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deejay Posts: 113 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,10:34    On the Thumb, there’s a piece about “Creato-Terrorism” and some of the commenters talked about having their Darwin fish vandalized or receiving notes on their windshield to the effect that they will burn in hell.  I was wondering whether anyone here had stories to share about similar experiences.  IIRC, there was a New York Times article a while ago about a guy who went around leaving surveys on cars sporting various versions Darwin or Christ fishes.  The survey had some standard multiple choice questions and a free response section, and the guy who did the survey said that some of the free responses he received were several paragraphs long. Because something as small as a sticker can stir such passions, I’ve taken the Toothpaste for Dinner approach to bumper stickers in general.  It’s also because I’ve gotten older, have my own business, and I don’t want to stick my opinions in my clients’ faces.   I admit that when I see the version of the “Truth” fish swallowing the Darwin fish, I get riled enough to be tempted to leave a note either with the ninth commandment or the url for the Kitzmiller decision, but I haven’t followed through.  ‘ Stories, anyone?

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,10:46    I have had my Darwin fish prised off my car before. And this is in the UK. Nuts exist here too. However I felt the best way to combat this was to cover my car's rear end with exciting stickers of similar vein (it was prised off at work and I have a very good idea who did it. In fact only video of the event would make me more certain). One of the key pieces of evidence for the culprit's guilt  was the degree of sulking this caused. Unfortunately it also made me laugh every time I saw the culprit. I never said I was a nice person. Louis -------------- Bye.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,10:48    Quote (deejay @ July 11 2007,10:34) On the Thumb, there’s a piece about “Creato-Terrorism” and some of the commenters talked about having their Darwin fish vandalized or receiving notes on their windshield to the effect that they will burn in hell.  I was wondering whether anyone here had stories to share about similar experiences.  IIRC, there was a New York Times article a while ago about a guy who went around leaving surveys on cars sporting various versions Darwin or Christ fishes.  The survey had some standard multiple choice questions and a free response section, and the guy who did the survey said that some of the free responses he received were several paragraphs long. Because something as small as a sticker can stir such passions, I’ve taken the Toothpaste for Dinner approach to bumper stickers in general.  It’s also because I’ve gotten older, have my own business, and I don’t want to stick my opinions in my clients’ faces.   I admit that when I see the version of the “Truth” fish swallowing the Darwin fish, I get riled enough to be tempted to leave a note either with the ninth commandment or the url for the Kitzmiller decision, but I haven’t followed through.  ‘ Stories, anyone? Personally, I mean, I have this friend, that likes to throw a life-size crucifix through the windshields of cars with Jesus Fish on the bumpers. ps:  Homeland Security - No, sorry, nothing to do here.  This is only Street Theater. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,11:07    I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Rev. BigDumbChimp Posts: 185 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,11:15    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. I'm in the bible belt of Charleston SC and I have the same FSM as carsonjk as well as stickers that say "Somewhere in Texas a village is missing it's idiot" and "Intelligent Design is junk science" I've had no issues. However I attribute this to the fact that I think there is a large portion of the population that have no clue what any of those mean. And not just the south. The ID sticker is wearing out so I think I'm replacing it with the "I went to the creation museum and all I got was stupider" sticker.

