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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,13:32   

First of all they took down the picture of Jesus holding a tiny dinosaur from the same named article :-(

But here is something very funny.  Until today Conservapedia was using this logo:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Conservlogo.png

Hidden in that same image (the alpha channel) is the following:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Conservalpha.png

And if you open the image with notepad and scroll to the bottom you'll read:

"Thank you for investigating this file
enough to find this little note. Here's a
treat for you:
Place this image onto a dark
background and look real close.
If you can't see anything, use
graphical manipulation software
to up the brightness and contrast.
You'll find out what I actually
feel about this website.

You see, I find the very existence of
Conservapedia repugnant. Please do not
use this website. It really is a crock of
shit.

-- MarkyH, concerned "liberal."


Yes I am serious.  Conservapedia changed their logo when this was discussed at Wikipedia.  It is likely the Wiki article will be updated with the new Conservapedia logo so I'd suggest you download a copy of the image before it vanishes (if stuff like this amuses you that is).

Chris

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,14:46   

Pretty funny - How did you find out about this?  I am assuming that the Graphic artist didn't call you right?

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2007,14:59   

I follow the conservapedia article on Wikipedia.  They have been discussing it on the talk page.  I believe that's what tipped Conservapedia off to it.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2007,15:35   

From Conservapedia's greatest hits I bring you the Big Bang Theory!

...Young earth creationist scientists hotly contest the Big Bang Theory. They trace lineages in the Bible to estimate the age of the Earth to be around 6,000 years.

In contrast to young earth creationists, Old Earth Creationists and Theistic evolutionists agree that the Big Bang occured. Some Old Earth Creationists and Theistic Evolutionist argue that the Big Bang is in fact mentioned in the Bible. However, the Bible makes no mention of the "Big Bang". While the universe has been observed to be expanding, this need not be used as evidence of a Big Bang, because the Bible states in Jeremiah that God "stretched out the heavens".


Man where would modern science be without the bible and especilly the book of Jeremiah.  What, without the bible we'd all be living in tents, have a few wives, believe the sun circles the earth, and sleep with camels.

Heck, without the bible we'd all still be living in the dark ages!

Anyhow, it's nice to see the quality articles Conservapedia feeds to the homeschooled.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,20:24   

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Conservapedia originated as a project for homeschooled, high-school-level students in New Jersey[8][2] by Schlafly, a U.S. history teacher for the Eagle Forum University educational program.[9] He felt the need to start the project after reading a student's assignment written using Common Era dating notation rather than the Anno Domini system that he preferred


Shorter Wikipedia: "Andrew Schlafly is a f&$%ing lunatic"

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2008,20:28   

I assume you're all familiar with the Conservapedia blowup about Lensnki. I think the funniest bit is on the Conservapedia talk page, several of the users seem to think Aschafly is an idiot.

   
tmtoulouse



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,10:41   

Andy Schlafly is an idiot, there is no doubt about it. I have learned more about him than I ever wanted to know. His series of articles on liberal "x" (style, grading, professors, friends etc.) is classic stuff.

If you are interested in a log of conservapedia wackiness check out:

Whats going on at CP

Best of CP

While its developed along a different path the inspiration for these pages was actually the great work you guys have done with the Uncommonly Dense thread for UD which I regularly lurk at.

  
dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,11:11   

Arsle is swedish for "ass". Good ol' Andy's username is Aschlafly.
Ass-fly?

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,12:45   

The images are gone. Anyone know where they can be found?

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tmtoulouse



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,13:02   

Quote (midwifetoad @ June 19 2008,12:45)
The images are gone. Anyone know where they can be found?

Yes. RationalWiki hosts the old logo you can see the original here:

Original

And an alpha corrected image that shows the secret message in the image:

Alpha corrected

Download the original png and open it in notepad, scroll down to see the message quoted above.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,13:43   

I'm no photoshop expert, but I don't see a hidden channel in the image that claims there is one. I do see the text in the unhidden one, but it's not in a separate channel.

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tmtoulouse



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,13:56   

The text is right above the image and right below it, on the top border it says:

"fuck this bullshit"

and on the bottom border it says:

"necon propaganda"

Depending on your screen resolution, colors and brightness settings it is easier or harder to see.

  
tmtoulouse



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2008,13:58   

I think I didn't understand your post, the whole issue of alpha channels, etc. I am not clear on, the text was hidden when it was CPs logo for like 3 months. These are not the original PNG images either but captures from the site.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2008,11:02   

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Lenski has essentially refused my request that he make his underlying data available for public scrutiny, despite his use of public funding. Given the remarkably short time between submission of his PNAS manuscript and its acceptance (only 14 days), I doubt his paper even had meaningful peer review.
It's unscientific for others to repeat as true an unverified claim based on concealed data. I wonder if PNAS violated its own stated policies by publishing Lenski's paper, and I'm going to email its Editor-in-Chief to request an explanation.--Aschlafly 11:19, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


The latest on the Conservapedia Talk page (link above).

Schlafly puts his fingers in his ears and chants "Liar!  Liar!  Liar!" essentially accusing Lenski of fraud and conspiracy.

It's unscientific for others to repeat as true an unverified claim based on concealed data?  That's the definition of Creationism!  Thanks for clearing that up for us, Andy!  You're right, it is unscientific.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,05:58   

Lesnki replies (again) to the persistent Andrew Schlafly.  And it is a doozy. It starts out with
 
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I offer this lengthy reply because I am an educator as well as a scientist. It is my sincere hope that some readers might learn something from this exchange, even if you do not.

and goes worse for Andy after that.  The postscripts are classic!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,06:21   

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But perhaps because you did not bother even to read our paper, or perhaps because you aren’t very bright, you seem not to understand that we have the actual, living bacteria that exhibit the properties reported in our paper, including both the ancestral strain used to start this long-term experiment and its evolved citrate-using descendants.


It's classic stuff all right, I can see this on the front page of Pharyngula et al shortly ;)

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,09:33   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 24 2008,06:21)
It's classic stuff all right, I can see this on the front page of Pharyngula et al shortly ;)

The talk page associated with the Lenski dialog is a riot.  Andy purged a link out of Lenski's reply stating that is supposedly ran afoul of the spam filter.  Some of the contributors wish to know what the link was or, failing that, what the nature of the site was. The sycophants reply that there is no need to say what it was because it just must have been a shock or porn site, otherwise it wouldn't have been censored.  I think if you have two functioning neurons to rub together inside your cranium you can probably make an educated guess what the link was.  

The relevant part of Lenski's reply, as published by Andy, is (bolding mine):
   
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From the posted discussion on your web site, it is obvious that you lack any expertise in the relevant fields. Several of your acolytes have pointed this out to you, and that your motives are unclear or questionable at best, but you and your cronies dismissed their concerns as rants and even expelled some of them from posting on your website. [Ed.: citation omitted due to spam filter]

My guess is that Lenski tried to slip Expelled Exposed into his reply.

EDITTED TO ADD:  Speculation over at Andy's Playpen is that the purged link was to Rational Wiki, which catalogs alot of the drama and politics of  Conservapedia.  This may be a better explanation.

Dang, I may have gotz outsmrted by people at Conservapedia.  Does this mean I have to go back to hanging out wit da kiddies over at Overwhelming Evidence?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,11:03   

Funny that "Richard Paley" makes an appearance in that article. He's the head of Objective Ministries, the excellent parody site which unfortunately doesn't update very often anymore.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,11:41   

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Behe? Are you serious? He's supposed to be a Creation Scientist? The guy believes in the big bang, an earth billions of years old, and evolution. He does not believe in a young Earth, Adam and Eve, or the true word of the Bible. He's an evolutionist who happens to say "oh yeah, God guided evolution." As if there was anything on the Earth not guided by God! Just because he's one of the few scientists who isn't an atheist he's supposed to be one of us? No thanks. I'd rather go with someone who didn't drink the Old Earth Kool-aid. TonyT 11:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT)


Big tent?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,12:26   

Well, A. Schlafly is a wizard of statistics, as you can see for yourself - imagine, how Lenski's paper could benefit from such an input - NOT....

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,12:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2008,09:41)
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Behe? Are you serious? He's supposed to be a Creation Scientist? The guy believes in the big bang, an earth billions of years old, and evolution. He does not believe in a young Earth, Adam and Eve, or the true word of the Bible. He's an evolutionist who happens to say "oh yeah, God guided evolution." As if there was anything on the Earth not guided by God! Just because he's one of the few scientists who isn't an atheist he's supposed to be one of us? No thanks. I'd rather go with someone who didn't drink the Old Earth Kool-aid. TonyT 11:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT)


Big tent?

The phrase "Old Earth Kool-aid" is so beautiful it takes my breath away.

(maybe a good band name?)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,12:45   

Schlafly is proudly promoting the third letter on Conservapedia's front page with a line complaining about tax dollars funding rude people. I suspect he honestly has no sense of shame at all. When someone calls you ignorant you ought to, I don't know, not celebrate?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,14:47   

Quote (DiEb @ June 24 2008,10:26)
Well, A. Schlafly is a wizard of statistics, as you can see for yourself - imagine, how Lenski's paper could benefit from such an input - NOT....

Wow.

It's interesting that participants are asking that he release his data and methods to the public, and that Shlafly refuses to do so.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,15:30   

The sheer stupidity of conservapedia editors is astonishing.  Read the whole talk page for some real self abuse.

Note a few folks seem to have a brain.  Moles no doubt...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,15:41   

Bugler seems to be suggesting this is the banned link:

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia#Banning_Users

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,15:46   

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So if they're mutating and evolving, why don't they kill us? Our bodies obviously have defenses that protect us from the E. coli in our guts, but with all this evolving supposedly going on, you'd think they'd have evolved into something that could overcome those defenses and kill us so they could feast on our corpses. Jinxmchue 15:29, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

   Or you'd think that our bodies have evolved ways to deal with that. Or you'd think that there would be no advantage for e.coli to evolve a trait that would kill off its host environment. Or you'd think that humans would have evolved wings and third arms and eyes in the back of their heads in order to better adapt to their environments. Where exactly is it written in evolutionary science that all organism will eveolve the traits that you happen to think would improve their chances? AliceBG 15:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
   Not to mention that evolution doesn't have a "goal." Yeesh, the ignorance here is astounding.JPohl 15:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

       Shows what you know! The goal of evolution is obviously to "evolve" in whatever manner it takes to destroy all of humanity. Who's ignorant now? Bobdobbs 15:47, 24 June 2008 (EDT)


Heheheheheheheh.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,16:00   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2008,15:41)
Bugler seems to be suggesting this is the banned link:

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia#Banning_Users

Rationalwiki purportedly has the full text of Lenski's response here . It appears the offending link was to the Rationalwiki page for Expelled.

So, even though I thought I was outsmarted by the Conservapedia guys, it turns out I am only half as dumberer as them. Yay, me!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,16:44   

Lenski sent me the link, and it is http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Lenski_affair.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,16:47   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 24 2008,16:44)
Lenski sent me the link, and it is http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Lenski_affair.

Just to clarify, from Wes' link, this is the censored link:

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,17:16   

Have to love the opening paragraph:

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The Lenski affair was a poorly conceived stunt by Andrew Schlafly to denigrate the groundbreaking research of National Academy of Science member Richard Lenski at Michigan State University. The stunt backfired completely and led to one of the best pwns of Schlafly to date.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,17:23   

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The stunt backfired completely and led to one of the best pwns of Schlafly to date.


In looking at the talk pages at Conservapedia, Schlafly manages to pwn himself on an almost daily basis.

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,18:29   

Conservapedia seems to be like an Uncommon Descent populated by total idiots rather than total morons.

