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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,09:48   

I'm not looking for an argument, but I've always been curious about the huzzahs given this show. I know that everyone's taste in humour is different, but why do people find this show funny? People of all types swear by this cartoon, and I just don't get it, no matter how I try. Could someone explain why they find this show funny? Or Monty Python - I never got that show either.

   It's not that I don't have a sense of humour - I laugh at a wide variety of stuff, and appreciate a broad spectrum of humour on top of my personal tastes. But I draw a blank with Family Guy...

Any help is appreciated.

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:05   

Paley, why not practice a little self discipline and simply not post in any new threads until you have delivered what you agreed too?  We have all  been waiting patiently, YOU made all the promises.  If you would simply concede or forego arguments instead of forestalling the inevitable with your worthless promises, you might have a shred of credibility.  You broke your word at least 4 times by your own count.  You are saying now that you will keep one of your four promises if we jump through your hoop?

RUBBISH!

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:05   

amazing.

are you REALLY asking why you aren't homogenous with everybody else??

er, ironically quoting a famous line from Holy Grail...

"What... is your favorite color?"

get it?

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:18   

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Or Monty Python - I never got that show either.


Paley, it's a good thing you're not looking for an argument, because this isn't an argument.

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Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:22   

*ahem*

...I said, "that's not an argument".

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:26   

no, no.

Paley wanted abuse.  that's next door, IIRC.

  
MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:30   

What show?

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Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:44   

Quote (sir_toejam @ May 15 2006,15:26)
no, no.

Paley wanted abuse.  that's next door, IIRC.

I was hoping for something along the lines of "yes it is/no it isn't" to keep this thread from sinking, but I must say this is better.  :)


Family guy... Is that the cartoon with the baby genious or something?

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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:46   

no... family guy is the show with the kid who rides the skateboard and says "cowabunga, dude"...

;)

  
Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:52   

This is why.  :D

  
Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,10:57   

I dunno, but I liked that one episode where Mohammed gave Peter a salmon helmet.

  
Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,11:01   

Actually that was South Park, but! One of the best things on that South Park was one random character's defense of Family Guy: "Hey, I like that show, at least it isn't preachy and up it's own ass with messages!"

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,11:55   

no, no, that was the flintstones...

southpark was where the rabbit always says "what's up doc"...

  
Moorit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,12:14   

Quote (Faid @ May 15 2006,15:44)
I was hoping for something along the lines of "yes it is/no it isn't" to keep this thread from sinking, but I must say this is better.  :)

"No, you didn't, you toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!"

Sorry, it's the best I can do off the top of my head.  And greetings to all, since it's my first post and such.  Let's see, computer geek, amateur astronomer, archaeology buff, Monty Python fan, female.  I think that sums me up fairly well.  I've been lurking, enjoying the articles and posts on PT and the posts here.  Don't know that I'll ever have a huge amount to contribute to the discussion(s) at large, but enjoy reading them and learning from them.  I've had to cut down any reading I do at AIG and allied sites due to health concerns.  Hearing the same nonsense over and over and, well, you get the picture, causes me the dry heaves.

Moorit

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,12:30   

Re "I dunno, but I liked that one episode where Mohammed gave Peter a salmon helmet."

That sounds fishy.

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,18:59   

Take it easy, GoP's a lumberjack, he just wishes he was a girly like his dear Papa.
GoP your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
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And he still won't get it. He's humor challenged.
For him the world is perfectly explainable by inane nonsense already and IS reality why would reality be funny?
Reminds me when 2 Mormon's or some such (GB's) arrived at my front door and I asked them if they were familiar with Monty Pythons Holy Grail.
GB's"yeah we love that movie"
I said "do you remember when the 2 knights rode up to a castle, guarded by 2 Frenchmen, asking if their master wanted to go on a quest for the holy grail ?"
GB's"uh yeah"
I "well I've already got one"
GB's"huh..... I don't get it"
No BS I had to explain it to them like they were Martians, the look of horror on their faces was priceless.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,21:44   

Not that I have undertaken a large study of comedy methods, but one thing that Monty Python and Family guy have in common is that they have an "off the wall" kind of rewriting reality kind of humour.  Take an ordinary situation and people, then magnify some things beyond any sensible bounds, to the extent that it is  parody.  

I recall for example a FAmily guy episode where their local pub gets taken over as an English pub, and the brave americans try and get it back to their usual sports bar.  Or look at how you have a talking dog, something of an outsider yet people get on with him as if he's a real human.  

Its all about building up expectations in one direction, then fooling you, the watcher, with a quick switch.

Like the reference above, to "What is your favourite colour?"

