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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,20:32   

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EXEVOLUTIONIST



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,15:36  
Hmm- If the evolutionists believe they have such an airtight case for thier religious belief in evolution, it would seem that they would welcome a side by side comparison of evolution vs. either Creation or ID. But it appears that there is much fear and trepidation about doing that. If you have not done that comparison, perhaps you should. It changed my mind completely! And perhaps that is the underlying reason why evolutionists seem so frightened of the thought of another explanation.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,21:11   

I had intended to wait to make sure he wasn't just a drive-by one-post-troll, but eh... let 'er rip.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,21:28   

Index to Creationist Claims

Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism

Why Intelligent Design Fails

That should get us started properly.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,21:42   

ExEvolutionist could also pick, say, ten peer-reviewed ID research papers published this year, and we could pick ten peer-reviewed evolution research papers published this year, and we could compare their merits.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,22:01   

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ExEvolutionist could also pick, say, ten peer-reviewed ID research papers published this year, and we could pick ten peer-reviewed evolution research papers published this year, and we could compare their merits.

Or even ten papers that were rejected by the global atheistic scientific conspiracy. We could peer-review them here.  :D

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2007,23:17   

Let's get this out of the way:

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1. Materialism did not predict the big bang. Yet Theism always said the universe was created.

2. Materialism did not predict a sub-atomic (quantum) world that blatantly defies our concepts of time and space. Yet Theism always said the universe is the craftsmanship of God who is not limited by time or space.

3. Materialism did not predict the fact that time, as we understand it, comes to a complete stop at the speed of light, as revealed by Einstein’s special theory of relativity. Yet Theism always said that God exists in a timeless eternity.

4. Materialism did not predict the stunning precision for the underlying universal constants for the universe, found in the Anthropic Principle, which allows life as we know it to be possible. Yet Theism always said God laid the foundation of the universe, so the stunning, unchanging, clockwork precision found for the various universal constants is not at all unexpected for Theism.

5. Materialism predicted that complex life in this universe should be fairly common. Yet statistical analysis of the many required parameters that enable complex life to be possible on earth reveals that the earth is extremely unique in its ability to support complex life in this universe. Theism would have expected the earth to be extremely unique in this universe in its ability to support complex life.

6. Materialism did not predict the fact that the DNA code is, according to Bill Gates, far, far more advanced than any computer code ever written by man. Yet Theism would have naturally expected this level of complexity in the DNA code.

7. Materialism presumed a extremely beneficial and flexible mutation rate for DNA, which is not the case at all. Yet Theism would have naturally presumed such a high if not, what most likely is, complete negative mutation rate to an organism’s DNA.

8. Materialism presumed a very simple first life form. Yet the simplest life ever found on Earth is, according to Geneticist Michael Denton PhD., far more complex than any machine man has made through concerted effort. Yet Theism would have naturally expected this level of complexity for the “simplest” life on earth.

9. Materialism predicted that it took a very long time for life to develop on earth. Yet we find evidence for “complex” photo-synthetic life in the oldest sedimentary rocks ever found on earth (Minik T. Rosing and Robert Frei, “U-Rich Archaean Sea-Floor Sediments from Greenland—Indications of >3700 Ma Oxygenic Photosynthesis”, Earth and Planetary Science Letters 6907 (2003): 1-8) Theism would have naturally expected this sudden appearance of life on earth.

Whew.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2007,04:16   

RB, what happened to the other three?

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2007,07:40   

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RB, what happened to the other three?

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10. Materialism predicted the gradual unfolding of life to be self-evident in the fossil record. The Cambrian Explosion, by itself, destroys this myth. Yet Theism would have naturally expected such sudden appearance of the many different and completely unique fossils in the Cambrian explosion.

11. Materialism predicted that there should be numerous transitional fossils found in the fossil record. Yet fossils are characterized by sudden appearance in the fossil record and overall stability as long as they stay in the fossil record. There is not one clear example of unambiguous transition between major species out of millions of collected fossils. Theism would have naturally expected fossils to suddenly appear in the fossil record with stability afterwards as well as no evidence of transmutation into radically new forms.

12. Materialism predicts animal speciation should happen on a somewhat constant basis on earth. Yet man himself is the last scientifically accepted fossil to suddenly appear in the fossil record. Theism would have predicted that man himself was the last fossil to suddenly appear in the fossil record.

Batshit doesn't repeat the entire list in every location.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2007,18:33   

Why, did doink-amer ever show up again? Or did he (?) just shoot his wad and leave?

*edited: WAD. This is fun!*


Evolution predicted this. ;) (Ex-evo, save me if you can! It's bender weekend.)

Evolution also predicted that John West would be a stuffed shirt and make some lame comment about the free beer, thus coming off like a real fuddy-fundy. Is there a no-funness theorem, Ex-evo? :) Hellooooo!

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