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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,21:44   

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By BILL FOSTER
Published January 19, 2008

On Jan. 2, I spent my last day as a St. Petersburg city councilman. I was heralded by my colleagues and received a key to the city from the mayor. After almost 10 years of service, I was forced out of office due to term limits. Many nice things were said about me, and I received many cards and letters thanking me for my thoughtful years of service. By Jan. 12, area bloggers declared that I was "an idiot, a has-been, dangerous, a moron, unintelligent, a disappointment, ashamed, not mayor material, not human material, I shouldn't work, shouldn't have a job, shouldn't have friends, etc."

These were not happy people, and tar and feathers were the theme. In the span of 10 days, what could I have done to cause such a rapid descent from grace? Did I break the law? Did I cause harm to someone? Was I caught in an immoral act? None of the above.

I simply sent a letter to my local school board. As a concerned parent and citizen, am I not entitled to voice an opinion to the very body which I support as a taxpayer? True, I pointed out the deficiencies of Darwin's teachings. Much to the public's chagrin, I even used a few lines from Dr. James Kennedy as I made a connection between Darwin and Hitler. Mind you, I never said "no Darwin, no Hitler." What I did say was that the major assertions of Darwin contributed to the idea that certain people were superior (had greater social value) over others.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler expressed a warped view of religion and creationism by mentioning "the almighty creator" and the "sin of racial poisoning." One could say that Hitler twisted science and Darwinism to justify his abuse of religion. Darwinism appeared to support Hitler's disdain for the "unfit," so he twisted Darwinism to fit his case. Both ideologies devalue human life, and make the "fittest" superior over the weak. In my opinion, there is an undeniable correlation.

What is also undeniable is that there is growing dissent in the scientific community, and there are literally hundreds of leading experts in a multitude of scientific disciplines who are "skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life."


Read it here.

   
olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,22:03   

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there are literally hundreds of leading experts in a multitude of scientific disciplines who are "skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life."

More like 700 hundred crackpots.

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IanBrown_101



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,01:04   

What a jackass.

It's guys like him that give moronic religious fundamentalists a bad name.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,11:03   

This reminds me of the classic "but you f*** one sheep..." joke.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,12:08   

The debate on Darwins deficiencies being modern evolutionary biology, I don't see what this guys problem is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,19:48   

Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Jan. 20 2008,20:44)
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By BILL FOSTER
Published January 19, 2008

On Jan. 2, I spent my last day as a St. Petersburg city councilman. I was heralded by my colleagues and received a key to the city from the mayor. After almost 10 years of service, I was forced out of office due to term limits. Many nice things were said about me, and I received many cards and letters thanking me for my thoughtful years of service. By Jan. 12, area bloggers declared that I was "an idiot, a has-been, dangerous, a moron, unintelligent, a disappointment, ashamed, not mayor material, not human material, I shouldn't work, shouldn't have a job, shouldn't have friends, etc."

Oh, I doubt that they said literally that or paid him this much attention.

Notice that these guys always preface their statements with the insinuation that they're important people because important people (that they in the next sentence deny are important) laughed at them. That's the way obscurity rides to coattails of relevance to nowhere fast.

Whatever, Bill Taylor. *yawn* Have fun being another sucker.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,20:16   

Quote (olegt @ Jan. 20 2008,22:03)
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there are literally hundreds of leading experts in a multitude of scientific disciplines who are "skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life."

More like 700 hundred crackpots.

In fairness, almost none of them are biologists and the petition is phrased so weakly that, technically, it's largely true even of real biologists. I mean really, this is how it's phrased:

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We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.


That's all. That's the petition. Hey, I'm skeptical too. I'm skeptical of everything, and I think most scientists are too. I think everything should be examined carefully, too!

Even Dawkins probably qualifies for signatory status, if you actually pay attention to what it says and not the fact that it's a rhetorical tool for creationists.

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