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Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,22:17    The whole thing here. http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....the.php No real justification. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,22:37    I wonder what Lenny is thinking...wherever he is. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,22:39    Maybe we can get JoeG and Larry Falafelandcheese to agree to be the legal team.  I'll donate actual money to that end. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,22:43    I lol'd. Evolution is a theory about the origin of the universe. I think we can safely say that they have no idea what they're talking about. They don't misunderstand or misrepresent evolution, they just don't know what it is, even in the broadest sense. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,22:46    First creobot god invocation: "My hope is that there will be times of prayer throughout Christian homes and churches directed toward this issue," she wrote. Let's hope the damages aren't too punitive so the kid's educations don't suffer. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,23:19    My take -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

1of63 Posts: 126 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,23:32    If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? -------------- I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them. - Tracy P. Hamilton

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,06:34    Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 09 2008,00:32) If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? They'd have to change the soundtrack, though. ID has nothing to say about The Who. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,07:21    Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,06:34) Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 09 2008,00:32) If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? They'd have to change the soundtrack, though. ID has nothing to say about The Who. Anyone think of a less appropriate theme song for ID than Won't Get Fooled Again?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:19    Quote (blipey @ Jan. 08 2008,23:39) Maybe we can get JoeG and Larry Falafelandcheese to agree to be the legal team.  I'll donate actual money to that end. The judge would probably Baker Act them into a mental hospital.

Darth Robo Posts: 148 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:32    Quote I wonder what Lenny is thinking...wherever he is. "They're not bulletproof..." Speaking of missing persons, where's Louis lately? -------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."

Richard Simons Posts: 425 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:34    I am far from being a lawyer, but it seems to me that at present they have merely expressed an opinion that probably violates the requirements for the separation of the church and the state in a way that most people likely regard as not court-worthy. If they continue in what they consider a logical fashion, at what point would they be doing something that would open themselves up to being taken to court? -------------- All sweeping statements are wrong.

Darth Robo Posts: 148 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:39    Aha!  J-Dog's just mentioned he's on vacation. -------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."

k.e.. Posts: 5427 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:43    Quote (Richard Simons @ Jan. 09 2008,08:34) I am far from being a lawyer, but it seems to me that at present they have merely expressed an opinion that probably violates the requirements for the separation of the church and the state in a way that most people likely regard as not court-worthy. If they continue in what they consider a logical fashion, at what point would they be doing something that would open themselves up to being taken to court? When they discover that god isn't from Florida? But just only pays his rates in some yuppy slum there. Lenny I suspect has 5 lesbians amusing his longboat in another state that doesn't have Louis in it. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,08:56    Louis Arden and Lenny were all kidnapped by k.e.. who has popped in to establish an alibis. actually they weren't kidnapped it was very willing, as they are starting a big gay archipelago in the south pacific replete with fruity drinks and fruity dinks, down to a man.  2 more islands to a Whorum! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

k.e.. Posts: 5427 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,09:08    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,08:56) Louis Arden and Lenny were all kidnapped by k.e.. who has popped in to establish an alibis. actually they weren't kidnapped it was very willing, as they are starting a big gay archipelago in the south pacific replete with fruity drinks and fruity dinks, down to a man.  2 more islands to a Whorum! BASTARD!!!!!! How did you find out? I did however take a prophylactic for the position I now find myself in.... 6 days in a retreat for wayward nymphomaniacs .....but it's wearing off. The kitchen boys are going to get me if I don't escape to an island of intense sin in the next week. HELP!!!!! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,09:40    Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,06:34) Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 09 2008,00:32) If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? They'd have to change the soundtrack, though. ID has nothing to say about The Who. Very clever.  Go ahead and slap the post of the week sticker on your post! -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,11:24    Quote (George @ Jan. 09 2008,05:21) Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,06:34) Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 09 2008,00:32) If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? They'd have to change the soundtrack, though. ID has nothing to say about The Who. Anyone think of a less appropriate theme song for ID than Won't Get Fooled Again? Teenage Lobotomy. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,12:06    According to their website, Taylor County is home to the Cracker Homestead Museum. I kid you not ...