They don't even know their own kind.  One of the Conservapedians suggested that Behe could take ownership of some of Lenski's bugs.

Behe is a biochemist, Conservamoron, not a microbiologist.  The only time Behe comes in contact with E Coli is when he's flinging poo, although, in retrospect, he might have more experience than I give him credit for.

How about Casey Luskin?  He's a scientist. Won't he do?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,18:48   

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Well I hope we're not going to stop here. It's not just an issue of will the evolutionist make their data open to the public, but we must validate that data, yes? I'm curious to know which university Mr Schlafly will be working with to receive the biological samples and also I'm curious to know what researcher(s) he will ask to experiment/validate the data. I don't recall an evolutionist ever being this open with their data so this is all so very intriguing. Perhaps the Discovery Institute could help, they have a laboratory in Seattle Washington where they conduct intelligent design experiments and biology research all the time. That would be a logical resource. Miles 18:08, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Not if results are what you're after.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,19:39   

Oh well, it looks like Conservapedia is down.  Closed for renovations, I suppose.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,21:29   

As others have mentioned the link was to our (RationalWiki's) page on expelled, Schlafly's approach to our existence as a website was to claim we do not exist. So that is why the "spam filter" won't let any mention of us through.

Dr. Lenski was kind enough to send me the original e-mail, and as others have posted, I have published it exactly as he sent it, CP dropped the formating and the link.

Conservapedia is definitely an ideological and demographic cousin of Uncommonly Dense. I link to our Whats Going on at Conservapedia further up the thread whose construction was motivated by the work you guys have done with Dembski's site.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,21:56   

Quote (Annyday @ June 24 2008,10:45)
Schlafly is proudly promoting the third letter on Conservapedia's front page with a line complaining about tax dollars funding rude people. I suspect he honestly has no sense of shame at all. When someone calls you ignorant you ought to, I don't know, not celebrate?

You'd think Andrew Schlafly would have developed a better way of dealing with humiliation by now.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,22:02   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 24 2008,21:56)
You'd think Andrew Schlafly would have developed a better way of dealing with humiliation by now.

Schlafly is unable to feel humiliation because he is unable to see error in his way. Schlafly honestly feels that this letter is a complete vindication for him, proves everything he has said from the start and that the only people who can't see that are evil Liberals.

Really, check out his "Liberal X" articles to see the mindset he brings to the floor.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2008,23:06   

Quote (tmtoulouse @ June 24 2008,22:02)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 24 2008,21:56)
You'd think Andrew Schlafly would have developed a better way of dealing with humiliation by now.

Schlafly is unable to feel humiliation because he is unable to see error in his way. Schlafly honestly feels that this letter is a complete vindication for him, proves everything he has said from the start and that the only people who can't see that are evil Liberals.

Really, check out his "Liberal X" articles to see the mindset he brings to the floor.

I noticed that, too. Not only is he incapable of recognizing his own flaws, he appears to view them as strengths. And every time somebody puts forth a criticism he can't rebut, he simply throws out "Liberal" as a response. It's only clever when Stephen Colbert does it.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,00:44   

Quote (Doc Bill @ June 24 2008,16:29)
Conservapedia seems to be like an Uncommon Descent populated by total idiots rather than total morons.

They don't even know their own kind.  One of the Conservapedians suggested that Behe could take ownership of some of Lenski's bugs.

Behe is a biochemist, Conservamoron, not a microbiologist.  The only time Behe comes in contact with E Coli is when he's flinging poo, although, in retrospect, he might have more experience than I give him credit for.

How about Casey Luskin?  He's a scientist. Won't he do?

Biochemists work with E. coli all the time. It shouldn't be a problem for Behe.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,01:00   

Quote (tmtoulouse @ June 24 2008,22:02)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 24 2008,21:56)
You'd think Andrew Schlafly would have developed a better way of dealing with humiliation by now.

Schlafly is unable to feel humiliation because he is unable to see error in his way. Schlafly honestly feels that this letter is a complete vindication for him, proves everything he has said from the start and that the only people who can't see that are evil Liberals.

Really, check out his "Liberal X" articles to see the mindset he brings to the floor.

Following that link and clicking the next:
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Public schools in the United States are atheistic[1][2][3][4] government institutions that employ 3 million workers, train 50 million students, and offer diplomas to the students who complete the 12th grade and meet the requirements of the school and state in which they reside. Spoken prayer and display of the Ten Commandments are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours, and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored.[5][6] In the United Kingdom, however, the term "public school" means the exact opposite of its American usage, and refers to the most expensive and prestigious private schools, such as Eton College, Harrow, and a few others.

Among public school students in the United States, 30% fail to graduate and nearly 70% are unqualified to go onto college. "Only 70% of all students in public high schools graduate, and only 32% of all students leave high school qualified to attend four-year colleges."[7] "Nationally, about 160,000 students miss school daily because they fear being bullied," and in Hawaii students viciously fight each other and post videos of it on Youtube.com. One victim is now "being homeschooled at state expense."[7]

In response to the perception that schools have stopped teaching morality, many state education departments have or are in the process of developing "morality" that avoid good and evil, right and wrong, and instead present under the heading of "character" education.[8] The lack of appreciation for right and wrong can surprise outsiders, and even school principals. When one public school student was charged with felony computer crime for altering the grades of 20 students, the principal said, we "want to teach them what's right and wrong, and it's tough for some kids to catch on to the idea that changing grades is the wrong thing to do." [8]


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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,01:08   

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Following that link and clicking the next:    
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Public schools in the United States are atheistic[1][2][3][4] government institutions that employ 3 million workers, train 50 million students, and offer diplomas to the students who complete the 12th grade and meet the requirements of the school and state in which they reside. Spoken prayer and display of the Ten Commandments are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours, and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored.[5][6] In the United Kingdom, however, the term "public school" means the exact opposite of its American usage, and refers to the most expensive and prestigious private schools, such as Eton College, Harrow, and a few others.

Among public school students in the United States, 30% fail to graduate and nearly 70% are unqualified to go onto college. "Only 70% of all students in public high schools graduate, and only 32% of all students leave high school qualified to attend four-year colleges."[7] "Nationally, about 160,000 students miss school daily because they fear being bullied," and in Hawaii students viciously fight each other and post videos of it on Youtube.com. One victim is now "being homeschooled at state expense."[7]

In response to the perception that schools have stopped teaching morality, many state education departments have or are in the process of developing "morality" that avoid good and evil, right and wrong, and instead present under the heading of "character" education.[8] The lack of appreciation for right and wrong can surprise outsiders, and even school principals. When one public school student was charged with felony computer crime for altering the grades of 20 students, the principal said, we "want to teach them what's right and wrong, and it's tough for some kids to catch on to the idea that changing grades is the wrong thing to do." [8]

That article looks like it was written by one of those not quite ready for college public school students who looked up a whole bunch of "facts" on the internet and pasted them together without any attempt at structure or coherence.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,01:16   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2008,02:08)
That article looks like it was written by one of those not quite ready for college public school students who looked up a whole bunch of "facts" on the internet and pasted them together without any attempt at structure or coherence.

Andy Schlafly likes showing everyone that he's just as biased as he is unintelligent. His stupid frothing against Lenski is some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,02:03   

... at least there is some honesty and consistency there, compared to Ftk and the other Uddites who dance and sway to imply the same but avoid actually saying anything of substance.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,02:04   

Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2008,01:16)
Andy Schlafly likes showing everyone that he's just as biased as he is unintelligent. His stupid frothing against Lenski is some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen.

Even better was his time spent at the talk.origins usenet group:

Hardcore Schlafly idiocy

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,02:22   

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The  Piltdown hoax was possible precisely because the physical data was kept under lock-and-key and away from the eyes of unbiased non-Darwinians, who, if given the chance, would have spotted that the bones were unrelated right away. Even if Prof. Lenski were to provide the public with digital versions of the data, what assurances would we have that the data wasn't doctored? If we assume his Darwinian principles were no check on his willingness to publish a falsified paper, then why would we then assume they would prevent him from falsifying data? On the other hand, it would be impossible for Prof. Lenski to falsify the physical data residing in the actual bacteria, as that would require a massive program of genetic engineering. Only by allowing unbiased conservative scientists access to samples of the bacteria colonies can we assure that we aren't witnessing another Piltdown hoax, as the Darwinian community has a reputation for perpetrating them.

As to the practicality of this, only scrapings of the cultures would be needed for reculturing, not the entire original petri dish as "porkchop" implies above. These can be stored in standard cryogenic ampules that take up very little space. The Discovery Institute surely has cryogenic facilities in their labs and would be willing to host the collection under the auspices of Conservapedia. Dr. Richard Paley 10:50, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

How little space? Will a broom closet suffice? Or maybe a P.O. Box?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,06:39   

Cryogenic ampules?!

I haven't done lab work for a few years.  Is this the new name for a polythene tube that can withstand -80C?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,06:41   

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Cryogenic ampules?!

I haven't done lab work for a few years.  Is this the new name for a polythene tube that can withstand -80C?

I had an ampule under my left armpit once. Very painful.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,08:09   

Quote (Bob O'H @ June 25 2008,06:39)
Cryogenic ampules?!

I haven't done lab work for a few years.  Is this the new name for a polythene tube that can withstand -80C?

No.  Theyre called cryovials.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,08:18   

baah.  i almost pointed out how stupid "The DI surely has a cryogenics lab" then I realized that was a mole.  good one, jesus, good one.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,09:27   

If you don't already have a conservapedia account get one now ;-)

MUCH funner than "moling" at UD...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,09:42   

He can only find 7 people to sign his petition with him:

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Current total of supporters: 7


Like UD, I suspect there are many more in the audience than there are clowns on the stage. In a way its comforting that humanity can't produce too many TARD evangelicals.

I wonder if he'll be petitioning God anytime soon for full details of how creation happened?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,10:03   

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He can only find 7 people to sign his petition with him:

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Current total of supporters: 7


Like UD, I suspect there are many more in the audience than there are clowns on the stage. In a way its comforting that humanity can't produce too many TARD evangelicals.

I wonder if he'll be petitioning God anytime soon for full details of how creation happened?

He had almost 20, it just turns out they were all names of European football stars.........

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,10:10   

I bet Ronnie van Zant would sign his position.

god that is hilarious.  this is what happens when sock puppets run amok.  tmtoulouse how do you deal with Poe?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,10:26   

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I bet Ronnie van Zant would sign his position.

god that is hilarious.  this is what happens when sock puppets run amok.  tmtoulouse how do you deal with Poe?

Mostly through endless debate......


Actually the What is going on at CP usually focuses on the known players. The site administrators and sometimes the gems from Schlafly's homeschool students (he actually holds classes for homeschoolers, when is it school and not homeschool? And don't think too hard about him as a teacher it is depressing).

Then a great deal of time is spent discussing if someone is a sock or a parodist as well, there is currently a debate about the Bugler character.

Finally, a non-insignificant number of individuals that do the really deep cover sockpuppets and parodist have been long time members of our site. There are several behind the scenes ways to alert regulars of socks that someone is running and then attempts are made not to "out" them on RW till they out themselves.

Many people play the game of trying to get admin rights at CP as a hobby. Usually once they get them they out themselves in somewhat humorous ways. That in turn makes it harder for the next one, but that is the game.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:25   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 25 2008,06:41)
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Cryogenic ampules?!

I haven't done lab work for a few years.  Is this the new name for a polythene tube that can withstand -80C?

I had an ampule under my left armpit once. Very painful.

No no no no. That was a pusvial. Ampules are measurements of very low energy electronics. The next green gadgets. Including: Low energy reality TV broadcasts, low energy electric can openers, low energy electric bicycles, low energy electric pencil sharpeners, low energy personal fans and the like.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:27   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ June 25 2008,09:27)
If you don't already have a conservapedia account get one now ;-)

MUCH funner than "moling" at UD...

