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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2006,18:48   

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The headline was positively gleeful. On the website of the left-wing group DefCon this week, we read: “Science Wins the Day in Kansas.”

In fact, just the opposite happened. Science lost in Kansas to zealots who want to keep kids in the dark about the scientific controversy over evolution.

In last week’s school board primary election in Kansas, two conservatives who support teaching the evidence both for and against evolution lost to candidates who oppose such teaching. These losses mean Kansas will now have an anti-science majority: members who want to slam the door on free academic inquiry.

One can hardly blame the citizens of Kansas for not knowing what they were voting for. The press attacked as “anti-science” those who support a more comprehensive teaching of evolution. They were aided and abetted by an outfit called Kansas Citizens for Science, which told blatant lies about the current science standards. For example, it claimed the standards mandated instruction about intelligent design—even though they do not. It accused conservative school board candidates of being “intellectually challenged” and “religiously motivated.” In reality, conservative board members back science standards written by people who hold doctoral degrees in the life sciences.

Unfortunately, the smear tactics worked. And the question I have is, who paid for this massive campaign? That’s something we ought to find out.

But for now it’s censorship. Students will not be allowed to learn, for example, about Dr. Michael Behe’s theory of irreducible complexity. They will not be told that the teachings of origins is controversial because really it is not science, but about the philosophy of naturalism. There is no verifiable science about how life began—something students will not be told.


Read it here.

   
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,08:50   

why do you keep posting this crap?

It's not worth reading.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,08:54   

Is Uncommonly Dense worth reading?

   
Flint



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,10:51   

The comments to the Coulson article are the fascinating part, and perhaps even a perverse source of optimism. Almost universally, they "know" that evolution is wrong and didn't happen. Almost universally, they haven't any clue whatsoever what evolution actually is.

Most of the commenters aren't singing from the AiG prayer book (a few are), and seem entirely sincere. Problem is, they have never been exposed to evolution in their lives. They're not sure if it's a competing religion, a tool of the devil, a failed theory, or what.

Underlying most of these critiques is an equally total misunderstanding of what science is and how it works. There seems to be a common subtext here that science consists of two parts: guesses (called theories, and worthless), and laws (stuff science has proved). Evolution is placed into the first category. Whatever it might be.

Now, if only we could get science teachers to cover this material in science classes. But even in states where proper standards are in place, teachers and (perhaps even moreso) administrators simply want to do their jobs and go home, and not spend all hours fighting mobs of parents waving torches and bibles. When ignorance is the price of tranquility, public organizations like school systems pay it gladly.

  
ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,12:15   

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In last week’s school board primary election in Kansas, two conservatives who support teaching the evidence both for and against evolution lost to candidates who oppose such teaching.

"Evidence against evolution"? What evidence would that be? Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm pretty sure there's no evidence out there that contradicts evolutionary theory in any significant way.

Perhaps Chuck would like to point out some evidence against evolution? I mean, evidence that hasn't already been eviscerated by real scientists?

God, I'm still having a hard time accepting that I live in the 21st century, and these creationist clowns still haven't given up.

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C.J.O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,12:51   

Any fool knows that Huckle's embryo drawings are A SHAM!!!

And, and Pillsbury man! Now, with Pepper mouth!

And... Cambri-cumbrou-mutter <mumble>... Something about phyllo dough... maybe?

And, that's about it.

Pathetic, ain't it?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2006,15:28   

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Is Uncommonly Dense worth reading?


no, hence I don't.  i only read the comics page you guys make out of it on a regular basis.

Otherwise, I haven't seen anything worth reading on UD since Dembksi first created it.

How often can you see the same drivel posted over and over again and still get entertainment value out of it?

Even the muppet show got boring after several years.

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Paul Flocken



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2006,02:43   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 07 2006,20:28)
Even the muppet show got boring after several years.

Sacrilege :angry:

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Paul Flocken



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2006,03:37   

It's funny, at the end of the referenced article Mr. Chuck Colson absolutely insists that:  
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The war over evolution teaching is not about pitting religion against science, as the Darwinist lobby claims;
ID is not about religion.

Yet in the article by Mrs. Bonnie Alba, that Jason Spaceman also referenced, she concludes that:  
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Though the universe appears silent, God speaks: "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard." — Psalms 19:1-3.

When are they ever going to synchronize their stories?

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