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melatonin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,11:13   

Thought you one/some of you guys might like to harvest lulz from this:

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The classic story regarding the evolution of antibiotic resistance that is taught to students at more-or-less all levels is that the presence of antibiotics - in growth medium, in an infected organism, etc. - kills off the susceptible bacteria, leaving resistant members to survive. More complex versions of this story note that early resistant mutant phenotypes tend to somewhat sensitive to antibiotics, and as more and more generations appear, the resistant phenotypes become more and more resistant, finally culminating in resistance to antibiotics at dosages that are utilized clinically.

Though quaint, plausible, and powerful with respect to explanatory scope, the story is simply not true.

It has been known for a good deal of time that most antibiotic resistance genes are acquired and passed to other bacteria via integrons, which are mobile genetic elements that can capture and transfer genes, and subsequently integrate them into other genomes in a site-specific manner. For the most part, antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a consequence of both inter- and intraspecies transfer of non-essential, self-replicating, extrachromosomal collections of genes and other elements of DNA information known as plasmids. An excellent article detailing this information was published in the journal Cell back in March of 2007.The abstract from this article nicely summarizes and supports what is written here (special emphasis added by mattison0922):



Molecular Mechanisms of Antibacterial Multidrug Resistance
Cell 128(6):1037-1050
Michael N. Alekshun and Stuart B. Levy

Treatment of infections is compromised worldwide by the emergence of bacteria that are resistant to multiple antibiotics. Although classically attributed to chromosomal mutations, resistance is most commonly associated with extrachromosomal elements acquired from other bacteria in the environment. These include different types of mobile DNA segments, such as plasmids, transposons, and integrons. However, intrinsic mechanisms not commonly specified by mobile elements—such as efflux pumps that expel multiple kinds of antibiotics—are now recognized as major contributors to multidrug resistance in bacteria. Once established, multidrug-resistant organisms persist and spread worldwide, causing clinical failures in the treatment of infections and public health crises....

The means that microbes use to evade antibiotics certainly predate and outnumber the therapeutic interventions themselves. In a recent collection of soil-dwelling Streptomyces (the producers of many clinical therapeutic agents), every organism was multidrug resistant. Most were resistant to at least seven different antibiotics, and the phenotype of some included resistance to 15–21 different drugs...


This is actually summarized quite nicely in a story (Medical Tribune, 29 December 1988, pp.1, 23, no electronic resource known to be available) about some unfortunate sailors who froze to death on an Arctic expedition back in 1845. The sailors were buried in the permafrost until 1986 when their bodies were exhumed. Given that the sailors had been frozen solid in the permafrost, the bodies were extremely well preserved; in fact, researchers were able to isolate and revive six strains of 19th century bacteria found within the contents of the sailors' intestines. These 19th century bacteria - bacteria that were alive prior to the discovery of penicillin were found to be resistant to several modern-day antibiotics, including penicillin.

Another article has appeared that further corrupts the classic story of the development antibiotic resistance via Darwinian evolution. The abstract is reproduced below:



Integrons are found in the genome of hundreds of environmental bacteria but are mainly known for their role in the capture and spread of antibiotic resistance determinants among Gram-negative pathogens. We report a direct link between this system and the ubiquitous SOS response. We found that LexA controlled expression of most integron integrases and consequently regulated cassette recombination. This regulatory coupling enhanced the potential for cassette swapping and capture in cells under stress, while minimizing cassette rearrangements or loss in constant environments. This finding exposes integrons as integrated adaptive systems and has implications for antibiotic treatment policies.



You got all that, right?

Perhaps not. I'll do the best I can do translate it: This particular article details the molecular mechanism behind the transfer of resistance genes between bacteria. As the article details, it's the use of antibiotics themselves that actually triggers the synthesis of a specific bacterial enzyme that identifies and preferentially captures the resistance genes, and subsequently facilitates their expression. Additionally, this enzyme promotes the rearrangement of these resistance genes. The rearrangement of these genes alters the order of when the genes are expressed. New rearrangements that are triggered by taking an antibiotics, and those bacteria that have 'correctly' rearranged their genes, creating a new resistance cassette, will be able to survive and pass on resistance not only vertically, to subsequent generations, but also horizontally; bacteria can pass resistance genes to their neighbors in a deliberate manner.