Someone managed to put 2 and 2 together and my IP is banned. :( I registered as 'rabid god warrior'. I don't know what happened.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:34   

Quote (Wild Bob @ June 25 2008,00:22)
The Discovery Institute surely has cryogenic facilities in their labs

The Discovery Institute has 'labs'?

Black or Golden?

(And stop calling me 'Shirley'.)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,12:48   

Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:02   

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Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again.

RW is hosting the whole exchange:

Here

Our server is running a little slow from the traffic increase but I think we should stay up.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:09   

Quote (ERV @ June 25 2008,12:48)
Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again.

there's a third letter?


YAY!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:26   

To those who might try and make an account at CP, they have been inundated with pranks, vandals and parodist for a long time now. The "administration" of the site has become super paranoid and they have adopted a "block first ask questions later" approach. Anything at all questionable early on will merit a block.

The most likely accounts to survive are those that consist of a first name followed by a letter like MaryA, JohnD, or whatever. Edit a few non-controversial articles to start with, don't edit too much too quick, and avoid talk pages at first.

That should get you into the clear and you can start doing what you want with out risking an immediate ban.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:26   

Quote (ERV @ June 25 2008,12:48)
Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again.

Honestly, I don't think a third letter is necessary.  Schlafly's epic fail has incented the big intellectual guns to join the fray.  And the biggest of them all, Davescot, has managed to eviscerate Lenski only three (3!!!) sentences into the  abstract.
 
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I started reading Lenski’s full paper myself to see what raw data was provided and I got no farther than the first paragraph beyond the abstract when I encountered a bias error that a chance worshipper would never notice. My emphasis:  
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At its core, evolution involves a profound tension between random and deterministic processes. Natural selection works systematically to adapt populations to their prevailing environments. However, selection requires heritable variation generated by random mutation, and even beneficial mutations may be lost by random drift. Moreover, random and deterministic processes become intertwined over time such that future alternatives may be contingent on the prior history of an evolving population.

The bold portion is patently wrong. Selection operates on any heritable variation whether random or not. That the authors would use the language they did (random variation) and the peer reviewers didn’t notice it is testimony to the chance worshipper bias that pervades evolution
research.

.......

I believe the peanut gallery, in their latest fashion in phraseology, would summarize this as:

Lenski FAIL.

But they won’t because they’re living in denial of their own failings.

HAR HAR. ID WINS.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:36   

Quote (tmtoulouse @ June 25 2008,11:26)
To those who might try and make an account at CP, they have been inundated with pranks, vandals and parodist for a long time now. The "administration" of the site has become super paranoid and they have adopted a "block first ask questions later" approach. Anything at all questionable early on will merit a block.

The most likely accounts to survive are those that consist of a first name followed by a letter like MaryA, JohnD, or whatever. Edit a few non-controversial articles to start with, don't edit too much too quick, and avoid talk pages at first.

That should get you into the clear and you can start doing what you want with out risking an immediate ban.

Eeeeexcellent!

Excuse me while I rub my hands together and cackle maniacally.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:39   

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Quote (ERV @ June 25 2008,12:48)
Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again.

Honestly, I don't think a third letter is necessary.  Schlafly's epic fail has incented the big intellectual guns to join the fray.  And the biggest of them all, Davescot, has managed to eviscerate Lenski only three (3!!!) sentences into the  abstract.
   
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I started reading Lenski’s full paper myself to see what raw data was provided and I got no farther than the first paragraph beyond the abstract when I encountered a bias error that a chance worshipper would never notice. My emphasis:    
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At its core, evolution involves a profound tension between random and deterministic processes. Natural selection works systematically to adapt populations to their prevailing environments. However, selection requires heritable variation generated by random mutation, and even beneficial mutations may be lost by random drift. Moreover, random and deterministic processes become intertwined over time such that future alternatives may be contingent on the prior history of an evolving population.

The bold portion is patently wrong. Selection operates on any heritable variation whether random or not. That the authors would use the language they did (random variation) and the peer reviewers didn’t notice it is testimony to the chance worshipper bias that pervades evolution
research.

.......

I believe the peanut gallery, in their latest fashion in phraseology, would summarize this as:

Lenski FAIL.

But they won’t because they’re living in denial of their own failings.

HAR HAR. ID WINS.

Funny how Dave didn't talk about how they were front-loaded to create this mutation by the designer.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:17   

This is great fun.  Many of the conservitives of conservapedia are truly insane.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:35   

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I intended peer review in general, not just at the PNAS, but that's a fair comparison. Like Murray, I would have thought that a fortnight is sufficient, but you do appear to be correct that the Lenski paper was much quicker than normal at the PNAS. So that just leaves the question of broken policies... Philip J. Rayment 12:24, 20 June 2008 (EDT)


These idiots are speculating about the short review time for the Lenski et al paper in PNAS. This was Lienski's inaugural paper following his election to the National Academy. One expects an expedited review and publication.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:05   

They disabled my CP account quickly and I said nothing snarky or overtly poe-ish.  I can login but I can not edit anything, even my own talk page.  I suspect the reason we see so few new comments today is because they have diabled/banned people.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:19   

From glancing around random Conservapedia pages, like Barack Obama's, it quickly became clear that the only way they could maintain that level of stupid bias was by aggressively weeding out users who demonstrate any sense.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:25   

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From glancing around random Conservapedia pages, like Barack Obama's, it quickly became clear that the only way they could maintain that level of stupid bias was by aggressively weeding out users who demonstrate any sense.

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Obama wore an American flag lapel pin after 9/11, but later stopped wearing it without adequate explanation


i thought the commentary that patriotism is in your heart, not on your lapel was quite poignant..

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:35   

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They disabled my CP account quickly and I said nothing snarky or overtly poe-ish.  I can login but I can not edit anything, even my own talk page.  I suspect the reason we see so few new comments today is because they have diabled/banned people.

The speculation on our end is that they have now made "editing" a right that has to be expressly given to a new account.

They had setup an "edit" user group that blocked editing at night to everyone not in a special group because they didnt have the anti-vandalism staff to handle open editing.

It now appears that the "edit" right has been extended to the whole day. Whether on purpose or accident we have yet to determine.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,22:53   

I find it truly delightful that conservatives are exposed as total asshats. Paranoid, ignorant asshats.

Hiphip asshat! Hurray!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,00:39   

Eh?  Is Swansea University really that bad?  I should warn my post-doc who's visiting there next month...

There also isn't an entry for Denyse O'Leary.  An unfortunate oversight, methinks.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:29   

Richard Lenski is not only an evolutionary biologist, but a most excellent blogger.

* First, Lenski demonstrates a strong desire to communicate his knowledge to others.
* Next, he is willing to brave Schlafly's ill-founded objections in deference to open-minded lurkers.
* Lenski then details several areas of Schlafly's ignorance
 - Schlafly hadn't read the paper at issue.
 - Schlafly misunderstood what the paper showed
 - Schlafly doesn't even know what is meant by scientific data.
* In best blogger tradition, Lenski even claims to have a whole population of unicorns in the lab! (But I wonder if they are invisible pink unicorns...)

He then adds postscripts.

* Big numbers mean lots of mutations.
* A wedding and Biblical Creation.
* Galileo's apocryphal Eppur si muove
* And Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Kudos to Lenski!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:11   

All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:25   

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All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again

Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while. Next thing you know Russell will be popping up.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,20:27   

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All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again

Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while. Next thing you know Russell will be popping up.

Or ericmurphy or Lenny.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,21:03   

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Or ericmurphy or Lenny.

Last time I looked, Eric was playing the role of arch-nemesis to afdave.  I had to take a break, though, as the constant feedback loop of Dave's delusions was starting to melt my brain.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,21:30   

I am so glad that tey have not stopped. They did delete much of their public humiliation, but then they lept right back in the cess.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,07:28   

And Larry Farfarout joined in the fun too.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,10:37   

I'm considering committing suicide on the talk page.  Just say something really sarcastic to Tard Andy.  Problem is when they nuke my account they'll likely delete my comments, so what would the point be?

What to do...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,03:07   

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And Larry Farfarout joined in the fun too.

Only to be pwned by a complete douche for violating the 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk. Why am I not surprised?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,03:14   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 26 2008,22:03)
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Or ericmurphy or Lenny.

Last time I looked, Eric was playing the role of arch-nemesis to afdave.  I had to take a break, though, as the constant feedback loop of Dave's delusions was starting to melt my brain.

I miss Eric Murphy. He was good.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,11:13   

They'er still at it:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_talk:Lenski_dialog

Someone should take one of their claims then wah-wah-wah! about data.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,11:44   

jesus christ that schlafly douchebag is a total idiot.  that is some of the dumbest stuff i have ever seen.  sternberger you were right about that.

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jesus christ that schlafly douchebag is a total idiot.  that is some of the dumbest stuff i have ever seen.  sternberger you were right about that.

Easy there, little nipper.

Small sips at first.

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i've been chugging that tard ever since the first letter.  i was really hoping there was a third letter but it appears the blogosphere and Lenski in particular have discovered that Teh Assfly is one of the stupidest human beings that has ever lived.

Show me the data!

Show me the data sir!

Show me the data you fraud!

Show me the data you public fund parasite.

seriously that shit gets old.  tired tard is not as funny, it's like scraping the bottom of the bowl for some used up tar.  does not have the same effervescent fresh green smell that the straight stuff does.  but it looks like the other raving lunatic fundie stupid ass, Larry Fafarman, has found himself a great home (or in his words a venue to publicize his views, roflmao).  Hey fuck stick your views are publicized, we have laughed ourselves stupid over you for years.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,14:47   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 30 2008,14:30)
i've been chugging that tard ever since the first letter.  i was really hoping there was a third letter but it appears the blogosphere and Lenski in particular have discovered that Teh Assfly is one of the stupidest human beings that has ever lived.

Show me the data!

Show me the data sir!

Show me the data you fraud!

Show me the data you public fund parasite.

seriously that shit gets old.  tired tard is not as funny, it's like scraping the bottom of the bowl for some used up tar.  does not have the same effervescent fresh green smell that the straight stuff does.  but it looks like the other raving lunatic fundie stupid ass, Larry Fafarman, has found himself a great home (or in his words a venue to publicize his views, roflmao).  Hey fuck stick your views are publicized, we have laughed ourselves stupid over you for years.

Except they acknowledge they wouldn't know what to do with 'the data' but they want it out there, so some AIG guy can start the distortion process.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:25   

This is better than Dembski has been in the last year or so.

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OH, YEAH!!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,14:18   

So Schlafly now wants to figure out a way to sue Lenski into stopping what he's doing for several months and handing over every scrap of data to a group who couldn't possibly understand it.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....h_n.php

   
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So Schlafly now wants to figure out a way to sue Lenski into stopping what he's doing for several months and handing over every scrap of data to a group who couldn't possibly understand it.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....h_n.php

actually, *they* don't want it. They want someone else to have it, they're just not sure who.

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The e-coli cultures are the data...



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The e-coli cultures are the data...


Perhaps we can get him to do some sort of taste test?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,14:37   

Holy crap. Look at this page:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual

Andy Schlafly is completely obsessed with homosexuality. Maybe he's more like his brother John than we know....

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,14:47   

1-- Schlafly cant 'sue' Lenski.  Lenski doesnt 'own' his data, nor is he in control of who he can send data/samples to.  Michigan State owns that material.  Thus, Schlafly will have to 'sue' Michigan State.

2-- I, nor anyone else in research, is required to 'send our data' to anyone, on demand.  Our institution can send samples to another institution (or industry) via material transfer agreements.  Schlafly is neither a university or a private research industry, thus no one is going to send him anything.

