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edmund



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2006,21:54   

I'm gearing up to teach a course on evolution and creationism in January, and one of the course components consists of making students go discuss these issues online with real live Evolutionists and Creationists ™. (Nothing quite like full immersion in the strangeness of the EvC Web culture-- no offense meant to present company, of course.)

Some of the bulletin boards that were pretty active last year in the wake of the Dover decision are pretty anemic now, so I thought I'd ask our illustrious AtBC'ers which boards are most lively these days. Ideally, I'm looking for discussion boards where there's a broad diversity of viewpoints.

Thanks for your help!

--B Spitzer

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2006,23:01   

ARN (Access Research Network) leans towards the creationist viewpoint, but has the highest number of parties from both sides posting there, AFAICT.

Pharyngula has far more traffic, and more discussion, but the creobots that show up there are often a bit on the anemic side (teenagers and the insane).  Still, it's one of the hottest science blogs on the web these days.

believe it or not, this little forum here is decent if you want to show your students a consistent, intractable, stereotypical, honest-to-god, Young Earth Creationist.

just point them to the AFDave thread.  lots of standard creationist boilerplate, combined with a continual shredding of same with actual reference to real scientific works.

they will also learn a great deal about how the creationist mindset works, and how they 'argue'.

have them try to convince Dave of ANYTHING he off the top disagrees with, and they will get a quick lesson in just how irrational the creationist mindset can be.

I tired of it myself months ago (yes MONTHS), but there are many diehards here who never tire of shredding 'ol dave as their morning cup 'o joe.

AIG (Answers in Genesis) is probably the largest remaining pure YEC site, if they want to see where most of the YEC arguments online get cut-and-pasted from.

Uncommon Descent is pretty much the only place ID gets discussed, but the moderation policy is so draconian that the only thing your students would learn there is how NOT to run a blog.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2006,23:19   

Just make sure to show them this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2006,23:41   

hmm, I wonder if that blog that MacNeil set up for his class is still active?

anyone know?

if it is, that should be a good place to send your students to see "both viewpoints".

as a final note, do make sure to note that there is no equivalency in this "debate".  One side has ALL the actual evidence and hundreds of years of research on their "side" and the other has, well, i guess you could say nothing and describe it as "religious apologetics".

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,00:37   

The Internet Infidels E/C discussion board still has a high scientific content, and enough Creationists /IDiots to act as cannon fodder.


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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,01:17   

thanks for the reminder; I had totally forgotten about IIDB.

Wes recommended it to me months ago, and I simply blanked.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,07:25   

Quote (edmund @ Dec. 11 2006,21:54)
Some of the bulletin boards that were pretty active last year in the wake of the Dover decision are pretty anemic now, so I thought I'd ask our illustrious AtBC'ers which boards are most lively these days. Ideally, I'm looking for discussion boards where there's a broad diversity of viewpoints.

Almost none.  

ID is dead.  They know it.  They've all retreated to safe havens that they control (like Uncommon Descent) where they can cry on each other's shoulders and kick out anyone who is mean to them.

As for the anti-ID boards, there's not much use for them anymore, and they've all pretty much collapsed into useless internal feuding over religious opinions.

So anyone who NOW wants to engage ID/creationists in "debate", is too late.  The fight is already over.

The best you can do is wait a few years until they come up with a new name for their anti-science campaign and return.  My opinion is that they will give up on evolution completely, and return with some vague anti-Big-Bang cosmological nonsense instead.

But given the fact that fundie political power is virtually zero now, it may be quite a long wait.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,12:26   

If you have not looked at this online resource, I think that you should.

Edited by Dr.GH on Dec. 12 2006,12:32

   
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2006,22:24   

Thanks for the Cal State link, that's quite a load of info and all out of the chemistry department.  Who said science and philosophy can not coexist?

As a suggestion, you might want to point your students to the Reasons to Believe website.  As Lenny said ID in it's current form is dead but if I had to guess this site offers a preview of where the movement is going.  The message to the Christian is science is ok and compatible with your faith while at the same time telling the scientist that faith is no threat to the scientific method.  Just a guess on my part, someone can check the Vegas odds and we can start placing our bets now.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2006,06:56   

Quote (skeptic @ Dec. 12 2006,22:24)
As a suggestion, you might want to point your students to the Reasons to Believe website.  As Lenny said ID in it's current form is dead but if I had to guess this site offers a preview of where the movement is going.

"Reasons to Believe" is old news.  It's an old-earth anti-evolution creationist group, that has recently taken up "intelligent design" verbiage because no one is paying any attention to OEC.