This is huge. The classic Darwinian story render the organism entirely a slave to the environment, unable to respond or adapt at the individual level. Only a lucky few - a few that are resistant simply by chance - survive the selective pressure of antibiotic use, and are able to pass on their genes.

Or as you've been more simply taught: Survival of the fittest.

This new research clearly indicates that this isnotnecessarily the case; indeed, it appears that - contrary to what I've been taught more-or-less through my entire history in science - individual organisms, not just populations are able to react to and adapt to the environment.

Or at least individual microorganisms are able to do this.

It cannot be stressed enough how significant of a break this is from the classic story of antibiotic resistance via Darwinian evolution. The idea that the individual and not just the population of organisms can adapt to a changing environment at the DNA level is literally scientific heresy.

This is of course more evidence, another huge piece of evidence suggesting that The Theory of Evolution with respect Darwin's ideas is at least not as well understood as was once believed, and at most completely, utterly, and totally false.


Last I heard the guy was a post-doc at a Uni in the US. So might be more interesting than fisking the rubes on UD.

I've had enough of the forum it's posted on (it's worse than UD for eejits and sockpuppets), and refuse to post anymore (lol). But even from my poor bio background (being a mere psychologist), I think Matty ignores the other mechanisms of resistance, with acquired resistance via plasmids et al being just one.

For the integron issue, I found a review paper that talks about their evolution (Mazel, 2006). So it's an evolved mechanism that aids bacterial survival when the organism is stressed; and is thus well-placed to act under antibiotic attack.

And the last part is just pretty sad. But it will work on the many wackaloons and fundiegelicals.

Anyway, if anyone fancies harvesting some lulz, the thread is on a conspiracy site. As I said, he is/was a post-doc, and his thesis at ASU was on the molecular biology of photosynthesis. He's big on frontloading from what I remember. But is a top-secret IDer scared of Darwinist jackbooted nazis. He does apparently converse with Behe.

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,11:19   

I am a 100% layman right here, but when you said "Integron",the word "Phlogiston" just poped out.

Maybe integrons are a scientific reality, I'll have to check this out, but the name doesn't roll off the tongue, does it?

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melatonin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,11:27   

Heh, I'm really a layman for molecular bio as well. But they do exist:

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Integrons: agents of bacterial evolution

Didier Mazel

Integrons are assembly platforms — DNA elements that acquire open reading frames embedded in exogenous gene cassettes and convert them to functional genes by ensuring their correct expression. They were first identified by virtue of their important role in the spread of antibiotic-resistance genes. More recently, our understanding of their importance in bacterial genome evolution has broadened with the discovery of larger integron structures, termed superintegrons. These DNA elements contain hundreds of accessory genes and constitute a significant fraction of the genomes of many bacterial species. Here, the basic biology of integrons and superintegrons, their evolutionary history and the evidence for the existence of a novel recombination pathway is reviewed.

Nat. Rev. Microbiol. 4 (2006), pp. 608–620

The paper describes some phylogentic research that the mobile integrons evolved from earlier 'superintegrons'.

  
Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,11:29   

Ok, fair enough.

But the name still sucks! Sounds like a bad Decepticon meme from Transformers...

:D  :D  :D

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2009,12:35   

"Integrons" is new to me, but plasmids have been known about for years.  In fact one of them, pBR322, was found in dinosaur DNA*.

They don't change the basic story: if you start blasting bacteria with antibiotics, it's the ones with plasmids with resistance that survive.  As well as the ones that pick up the plasmid.  So the story is more complicated, but that's always the way in biology.

* the dinosaur DNA thing is sort-of true.  Crichton gives a sequence in <i>Jurassic Park</i>, and some one checked it out.

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