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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,03:33   

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by John G. West
Posted Nov 14, 2006

The debate over Darwinian evolution is typically framed by the news media as a clash between “right” and “left.” Conservatives are presumed to be critical of Darwin’s theory, while liberals are presumed to be supportive of it.

As in most cases, reality is more complicated.

There always have been liberal critics of Darwin. In the early 20th Century, progressive reformer William Jennings Bryan fought for women’s suffrage, world peace—and against Darwinism. More recently, left-wing novelist Kurt Vonnegut, a self-described “secular humanist,” has called our human bodies “miracles of design” and faulted scientists for “pretending they have the answer as how we got this way when natural selection couldn’t possibly have produced such machines.”

Evolution to the Rescue?

Just as there have been critics of Darwin on the left, there continue to be champions of Darwinism on the right. In the last few years, pundits such as George Will, Charles Krauthammer and John Derbyshire, along with social scientist James Q. Wilson and political theorist Larry Arnhart, have stoutly defended Darwin’s theory and denounced Darwin’s critics.


And he doesn't like PZ none too much either. . .

 
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These efforts to purge the scientific community of any critics of Darwin are fueled by increasingly vehement rhetoric on the part of some evolutionists. In many states, it has become routine to apply the label of “Taliban” to anyone who supports teaching students about scientific criticisms of Darwinian theory.

Biology professor P. Z. Myers at the University of Minnesota, Morris, has demanded “the public firing and humiliation of some teachers” who express their doubts about Darwin. He further says, “It’s time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots.”

Whatever one’s personal view of Darwinism, the current atmosphere of intolerance is unhealthy for science, and it’s unhealthy for a free society.


Read it here.

   
tiredofthesos



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,06:22   

There's no reason to be polite about such an unpleasant, lying, swarmy person as this, so I may simply respond, FUCK John West and the horse he rode in on.
 I have no intention of living in the sort of "free" society he and his kind would impose, given ten seconds of power.  I do not consider such people worthy of anything EXCEPT scornful opposition. :angry:

  
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,07:08   

Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Nov. 14 2006,03:33)
The debate over Darwinian evolution

There is no "debate".

ID shot its load.

It lost.

Get used to it.


(shrug)

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,09:02   

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Whatever one’s personal view of Darwinism, the current atmosphere of intolerance is unhealthy for science, and it’s unhealthy for a free society.


Ho ho ho. A website with Ann Coulter's nasty sociopathic little face all over it is whining about 'intolerance', and claims to know what is 'healthy for science'. How quaint.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,10:40   

Debate? As Lenny says there is no debate. At least there's no scientific debate, the political wrangling is a different matter. I have to agree with Arden as well, John West whining about intolerance and claiming he knows what is healthy for science is so hilarious it's galling.

My irony meter just melted and it was an ACME Special Irony-o-tastic 3000 with fully integrated Sarcasm-o-tron Destabiliser, triple silver plated cowling (for better irony conduction) and osmium lined nano-irony probes for sensitivity and strength. It can measure irony levels down to 200 picosocrates and as high as 3 terasocrates (the socrates being the SI unit of irony).

To put things in context one microsocrates is the amount of ironic flux in the Alanis Morrisette song "Ironic" which contains no irony (the whole point of calling it "ironic" methinks). The entire output of Monty Python contained only 2.5 megasocrates. Oscar Wilde gained the, still unbeaten, world record personal ironic flux for a single comment at a massive 478.6 microsocrates. Mind you dear Oscar was something of an over acheiver, he has also got the world record for individual biting sarcasm at 301 kilosnarks, and the SI unit of wit is named after him. His lifetime out output of irony was in excess of one megasocrates.

My irony meter was sheilded to take over 5 terasocrates, accurate up to 3 as I said before. It is currently a smoking puddle of expensive metals and ceramics on my floor. The ceramics are STILL glowing! I estimate that it was exposed to an ironic flux of 5.7 terasocrates, more ironic flux than Ghost of Paley claiming to be a rational human being.

Amazing.

Louis

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Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2006,11:31   

Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2006,11:40)
...the Alanis Morrisette song "Ironic" which contains no irony...

No, no, old man!! :p That song definitely contains irony, it's just a little light on the backstory. It's ironic that the black fly lands in your chardonnay, 'cause you're two-fisting it and it would have been much less noticible if it landed in the merlot in your other hand. And that rain on your wedding day, that's ironic because you're marrying a native american, and they all know how to control the rain with dancing!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,00:40   

A song called "Ironic" with no irony is meta-irony.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,02:53   

I imagine the brackets after my comment regarding Ms Morissette's song explain my positions on its ironicaliness (oh yeah, that's a word, it is so a word).

Louis

P.S. HATE the prefix meta. It is the work of the devil, and not the good kind! But you're right....you magnificent bastard!

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mcc



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,04:30   

What if we pretend the title of this thread is "Campaign among the think tanks and media outlets of the right-wing noise machine to manufacture the illusion of controversy Over Evolution Not Going Away"

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,06:21   

How about the shorter:

Campaign for the
Legal
Insertion of
Tardalicious
Obfuscation and
Religiously
Inspired
Shite

It has the unfortunate acronym CLITORIS*, but it's relatively accurate.

Louis

* With thanks and apologies to Rob Grant and Doug Naylor, creators of Red Dwarf, from whence this was shamelessly plagorised and paraodied.

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Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,08:48   

Word!




"We are talking jape of the decade. We are talking April, May, June, July and August fool..."

/thread spirals out of control...

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,13:31   

Thread spirals out of control?

Bah relevance! I was relevant once, 1976 I think it was, or was it during the Crimea? Whenever it was I was definitely in possession of a banana, a stuffed Basset hound, and a large wardrobe. Purple is the new black by the way.

To drag us kicking and screaming back to some vague semblence of relevance:

Does West demonstrate almost Rimmerian unawareness of his lack of comprehension of the subject?

Louis

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tiredofthesos



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2006,17:24   

And what was the name of that great "Lenny & the Squigg-tones" song? ???

  
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