As for its founder, Dr Hugh Ross, some measure of his, uh, credibility can be found in Ross's recent book (co-authored with two other fundie kooks) , entitled "Lights In the Sky and Little Green Men: A Rational Christian Look at UFO's and Extraterrestrials" (NavPress, Colorado Springs CO, 2002).

Over several chapters, Ross dismisses, on scientific and Biblical
grounds, the existence of any life other than terrestrial. But, he
declares, there are so many reliable UFO reports that they can't all
be mistakes or hoaxes (he calls the remaining reliable reports
(Residual UFO's"). His "rational Christian" conclusion is something he calls the "trans-dimensional hypothesis"---flying sacuers are actually entities that come from "beyond out space and time dimensions" and which, although real entities, are not physical beings. OK, so what ARE the flying saucers, then? Hear the gospel according to Ross: "It can now be determined who is
behind the RUFO experiences. Only one kind of being favors the
dead of night and lonely roads. Only one is real but nonphysical,
animate, powerful, deceptive, ubiquitous throughout human history,
culture, and geography, and bent on wreaking psychological and
physical harm. Only one entity selectively approaches those
humans involved in cultic, occultic or New Age activities. It seems
apparent that residual UFO's, in one or more ways, must be
associated with the activities of demons." (pages 122-123).

Want to see how Ross's "UFO's come from the Devil" hypothesis
can be scientifically tested? Well, we flip to page 124 and find:
"The conlcusion that demons are behind the residual UFO
phenomenon is a testible one." Ross points out that "according to
the Bible" demons only can attack people who dip into the occult
and make themsleves vulnerable. Ross declares, "All that is
necessary to further prove the conclusions of demonic involvement, therefore, is to continue surveying people to ascertain who has encounters with residual UFO's and who does not. If the demonic idenficiation of the RUFO phenomenon is correct, researchers should continue to observe a correlation between the degree of invitations in a person's life to demonic attacks (for example, participation inseances, Uija games, astrology, spiritualism, witchcraft, palm reading, and psychicreading) and the proximity of their residual UFO encounters." (Ross of course neglects to mention another possible reason for these "correlations" --- people who believe one goofy thing are more prone to believe other goofy things as well.)

And why is that scientists and other researchers decline to study
Ross's, uh, "theory"? Why, because they're all ATHEISTS, silly:
"One reason why research scientists and others may be reluctant to say that demons exist behind residual UFO's is because such an answer points too directly to a Christian interpretation of the
problem." (page 125)

(Does this sound familiar to anybody? Is there some other topic
that Ross thinks involves the supernatural, but nobody takes
seriously because they are all atheists . . . . ?)

Believe it or not, though, Ross isn't the first creationut to yammer
about flying saucers and the Devil. Creationist theologian Norman
Geisler was one of the witnesses at the Arkansas creationism trial
back in 1982. During his pre-trial deposition, Geisler was asked if
he believed in a real Devil. Yes, he replied, he did, and cited some
Biblical verses as confirmation. The conversation then went:

"Q. Are there, sir, any other evidences for that belief besides
certain passages of Scripture?

GEISLER: Oh, yes. I have known personally at least 12 persons
who were clearly possessed by the Devil. And then there are the
UFOs.

Q. The UFOs? Why are they relevant to the existence of the Devil?

GEISLER: Well, you see, they represent the Devil's major, in fact,
final attack on the earth.

Q. Oh. And sir, may I ask how you know, as you seem to know, that
there are UFOs?

GEISLER: I read it in the Readers Digest."

At trial, Geisler testified under oath (apparently with a straight
face) that flying saucers were "Satanic manifestations for the purposes of deception".

Anyone who thinks, in the 21st century, that "flying saucers come from the Devil", is simply not worth taking seriously.

I think it's just a matter of time before the anti-evolutioners start publishing new updated versions of the Malleus Maleficarum, telling us how to detect and punish, uh, witches.

They are utterly nutty, all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2006,07:02   

Quote (skeptic @ Dec. 12 2006,22:24)
The message to the Christian is science is ok and compatible with your faith while at the same time telling the scientist that faith is no threat to the scientific method.

Au contraire, Ross's message is loud and clear and explicit ---- evolutuion is atheistic, and "Real Christians™©" must reject it or go to ####.

