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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,11:54   

Who on Earth would employ someone as a geologist with this type of degree ? From Ken Ham's blog today:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs....+Ham%29

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Cedarville University also offers, as far as we are aware, the only specialist undergraduate creationist geology program at a Christian college in the USA (most probably the world).  They began this course in 2009, and state the following on their website:

GEOLOGY DEGREE ADDED TO COURSE OFFERINGS

by Public Relations Office—Cedarville, Ohio

February 9, 2009

Cedarville University’s Board of Trustees recently approved the formation of the Bachelor of Science in geology degree, set to begin in fall 2009.

Faculty will equip students for lifelong scientific leadership in career fields such as hydrogeology, environmental geology, petroleum geology and numerous other areas of expertise.

The degree will offer a whole host of new opportunities for graduates,” shares Dr. John Whitmore, associate professor of geology. “Geologists help us find clean drinking water, petroleum, natural gas, coal and valuable minerals.

The program will be unique in that no other Christian school, that holds to a literal six-day account of Genesis offers geology as a major for undergraduates. The course of study will be taught from both naturalistic and young-earth paradigms of earth history.

It is extremely important to develop critical thinking skills within the minds of young scientists,” describes Whitmore. “We believe that using a two-model approach of earth history will be advantageous to our students, since others are only taught a one-model, naturalistic approach. Geologists are important when it comes to thinking about earth history, especially within a biblical context.

Coursework will be rigorous and emphasize hands-on experience along with required field work. The geology major will include a wide range of liberal arts classes along with calculus, physics, chemistry, biology, physical geology, historical geology, mineralogy, petrology, structural geology, stratigraphy, sedimentology, geomorphology, invertebrate paleontology, and environmental geology among other upper-level areas of study. The major will prepare students for both graduate school and industry.


and from Cedarville's website:

http://www.cedarville.edu/Academi....gy.aspx

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B.S. in Geology
Cedarville's Bachelor of Science degree in geology provides a core of classes that prepares students for graduate studies or employment in a wide variety of geological fields. The program is unique in that no other Christian university that holds to a literal six-day account of Genesis offers geology as a major for undergraduates. Skills needed by modern geologists such as observation, interpretation, model analysis, critical thinking, and field work are emphasized throughout the program. Opportunities for undergraduate research and publication are encouraged. The coursework is rigorous and very similar to coursework at other secular, Christian, and private schools. It prepares students for a successful career in graduate school or professional employment in the geosciences.

Opportunities abound for students who successfully complete undergraduate geology curriculums. Employment opportunities include:

•Economic geology: all types of mining and mineral extraction from the earth including gold, copper, silver, coal, and iron
•Engineering geology: consultant on planning and construction of buildings, roads, bridges, landfills, and tunnels and planning against the effect of earthquakes and other geological disasters
•Environmental geology: water and soil testing and remediation, toxic chemical cleanup, environmental impact consultant, study and impact of climate change
•Environmental law: litigation of various aspects dealing with the environment and human impact
•Field geology: making of maps, monitoring geological hazards (earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis) and studying their potential human impact, field study and interpretation
•Geological education: opportunities abound from middle childhood through Ph.D. levels
•Historical geology: studying the past history and life of earth, paleontology and paleoclimatology
•Hydrogeology and hydrology: specializing in all aspects of groundwater and stream geology
•Petroleum geology: search and extraction of oil, natural gas, and coal
•Scientific writing and editing: write and edit scientific articles and books

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,12:07   

Well, Ken Ham himself is a pretty successful gold digger...

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,12:08   

That's hilarious.

"Well, here's the actual science you're going to need to be of any use to anyone.... but here's what the Bible sez."

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,12:20   

BS in geology, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,13:00   

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BS in geology, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,14:17   

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BS in geology, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

And you get your diploma in six working days.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,14:21   

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BS in geology, indeed.

Yes, indeed.

And you get your diploma in six working days.

Except if something unexpected comes along during the curriculum...




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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,14:48   

I guess not everybody can do rock science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,14:59   

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I guess not everybody can do rock science.

My best laugh today. Still laughing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2010,21:02   

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“We believe that using a two-model approach of earth history will be advantageous to our students, since others are only taught a one-model, naturalistic approach.