3-- E. Coli require the approval of environmental health and safety.  They would not approve the shipment of experimental bacteria to Schlaflys home refrigerator.

4-- Example: Someone has generated a mouse line we want.  They have published on it, and are required to 'give' the mouse line to us if our uni asks.  That individual is under no obligation to spend time/money/resources on 'giving' us the mice.  If they have to hire someone to rederrive the line from embryos we have to pay for that.  Thus, if Schlafly wants every last bit of data from Lenski, Schlafly must pay for the salary of any necessary help, all the reagents, supplies, space, etc.  I doubt he has that kind of bread.

Conclusion, Schlafly is an idiot.  But we already knew that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,17:38   

Quote (stevestory @ July 04 2008,15:37)
Holy crap. Look at this page:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual

Andy Schlafly is completely obsessed with homosexuality. Maybe he's more like his brother John than we know....

The bigger the homophobe, the deeper the closet, is all.

I have yet to see that disproven.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,20:13   

The problem for Schlafly is that he has pretty much implied that if the data is correct then he is wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,21:40   

A comment by Philip J. Rayment on the talk page caught my attention:
 
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It's mainly Aschlafly that pursued this. Many others, including me, disagreed with that course. That was simply the first of several mistakes you made, and the others relate to you having almost no idea of what creationists believe. Do you support the concept of criticising an idea without knowing much about it? Because that is what you are doing. Creationists accept speciation. They also accept beneficial mutations. The one that they don't accept is mutations adding information, because it is not observed (apart from some questionable claims, such as this one of Lenski's). I won't ask for examples simply because I've been down this road before, of having supposed examples provided, only to have them not stack up when investigated.  [bolding my --OT]

Could someone remind me again how ID differs from creationism?

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A comment by Philip J. Rayment on the talk page caught my attention:
   
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It's mainly Aschlafly that pursued this. Many others, including me, disagreed with that course. That was simply the first of several mistakes you made, and the others relate to you having almost no idea of what creationists believe. Do you support the concept of criticising an idea without knowing much about it? Because that is what you are doing. Creationists accept speciation. They also accept beneficial mutations. The one that they don't accept is mutations adding information, because it is not observed (apart from some questionable claims, such as this one of Lenski's). I won't ask for examples simply because I've been down this road before, of having supposed examples provided, only to have them not stack up when investigated.  [bolding my --OT]

Could someone remind me again how ID differs from creationism?

In ID they don't mention Noah's Ark quite as much.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2008,04:47   

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Quote (olegt @ July 04 2008,19:40)
A comment by Philip J. Rayment on the talk page caught my attention:
     
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It's mainly Aschlafly that pursued this. Many others, including me, disagreed with that course. That was simply the first of several mistakes you made, and the others relate to you having almost no idea of what creationists believe. Do you support the concept of criticising an idea without knowing much about it? Because that is what you are doing. Creationists accept speciation. They also accept beneficial mutations. The one that they don't accept is mutations adding information, because it is not observed (apart from some questionable claims, such as this one of Lenski's). I won't ask for examples simply because I've been down this road before, of having supposed examples provided, only to have them not stack up when investigated.  [bolding my --OT]

Could someone remind me again how ID differs from creationism?

In ID they don't mention Noah's Ark quite as much.

Its all part of Papa Phillip's brilliant strategy.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2008,08:49   

Re: Schlafly suing for access:
Check the dialog pages and the history of the Lenski pages. One bit of data that Schlafly claimed wasn’t supplied was the concentration of glucose used in the experiments. That information was actually presented on the very first page of the paper. See how Aschlafly deleted my entries and references to that bit of allegedly missing data.

If he’s going to claim that Lenski is withholding data, then he’s going to have a hard time demonstrating he’s made a good faith effort to find it first.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2008,10:38   

Schlafly is becoming a new icon of tard. Delightful.

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Schlafly is becoming a new icon of tard. Delightful.

The UD crew will be so jealous...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2008,12:40   

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So Schlafly now wants to figure out a way to sue Lenski into stopping what he's doing for several months and handing over every scrap of data to a group who couldn't possibly understand it.

I've pointed this out elsewhere, but this whole pathetic set of demands and (now) threat of lawsuit is a page out of Steve McIntyre's playbook (Climate Audit).

In particular, McIntyre has made all sets of demands to get access to Lonnie Thompson's "raw" data based on PNAS requirements, government grant requirements, Science journal (or was it Nature) requirements, etc.

In each case he's been told that the data provided by Thompson is either adequate or predates the current guidelines (IIRC in regard to online access, as much of Thompson's work was done before such guidelines were set).

McIntyre has gone so far as to state he'd sue Thompson/Feds/etc over taxpayer-funding-of-research fantasies if it weren't for the fact that he (McIntyre) is Canadian and would have no standing, blah blah blah.

Anyway, rest assured that Schafly's ranting is a 3rd-rate imitation of McIntyre's original, which in itself was remarkably pathetic and has gone nowhere...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2008,14:04   

I got a phone call a little while ago from someone who wished to remain anonymous (going so far as not even telling me who he was) asking for a link to be added to the TalkOrigins Archive creationist site page. He wanted three articles at Conservapedia linked. I said our usual policy was to link to one article at a site like that, and he wanted the "Theory of Evolution" page linked.

My caller also noted that we have a bunch of dead links on our links pages. He's right. I took an hour and worked through the "A"s on the creation links page, commenting out the ones that now have no domain, or have turned into generic links pages for a domain registrar, and tracking down new URLs for 404'd pages where possible. The page is now updated and includes the Conservapedia link.

Like I said, I don't know who my caller was, but he was willing to concede that there is some dreck produced on both sides of the evolution/creation issue. Specifically, he was willing to provisionally cast out Kent Hovind as not doing a good job of representing the antievolution cause.

Anyway, the TalkOrigins Archive could use a volunteer to handle updating our links pages. There's going to be a lot of work up-front to bring it up-to-date (pruning dead links as a last resort, but finding current pages or linking to the right spot in Archive.org for things that don't resolve correctly now), but once that's done, it shouldn't take much time to add or change a few entries each week. PM or email me if you would like the job.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,20:02   

You can explain to Schlafly in a dozen different ways how Zachary Blount isolated Cit- clones before running the 'replay experiments' but it just doesn't sink in. Now Andy is going to send a letter to PNAS detailing the 'flaws' in Lenski's paper.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS

Sweet!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,20:51   

Oh thank-you thou mighty stream of creatotard- For I had believed not that the flow might continue, But, more! The flow doth increase and the tard bounty grows thick and deep.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,21:07   

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You can explain to Schlafly in a dozen different ways how Zachary Blount isolated Cit- clones before running the 'replay experiments' but it just doesn't sink in. Now Andy is going to send a letter to PNAS detailing the 'flaws' in Lenski's paper.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS

Sweet!

OMG that's hysterical.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,21:32   

Quote (Lou FCD @ July 22 2008,21:07)
Quote (Argon @ July 22 2008,21:02)
You can explain to Schlafly in a dozen different ways how Zachary Blount isolated Cit- clones before running the 'replay experiments' but it just doesn't sink in. Now Andy is going to send a letter to PNAS detailing the 'flaws' in Lenski's paper.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS

Sweet!

OMG that's hysterical.

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Author:

   Andrew Schlafly, B.S.E., J.D.

Author Affiliations:

   www.conservapedia.com


I'm sure PNAS will really give a crap.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2008,21:37   

Quote (Lou FCD @ July 22 2008,22:07)
 
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You can explain to Schlafly in a dozen different ways how Zachary Blount isolated Cit- clones before running the 'replay experiments' but it just doesn't sink in. Now Andy is going to send a letter to PNAS detailing the 'flaws' in Lenski's paper.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS

Sweet!

OMG that's hysterical.

Come to think of it, I've serious reservations regarding the design of the Large Hadron Collider.

I've got some demands for the design team. And I have some suggestions to improve the science, too.

I demand they respond here.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,01:33   

Quote (Argon @ July 23 2008,02:02)
You can explain to Schlafly in a dozen different ways how Zachary Blount isolated Cit- clones before running the 'replay experiments' but it just doesn't sink in. Now Andy is going to send a letter to PNAS detailing the 'flaws' in Lenski's paper.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS

Sweet!

It's all posturing to be able to claim persecution and fraud when the big bad evilutionists ignore his claims.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:48   

Ya ya, you mean THIS kind of posturing:


  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,07:57   

Too bad H.L. Mencken isn't around to call Andy a tinpot pope.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,08:46   

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Too bad H.L. Mencken isn't around to call Andy a tinpot pope.

Can we do it for him?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 23 2008,09:50   

It's one thing to pull accidently shoot yourself in the foot once but quite another to ignore all advice, pull back the hammer and keep firing repeatedly.

Godspeed!

Andrew's other affiliations are:
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (General Counsel)
Eagle Forum University (Teacher)

But he's real touchy about associations with the latter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2008,12:07   

I'm eagerly anticipating the submission of the anti-Lenski letter to PNAS. Wasn't this supposed to be out the door by the end of the week? The talk page surprisingly still shows people trying to talk a little sense into Schlafly. Good luck.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2008,12:25   

Hahahaha "Raggs" lets loose on Schlafly on that talk page:

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Stich has given you brilliant advice, and you throw it away. He has told you that your letter will not get published, and it will have nothing to do with it's content. And when it doesn't get published you will claim it as a victory. If you take his advice and continue to take it, you will make it so no one can simply claim your letter wasn't accepted because it didn't match the criteria set out for letters to PNAS. Now if you have a well written and correctly laid out letter, and then it isn't published, at least you have a leg to stand on.

As a lawyer I would have expected you to understand that certain documents need to be written in set styles, and obey certain rules. Have you published anything (this isn't meant to be derogatory, it's a geniune request), I am positive you must have done so. When you did your citations would have had to be correctly arranged, and many other rules obeyed. Law suits are written up in a set style, and no one would dream of simply scribbling a note and saying check out this website, and expect to be taken seriously. So why do you expect a scientific journal to accept whatever you send them? Follow the procedures, then you have a right to complain if nothing happens. Raggs 10:12, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2008,13:54   

I am fairly confident that PNAS will publish asshat's letter.  How better expose his ignorance and arrogance?

They apparently have banned anyone with half a dozen working neurons, so they get what they have strived to achive- total stupidhood.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 26 2008,14:27   

If you read that talk page closely, you'll see they intend to contact members of congress, either a cc: of the PNAS letter or in a separate letter.

Why?

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There are two separate, though very related issues. The rigor of the experiment (this is what PNAS deals with) and the fact that such research is given funding (Congress and the watchdog groups have to do with this part). Lets address the first problem before we look at the second.


They have no chance of success, of course, but it's extremely telling that they want to work to ban funding for research of this type ...

  
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The Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis is a carefully crafted scientific alternative to Darwinism developed by renowned biologist John A Davison. It is an extension of Intelligent Design and states that "the information for organic evolution has somehow been predetermined in the evolving genome in a way comparable to the way in which the necessary information to produce a complete organism is contained within a single cell." [1] The theory has been published in the peer review journal Rivista di Biologia [2]

Linky

   
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The Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis is a carefully crafted scientific alternative to Darwinism developed by renowned biologist John A Davison. It is an extension of Intelligent Design and states that "the information for organic evolution has somehow been predetermined in the evolving genome in a way comparable to the way in which the necessary information to produce a complete organism is contained within a single cell." [1] The theory has been published in the peer review journal Rivista di Biologia [2]

Linky

I'll be fucked until I am blue- they are charging down the same intellectual deadends as ARN, UD, and TelicThought.