It is, of course, the "evolutionists" who have been saying for 150 years now that there simply is no conflict between science/evolution and faith.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2006,11:48   

[quote="Rev Dr" Lenny Flank,Dec. 13 2006,06:56]
Quote (skeptic @ Dec. 12 2006,22:24)

Anyone who thinks, in the 21st century, that "flying saucers come from the Devil", is simply not worth taking seriously.

I think it's just a matter of time before the anti-evolutioners start publishing new updated versions of the Malleus Maleficarum, telling us how to detect and punish, uh, witches.

They are utterly nutty, all.

Yes, but we cannot let them play with matches.  :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2006,17:20   

There is the Creation & Evolution forum at Christian Forums. (Although, some of what passes as discourse here would not be tolerated there.) Gary Hurd posts there and I post there on occasion.

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edmund



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 15 2006,11:14   

Many thanks to everyone for the replies. Some of these bb's (and other resources) I was already aware of, but some I don't think I've ever visited before.

--B. Spitzer

  
afdave



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,16:47   

Ichthyic ...    
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Pharyngula has far more traffic, and more discussion, but the creobots that show up there are often a bit on the anemic side (teenagers and the insane).  Still, it's one of the hottest science blogs on the web these days.

believe it or not, this little forum here is decent if you want to show your students a consistent, intractable, stereotypical, honest-to-god, Young Earth Creationist.

just point them to the AFDave thread.  lots of standard creationist boilerplate, combined with a continual shredding of same with actual reference to real scientific works.

they will also learn a great deal about how the creationist mindset works, and how they 'argue'.


Well, you won't be able to point them to my thread for much longer.  It appears we've reached the end of Wesley and Steve's tolerance for Creationism.  I think they'd be OK with anemic creationists for the long term (like those mentioned above), but I think they never expected me to be so tenacious, be so popular and cause such a stir.  In any case, they are shutting my thread down at Post #5000 ... I don't know if they are banning me from all threads or not ... we shall see.

So now if anyone asks if Wesley and Steve are open-minded, I guess the answer is "Sort of ... but they have their limits."

It's interesting ... Steve once said that the AFDave thread is great for science ... no one would ever want to be a creationist after reading Dave's stupidity.

Well now we see that that statement, like many statements from the science establishment regarding the Creation/Evolution Controversy ...

... is NONSENSE.

I knew when he said it that he didn't really believe his own words and that sooner or later, I would be shut down.  Why would he shut down my thread if I was good for his cause?

Doesn't make sense now, does it!

Hmmmm ...

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If I'm banned from here I will post where I am at on <a href="airdave.blogspot.com" target="_blank">AFDave Blogspot</a>

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,16:56   

You're here, whining, instead of backing up your accusation that I'm wrong about the most basic concepts in the field I've spent a lifetime working in; or the accusation that I wouldn't admit it if I were wrong. Despite the fact I challenged you to back up your pusillanimous allegations hours ago.

It's not because your just so damm good at showing us up. It's because your babble is worthless.

And pusillanimous.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,16:58   

Forums AFDave should move to :
http://alanfox.blogspot.com/
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/

and could someone please provide a link to the best one, that Glenn Morton forum I can't find a link to at the moment.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,17:03   

Actually, the Dawkins one might be the best for AFDave. They have a huge number of users.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,17:04   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 31 2006,16:47)
So now if anyone asks if Wesley and Steve are open-minded, I guess the answer is "Sort of ... but they have their limits."

It's interesting ... Steve once said that the AFDave thread is great for science ... no one would ever want to be a creationist after reading Dave's stupidity.

Well now we see that that statement, like many statements from the science establishment regarding the Creation/Evolution Controversy ...

... is NONSENSE.

Davie-diddles, at the point where your thread is shut down there will be more than 11,000 posts!  A good portion are yours.

The thing is, it was your obligation to offer positive evidence for your hypothesis.  What you've done instead is post wingnutty objections to evolution, quotemines, handwaving and plain old sh1t that you or your AiG mentors just made up.  This does not constitute positive evidence at all.

You've proved absolutely resistant to any measure of learning whatsoever that in some cases even my 9 year old understands.  

But like everything else you bemoan the lack of "tolerance".  8 months and 11000 posts later and you whine about tolerance?  Doesn't this strike you as ridiculous?  You had your opportunity, you fumbled it and now it's time to move along.

There is no Creation/Evolution controversy, except in the fevered imagination of religious fundamentalists who insist on a literal reading of Genesis.  And you are the poster child.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,19:43   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 31 2006,16:47)
. I don't know if they are banning me from all threads or not ... we shall see.

(sniffle)  (sob)  Boo hoo hoo.

