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sparc Posts: 2075 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2013,23:34    Caroline Crocker presented "Bunk Detecting Principles to Help the Public Assess ‘Scientific’ Claims” during the ASA annual meeting 2012 (Audio and slides are available here and here).   Quote Principle #1 Check if the author claims that something has been proven or declares something to be a fact.   Quote Principle #2 Check if the author makes claims to have accomplished something that is beyond what has actually been done.   Quote Principle #3 Check if what is said is scientifically accurate.   Quote Principle #4 Beware of grandiose claims.   Quote Principle #5 Check if the claims can be tested scientifically, that is, can they be measured.   Quote Principle #6 Be careful when an author makes too much of the scientific qualifications of those involved or disparages those who do not agree his/her views.   Quote Principle #7 Check that the "satisfied customers," "experts," study participants, and promoters of the idea or product exist and do not stand to gain from their testimony or participation.   Quote Principle #8 Finally, be skeptical. Do not be quick to believe people, especially when it involves your health, faith and/or money! I guess she never tried to assess ID-creationism this way. (Edited to close brackets) Edited by sparc on Jan. 21 2013,00:03 -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2013,23:42    Quote Finally, be skeptical. Do not be quick to believe people, especially when it involves your health, faith and/or money! Why yes, be skeptical of anything that threatens your credulousness! What else is skepticism for, anyway? Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,08:33    The AITSE is Crocker's little company pawned off as a "consortium" of - well, whatever. Dembski and Marks are "members" for what it's worth. I think Crocker's little company specializes in credential inflation using a frothy mixture of hot air and steaming bullshit.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,13:16    Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 21 2013,08:33) The AITSE is Crocker's little company pawned off as a "consortium" of - well, whatever. Dembski and Marks are "members" for what it's worth. I think Crocker's little company specializes in credential inflation using a frothy mixture of hot air and steaming bullshit. Quote I think Crocker's little company specializes in credential inflation using a frothy mixture of hot air and steaming bullshit. Was that 'consortium" or "Santorum" -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,15:30    I just hit the post key when I thought of "consantorium." Creationists have a penchant for signing up with these shill do-nothing bullshit entities.  If your resume's as bad as Dembski's anything looks good on it.

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,16:30    The AITSE homepage has a helpful little green bar at the bottom where you can sign up for their newsletter.  Currently it reads, "Join 4 other subscribers."   In other words, this is an unparalleled opportunity to get in on the ground floor of some truly innovative work in High Energy Irony and Applied Propagandistics.

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2013,19:13    Also, if you look at their, er, her Programs 'n' Projects - there aren't any. And under Events is Crocker's meager travel schedule through March.  "Events" are just her going places, well, going nowhere but doing it in a different location.

k.e.. Posts: 5427 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2013,09:20    #9 Be ironic-al. Be quick to suggest false truths or ilogical tests as though they were rational conclusions from religious belief. Especially when it involves my book sales, seminars or self promotion. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2013,10:06    Although the Bible is not mentioned, # 1 obviously should disqualify most of them, so why bother with the rest? Edited by Quack on Jan. 22 2013,10:07 -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2013,12:03    Quote The Problem:  Some "treatments" and "beliefs" can be harmful...or deadly. Some of these still should be taught to children as truth, however. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2013,12:36    Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 21 2013,16:30) The AITSE homepage has a helpful little green bar at the bottom where you can sign up for their newsletter.  Currently it reads, "Join 4 other subscribers."   That was on January 21. Now, on the 27th, there are SIX subscribers! That's a phenomenal growth of fifty percent in just six days! By my calculations, AITSE is on track to have over ONE BILLION subscribers by 2015! It looks like the tide is finally turning against the Darwinist expellers.

qetzal Posts: 311 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2013,08:20    Principle #9: Check if the author deliberately misrepresents others' views. Caroline Crocker, paraphrasing Brian Alters to illustrate Principle #6 (emphasis in original):     Quote Only 50% of the American public "believe" in evolution. Could only be for one of three reasons. 1) Scientific illiteracy, 2) Religious illiteracy, or 3) The activity of the "large...powerful...very effective" anti-evolution industry. Brian Alters, Chapman U, http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/2010.......10....2 What the article actually said (emphasis added):     Quote Alters gave three main reasons for widespread misconceptions about evolution in the United States. (Also, Principle #10: Beware the ellipses!)

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2013,11:27    Global warming denial, it figures... http://www.aitse.org/global-....-or-not Edited by Tracy P. Hamilton on Jan. 31 2013,11:27 -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2013,22:18    AITSE has closed its doors. Perhaps Dr. Crocker lacked credibility as an authority on distinguishing good science from crock science?

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2013,23:30    Quote (Learned Hand @ Oct. 11 2013,22:18) AITSE has closed its doors. Perhaps Dr. Crocker lacked credibility as an authority on distinguishing good science from crock science? Or maybe they noticed something about their "science," at which point it self-annihilated. Well, that's what would have happened had they ever been any good at detecting bunk.  Fortunately for their cognitive biases, though, massive ignorance and distortion prevents them from even recognizing the power of the take-downs that come in response to their crockery, hence their boring repetition of the latter. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

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