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,13:04    Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 09 2008,11:24) Quote (George @ Jan. 09 2008,05:21) Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,06:34)   Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 09 2008,00:32) If ID takes off in Florida, could give a whole new meaning to CSI: Miami.  Can't you just see the Complex Sweater Idiot snapping off the cool shades and talking sideways at people? They'd have to change the soundtrack, though. ID has nothing to say about The Who. Anyone think of a less appropriate theme song for ID than Won't Get Fooled Again? Teenage Lobotomy. I'm pretty sure the Ramones would take exception to this. Gabba Gabba Hey! -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,13:40    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news....9.story Quote Evolution is a lie," Laura Lopez, 38 of West Palm Beach, told a crowd of about 75 at Everglades High School in Miramar. "Satan is telling people these lies and people are believing them." Lopez, wearing a T-shirt that read, "Don't condone what God condemns," has three children in the Palm Beach County school system. All Science so far! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,13:57    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 09 2008,13:40) http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news....9.story   Quote Evolution is a lie," Laura Lopez, 38 of West Palm Beach, told a crowd of about 75 at Everglades High School in Miramar. "Satan is telling people these lies and people are believing them." Lopez, wearing a T-shirt that read, "Don't condone what God condemns," has three children in the Palm Beach County school system. All Science so far! That word (condone) seems to be getting a lot of press lately... And if someone could point me to the place where "God condemns" evolutionary theory explicitly, it would be greatly appreciated. I couldn't find it anywhere in Leviticus. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,14:10    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 09 2008,13:57) And if someone could point me to the place where "God condemns" evolutionary theory explicitly, it would be greatly appreciated. I couldn't find it anywhere in Leviticus. She might have worn the shirt in hopes that they'd be discussing the regulation of stores that sell cotton/wool blend clothing. Or restaurants that serve lobster. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,17:40    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 09 2008,13:57)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 09 2008,13:40) http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news....9.story       Quote Evolution is a lie," Laura Lopez, 38 of West Palm Beach, told a crowd of about 75 at Everglades High School in Miramar. "Satan is telling people these lies and people are believing them." Lopez, wearing a T-shirt that read, "Don't condone what God condemns," has three children in the Palm Beach County school system. All Science so far! That word (condone) seems to be getting a lot of press lately... And if someone could point me to the place where "God condemns" evolutionary theory explicitly, it would be greatly appreciated. I couldn't find it anywhere in Leviticus. Now, now, we all know that Leviticus is not very detailed about what is allowed!   edited to correckt a speeling eror, and to add another now, now. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,18:13    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Jan. 09 2008,10:40) Very clever.  Go ahead and slap the post of the week sticker on your post! Well thanks but in the interest of fairness, I should exclude myself from the PotW.  Otherwise, all my comments would bear the sticker because, well... I really crack myself up. P.S. That may be entirely due to long term medication.  It's hard to say. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,20:52    Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 09 2008,18:13) Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Jan. 09 2008,10:40) Very clever.  Go ahead and slap the post of the week sticker on your post! Well thanks but in the interest of fairness, I should exclude myself from the PotW.  Otherwise, all my comments would bear the sticker because, well... I really crack myself up. :) P.S. That may be entirely due to long term medication.  It's hard to say. PROBABLY SHUD ESCLUDE ME ASS WELL BECAUSE MY POSTS ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSES'. BUT WE CANT ALL BE AUTODICTOR POLIMATHS. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2008,00:21    Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 09 2008,08:08)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 09 2008,08:56) Louis Arden and Lenny were all kidnapped by k.e.. who has popped in to establish an alibis. actually they weren't kidnapped it was very willing, as they are starting a big gay archipelago in the south pacific replete with fruity drinks and fruity dinks, down to a man.  2 more islands to a Whorum! BASTARD!!!!!! How did you find out? I did however take a prophylactic for the position I now find myself in.... 6 days in a retreat for wayward nymphomaniacs .....but it's wearing off. The kitchen boys are going to get me if I don't escape to an island of intense sin in the next week. HELP!!!!! Is that so? Then I am so there in Kyrgyzstan or wherever exotic and out of the way country you're holed up in k.e.! On a serious note, I was reading an excellent article on teaching evolution through open inquiry while managing time constraints in the classroom*. The instructors had asked the students to describe evolution in their own words in an essay, and whether or not they accepted it. The students responses were kept anonymous and were presented to the class only as percentages - "8 percent of you have confused evolutionary theory with the Big Bang theory - here is the difference" to avoid embarrassing the students and to show them that they were not alone in having misconceptions. This quote surprised me:   Quote No students mentioned "intelligent design" or described any mechanistic ideas resembling it, leading us to conclude that this paradigm has not permeated popular culture or education in Ohio at this time. So, a little hope! I recommend this article. I haven't seen another that describes actual methods and shows pre-program and post-program results. *Robbins, J.R. & Roy, P. (2007). The natural selection: identifying and correcting non-science student participation through an inquiry-based, critical approach to evolution. The American Biology Teacher, 69(8), 460-464. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2008,01:18    Smells like the Discovery Institute -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2008,07:11    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 10 2008,02:18) Smells like the Discovery Institute Left this at young Mr. Gornoski’s blog: Quote I find it both interesting and enlightening that while the crux of your argument rests entirely on fairness and balance, your blogroll consists nearly completely of sites sponsored by the Discovery Institute.  (Your link to the state Science standards discussion needs to updated.) In the interest of fairness and balance, would it not be imperative to link to the websites and blogs of scientists? For that side of your equation, I would recommend The Austringer (Dr. Wesley Elsberry's blog), The Panda's Thumb (a wonderful multi-contributor blog dedicated to this very topic), and ScienceBlogs.com (currently around 60 or 70 blogs about science all in one package). I'll not add direct links, to avoid the spam filter, but a very little Google will get you where you need to be. HTH Lou -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,18:50    They're still tap dancing in Florida. Just a bump and an update. And via that post, from the Miami Herald: Quote TALLAHASSEE -- It's called the ''Academic Freedom'' bill and it's supposed to give teachers the freedom to teach the ''full range of scientific views'' about evolution. But should teachers have the freedom to teach the ''full range of scientific views'' about sexual education? Republican Sen. Ronda Storms said that Democratic proposal went too far and had it voted down on the Senate floor Thursday, saying the sex-ed measure not only didn't belong on her evolution bill but that it could lead to ``prematurely deflowering kindergartners and first- and second-graders.'' Tardilicious. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,19:08    Quote TALLAHASSEE -- It's called the ''Academic Freedom'' bill and it's supposed to give teachers the freedom to teach the ''full range of scientific views'' about evolution. But should teachers have the freedom to teach the ''full range of scientific views'' about sexual education? Republican Sen. Ronda Storms said that Democratic proposal went too far and had it voted down on the Senate floor Thursday, saying the sex-ed measure not only didn't belong on her evolution bill but that it could lead to ``prematurely deflowering kindergartners and first- and second-graders.'' And as Steve can tell us, in north Florida that's not supposed to happen til sixth grade, at the very earliest. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,19:13    Read the whole article.  She really is a deceitful woman. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,14:52    Florida Citizens for Science has an interesting summary of the debate over the "academic freedom" bill today in the state senate.  The moneyshot: Quote Gaetz’s literature example is a mess. Can a student hold the belief that the Captain Underpants books are great literature like Shakespeare? Good luck with that. That’s what is happening in science. Evolution is the Shakespeare and intelligent design is Captain Underpants. One is literature and the other isn’t. One is science and the other isn’t. HA HA THIS IS ID -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Venus Mousetrap Posts: 201 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,14:56    Quote (carlsonjok @ April 23 2008,14:52) Florida Citizens for Science has an interesting summary of the debate over the "academic freedom" bill today in the state senate.  The moneyshot:   Quote Gaetz’s literature example is a mess. Can a student hold the belief that the Captain Underpants books are great literature like Shakespeare? Good luck with that. That’s what is happening in science. Evolution is the Shakespeare and intelligent design is Captain Underpants. One is literature and the other isn’t. One is science and the other isn’t. HA HA THIS IS ID Oddly enough, I have MET the author of that book. Not Shakespeare. The other chap.

