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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,15:48   

Must really be cranking out the results!  Go to

http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/szostakweb/publications.html

Oops, my bad.  it is

http://www.biologicinstitute.org/

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,17:10   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 04 2008,15:48)
Must really be cranking out the results!  Go to

http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/szostakweb/publications.html

Oops, my bad.  it is

http://www.biologicinstitute.org/

How long has it been like that?  Hilarious.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,17:25   

The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,17:32   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,17:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

Indeed. "Coming soon" suggests they will actually have something to add in the near future, when everyone knows they don't.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,17:58   

Quote (Chayanov @ Feb. 04 2008,17:32)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,17:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

Indeed. "Coming soon" suggests they will actually have something to add in the near future, when everyone knows they don't.

I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but  from looking at their graphic, I think they have Herpes....

Nobody has been getting too close to them and swapping bodily fluids have they?  Sal?  Sal?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,18:17   

Quote (Chayanov @ Feb. 04 2008,17:32)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,17:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

Indeed. "Coming soon" suggests they will actually have something to add in the near future, when everyone knows they don't.

Maybe this is an example of them "seeing into the future" that Behe spoke of while on the stand.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,18:34   

I can't believe that none of you noticed the cheesy-poofs on the banner!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2008,22:33   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 04 2008,18:34)
I can't believe that none of you noticed the cheesy-poofs on the banner!

A couple of them are even reproducing.  It's like a DaveTard wet dream.

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argystokes



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,11:37   

I drove by the address for the BI yesterday evening. I couldn't find the place, but it was late and I didn't really want to be prowling around. Hopefully this Saturday I'll be able to check it out during the day, and maybe come back with pictures.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,11:59   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,18:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

if they get some results they could publish in the ID journal, which went defunct in November 2005.

   
Bing



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,12:50   

C'mon now, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for that webpage.

As all of us in the Evil Atheist Conspiracy® know, HTML is short for HyperText Materialist Language.  And when the language was created the <GODDIDIT> tag was deprecated.

Without the ability to embed <GODDIDIT> after the <HTML> tag in a webpage it forces them to deny the very existence of G*d.  And because the Evil Atheist Conspiracy® controls the intarwebz through the W3C (another of the far reaching tentacles of the EAC®) then Godly Wingnut Pseudoscientists cannot create pages for the web.

Or they haven't accomplished shite and can't be bothered, just like their journal.

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,15:35   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 05 2008,10:59)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,18:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

if they get some results they could publish in the ID journal, which went defunct in November 2005.

Steve is just itchin’ for something to happen with that journal – you know, if we put our brains together we could lead these people to cough up some swell swill. The ID challenge was fun to watch (although beyond me), but to throw out a designed bone for them to carry without knowing its *ahem* true origin would really be a laugh and a half. And the more widely publicized the better. I think the “cancer research” angle is the way to go.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2008,16:18   

Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 05 2008,12:37)
I drove by the address for the BI yesterday evening. I couldn't find the place, ...

Really?  Those places are usually pretty easy to find.  Maybe the name change confused you.  Just look for the big brown sign that says "UPS store".

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,11:57   

Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:14   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,11:57)
Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

I may be interpreting this wrong, but it looks to me as if they have put the Biologic Institute lab coats and goggles to good use.  Their clothes stay dry, and the car-wash soap stays out of their eyes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:49   

Sorry for the cross post, I put this in the uncommonly dense thread when it should have been put here.

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Biologic Institute
Mailing Address:
16310 NE 80th Street
REDMOND WA 98052 Street Address:
16310 Ne 80th Street
REDMOND WA 98052
Registration #24118  


Status Active
Also Known As Name(s) Biologic

Phone (425)296-4400
Fax (425)296-4401
Email info@biologiinstitute.org
Web Site www.biologicinstitute.org


Purpose Categories Educational Institutions & Related Activities
Science


Federal EIN 84-1670187
Federal Tax Status Exempt 501C3


The following financial information has been provided to the Office of the Secretary of State by the above-named organization. Figures are for the organization's fiscal year ending Sep 30, 2006.


Beginning Assets $ According to the financial information shown at left, this organization devoted 87% of its total expenses to program services during the year reported.

Revenue $261,698
Program Services $217,823
Total Expenses $250,464
Ending Assets $16,950
Some Charitable Organizations are not required to submit financial information. If the financial report displayed contains zeros or outdated information, it is possible that the organization is "exempt" from registration or is newly registered. Please contact the Charities Program for more specific information.


Commercial Fundraisers or Co-Venturers Utilized (past & present)
None reported.  


I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,12:54   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,13:49)
I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

Out of morbid curiosity, what did it say?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,13:02   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,12:49)
Sorry for the cross post, I put this in the uncommonly dense thread when it should have been put here.

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Biologic Institute
Mailing Address:
16310 NE 80th Street
REDMOND WA 98052 Street Address:
16310 Ne 80th Street
REDMOND WA 98052
Registration #24118  


Status Active
Also Known As Name(s) Biologic

Phone (425)296-4400
Fax (425)296-4401
Email info@biologiinstitute.org
Web Site www.biologicinstitute.org


Purpose Categories Educational Institutions & Related Activities
Science


Federal EIN 84-1670187
Federal Tax Status Exempt 501C3


The following financial information has been provided to the Office of the Secretary of State by the above-named organization. Figures are for the organization's fiscal year ending Sep 30, 2006.


Beginning Assets $ According to the financial information shown at left, this organization devoted 87% of its total expenses to program services during the year reported.