This is great! Just great.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,07:55   

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www.conservapedia.com, teacher of precollege students


So that's conservapedia's readership!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,12:15   

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Linky

I'll be fucked until I am blue- they are charging down the same intellectual deadends as ARN, UD, and TelicThought.

This is great! Just great.

You say that like you thought something different would happen.

So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,12:46   

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So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?

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So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?

Why? You looking for a date?  HA HA THIS IS YOU




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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,13:57   

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So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?


Assuming for the sake of argument this is a serious question, John still has his latest blog here. Note that he has progressed from the single-endless-thread format to the new, improved several-parallel-endless-threads format. He has also managed to goad a couple of responses from Springer over at ISCID, and accrued a few more bannings from several other websites. Not bad for an eighty-year-old.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,14:11   

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So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?


Assuming for the sake of argument this is a serious question, John still has his latest blog here. Note that he has progressed from the single-endless-thread format to the new, improved several-parallel-endless-threads format. He has also managed to goad a couple of responses from Springer over at ISCID, and accrued a few more bannings from several other websites. Not bad for an eighty-year-old.

Well, as serious as anything having to do with Javison can be...

I see that most of his comments are from himself, and that VMartin is still his special friend.

Does he still call you Falan Ox?

Hey, never heard about this before (I know, it was probably discussed here):

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John A Davison said, on February 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Speaking of selective banishment, my papers have been restored on the side bar at Uncommon Descent, but I am still unable to comment freely there or defend them in any way. I have no password.

I recently received an email from David Springer inviting me to participate at Uncommon Descent but with the following qualifications. David Springer has created a “contibutor membership” in my name. I was intrigued by this and soon found out that the “devil is in the details.”

Springer explains - “As a contributor you can write articles under your own name and manage the comments. Any articles you write are saved as draft copies. An administrator has to approve the draft for publishing. If you want to write articles email me to get your drafts published. As long as it’s about science and isn’t offensive to evangelicals it’ll get published. A notable exception is the global warming topic. Dembski and I both believe it’s based on consensus science and I think you will agree science is not a democracy where the truth is determined by a majority…”

Without going further into the details, Springer indicated that if I did not comply he would remove my papers from the side bar.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,14:43   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 28 2008,09:11)
 
Quote (Alan Fox @ July 28 2008,11:57)
   
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So what's Wildman Javison up to these days? I don't hear anywhere near as much from the nutty old fart as I used to. I assume he still loves it so, and that the invitation to kiss his ass to a purple blister still stands?


Assuming for the sake of argument this is a serious question, John still has his latest blog here. Note that he has progressed from the single-endless-thread format to the new, improved several-parallel-endless-threads format. He has also managed to goad a couple of responses from Springer over at ISCID, and accrued a few more bannings from several other websites. Not bad for an eighty-year-old.

Well, as serious as anything having to do with Javison can be...

I see that most of his comments are from himself, and that VMartin is still his special friend.

Does he still call you Falan Ox?

Hey, never heard about this before (I know, it was probably discussed here):

   
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John A Davison said, on February 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm

Speaking of selective banishment, my papers have been restored on the side bar at Uncommon Descent, but I am still unable to comment freely there or defend them in any way. I have no password.

I recently received an email from David Springer inviting me to participate at Uncommon Descent but with the following qualifications. David Springer has created a “contibutor membership” in my name. I was intrigued by this and soon found out that the “devil is in the details.”

Springer explains - “As a contributor you can write articles under your own name and manage the comments. Any articles you write are saved as draft copies. An administrator has to approve the draft for publishing. If you want to write articles email me to get your drafts published. As long as it’s about science and isn’t offensive to evangelicals it’ll get published. A notable exception is the global warming topic. Dembski and I both believe it’s based on consensus science and I think you will agree science is not a democracy where the truth is determined by a majority…”

Without going further into the details, Springer indicated that if I did not comply he would remove my papers from the side bar.

 
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Does he still call you Falan Ox?

Not to my face. Actually if we avoid the PEH, we do have some common ground. We both think climate change is a real phenomenon and David Springer is not a very nice person.

Regarding the dealings with Springer, I think Dave would like John to rejoin the ID fold, if only he would  behave with a bit more decorum. John, to his credit, will have nothing to do with Springer. Unfortunately John has been seduced, so to speak, by that Canadian siren and extraordinary wordsmith, Denyse O'Leary. See Overwhelming Evidence.

  
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http://www.iscid.org/ubb....70;p=92

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http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;st=120

Please note that I have made the "big time" at After the Bar Closes, complete with the f word. It will be fun watching this unfold if Wesley Elsberry doesn't put a stop to any further commentary that is. I am betting that is exactly what he will do. Like Myers and Dawkins he is terrified of me and my sources. We are not allowed to exist.

It doesn't get any better than this.

I love it so!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,15:25   

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http://www.iscid.org/ubb....70;p=92

 
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Please note that I have made the "big time" at After the Bar Closes, complete with the f word. It will be fun watching this unfold if Wesley Elsberry doesn't put a stop to any further commentary that is. I am betting that is exactly what he will do. Like Myers and Dawkins he is terrified of me and my sources. We are not allowed to exist.

It doesn't get any better than this.

I love it so!

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Tis true.  I took pictures that last time Davison was in town.  You can see for yourself Wes and Steve's reaction.



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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,15:30   

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http://www.iscid.org/ubb....70;p=92

   
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http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;st=120

Please note that I have made the "big time" at After the Bar Closes, complete with the f word. It will be fun watching this unfold if Wesley Elsberry doesn't put a stop to any further commentary that is. I am betting that is exactly what he will do. Like Myers and Dawkins he is terrified of me and my sources. We are not allowed to exist.

It doesn't get any better than this.

I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison  

Well, now we know that DAJ still loves it so, but the jury is apparently still out on the whole purple blister business.

I still haven't decided what my feelings are about them apples.

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So that's conservapedia's readership! (pre-college students)

Conservapedia was created primarily to provide an "honest" reference resource for those who homeschool their kids, because Wikipedia is filled with falsehoods like, um, science.  And the original set of editors were kids being taught by Schafly.

This fits in with the fundy scheme of wrapping kids in a cocoon from K-12 (homeschooling with "appropriate" online and text resources) through undergrad and graduate school (Liberty U, etc).  If you brainwash them for more or less the first three decades of life (assuming one completes a PhD at Liberty), I guess they figure they're good for jesus for life.

  
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So that's conservapedia's readership! (pre-college students)

Conservapedia was created primarily to provide an "honest" reference resource for those who homeschool their kids, because Wikipedia is filled with falsehoods like, um, science.  And the original set of editors were kids being taught by Schafly.

This fits in with the fundy scheme of wrapping kids in a cocoon from K-12 (homeschooling with "appropriate" online and text resources) through undergrad and graduate school (Liberty U, etc).  If you brainwash them for more or less the first three decades of life (assuming one completes a PhD at Liberty), I guess they figure they're good for jesus for life.

Exactly so.  The strategy is to get them young, insulate them from the real world, and control their every thought process, until it is utterly impossible for them to think any way that hasn't been programmed into them.

"Front loading" of the intellect, sort of.  By the time they are set loose into the wild, they have a strong tendency to adhere to their programming, or so it's supposed to go.

It's interesting that even that doesn't always work.  (Although all too often, it does.)

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So that's conservapedia's readership! (pre-college students)

Conservapedia was created primarily to provide an "honest" reference resource for those who homeschool their kids, because Wikipedia is filled with falsehoods like, um, science.  And the original set of editors were kids being taught by Schafly.

This fits in with the fundy scheme of wrapping kids in a cocoon from K-12 (homeschooling with "appropriate" online and text resources) through undergrad and graduate school (Liberty U, etc).  If you brainwash them for more or less the first three decades of life (assuming one completes a PhD at Liberty), I guess they figure they're good for jesus for life.

Exactly so.  The strategy is to get them young, insulate them from the real world, and control their every thought process, until it is utterly impossible for them to think any way that hasn't been programmed into them.

"Front loading" of the intellect, sort of.  By the time they are set loose into the wild, they have a strong tendency to adhere to their programming, or so it's supposed to go.

It's interesting that even that doesn't always work.  (Although all too often, it does.)

I see a strong analogy to living in a Communist country. People I know who grew up in FSU and China knew the government was lying to them 100% of the time and were deeply cynical (but at the same time open to a lot of woo from other sources). A friend from CZ said she spent her 16th year in terrible anxiety that the US was about to launch a nuclear attack on her country because the government news said so every night. (This during the Reagan era tiff about placing missiles in Germany.)

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,14:30   

Well, between the likes of Curtis LeMay (in the early cold war days-- Mr. "Let's nuke 'em before they nuke us"-- not to mention MacArthur wanting to use tactical nukes on the Chinese during the Korean kerfuffle) and on up to Ronnie Reagan's cowboy schtick, it wasn't like the US was sending nothing but warm and fuzzies in the direction of the Iron Curtain.  

It was a two-way street of course-- whilst I was being indoctrinated in the good ole Southern Baptist tradition as a youngster,  I remember many sermons (and the occasional sensationalist Christian propaganda audio-visual aid) detailing how Russia and China were clearly the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel, and that they weren't just opposed to us on political/ideological grounds, but they were serving the debbil-- and thus, expected to wipe us out at any time.

It was all very plausible given the time and circumstances, but once I started to think about it, and realize the horrendous cost to both sides, I was able to figure out that it wasn't likely to happen (unless someone really screwed up, and accidentally launched missiles, like that time when NORAD accidentally left some training vid on the screens and for a few minutes everyone thought it was the real deal).

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,15:00   

speaking of Gog and Magog, you can still hear that b.s. today.

I thought about putting this in the top tard quotes thread but it was just crazy more than tard-y.  hope you dig it!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2008,11:45   

Shit, we need a mole at PNAS ... I hope no one chokes to death on their coffee when they read the contents and break out into uncontrollable hysterics.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2008,14:15   

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Shit, we need a mole at PNAS ... I hope no one chokes to death on their coffee when they read the contents and break out into uncontrollable hysterics.

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Anyway i think the discussions here have come to a dead point, so i think it would be good if you make up your mind to send the letter." Agreed 100%, if the letter isn't "near enough" right now then it will never be.--Toffeeman 15:20, 3 August 2008 (EDT)


 
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Agreed. Pull the trigger and see whose foot gets shot.--Argon 10:23, 4 August 2008 (EDT)


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2008,08:46   

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Anyway i think the discussions here have come to a dead point, so i think it would be good if you make up your mind to send the letter." Agreed 100%, if the letter isn't "near enough" right now then it will never be.--Toffeeman 15:20, 3 August 2008 (EDT)


   
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Agreed. Pull the trigger and see whose foot gets shot.--Argon 10:23, 4 August 2008 (EDT)


I predict a self inflicted wound.

That could be fatal for Andy, his feet rarely leave his mouth.

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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (allegedly born in Honolulu, August 4, 1961)



allegedly!!!!

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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (allegedly born in Honolulu, August 4, 1961)



allegedly!!!!

Very clever of them to hint that Hussein Obama was actually born in Mecca...(and figure out that the Barack part of his name was just a cover).

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2008,13:29   

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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (allegedly born in Honolulu, August 4, 1961)



allegedly!!!!

LOL. Reminds me of the scene in South Park where Johnnie Cochran says "Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury..."

The difference is South Park is intentionally ridiculous, and Conservapedia unintentionally ridiculous.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,22:07   

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The following flaws in this PNAS paper negate its claim that E. Coli bacteria evolved through a beneficial mutation:


This is the first line of the "letter" to the PNAS.  Negates the claim.

Yeah, right.

Apparently, the letter has been sent.  Fun will ensue!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,22:38   

this discussion could use more linkiness.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,23:42   

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this discussion could use more linkiness.