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,15:39    http://www.rondastorms.com/ Ughhh -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2008,15:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 23 2008,16:39) http://www.rondastorms.com/ Ughhh From Wikipedia: Quote    Ronda R. Storms (born Ronda Rehnell Newcomb on September 5, 1965) is a Republican Party member of the Senate of the U.S. state of Florida, representing the 10th District since 2006.    Storms had an eight-year tenure on the Hillsborough County Commission (1998-2006), for which she is well known, and pushed a number of controversial issues. These issues included a fight against establishing the proposed Florida A&M University School of Law in Tampa, a campaign in favor of the sterilization of men and women convicted of child abuse, eliminating county-appropriated money for Planned Parenthood, and perhaps most publicized, her crusade for the county to officially abstain from recognizing gay and lesbian events held inside county lines, which was passed in June 2005 despite vocal opposition, most notably from openly gay topless dance club proprietor Joe Redner. She is also recognized by her quick tongue and often scathing sarcastic remarks, many of which she does not retract, stating “I am not apologizing for who I am.” HT: JanieBelle -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2008,10:56    http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/8731.article Quote Senate passes evolution academic freedom bill, 21-17 House sponsor committed to his version By JAMES A. SMITH SR. Executive Editor Published April 23, 2008 ... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 29 2008,09:11    This thread overlaps heavily with the Florida and Antievolution thread.  To keep it all together, I refer you there for further discussion. Quote "All roads lead here, and this is where all worlds end, by PhotoGraham. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

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