Darth Robo Posts: 148 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,11:24    "I have had my Darwin fish prised off my car before." Quite surprised to hear that happened in the UK, I wouldn't have thought it was that well known.   Little buggers!     -------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,11:42    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. You are very likely the only person in Oklahoma who knows what the FSM is. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,11:51    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,11:42) Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. You are very likely the only person in Oklahoma who knows what the FSM is. Not true.  I was wearing a FSM T-shirt while waiting in line at my favorite Mexican restaurant (*) and I noticed a minor hub-bub at a table near the entrance because of it. Okay, it was mainly furtive pointing and hushed whispers, but it was clearly about the FSM. (*) Wrong thread, but note to Steve:  a chain Mexican restaurant is an oxy-frigging-moron. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,12:02    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:51) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,11:42) Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. You are very likely the only person in Oklahoma who knows what the FSM is. Not true.  I was wearing a FSM T-shirt while waiting in line at my favorite Mexican restaurant (*) and I noticed a minor hub-bub at a table near the entrance because of it. Okay, it was mainly furtive pointing and hushed whispers, but it was clearly about the FSM. How do you know your fly wasn't open or something? I feel left out. I live in the East Bay of the SF Bay Area. I could put a GEORGE BUSH SUCKS RHINO DICK IN HELL bumper sticker on my car, and provided I didn't drive out into the San Joaquin Valley, all I'd get would be honks and thumbs up signals. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,12:14    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,12:02)     Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:51) Not true.  I was wearing a FSM T-shirt while waiting in line at my favorite Mexican restaurant (*) and I noticed a minor hub-bub at a table near the entrance because of it. Okay, it was mainly furtive pointing and hushed whispers, but it was clearly about the FSM. How do you know your fly wasn't open or something? Well, I was trying to read their lips.  I am fairly certain they said "flying spaghetti" right before they distinctly said "monster."  But, I suppose I could be wrong. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Rev. BigDumbChimp Posts: 185 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,12:46    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,12:14) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,12:02)     Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:51) Not true.  I was wearing a FSM T-shirt while waiting in line at my favorite Mexican restaurant (*) and I noticed a minor hub-bub at a table near the entrance because of it. Okay, it was mainly furtive pointing and hushed whispers, but it was clearly about the FSM. How do you know your fly wasn't open or something? Well, I was trying to read their lips.  I am fairly certain they said "flying spaghetti" right before they distinctly said "monster."  But, I suppose I could be wrong. :) Maybe they said something about your fly and your monster... ugh sorry

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,12:51    Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ July 11 2007,12:46) Maybe they said something about your fly and your monster... Richardhughes - You will never find a better straight line than this.  Evar -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

lkeithlu Posts: 321 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,12:54    I have a pirate fish and my younger son has an FSM fish. No one has a clue what they mean (rural TN) and they are too polite or shy to ask. I suspect they'd get a Darwin fish, though, but my older son is named Darwin, and he would not appreciate my putting one on. (he caught he11 for his name when he lived in-state, but now he is in Boston) Of course, I drive a 'furin' car (Hyundai) and my son drives an ancient minivan, so clearly we are not from around here. No trucks at the present time. Once upon a time we did have an extended cab, long bed, Ford F-150 4X4. Had two fuel tanks, one to get to the Walmart, and one to get back.

CCP Posts: 25 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,13:33    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. I feel for you. I did six years in Stillwater...my sister-in-law gave me a Darwinfish as a gift, but I was scared to display it. I mean, I was driving a bright-green 1971 VW bus complete with Grateful Dead insigniae, but was not willing to add the fish. Oklahomans.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,14:24    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,12:51) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,11:42) Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. You are very likely the only person in Oklahoma who knows what the FSM is. Not true.  I was wearing a FSM T-shirt while waiting in line at my favorite Mexican restaurant (*) and I noticed a minor hub-bub at a table near the entrance because of it. Okay, it was mainly furtive pointing and hushed whispers, but it was clearly about the FSM. (*) Wrong thread, but note to Steve:  a chain Mexican restaurant is an oxy-frigging-moron. You wore a T-shirt depicting flying Italian food in a Mexican restaurant? What did you expect? -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,14:35    Quote (CCP @ July 11 2007,13:33)   Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,11:07) I live in Oklahoma and have a Flying Spaghetti Monster on the back of my pickup and have never had a problem.  I suppose it could be because FSM is a wee bit more obscure than a Darwin fish. I feel for you. I did six years in Stillwater...my sister-in-law gave me a Darwinfish as a gift, but I was scared to display it. I mean, I was driving a bright-green 1971 VW bus complete with Grateful Dead insigniae, Isn't that a felony there? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,15:37    Deleted as it riffed on a different thread. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,15:43    Quote (Darth Robo @ July 11 2007,17:24) "I have had my Darwin fish prised off my car before." Quite surprised to hear that happened in the UK, I wouldn't have thought it was that well known.   Little buggers!     :angry: I was very surprised because the culprit didn't seem like a fundy nutter. If I hadn't been at work with this person, and thus requiredto maintain a suitable profession disposition and relationship, I would have been moved to level one sarcasm. Or possibly even level two. Just goes to show that nutters is everywhere. And you're right it ISN'T that well known. In fact it's positively obscure, but a proper nutter (or one who is aware of proper nutters) would know what it is. Louis -------------- Bye.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,15:51    Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,15:37) Deleted as it riffed on a different thread. I thought it was quite apropos.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,15:53    So, basically, nobody likes my "throw-a-life-size-crucifix through-the-window" idea? Too severe?  Not severe enough?  Help me out here! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,16:43    Quote (Louis @ July 11 2007,15:43) Quote (Darth Robo @ July 11 2007,17:24) "I have had my Darwin fish prised off my car before." Quite surprised to hear that happened in the UK, I wouldn't have thought it was that well known.   Little buggers!     :angry: I was very surprised because the culprit didn't seem like a fundy nutter. If I hadn't been at work with this person, and thus requiredto maintain a suitable profession disposition and relationship, I would have been moved to level one sarcasm. Or possibly even level two. Just goes to show that nutters is everywhere. And you're right it ISN'T that well known. In fact it's positively obscure, but a proper nutter (or one who is aware of proper nutters) would know what it is. Louis Surely that's treason, being British and not automatically being on level one. For shame Louis! Now, can someone explain who this Glen person is and why he's just turned up and started talking about something else? -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