Aye, more links. I like my tard fresh from the source.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 08 2008,23:45   

Would you publish it, if you were PNAS?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2008,00:55   

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Would you publish it, if you were PNAS?

Maybe, but I'd wait until April 1st.

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Would you publish it, if you were PNAS?

No. I'd smile, pin the letter up on the wall of my office and encourage people to laugh at it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2008,13:25   

Ah, Conservapedia on Barack Obama.  There are the usual inanities I'd expect to see tossed around, but there was also one that blew my brain.  For support that Sen. Obama would be the first Affirmative Action President, we are given the following, rather surreal, paragraph:
 
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He has no clear personal achievement that cannot be explained as the likely result of affirmative action. Some examples border on the absurd: Obama has no background in physics, yet it is claimed that "Obama analyzed and integrated Einstein's theory of relativity, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, as well as the concept of curved space as an alternative to gravity, for a Law Review article that Tribe, for whom Obama worked as a research assistant, wrote titled, 'The Curvature of Constitutional Space'." [58] Obama's "research" for Constitutional Law Professor Tribe on this article also raises issues about preferences, as Obama had not yet even completed any law school courses[59] on the Constitution.[60]

Not that we can give them credit for creativity: the claim is inexplicably found in the middle of an otherwise normal news article; why it's there is a mystery for another day.  I just found it interesting that Conservapedia cited this claim, noting its absurdity, as if they think someone actually believes it.  Moreover, it is the only evidence they provide in support of a rather insulting claim.  I may be giving too much credit, but I can't imagine someone capable of putting words to a page accepting such a scenario without question; surely this is a prank.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2008,13:32   

I'd like to see a count of how many articles they have. I glanced around the site but didn't see anything.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2008,13:37   

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Sen. Obama would be the first Affirmative Action President

Nonsense. He wouldn't be the first. George Bush Jr. was hired as part of a governmental program to give retards jobs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2008,13:45   

Maybe Shlafly wants to write an article about how Reagan was a Hollywood Celebrity President?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 11 2008,11:42   

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Sen. Obama would be the first Affirmative Action President

Nonsense. He wouldn't be the first. George Bush Jr. was hired as part of a governmental program to give retards jobs.

Prior to that, he was admitted to the Texas Air National Guard's elite Party Unit under the Affirmative Action for Rich Sons of Legislators (AARSOL) program.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,01:53   

I really want to know how big Conservapedia is. I didn't expect it to be big enough to have a page on Thomas Kinkade, but here it is. You can tell it wasn't written by me because the phrase "hideous crap" doesn't even appear once.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,06:47   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 14 2008,02:53)
I really want to know how big Conservapedia is. I didn't expect it to be big enough to have a page on Thomas Kinkade, but here it is. You can tell it wasn't written by me because the phrase "hideous crap" doesn't even appear once.

Strange. Conservapedia omitted the following, found on Wikipedia:
 
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The Los Angeles Times report that some of Kinkade's former colleagues, employees, and even collectors of his work say that he has a long history of cursing and heckling other artists and performers. The Times further reports that he openly groped a woman's breasts at a South Bend, Indiana sales event, and mentioned his proclivity for ritual territory marking through urination.[18] Kinkade denied some of the Times's allegations, but accepted and apologized for others.[19]

In 2006 John Dandois, Media Arts Group executive, recounted a story that on one occasion ("about six years ago") Kinkade became drunk at a Siegfried and Roy magic show in Las Vegas and began shouting "Codpiece! Codpiece!" at the performers. Eventually he was calmed by his mother.[18] Dandois also said of Kinkade, "Thom would be fine, he would be drinking, and then all of a sudden, you couldn't tell where the boundary was, and then he became very incoherent, and he would start cussing and doing a lot of weird stuff."[18]

That's interesting because I was looking at his sentimental dreck and started shouting "Codpiece! Codpiece!" myself.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,09:17   

Number of pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,09:20   

Quote (steve_h @ Aug. 14 2008,09:17)
Number of pages: http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics

Compare that to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics

Harsh!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,13:30   

from Steve h's link above:

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Most viewed pages

   * Atheism (3,893,746)
   * Main Page (3,286,804)
   * Homosexuality (3,155,947)
   * Wikipedia (525,556)
   * Theory of evolution (337,072)
   * Examples of Bias in Wikipedia (329,137)
   * Ex-homosexuals (321,012)
   * Hillary Rodham Clinton (269,481)
   * Aesthetics (260,630)
   * Unicorn (252,518)


LOL!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,13:55   

Atheism seems to serve as porn for the yeccies. Where's the LOL cat?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,14:40   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 14 2008,11:55)
Atheism seems to serve as porn for the yeccies. Where's the LOL cat?

Actually, based on Steve's listing, I'd say homosexuality (or, for a small minority, Hilary Rodham Clinton) is serving as porn for the yeccies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,15:06   

So where's the gay, atheist kittuh pics?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,15:12   

EDIT: Conservapedia has been hijacked by spammers it would seem.

This was the link that I posted:  www.conservapedia.com/Unicorn
Oh my, unicorns!

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The Unicorn is likely purely a mythical beast, commonly depicted as resembling a white horse with a single horn grown out of its forehead


I don't think any further commentary is necessary. Emphasis mine.

Edit: Added link.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,15:17   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 14 2008,15:06)
So where's the gay, atheist kittuh pics?



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,15:56   

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* Aesthetics (260,630)


Is this part of their obsession with teh gays or can they not spell atheists?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:18   

I can't get anywhere on Conservapedia now. I get redirected to some Antivir 64 annoyware page.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:28   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 14 2008,16:18)
I can't get anywhere on Conservapedia now. I get redirected to some Antivir 64 annoyware page.

Yeah, my security software popped up a message about antivir64 when I clicked on that link.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:30   

The link in dnmlthr's post about unicorns.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:38   

Same thing here, using Safari. Pretty annoying.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,16:42   

Indeed, it seems like they've been hijacked by spammers.

According to the WHOIS entry, the domain hasn't expired anyway, and Schlafly's name is still in there as well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,18:31   

The site is back up.  

I found a cool article discussing Professor values.  The table of contents has 4 items:
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1 Crimes by Professors
2 Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior
3 References
4 Sources


My, we're a bunch of criminals and perverts!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,18:36   

Quote (olegt @ Aug. 14 2008,19:31)
The site is back up.  

I found a cool article discussing Professor values.  The table of contents has 4 items:
 
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1 Crimes by Professors
2 Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior
3 References
4 Sources


My, we're a bunch of criminals and perverts!

Yep, expecting people to come to class, take quizzes on time and pass the course.  How eeeeeeeeeevil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2008,18:43   

I'm always wondering about the percentage of biology teachers convicted of diddling boys, compared to the percentage of clergymen.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,09:01   

The entry on Reality contains a hidden gem:
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[Reality] is very well known to have a liberal bias.

Great job, Pepek2008!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,12:45   

Heh, that got snuck in on June 2nd ... hope they don't peek over here and find out about it.  Well done, indeed, Pepek2008!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,13:10   

Quote (olegt @ Aug. 14 2008,16:31)
The site is back up.  

I found a cool article discussing Professor values.  The table of contents has 4 items:
 
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1 Crimes by Professors
2 Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior
3 References
4 Sources


My, we're a bunch of criminals and perverts!

Hey! Check out two of their examples of "Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior":

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Richard Lenski of Michigan State University was rude and demeaning when replying to a member of the public who asked about his research.
When challenged to provide data, professors who support evolution evade the question [10]


Awwww.... dose pwofessohs wuh so MEAN to Andy!!!!!!!!  :(

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,14:06   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 15 2008,13:10)
     
Quote (olegt @ Aug. 14 2008,16:31)
The site is back up.  

I found a cool article discussing Professor values.  The table of contents has 4 items...


Awwww.... dose pwofessohs wuh so MEAN to Andy!!!!!!!!  :(

Another of their examples is this one      
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A Kansas university professor, Fort Hays State University debate coach William Shanahan, "is under fire after a video showing him mooning a room full of students and faculty during a heated debate found its way onto YouTube." He "is shown on the video in a profane, in-your-face argument with his counterpart from the University of Pittsburgh ...."Kansas Professor in Trouble for Mooning Incident

Shanahan (like a lot of professors) doesn't fit into their blanket pigeonhole of evil atheistic materialistic islamocommunofascistic professors. He probably would be right at home in Aschlafly's house. He used to write a regular column for the Hays Daily News; here is his contribution from March 2006 (my emphasis).      
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“Science is one ideology among many and should be separated from the state just as religion is now separated from the state.”  Paul Feyerabend, one of the greatest figures in the history and philosophy of science, penned these words in his 1978 classic, Science in a Free Society.

The practitioners of science have become as sanctimonious as the proselytizers of religion.  The most recent clashes over intelligent design in science classrooms reflect a long-held belief that there is some essential difference between science and religion.

Rather, both science and religion are reflections of often deeply felt beliefs that require adherents to take gigantic leaps of faith.  This invalidates neither, nor should it allow privileging one over the other.

Scientific faith is no more secure, no more “correct” than religious faith.  In fact, if belief and faith characterize religion in this country, then science is a religion, albeit one of the best organized and most influential of our contemporary religions.

Science works because its works are scientific.  Science determines, in advance, the terms of its engagement with the world and then extols the results of that engagement, as if something marvelous has taken place.  All religions operate in the exact same way.

The scientific clergy loudly proclaim their faith to be the result of scrupulous inquiry and falsifiable methodology that produces facts.  Even a casual perusal of other religions’ canonical texts and personal testimonies demonstrate the same faith in their proof, the same proof in their faith.

Friedrich Nietzsche, simply the greatest thinker the West has ever known, described these methods somewhat differently.  “If someone hides an object behind a bush, then seeks and finds it there, that seeking and finding is not very laudable . . .”

At the center of the scientific universe still stands the scientist, who invents the machines that measure and prove.  Human scientists observe not worlds, but their own inventions.  Those observations themselves result from senses and brains and bodies far beyond human invention (yet).

Other religions’ followers also employ their bodies to observe, conclude, and prove their religion’s truths.  They experience the world and confirm or derive truths about the world from their experiences, using the same senses, the same brains, and perhaps different tools.

Mormon students with whom I worked in Utah encouraged me to read the last part of the Book of Mormon and to receive a sign from God.  Each had done so and all subsequently received proof of their religious faith from God.

Their method could be replicated and was falsifiable, two criteria often proffered in science to test its methods.  The students did not want me to believe in their truths on faith, like the scientific clergy.  These wonderful students insisted that I test their faith (and I tried).

The history of scientific ideas is a history of revolutions.  Each succeeding generation of revolutionary believers praises their answers as the right answers, even if their answer is relativism.  Their well-meaning, hard-working predecessors were mistaken.  This revolution has finally arrived at some truth.

Somehow still, many high scientific priests and priestesses decry traditional religious faith in favor of their own forms of proof.  In response, Feyerabend’s incisive invective, “the prevalence of science is a threat to democracy.”  Amen!

“A free society,” he argues, “is a society in which all traditions have equal rights and access to the centers of power.”  Not academics, intellectuals, or experts, nor clergy, scientists, and rationalists deserve to decide the standards according to which society’s truths are determined.

Scientific fact, nonetheless, is the benchmark of truth for American democracy.  The scales of justice afford more than a metaphorical glimpse into the workings of our judiciary.  Lives hanging in the balance, ideally tipped by science, are usually upended in accordance with only one truth.  Justice blindfolded herself so she would not have to witness the results.

Ostensibly, Congress also kneels before the scientific altar of truth and fact.  Science is given such unbridled access to national policymakers, even Abramoff would blush.