Gosh, it's kind of like having your guitar go to eleven. If your geology only has one model where can you go? With creationist geology you can go to two! Jeebus wins!!!1!11!!onetyone!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,13:55   

Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,16:46   

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Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

Yeah, The Institute for Creation Research has offered degrees in creationst geology since the 1970s. They have been accredited in California.

The scum bags were just denied in Texas which I find very ironic.

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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,18:53   

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Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,19:23   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 02 2010,18:53)
   
Quote (fusilier @ Sep. 02 2010,13:55)
Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/

Looks like Glenn hasn't posted on his climate change denier blog since 4/29/10.  I wonder if he's rid himself of (another) Morton's Demon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,21:46   

Quote (socle @ Sep. 02 2010,17:23)
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 02 2010,18:53)
     
Quote (fusilier @ Sep. 02 2010,13:55)
Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/

Looks like Glenn hasn't posted on his climate change denier blog since 4/29/10.  I wonder if he's rid himself of (another) Morton's Demon.

I haven't heard from since his birthday. He is very concerned (reasonably) with his prostrate cancer, and I doubt he feels like wasting much more effort on any controversies.

I was disappointed in his reaction to AGW.

Oh well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,22:18   

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I haven't heard from since his birthday. He is very concerned (reasonably) with his prostrate cancer, and I doubt he feels like wasting much more effort on any controversies.

I was disappointed in his reaction to AGW.

Oh well.

Oops---I didn't even know he was ill.  Sorry to hear that.  


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2010,23:19   

Quote (socle @ Sep. 02 2010,19:23)
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 02 2010,18:53)
     
Quote (fusilier @ Sep. 02 2010,13:55)
Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/

Looks like Glenn hasn't posted on his climate change denier blog since 4/29/10.  I wonder if he's rid himself of (another) Morton's Demon.

Sadly, the answer is no.  He reappeared at TWeb last week posting the same old tired cherry-picked weather data, same pictures of weather stations next to AC units, same idiotic anti-AGW claims, etc.

The guy's lost it mentally.

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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2010,05:13   

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I haven't heard from since his birthday. He is very concerned (reasonably) with his prostrate cancer, and I doubt he feels like wasting much more effort on any controversies.


   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 02 2010,23:19)
     
Quote (socle @ Sep. 02 2010,19:23)
       
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Sep. 02 2010,18:53)
           
Quote (fusilier @ Sep. 02 2010,13:55)
Paging Glenn Morton.

Call for Mr. Morton.

http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/

Looks like Glenn hasn't posted on his climate change denier blog since 4/29/10.  I wonder if he's rid himself of (another) Morton's Demon.

Sadly, the answer is no.  He reappeared at TWeb last week posting the same old tired cherry-picked weather data, same pictures of weather stations next to AC units, same idiotic anti-AGW claims, etc.

The guy's lost it mentally.

Yep, sorry to hear he's not well Gary.

I think his testimony is invaluable, especially this bit:

     
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Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry.  I asked them one question.

"From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true? ,"

That is a very simple question.  One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said 'No!'  A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, "Wait a minute.  There has to be one!"  But he could not name one.  I can not name one.  No one else could either.  One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry.  I do not know what his spiritual state is now but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.


I think that question should be posed at every single YEC talk, especially when they start to make claims about geology.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm

By the way, I think his material at entouch.net should be archived at Talkorigins. It's far to valuable to be lost should anything happen to Glenn. I'm sure he wouldn't mind if this were to happen.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2010,07:39   

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I haven't heard from since his birthday. He is very concerned (reasonably) with his prostrate cancer, and I doubt he feels like wasting much more effort on any controversies.

I was disappointed in his reaction to AGW.

Oh well.

I'm very sorry to hear that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2010,09:59   

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Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry.  I asked them one question.

"From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true? ,"

That is a very simple question.  One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said 'No!'  A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, "Wait a minute.  There has to be one!"  But he could not name one.  I can not name one.  No one else could either.  One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry.  I do not know what his spiritual state is now but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.

My gal works for a geo-engineering firm. Apparently one of their engineers quit when he had to actually look at the old rocks.

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