TO set the scene- the knights of ARthur ar looking for teh HOly grail.  Several of them come to a gorge, with a bridge guarded by a horrible old man, who asks questions and you can only cross if you answer the question correctly.
The question that was asked was, "What is the unladen weight of an African Swallow".  
The Knight of whom it was asked ummmed, and ahhed, and said "I dont know" and was promptly catapulted to his doom.  
So, next person goes up, to brave near certain death in his search for the grail, and is asked "What is your favourite colour?"
Oddly enough, he gets this right.
This could be seen as a kind of redirection of our expectations, a release of tension.  

THen the 3rd one goes up, and is asked the question of the Swallow, whereupon he asks the questioner exactly which kind of African swallow.  The questioner said "I dont know" and was catapulted ot his doom.  

Again, a switch in expectations and outcome.

  
Renier



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2006,22:36   

When fundies try to be rationale, it always reminds me of the cheese shop episode. Replace "cheese" with "evidence". Didn't Heddle also complain about Python? There might be a pattern here.

Oh, btw, welcome Moorit. I assume you have met our resident trolls?

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,01:04   

Welcome Moorit! I'm a noob here myself, but I think anyone into computers, archaeology, astronomy and Monty Python fits perfectly in these forums!
BTW, if you see most of the arguments for ID presented around here lately, I'm sure you'll appreciate the insightfulness of MP's "Anne Elk" sketch...  ;)

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Moorit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,03:34   

Hi, Renier!  Well, not really "met" them as such as I haven't "spoken" with any of 'em.  Now, I have shook my head more than a few times at their statements, mind you.  And Faid, I loved Anne "ahem!" Elk!  "I have a theory (ahem! ).  It is mine and it is my (ahem! ) theory that is mine and I made it up. (ahem! )"  If I believed in the supernatural (not likely to happen any time soon), it's almost spooky that MP so perfectly predicted the arguments of ID.  Truth may be stranger than fiction, but I guess satire comes awfully close.  :D

Moorit (edited to fix a few "(ahem! )'s--sorry about the extra space, but otherwise it turned the ahem!'s into "winkies".  Hmmmmm....)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,08:01   

The Brontosaurus - Monty Python's flying creationism

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:03   

Or to look at it another way-

The scene with Arthur and the Black knight in the Holy grail.
Opens with the black knight and another knight fighting fast and dangerously, until the black knight finishes his opponent with a virtuoso sword thrust through the eye slit of his helmet.

Arthur has stood watching this appreciatively, and when the fight is over steps forwards congratulating the black knight for a fine fight and askign him if he would like to join the Knights of the Round table.  
THe Black knight replies "None shall pass", and blocks Arthurs way.
"Pardon"
"None shall pass"
"Why not?"

And so on it goes.  By this point, the comic potential through miscommunication/ misunderstanding should be obvious.  Finally, Arthur has had enough, since even after pointing out that he is King of the Britons hes the man in charge here, the Black knight still stands in his way.
So they come to blows.  
Arthur chops off the knights arm.

"Had enough eh?"
THen has to rapidly block a blow from the mans sword.
"But I've wounded you."
The black knight says "Tis but a flesh wound"
"But I shopped yoru arm off."

The fight carries on.  See how things are exagerated and somewhat silly.  

Then Arthur chops off the black knights other arm.
Expecting him to give up, Arthur steps back, only to be kicked by the unarmed man.
"Leave me alone, I've chopped off both your arms."
"Garn.  I've had worse.  Are you chicken, fight me"
So Arthur gets annoyed and cuts off his leg.  Then the other leg, leaving the torso on the ground, trying in vain to bite him.

OK, its funnier to watch than it is to read, but hopefully it gives you an idea of the exaggeration and silliness.
I also predict that some people will use this episode as an example or simile.

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:10   

Dont' forget the fact that they are fighting over some small bridge that's about two feet long and over a small ditch that is about half a foot deep.

  
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:22   

K.E. wrote:
             
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Take it easy, GoP's a lumberjack, he just wishes he was a girly like his dear Papa.
GoP your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
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And he still won't get it. He's humor challenged.

Ummmm K.E., many of my fellow fundamentalists love Monty Python and Family Guy. But when I ask them why, I can never get a coherent answer. Just like this board, for example.

guthrie:
     
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Not that I have undertaken a large study of comedy methods, but one thing that Monty Python and Family guy have in common is that they have an "off the wall" kind of rewriting reality kind of humour.  Take an ordinary situation and people, then magnify some things beyond any sensible bounds, to the extent that it is  parody.  