Tellingly, Christianity today vies for ascendancy to truth for all America and our imperial executive redefines each as it deems fit.

A couple words might anticipate obvious, important rejoinders.  This column, of course, reverses itself in many ways.  For example, traditional religions regularly and similarly deny different scientific religions’ truths. The call for equal access to truth and power is itself biased for freedom truth, and democracy.

That being said, this column also collapses or succeeds according to its own truth bias.  My belief in argument, Feyerabend’s faith in freedom, and Nietzsche’s experience in nihilism are expressions of hard-fought truths, but personal expressions no less.

Intelligent design indeed might represent an urgent threat to our democracy’s separation of church and state.  Science itself poses an even greater threat to democratic freedom.  You do the math.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:15   

I know I am going to sound out of touch, but I didn't know Conservapedia existed. I spent some time browsing, and when I recover from my deep depression I'm gonna move to another country... :(

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:23   

Quote (lkeithlu @ Aug. 15 2008,21:15)
I know I am going to sound out of touch, but I didn't know Conservapedia existed. I spent some time browsing, and when I recover from my deep depression I'm gonna move to another country... :(

Don't worry Ikeithlu, when I discovered conservapedia I felt the same way, and I'm not even American.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 15 2008,15:50   

Quote (dhogaza @ Aug. 15 2008,12:45)
Heh, that got snuck in on June 2nd ... hope they don't peek over here and find out about it.  Well done, indeed, Pepek2008!

Damn that is funny!!!

I guess conservapedians[sic] don't read much about reality I guess.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2008,17:31   

I see that Schlafly finally got a reply to his PNAS letter:

http://www.conservapedia.com/PNAS_Response_to_Letter

Well handled by the eds.

Watch the posturing on the talk page.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2008,18:20   

Their reply deserves to be reproduced here:  
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From what I take to be the underlying issue from the numbered points, Mr. Schlafly's main concern has to do with the fact that one experiment failed to yield a statistically significant result, and this happened to be the experiment with the largest sample size. Every experiment has limited power to detect a difference of any given magnitude, and so in a series of experiments some may yield non-significant results even when the null hypothesis is false. The non-significant experiment may even be the one with the largest sample size. There is nothing exceptional in this--it is a matter of chance. Nevertheless, from a statistical point of view, it is proper to combine the results of independent experiments, as Blount et al. did correctly in their original paper. If the overall result is significant, as it is in this case, then the whole series of tests is regarded as significant. Mr. Schlafly seems to suggest that experiments differing in sample size cannot be combined in an overall analysis, and if this is what he is suggesting, he is wrong.

I think Letters published in PNAS should raise points that in themselves, or in conjunction with the authors' response, should be of wide interest to the readership of PNAS or should illuminate some obscure or subtle point. The issues raised by Mr. Schlafly are neither obscure nor subtle, but are part of everyday statistical analysis at a level too elementary to need rehearsal in the pages of PNAS.

Mr. Schlafly's final comment about release of data is uncalled for. My understanding is that the authors have made the relevant materials available on their web site. This seems to me to meet the requirement that "data collected with public funds belong in the public domain." If Mr. Schlafly believes that the disclosure is incomplete, that is an issue that needs to be argued with the original funding agency, not with the readers of PNAS.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2008,18:45   

Best comment on the talk page:

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2008,02:27   

What's happened to my beloved Conservapedia?

When I wrote that line, it read "There is no end of censorship on Conservapedia."

Someone's altered my work!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2008,09:23   

From the front page of Conservapedia.  
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Barack Obama lets the truth slip out that he is a Muslim: "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"[36][37]
Taqiyya allows a Muslim "to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam." [38]

These people are actually, genuinely, authentically, evil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2008,17:42   

Quote (PTET @ Sep. 16 2008,09:23)
From the front page of Conservapedia.    
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Barack Obama lets the truth slip out that he is a Muslim: "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"[36][37]
Taqiyya allows a Muslim "to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam." [38]

These people are actually, genuinely, authentically, evil.

I think its more likely they are just idiots.

Maybe they are evil idiots, Ill grant that...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2008,03:27   

Quote (Jake @ Sep. 16 2008,23:42)
Quote (PTET @ Sep. 16 2008,09:23)
From the front page of Conservapedia.    
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Barack Obama lets the truth slip out that he is a Muslim: "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"[36][37]
Taqiyya allows a Muslim "to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam." [38]

These people are actually, genuinely, authentically, evil.

I think its more likely they are just idiots.

Maybe they are evil idiots, Ill grant that...

This reminds me of a Bill Hicks bit where he is discussing pro-lifers with his friends. Half his friends think pro-lifers annoying idiots, the other half think they are evil fucks. Bill Hicks acts as peacemaker by saying:

"Brothers, sisters, can't we all just come together and think of them as evil annoying idiot fucks?"

I think that what is needed here. ;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2008,18:59   

Ha! More interesting than the talk page are the comments Schlafly deleted. I got banned by questioning Schlafly whether thought reproducing the experiment in another lab would be a worthwhile exercise to challenge the paper's conclusions. He thought reminding him about the role of reproducibility in the scientific method was an "unsubstantive" comment. Now he's claiming that PNAS never publishes criticism of papers dealing with evolution.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2008,19:46   

Quote (PTET @ Sep. 16 2008,07:23)
From the front page of Conservapedia.      
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Barack Obama lets the truth slip out that he is a Muslim: "John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith"[36][37]
Taqiyya allows a Muslim "to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam." [38]

Even after all these years, I still have the capacity to be amazed at the alternate mental universe that wingnuts have built for themselves to live in.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2008,22:02   

Although Conservapedia is sport for us, there is a serious message to be considered.

Imagine if Schlafly actually ran a school district.  Close examples are Kansas, Dover and North Carolina.

Imagine opinion replacing fact.  Check out Conservapedia and imagine it replacing public school curricula.  Imagine how these homeschoolers under Schlafly are being "educated."

What happens to posters sympathetic to Conservapedia who oppose Schlafly?  Simple, they are censored or banned.

Conservapedia is an example of what public schools would be like if the Schlafly's of the world had their way.

Nice, huh?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2008,22:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Sep. 20 2008,20:02)
Although Conservapedia is sport for us, there is a serious message to be considered.
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Conservapedia is an example of what public schools would be like if the Schlafly's of the world had their way.

Nice, huh?

I imagine what might happen if he were alowed to play with matches.

"Burn the witch! Burn her!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2008,22:28   

Here's another sample of fine conservative writing from (ahem) American Thinker.  In a piece headlined The Drumbeat one William Staneski opines (emphasis mine):
   
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The drumbeat. It's always there. Day and night. Rain or shine. Winter or Summer. Sunday or Monday. It comes at you from every direction. It comes over the TV, the radio, at work, at school, in music, in the newspapers, from the politicians, in conversation with others, even in church. It wears you down. It robs you of the will to resist its message. Even short-lived victories, which stop it briefly, leave you with the knowledge that it will return; each minor victory bound to be lost to the redoubled efforts of this patient and persistent force. You can't escape it. It never stops. It never gives up. It never ends. It rains upon you from every possible angle, from every possible source.

It's the drumbeat of the left. It is political, philosophical, theological, and social. It pervades every activity. It is post-structural, post-modern, post-everything in the parlance of the day. It is tolerant, diverse, non-judgmental, non-discriminatory, egalitarian, politically correct, multicultural, globalist, and collectivist. It insists that there are no rights and wrongs, no moral absolutes. It turns everything upside down in its looking glass world. It denies the correctness of all that produced what our culture revered before the deconstruction of the world in accordance with the tenets of cultural Marxism.

It denies God, human exceptionalism, and the soul. We are reduced to Darwinian animals floundering in an amoral sea of meaninglessness. It is a product of the nihilistic, existentialist philosophical movement, which went hand in hand with modern art, atonal music, scientific materialism and modern physics, and the generally discordant nature of the twentieth century.


And here is the reaction from the conservative forum Lucianne.com (founded by Lucianne Goldberg of the Monica Lewinsky fame), 99% dittos.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2008,07:13   

Atonal music a perversion? Can Bauhaus be far behind?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2008,12:05   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 21 2008,05:13)
Atonal music a perversion? Can Bauhaus be far behind?

I can't wait until they drag themselves past the Second Vienna School and into the 1950s.  They're going to just love John Cage and Ornette Coleman.  And apparently there was some kid from Tupelo, Mississippi...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2008,13:58   

Quote (olegt @ Sep. 20 2008,23:28)
Here's another sample of fine conservative writing from (ahem) American Thinker.  In a piece headlined The Drumbeat one William Staneski opines (emphasis mine):
   
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The drumbeat. It's always there. Day and night. Rain or shine. Winter or Summer. Sunday or Monday. It comes at you from every direction. It comes over the TV, the radio, at work, at school, in music, in the newspapers, from the politicians, in conversation with others, even in church. It wears you down. It robs you of the will to resist its message. Even short-lived victories, which stop it briefly, leave you with the knowledge that it will return; each minor victory bound to be lost to the redoubled efforts of this patient and persistent force. You can't escape it. It never stops. It never gives up. It never ends. It rains upon you from every possible angle, from every possible source.

It's the drumbeat of the left. It is political, philosophical, theological, and social. It pervades every activity. It is post-structural, post-modern, post-everything in the parlance of the day. It is tolerant, diverse, non-judgmental, non-discriminatory, egalitarian, politically correct, multicultural, globalist, and collectivist. It insists that there are no rights and wrongs, no moral absolutes. It turns everything upside down in its looking glass world. It denies the correctness of all that produced what our culture revered before the deconstruction of the world in accordance with the tenets of cultural Marxism.

It denies God, human exceptionalism, and the soul. We are reduced to Darwinian animals floundering in an amoral sea of meaninglessness. It is a product of the nihilistic, existentialist philosophical movement, which went hand in hand with modern art, atonal music, scientific materialism and modern physics, and the generally discordant nature of the twentieth century.


And here is the reaction from the conservative forum Lucianne.com (founded by Lucianne Goldberg of the Monica Lewinsky fame), 99% dittos.

The objection to modern physics is out there. I knew a guy in Raleigh who thought quantum mechanics was communist nonsense. He was a Randroid.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2008,14:11   

Mitch?

Gary Birdsong?

Pee Wee?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,11:38   

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He was a Randroid.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2008,21:08   

Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 07 2008,22:41   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2008,11:58)
The objection to modern physics is out there. I knew a guy in Raleigh who thought quantum mechanics was communist nonsense. He was a Randroid.

Why do the words Jüdische Physik come to mind ?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2008,10:39   

Quote (bort @ Oct. 07 2008,22:08)
Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

As am I, but in the case of Conservapedia, it's an improvement, not vandalism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2008,00:36   

Oh my god. Revisions to the Barack Obama article! I don't know how they did it, but somehow they managed to make it even stupider than it was before.

Two of my favorites so far:
   
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If elected, Obama may become the first Muslim President of the United States.

I think they're seriously trying to use the "may" in that sentence for plausible deniability on the Muslim accusation. When presented with evidence that he's clearly not a Muslim, they can say, "well, we said that he 'may' be a Muslim; not that he 'is' a Muslim." Incredible, even for CP.

