationship and is given as a sign of trust. When kissing someone as a greeting is usually done by making a kissing sound near the right cheek rather than actually kissing the cheek. But he actually kissed the cheek. On the deck, under the stars. What a player! No, it was very sweet. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,17:07    Cross-posting my Galapagos Diary. Introduction: Quito Jerry Falwell Deconverted on Deathbed with a special appearance by JAD at the end. Day One: Landing at Baltra Day One: Las Bachas, Santa Cruz An *Hic* Aside Day Two: Espanola Day Two: Floreana End of Day Two: Star-Gazing and Stumbling Okay Louis, here you are. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,18:01    Quote (Kristine @ June 13 2007,17:07) Cross-posting my Galapagos Diary. ...Jerry Falwell Deconverted on Deathbed with a special appearance by JAD at the end. Takedown of the week. I love it so! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2007,22:52    I miss my beautiful ship!   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,05:19    Quote (Kristine @ June 14 2007,00:07) Cross-posting my Galapagos Diary. Introduction: Quito Jerry Falwell Deconverted on Deathbed with a special appearance by JAD at the end. Day One: Landing at Baltra Day One: Las Bachas, Santa Cruz An *Hic* Aside Day Two: Espanola Day Two: Floreana End of Day Two: Star-Gazing and Stumbling Okay Louis, here you are. Envy, thy name is Louis! Louis -------------- Bye.

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,12:29    I noticed in the thread on Falwell that you were surprised about the connection to the Moonies. did you know that Jonathan Wells is a Mooney? Yup. his entire graduate career at Berkeley (which overlapped with mine, btw) was entirely funded by Rev. Moon. bet you now are wondering why the DI loves him so much? that tent of theirs is awfully large, ain't it. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,15:12    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,12:29) I noticed in the thread on Falwell that you were surprised about the connection to the Moonies. did you know that Jonathan Wells is a Mooney? Yup. his entire graduate career at Berkeley (which overlapped with mine, btw) was entirely funded by Rev. Moon. bet you now are wondering why the DI loves him so much? that tent of theirs is awfully large, ain't it. Well, we are trying to help them slim down... so the tent won't have to be as large. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,17:25    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,11:29) I noticed in the thread on Falwell that you were surprised about the connection to the Moonies. did you know that Jonathan Wells is a Mooney? Yup. Yup, I did. But what surprised me was that Falwell took $$$ from Moon. There's no logic in what Falwell found acceptable and unacceptable. Well, I guess that 's not surprising. Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,11:29) bet you now are wondering why the DI loves him so much? that tent of theirs is awfully large, ain't it. I tried to ask at UD what thought Dr. Dr. of Wells' HIV denialism and DaveScot told me I was "off-topic." There's no logic in what Dembski finds acceptable and unacceptable. Well, I guess that 's not surprising. There's no logic in what DaveScot finds acceptable and unacceptable. Well, I guess that 's not surprising. *Module for entire list of IDers* Quote (Louis @ June 14 2007,04:19) Envy, thy name is Louis! Go. I am serious. If I can afford it, other people can. BTW I need a second job now...   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,18:11    Quote There's no logic yup. that does seem to be the glue that binds them all together... -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,20:43    Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,12:06) In the panga on the way back to the ship, I noticed a star in the sky and asked if it was Jupiter. Richard said that it was Venus (sorry, Richard, I still think it was Jupiter) I know this is kind of late, but if you could remember about when and in what direction it was, I can probably tell you. Jupiter is up pretty early now, but in March it was rising after midnight, at least thats what I remember (I'm an amature astronomer). I didn't get out much in May, so I don't remember - but I can look it up. Venus is easily the brightest thing in the night sky, aside from the moon, and has been for a few months. If what you saw was towards the sunset, you saw Venus. Jupiter would have been low in the east at any reasonable hour. (I assume you were probably not up and about at 3AM) Ok, I'm doing being a space geek - for now. -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:17    Back to being a space geek for a minute... Jupiter rose at about 10, here is the sky in Galapagos at that time: http://wockets.org/galsky.jpg Fish eye projection, flat horizon. And now I'm kind of jealous - you could see stars I will never see from my location. -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:28    Quote (Nerull @ June 14 2007,21:17) Back to being a space geek for a minute... Jupiter rose at about 10, here is the sky in Galapagos at that time: http://wockets.org/galsky.jpg Fish eye projection, flat horizon. And now I'm kind of jealous - you could see stars I will never see from my location. Quote Go. I am serious. If I can afford it, other people can. sounds like good advice. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:37    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,21:28) Quote Go. I am serious. If I can afford it, other people can. sounds like good advice. As the stereotypical broke student, I defiantly can't afford it. (I do well enough to afford food). I'm just lucky there is a nearby observatory with quality instruments that I can access or I'd be to broke to do astronomy too. ;) -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,21:43    student loan? hell, I'm still in debt. It was worth it. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 14 2007,23:12    Quote (Nerull @ June 14 2007,19:43)     Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,12:06) In the panga on the way back to the ship, I noticed a star in the sky and asked if it was Jupiter. Richard said that it was Venus (sorry, Richard, I still think it was Jupiter) I know this is kind of late, but if you could remember about when and in what direction it was, I can probably tell you. Jupiter is up pretty early now, but in March it was rising after midnight, at least thats what I remember (I'm an amature astronomer). I didn't get out much in May, so I don't remember - but I can look it up. Venus is easily the brightest thing in the night sky, aside from the moon, and has been for a few months. If what you saw was towards the sunset, you saw Venus. Jupiter would have been low in the east at any reasonable hour. (I assume you were probably not up and about at 3AM) Ok, I'm doing being a space geek - for now. Space geeks rule! I'm in Minnesota - same old Big Dip, same old Cassiop, same old Cepheus. Yeah, it was great to see different constellations than usual. (Did you read my "Star-gazing and Stumbling" link?) It was at 6 p.m., coming back from James (Santiago) Island. I think it may have been in the west but I didn't write down where on the island we landed and its not on our itinerary. It was high in the sky (45 degrees?) and bright, bluish - dang I think you and the good Professor are right. It was Penis. I mean Venus! Venus! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,02:20    veinous, veinous? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,03:23    Quote (Kristine @ June 15 2007,00:25) Quote (Louis @ June 14 2007,04:19) Envy, thy name is Louis! Go. I am serious. If I can afford it, other people can. BTW I need a second job now...  :) Oh it's on the list for certain! Louis -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,16:19    Take me with? I will scrub floors, polish the china, swab the deck. (If you're homesick for the sea, does that make you seasick...?) -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:26    Okay, fine. Don't take me with, then. I have videos of the trip to soothe my nostalgia. (I just want to say that this has been a very weird day for me. Grrrr.) -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:29    ooh movin piktures! I'm there. "Delusion" en espanole? neat, and VERY needed. but you lied.  that isn't video of your trip. *sniff* paraphrasing: "I think the only good criticism of God Delusion, would be if someone could provide some evidence for the existence of supernatural beings. None of the criticisms of God Delusion, or Harris' books, or Hitchen's ever raised a criticism that included any evidence for any supernatural beings." basically, he's essentially correct that every criticism of his book revolved around ad-hominems and "intellectual laziness". -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:38    Yes, it is! That's Richard on our ship, talking the talk on the trip (the first of three, hee-hee) that he talked so well. Are you kidding, man? Richard was the trip. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:41    but richard in equador is the same as richard in the UK. in this case, far be it from me to shrug off the import of richard, but I was actually more interested in video of the galapagos itself. "The mormon religion is so obviously fake; founded by a charlatan (smith) in the 19th century" "Why don't people see through it? I can't understand it" heh. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:47    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 20 2007,18:41) but richard in equador is the same as richard in the UK. in this case, far be it from me to shrug off the import of richard, but I was actually more interested in video of the galapagos itself. I didn't take any    but Josh did - a lot of stuff (plus a lot of Richard, sorry). I expect that he'll post that too, in which case I'll link to it here. I don't think he got any underwater shots, though, the naturalists did. And other people took photos and videos - we're supposed to share them. I'll put them up here. And as a pal said chez moi, how lucky to see Richard wearing shorts. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,19:49    sounds great. looking forward to all of it, and more richard, too. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 20 2007,23:07    Quote (JohnW @ June 13 2007,17:01)   Quote (Kristine @ June 13 2007,17:07) Cross-posting my Galapagos Diary. ...Jerry Falwell Deconverted on Deathbed with a special appearance by JAD at the end. Takedown of the week. I love it so! Then you'll adore this. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 21 2007,03:22    Kristine, Sorry I didn't see that post. Of course you can come with! And as I am bringing my wife too it will be like having two wives. {Homer Simpson} Mmmm two wives {droool} {Dreams} Wash wash, chop chop, wash wash chop chop {/Dreams} {/Homer Simpson} Louis -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 21 2007,09:28    Quote (Louis @ June 21 2007,02:22) Kristine, Sorry I didn't see that post. Of course you can come with! And as I am bringing my wife too it will be like having two wives. {Homer Simpson} Mmmm two wives {droool} {Dreams} Wash wash, chop chop, wash wash chop chop {/Dreams} {/Homer Simpson} Louis Yeah, well, uh...did you ever see the film Bitter Moon? *Shimmy!*   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 21 2007,10:06    Ah but Kristine, that film deals with bitter, twisted people. My wife and I are lovely and inclusive healthy people. I am sure we would include you in any washing or chopping activities. Your film was only about sexual imbroglios and the resulting fall out. That would never happen and irrelevant to the Homer Simpson-esque washing and chopping fantasy. Anyway, we both love a good threesome! ;-) Louis -------------- Bye.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 31 2007,12:19    Okay doke, more pics. The island of Fernandina, which is like landing on the moon. (Except it has lizards and bird-lizards.) Note in the comments that AAI is planning a trip there with Richard Dawkins this December. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

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