I recall for example a FAmily guy episode where their local pub gets taken over as an English pub, and the brave americans try and get it back to their usual sports bar.  Or look at how you have a talking dog, something of an outsider yet people get on with him as if he's a real human.  

Its all about building up expectations in one direction, then fooling you, the watcher, with a quick switch.

Thanks. This makes a great deal of sense. I guess I've always thought about Family Guy along these lines. Perhaps this guy isn't focusing on the relevant bits. I haven't watched many of the recent episodes, so perhaps they've been mixing in more satire instead of relying on random flashbacks.
       
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OK, its funnier to watch than it is to read, but hopefully it gives you an idea of the exaggeration and silliness.
I also predict that some people will use this episode as an example or simile.

I think some of the misunderstanding comes from the way its fans quote random dialogue from the sketches, without supplying the context as you have. I had a friend with a photographic memory who would respond to every third statement with a long, disjointed riff from a Monty Python sketch. Needless to say, this prejudiced me a wee bit against the program. :D  But now I'm starting to understand.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:24   

I think it boils down to just one thing: Humor is subjective.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:28   

Re "Dont' forget the fact that they are fighting over some small bridge that's about two feet long and over a small ditch that is about half a foot deep."

Like that scene in the movie "Men in Tights" where Robin Hood was fighting Little John?

Henry

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,09:43   

Oh come on, Ghost, it's a well known fact that you cannot explain, using reason, why something is funny.

As a matter of fact, if you keep trying to, it stops being funny.

Remember: Irrationality in MP is always part of the joke.
And that's not a bad thing; actually, you have to be quite a reasonable person to fully appreciate the humorous potential of absurdity.
That is all.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,10:16   

This is either the funniest thing you've ever seen, or the stupidest thing you've ever seen.

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Moorit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,11:00   

Try to explain to someone why the "Fish Slapping Dance" is funny or, "There is no cannabalism in the British Navy.  And when I say, "none," I mean "a certain amount.""  I play in a bagpipe band and about half of us now have "The Lumberjack Song" down on the pipes.  It has a habit of being played at odd moments in practice. ;)  I'm still working on converting "Brave Sir Robin", but the pipe scale is....odd.

Moorit (Edited to add--"Come back here and I'll bite your kneecaps off!!!!!")

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,11:01   

not the funniest, but I remember seeing that the first time and pretty much rolling on the floor laughing.

so i guess i lean towards funny, rather than stupid, in case that wasn't clear.

are we doing a survey?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:01   

I don't like body function humor, but that was priceless.

BLUHUHUHUHUHUHUH!

   
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:08   

"hold my ears..."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:17   

that blogger guy is right, though, half the jokes are the "why's this keep going on and on and on?" type. I think South Park pretty much savaged Family Guy in the Cartoon Wars episodes.

On the other hand, some of the musical numbers in Family Guy, and even the one in the credits, are great.

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Chorus: Lucky there's a Family Guy!
Lucky Theres a man who,
positively can do,
all the things that make us...


Stewie: F'n cry!  

   
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:31   

yeah, they kinda make it a bit unclear whether he's saying that, or "laugh and cry".

I've seen some pretty funny bits in FG.  the new season wasn't too hot though.  I doubt it has much time left.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:39   

Stewie started out saying F'n cry. They always claimed he was saying Laugh and cry, which doesn't sound right and doesn't fit the facial expression. sometime during or after season 2 they reedited it to clearly say laugh and cry, but on the recent episodes, it's been switched back I think.

   
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,13:46   

the new season also has definetly changed stewie to be more just a fop than the evi-mad-scientist-kill-lois-world-domination type of character he used to be.

he's become more just a reactionary to brian now.

way less interesting from my perspective.

er, not that i wanted to be a mad scientist bent on world domination or anything.

really.

  
Moorit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,14:37   

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er, not that i wanted to be a mad scientist bent on world domination or anything.

really.

I believe you, Sir To...wha?!!?  What's that copy of "Evil Geniuses for Dummies" doing in your pocket??!??   :O

Moorit

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,18:09   

i have to uh, keep up with what the mad scientists of the world are thinking so i can, er... stop them!

yeah! that's the ticket.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,20:53   

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the new season wasn't too hot though.  I doubt it has much time left.
Agreed te new stuff has been a bit hit and miss for me, but the first three seasons didn't put a foot wrong IMHO.

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I think South Park pretty much savaged Family Guy in the Cartoon Wars episodes.
I love South Park as well, but their probably quite bitter considering family guy reruns are getting higher ratings on comedy central than they are. Although I would say their criticisms are valid to some of the newer episodes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,22:57   

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Irrationality in MP is always part of the joke.


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