Even better, though, is this piece of evidence for why he is "likely" a Muslim:
   
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uses the Muslim Pakistani pronunciation for "Pakistan" rather than the common American one

The talk page is full of commenters trying to explain to Schlafly that there is no such thing as a Muslim pronounciation. Earlier today, it read "Muslim pronounciation," not "Muslim Pakistani pronounciation." So I guess adding the "Pakistani" was Schlafly's compromise. That makes so much more sense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2008,03:04   

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Obama and Islam

Obama is likely to be Muslim because:

   * Obama's background and education are Muslim
   * Obama's middle name remains Muslim, which most Christians would not retain[8]
   * Obama recently referred to his "Muslim faith"[9]
   * Obama uses the Muslim Pakistani pronunciation for "Pakistan" rather than the common American one[10]
   * Obama, in his autobiography "Dreams from My Father" (1995), descibes Muslim Malcolm X as his favorite black leader
   * Obama's claims of conversion to Christianity arose after he became politically ambitious, lacking a date of conversion or baptism.[11]


The odds of Obama being truthful in his claim that he converted to Christianity are less than 100 to 1 against it, as fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity.[12]

Obama claimed to have visited 57 states while campaigning for president of the United States, which of course has only 50 states.[13] He could never explain where the false number of 57 came from, but it has been observed that there are 57 Islamic states and Obama was educated at an Islamic grade school while he lived in an Islamic country.[14]

Obama downplays his Islamic background by claiming that his Kenyan Muslim father was a "confirmed atheist" before Obama was born, but in fact less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, agnostics or non-religious.[15] There is apparently no evidence of any Christian activities or local church participation by Obama while he was in Massachusetts from 1988 to 1991. Finally, Obama abruptly left his church in Chicago in 2008 when it became politically controversial, without first finding another church to join.

I think my brain just fell out.....

And I think this
 
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The odds of Obama being truthful in his claim that he converted to Christianity are less than 100 to 1 against it, as fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity
is worthy of Dr Dembski himself as it's the sort of specious reasoning he is wont to use.

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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2008,06:32   

[quote=oldmanintheskydidntdoit,Oct. 09 2008,03:04]
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Obama and Islam
 
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The odds of Obama being truthful in his claim that he converted to Christianity are less than 100 to 1 against it, as fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity
is worthy of Dr Dembski himself as it's the sort of specious reasoning he is wont to use.

I loved this line from the "Talk" page of the Obama article...

 
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We Should add "allegedly" to everything just to be fair


These morons are apparently the future elite of the Christian Right...
College for the Home-Schooled Is Shaping Leaders for the Right

No amount of ridicule is enough to humiliate these idiots.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2008,12:58   

[quote=oldmanintheskydidntdoit,Oct. 09 2008,03:04]
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And I think this
   
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The odds of Obama being truthful in his claim that he converted to Christianity are less than 100 to 1 against it, as fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity
is worthy of Dr Dembski himself as it's the sort of specious reasoning he is wont to use.

I love this comment from the talk page:
 
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I think someone should add the following line to your page: "The odds against Aschlafly's claim to be named 'Andrew Schlafly' being truthful are less than 1 billion to one, as fewer than 6 people in the world are named Andrew Schlafly."


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2008,13:13   

[quote=PTET,Oct. 09 2008,06:32]
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 09 2008,03:04)
 
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Obama and Islam
   
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The odds of Obama being truthful in his claim that he converted to Christianity are less than 100 to 1 against it, as fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity
is worthy of Dr Dembski himself as it's the sort of specious reasoning he is wont to use.

I loved this line from the "Talk" page of the Obama article...

   
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We Should add "allegedly" to everything just to be fair


These morons are apparently the future elite of the Christian Right...
College for the Home-Schooled Is Shaping Leaders for the Right

No amount of ridicule is enough to humiliate these idiots.

That should be alleged college.  ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2008,18:12   

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Barack Hussein Obama, II (born, allegedly, in Honolulu,

I think it's shocking that the republicans currently in power, haven't ordered the various intelligence agencies to check out this Muslim foreigner who is making a mockery of the electoral system by standing as sole presidential opposition candidate when he can not legally win.

Why haven't they stopped this travesty? It's a pointless exercise costing exorbitant amounts of time and money. If he wins, the whole thing will have to be declared null and void.

Should he be allowed to take up the post, it is good to know that at least one Patriotic source of Trustworthy information will continue to berate their inarticulate, elitist, secretive, over-liberal fraud of a President for the duration of his term. Unless there is some sort of million to one accident on the server.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2008,23:30   

Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 09 2008,10:58)
I love this comment from the talk page:
 
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I think someone should add the following line to your page: "The odds against Aschlafly's claim to be named 'Andrew Schlafly' being truthful are less than 1 billion to one, as fewer than 6 people in the world are named Andrew Schlafly."

That is some serious funny. Hee, hee, hee!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,16:06   

Man, Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Evolution page is chock full of TARD.

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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.


That's just brilliant. Humans find it beautiful, but there's no reason why evolution would select for things that humans find beautiful, therefore it didn't evolve. Genius!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,16:14   

Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,16:42   

Conservapedia is quite possibly the most concentrated, densest collection of STUPIDITY in the entire known Universe.  And, I'd be willing to place money on multi-verses, too.

Tard would be a step up for Conservapedia.

It's like a black hole of stupidity.  Imagine all the stupid in the universe concentrated into a singularity the size of Ann Coulter's heart.  No intelligent thought could escape!  

If you took all the stuff in Conservapedia that made sense, you'd have three piles consisting of a's, the's and an's.  They'd all be red from embarrassment and in Comic Sans because that's the dress code.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,17:58   

Quote (huwp @ Jan. 12 2009,17:14)
Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

What he said.

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The human prostate surrounds the urethra and in doing so provides many benefits. Evolutionists consider the structure to be poor design, which should mean that natural selection would have eliminated that design.


Total tard.  Natural selection doesn't weed out crap that kills you off AFTER successfully reproducing.

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,18:36   

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Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

Yeah, sorry about that. I now realize that posting from CP without warning is dangerous. I mean, what if some kids (other than the homeskoolers in Schlafly's study group, who are deliberately and repeatedly exposed to it) got ahold of it and hurt themselves or others?
 
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Tard would be a step up for Conservapedia.

LOL, that's true. It's almost like the CPers are trying to copy the cool kids like Behe and Dr. Dr. D.
   
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Total tard. Natural selection doesn't weed out crap that kills you off AFTER successfully reproducing.

The prostate example is particularly stupid. (It's so hard to choose!)

Good design? Evolution must be false. Bad design? Evolution must be false. Schlafly wins again!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,18:50   

From Conservapedia:
 
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Symbiosis - There are many examples where creatures rely on each other to survive which could not arise through evolution. Grass cannot survive without a certain fungus that helps it fix nitrogen from the atmosphere and the fungus can't survive without the grass. They must have appeared on earth at the same time.

I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium. At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,19:12   

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Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

I'm a little behind checking these pages. I'm still laughing at this after 10 minutes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,21:32   

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I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium

Yeah, I do seem to recall reading that some soil bacteria do that. Although I don't recall if they're necessarily symbiotic to something else or not. (Of course, loosely speaking, most of a biosystem is likely to be somewhat dependent on several other parts for several things, but not always on the directly interacting basis that we'd call symbiosis.)

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At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

It's not easy being green.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,22:03   

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I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium

Yeah, I do seem to recall reading that some soil bacteria do that. Although I don't recall if they're necessarily symbiotic to something else or not. (Of course, loosely speaking, most of a biosystem is likely to be somewhat dependent on several other parts for several things, but not always on the directly interacting basis that we'd call symbiosis.)

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At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

It's not easy being green.

Henry

I had a bio/geo/chem class, back in the day, from which I remember that there are some trees which have nodules of nitrogen-fixing bacteria in them, but that's about all I remember. And a few random terms. C3 vs C4 plants. Stromatolites. The Pee Dee River basin.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:00   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 12 2009,14:06)
Man, Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Evolution page is chock full of TARD.

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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.


That's just brilliant. Humans find it beautiful, but there's no reason why evolution would select for things that humans find beautiful, therefore it didn't evolve. Genius!

THAT WAS AN CONCENTRATED AMOUNT OF STUPID!

SHOUTING? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I CAN'T HEAR YOU? SPEAK LOUDER. OH NO! MY EARS IMPLODED!!!!1111!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:06   

There are nitrogen-fixing bacteria that live in nodules (they look like tumours) on the roots of legumes such as clovers, alfalfa, peas, beans and others. They get something like 1/3 of the sugars produced by the plant's photosynthesis but in return the plant gets a supply of nitrogen, which it can't extract from the air itself. Similar bacteria are also found with alders and a few other plants. The nitrogen fixation does not take place in the presence of free oxygen but the plant produces leghemoglobin, similar to hemoglobin, that supplies oxygen to the bacteria and gives the inside of the nodule a pinkish colour.

Many plants have fungi growing into the root and spreading out into the soil in a different symbiotic relationship. Like the bacteria, the fungi (known as vesicular-arbuscular mycorrhiza or VAMs) get their energy from the plant. In return, the fungi penetrate the soil more thoroughly than the plant roots and are significant in absorbing nutrients, in particular phosphorus.

I think Conservapedia got the two confused, exaggerated the importance of the fungi to the plant and gave a link to a third, completely different, symbiotic relationship.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:46   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 12 2009,16:06)
Man, Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Evolution page is chock full of TARD.

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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.


That's just brilliant. Humans find it beautiful, but there's no reason why evolution would select for things that humans find beautiful, therefore it didn't evolve. Genius!

If they can't understand the concept that humans are not the be-all and end-all, I seriously doubt they would understand pigmentation in leaves, or the fact that those bright colors of reef fish are excellent camouflage in their natural (unlit by human lights) habitats.  It's the same mindset that says that the moon is position just right so that we can have eclipses.

I'd go to the actual site, but my tard-resistant goggles are broken - I'm not sure I could take such concentrations.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,02:55   

The page on Richard Dawkins is especially good (they don't seem to like him very much), first header:    
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Creationist Video Interview of Richard Dawkins Being Stumped*

...although it's not as funny as it was until early November last year, when they had a photo of Adolf Hitler (not RD) as the main image at the top of the page. The talk page comments regarding this are especially hilarious.

*ETA - I assume everyone here knows what this refers to - ask if necessary.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,04:13   

Holy Hell!  What a bunch of obsequious, cowering mice men!  Some of them recognize that putting a picture of Hitler up on a page about someone else is a bad idea, but they still defer to the authority of the others and merely suggest that multiple copies of the same Hitler picture looks a bit silly, and perhaps it would be better off further down the page.

Happily some of them eventually were feeling feisty enough to post something like this:
   
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I think Conservative's a force for good. Say what you want about the man, he's got style. --Wikinterpreter

   Yes, a style that involves a lot of Hitler pictures. Corry 17:08, 6 November 2008 (EST)


And it gets better.  The talk returns to the subject of the video, which some protested because they knew the interview had been arranged under false pretenses, and we get this:
 
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But all the fuss conceals an even bigger bit of dishonesty. Dawkins and his ilk continually brand intelligent design as "Creationism", on the grounds that ID developed out of Creation Science. They refuse to respect the careful attention ID proponents have taken to remove God completely from the design argument. They pretend not to see it. That is what is so infuriating about these deceivers.

They censor the facts, because they have no counterargument. Science should be a marketplace of ideas..

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,16:00   

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Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

I'm a little behind checking these pages. I'm still laughing at this after 10 minutes.

The "real", presumably unvandalized, Conservapedia page is almost as good:
 
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Other particles that are believed to exist in stars, but are not found naturally on the earth, are photons and neutrinos.

Nope, no photons here.  I'd move along, but I can't bloody see.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,21:59   

Neutrinos don't hang around long enough to be regarded as being "on" a planet. I forget how many of those things fly right through each of us each second, though (usually without any effect).

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,10:35   

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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.

Many cases of foul, putrid ugliness, such as parasitic worms

http://www.stanford.edu/group....leg.jpg

and gangrenous faces

http://bp1.blogger.com/_GpIqc5....g

lack any plausible theological explanation

(edited to replace shocking, grotesque image with link to