Bye.  (waving as you ride off into the sunset on your snow-white horse.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,20:41   

Whining?  Lack of tolerance?  I've never accused Steve and Wesley of any such thing.  More of your fevered imagination.  I just think it's funny that Steve said ...

"Dave's thread helps ToE supporters"

then (several months later and several hundred failed arguments by ATBCers later) ...

"Ooops.  I mean it doesn't"

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Oh ... and I always love the "There IS no Evo/Creo Controversy" ...

Sure.  And Edmund's not teaching a class on it either.

:D  :D  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,20:56   

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"Dave's thread helps ToE supporters"

Dave,

You ought to be ashamed of your conduct and dishonesty.  You bring dishonor on Christianity with your boastful ignorance and outright lies.  It is because of people like you that others have a tough time telling the unsaved about Christ.

Rejoicing in your insolence and pride is disgusting.  You are one of the most insincere and dishonest people I have ever met and your morality pales in comparison to those of the "atheists" who have countered your arguments.

Do you have any clue how you have humiliated Christianity?  The only comfort I have is knowing the non-Christians here have enough sense to see you as not representing Christians as a whole.  They see you as an aberration.

You need to spend much more time learning the character of Jesus and much less time with Ken Ham.

Kevin Scott

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,20:59   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 31 2006,21:41)
Whining?  Lack of tolerance?  I've never accused Steve and Wesley of any such thing.  More of your fevered imagination.  I just think it's funny that Steve said ...

"Dave's thread helps ToE supporters"

then (several months later and several hundred failed arguments by ATBCers later) ...

"Ooops.  I mean it doesn't"

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Oh ... and I always love the "There IS no Evo/Creo Controversy" ...

Sure.  And Edmund's not teaching a class on it either.

:D  :D  :D

Please, don't anyone feel the need to defend me here. I don't think it's necessary.

Anyway, what was that Glenn Morton forum? It's bugging me that I can't remember....

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,21:36   

Scary Facts ... you seem to have a Casper Milktoast concept of Christianity ... have you never heard of how Jesus talked to the Pharisees?  There are some people here at ATBC who act like Pharisees and need some tough talking.  On the other hand, there are some decent people here too and you'll notice that I do not talk forcefully or sarcastically with them.

And I have never lied at this forum ... not even once.

I think you have some serious thinking to do about who are the "good guys" and who are the "bad guys" in this modern culture war.

You appear to have swallowed many fallacies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,21:53   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 31 2006,22:36)
Scary Facts ... you seem to have a Casper Milktoast concept of Christianity ... have you never heard of how Jesus talked to the Pharisees?  There are some people here at ATBC who act like Pharisees and need some tough talking.  On the other hand, there are some decent people here too and you'll notice that I do not talk forcefully or sarcastically with them.

And I have never lied at this forum ... not even once.

I think you have some serious thinking to do about who are the "good guys" and who are the "bad guys" in this modern culture war.

You appear to have swallowed many fallacies.

Dave,

Where to begin...

You have little understanding of the "character" of Jesus, especially in dealing with non-Christians.  I didn't come to your thread wanting evolution to be reality.  Instead I thought you would demonstrate the reality and honesty of a creationist view point.

Based on your vacuous arguments and the documented research by your adversaries it has become obvious to me evolution best explains the data we have available to us and your YEC falls apart completely.

Dave I have spent 25 years studying the Bible.  Only recently have I gone back to my science/math roots to explore things like evolution.

What I have found from "Christian" sources is dishonest and baseless.  Just as I have seen from you.

We are not in a "culture war" as you represent it--this is a question of honesty and dishonesty.  The question is really about whether we can accept reality or not and how that fits with Biblical faith.

You provide only denial as a basis for faith.  Many will read your words and lose their faith.  Fortunately for me I had a basis for my faith outside of literalism.  Many do not.

You claim to have never lied.  I beg to differ.  Your dishonesty is obvious for any neutral observer.

How dare you do this in the name of Christ.  It's appalling.

The Lord Rebuke You,

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,22:29   

Quote (afdave @ Dec. 31 2006,18:41)
"Dave's thread helps ToE supporters"

then (several months later and several hundred failed arguments by ATBCers later) ...

"Ooops.  I mean it doesn't"

Oh but it does, Dave. You, my son, are the poster-child for the absolutely uneducable, irrational, illogical, pig-ignorant segment of society that actually believes the biblical account of a 6,000 year old universe has a grain of truth to it (it doesn't). Your thread is Exhibit "A" in the stunning vacuity, the breathtaking inanity of biblical literalism.