deejay Posts: 113 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,17:29    Thank you all for your responses.  I’m sorry about your vandalism experience, Louis. No one got any notes? How about any thoughts on yielding to that urge to leave a note in response to the “Truth” fish swallowing the Darwin fish?  As noted above, I thought about something short and sweet, like a “Thou shalt not bear false witness” comment, or the URL for the Kitzmiller decision.   I’m probably at least a year too late bringing this up, anyway.  On top of that, I simply don’t see as many “Truth” fish in Massachusetts as I did where I used to live in Montana. Some of Glen’s post-meltdown posts are on the Bathroom Wall, where said discussion probably belongs.  I don’t recall the original source.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,18:09    Quote (J-Dog @ July 11 2007,21:53) So, basically, nobody likes my "throw-a-life-size-crucifix through-the-window" idea? Too severe?  Not severe enough?  Help me out here! Giant wooden crucifix through windscreen = good. Burning giant wooden crucifix covered in dog poopy through windscreen = too far. HTH Louis P.S. I liked it. -------------- Bye.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,18:13    Discussion about Glen should be moved to the Bathroom Wall, to keep this thread topical.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,18:18    Back when I had a car, someone peeled my Darwin fish off the rear bumper, broke it in half, and dropped it on the hood. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2007,18:20    I *really* like the darwin-fish variant that serves as my avatar.  Alas, showing it in public around here would probably get a brick tossed through my window. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Darth Robo Posts: 148 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2007,07:09    Yeah, I like that one.   Though strangely isn't showing up at the moment.  Probably cuz our 'net connection can be a bit naff.   -------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."

deejay Posts: 113 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2007,07:32    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 11 2007,18:20) I *really* like the darwin-fish variant that serves as my avatar.   But what will the offspring be like?  Or is it...oh yes, I see. Never mind.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2007,18:02    Quote (Darth Robo @ July 12 2007,07:09) Yeah, I like that one.   :D Though strangely isn't showing up at the moment.  Probably cuz our 'net connection can be a bit naff.   ??? No, it's because the image is stored at my geocities "Creation 'Science' Debunked" page, and geocities limits the amount of bandwidth per hour.  So anytime anyone reads more than about half the site, it shuts down for the rest of the hour, and my avatar is then unreachable. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Darth Robo Posts: 148 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2007,08:10    geocities - obviously run by inefficient organic meatbags. -------------- "Commentary: How would you like to be the wholly-owned servant to an organic meatbag? It's demeaning! If, uh, you weren't one yourself, I mean..."

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2007,17:22    Quote (Darth Robo @ July 13 2007,08:10) geocities - obviously run by inefficient organic meatbags. Ah well -- it's free, and I'm poor. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

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