But 11,000 posts is enough to prove the point.

 
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Oh ... and I always love the "There IS no Evo/Creo Controversy"

Sure, there's a controversy, Dave. But not in the scientific community.

There are plenty of ignorant yahoos such as yourself who believe godddidit. But none of them are life scientists who actually contribute meaningfully to the scientific literature on any subject that has anything remotely to do with evolutionary biology.

By the way, Dave. Did you ever notice how many people actually spoke up and said they agreed that you'd ever actually won any of your arguments? I believe the sum total is pretty close to, if not exactly, zero.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2006,22:33   

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And I have never lied at this forum ... not even once.

Amazing, Dave. This statement, in itself, is a lie. Congratulations. I've never seen self-reference done so elegantly and succinctly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2007,04:14   

Yikes!

Now Davey, that's some spectacular cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty you are demonstrating there. Seek professional psychiatric help. Immediately.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2007,21:51   

You know what was so frustrating about the afdave thread... Each new subtopic (carbon dating, Portuguese, Baboon dogs...) would start out just as uproariously as one of those classic Emily Litella routines (e.g. "What's all this I hear about saving endangered feces? Why, I say there's too much of the stuff as it is..."), but davy, lacking Gilda Radner's extraordinary comedic sense, never got around to the the anticipated punchline: "never mind".

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,05:55   

Russell ...      
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You know what was so frustrating about the afdave thread...
Hmmm ... No, I think the source of your frustration stems from the fact that you, a microbiology professor, are trying to defend one the Greatest Science Lies in History -- Darwinism.  And you've been thoroughly drubbed by a layman.  As each new topic would start, you (and your friends here) had high hopes that everything you'd been taught in school would work on this "bozo" AFDave.  Frustration would mount as I gave you quote after quote from scientific papers, many of them written by Darwinists, each one soundly refuting some aspect of your hallowed false doctrine.  What finally happened--this happens often when Creationists debate Darwinists--was that you got frustrated or tired (or both) and quit.  This is understandable.  And there's an easy way out.

Admit you are wrong.  Turn around today and start committing yourself to the truth.  Stop swallowing science lies and teaching them to others.  Admit you have wasted much of your life in this Grand Evolution Fairy Tale as Dr. John Sanford finally did near the end of his long and distinguished career at Cornell and in business. You should get a copy of his book, Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome, available at <a href="www.answersingenesis.org" target='_blank'>www.answersingenesis.org</a>
Admit the existence of your Creator, then get to know Him.  If you do this, you will be happy and fulfilled.   I am, so I should know.  Dr. Sanford is too.  Your Creator created you for a purpose.  Why don't you stop running from it?

Russell, you will never be truly happy and fulfilled in your life unless you take this simple step.  I truly wish all the best for you in '07 and my prayer for everyone here--even the porcupines--is that you would all "find the God of Heaven in Two Thousand Seven."

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,06:07   

never mind.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,07:03   

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Stop swallowing science lies...

...and, there we have it. To dave, science is lies. Maybe not all of it is lies, obviously whatever science is behind working computers and airplanes is sound. Sure there's some bad science out there, but referring broadly to any science, flat out, as lies, shows that he doesn't understand how science works, and that he is really an enemy of science.

This is why I think it's best to refuse to debate dave under the pretense that he has a hypothesis.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,07:31   

Most of science is not lies.  It's mainly the Darwinism and Millionsofyearsianism which pretends to be science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,07:40   

Look, I was doing you a favor by staying out of your thread. Maybe you could return it/there. I don't know what Millionsofyearsianism is, and Darwinism by itself is a little old fashioned. Probably the most honest thing you're capable of is to keep preaching like your 7AM post, but I'm not sure that's welcome on this board...

[edit] p.s. Sorry, but disallowing any date before 10,000 years ago puts you at odds with a lot of science. You don't think it's important stuff, only because you don't accept it as valid.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,07:42   

I believe the Davey Doodles thread has sprung a leak.

Could somebody put a cork in it?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,07:44   

Here's an interesting interview with creationist-turned-evolutionist Ron Numbers.

(I'm not sure if you need a subscription, or if Salon will let you read the article if you put up with advertisements)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,08:13   

EDIT: (moved to "Seeing the light" thread)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2007,17:49   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 02 2007,08:42)
I believe the Davey Doodles thread has sprung a leak.

Could somebody put a cork in it?

Maybe Janie or Kate would be willing to put their finger in the dike?  I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time.

   
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