Revenue $261,698
Program Services $217,823
Total Expenses $250,464
Ending Assets $16,950
Some Charitable Organizations are not required to submit financial information. If the financial report displayed contains zeros or outdated information, it is possible that the organization is "exempt" from registration or is newly registered. Please contact the Charities Program for more specific information.


Commercial Fundraisers or Co-Venturers Utilized (past & present)
None reported.  


I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

You know full well they don't answer the phone to dirty church burning ebola boys >: (

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,13:22   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,10:57)
Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

It's near Leary Way? Huh.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,13:27   

Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Feb. 06 2008,13:02)
I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

You know full well they don't answer the phone to dirty church burning ebola boys >: ([/quote]

Hello!

And thank you for calling the Biologic Institute, where "It doesn't have to be science, to make you money".

If you have a Tard Delivery, please press #1.

If you have any extra Logic to sell, please press #2

If you are from the Discovery Institute, please press #3.

If you are a Church Elder, please press #4.

If you are from the IRS please press #5.

If you are William Dembski, please hang up and try again later.  Look Bill, we told you that we do NOT have any more Nixplanatory Filtors.  Yes, we're sorry that yours doesn't work too.

If you are the landlord, we promise to get you your rent, just as soon as our experiments are completed.

If you are a Church Burning Boy or Girl, please hang up on yourself.

Thank you for calling the Biologic Institute, where " It doesn't have to be science, to make you money".

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,13:35   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 06 2008,12:54)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,13:49)
I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

Out of morbid curiosity, what did it say?

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You've reached the Bio yadda yadda...If you know your party's extension...yadd yadda...if not wait for someone to come on the line....<wait>...ring ring....Hi this is Ann, I'm not at my desk right now but if you'll leave your name and number....


I'll try again later...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,14:13   

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 06 2008,11:22)
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,10:57)
Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

It's near Leary Way? Huh.

No, it's in Redmond.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,15:41   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,12:13)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 06 2008,11:22)
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,10:57)
Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

It's near Leary Way? Huh.

No, it's in Redmond.

Well, near Leary Way in Redmond. It's right in the Redmond Downtown area.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,15:55   

Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 06 2008,13:41)
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,12:13)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 06 2008,11:22)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 06 2008,10:57)
Here it is.  A veritable hive of activity, judging from the parking lot.

It's near Leary Way? Huh.

No, it's in Redmond.

Well, near Leary Way in Redmond. It's right in the Redmond Downtown area.

My bad.  I didn't know Redmond had a Leary Way.  I was thinking Ballard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,23:19   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 05 2008,16:35)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 05 2008,10:59)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 04 2008,18:25)
The domain was registered in February, 2005.

So, it's been like that, or worse (nothing) for three years.

On second thought, nothing might be better, at least more accurate, than what they have now.

if they get some results they could publish in the ID journal, which went defunct in November 2005.

Steve is just itchin’ for something to happen with that journal

I just find it hilarious that these losers spend millions of dollars, claim to have the public support of hundreds of scientists, have their own journal where the 'Darwinists' can't censor them, despite all this, still can't publish any actual research, and their followers are too dumb to figure out what that means.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,03:08   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,13:35)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 06 2008,12:54)
 
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,13:49)
I just called them and got a recording.  Too bad!

Out of morbid curiosity, what did it say?

 
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You've reached the Bio yadda yadda...If you know your party's extension...yadd yadda...if not wait for someone to come on the line....<wait>...ring ring....Hi this is Ann, I'm not at my desk right now but if you'll leave your name and number....


I'll try again later...

Hey, is this "Ann" Ann Gauger, one of the speakers at a recent ID conference?
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/02/id-intelligent.html
Odd how the default is to ring one of the "scientists" if nobody else is around.
What, no receptionist? I guess that's sensible really, I doubt the phone hardly ever rings!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,06:03   

Past history might indicate why no one there wants to answer the phone.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2008,20:21   

I went over to the Biologic Institute today to do a bit of scouting. I had generally assumed it would be office-only, conceivably only a mailbox, but a possibility of containing a small lab. Anyway, it's part of a 3 story office building, and occupies part of the bottom floor. There appeared to be one door in, with a sign that said Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture: Biologic Institute. I didn't know that the Biologic Institute was officially part of the DI.

Unfortunately, all the blinds were closed on the outside windows. This was only the case for the BI, the rest of the office building had blinds open. One could speculate that they close the blinds to keep people like me from verifying that there is no lab space, but there are plenty of other reasons to do so. So the contents of the BI remain a mystery to me.

Conclusion: There is certainly enough space in the office building for a lab. No one was working there on the weekend, so they probably don't have a lot of employees.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2008,20:32   

Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 09 2008,21:21)
I went over to the Biologic Institute today to do a bit of scouting. I had generally assumed it would be office-only, conceivably only a mailbox, but a possibility of containing a small lab. Anyway, it's part of a 3 story office building, and occupies part of the bottom floor. There appeared to be one door in, with a sign that said Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture: Biologic Institute. I didn't know that the Biologic Institute was officially part of the DI.

Unfortunately, all the blinds were closed on the outside windows. This was only the case for the BI, the rest of the office building had blinds open. One could speculate that they close the blinds to keep people like me from verifying that there is no lab space, but there are plenty of other reasons to do so. So the contents of the BI remain a mystery to me.

Conclusion: There is certainly enough space in the office building for a lab. No one was working there on the weekend, so they probably don't have a lot of employees.

Odd.  You'd think all the experiments would be under 24/7 surveillance so they could be there to see the Intelligent Finger poking around.

Does God show up on surveillance video?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2008,21:01   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 09 2008,20:32)
Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 09 2008,21:21)
I went over to the Biologic Institute today to do a bit of scouting. I had generally assumed it would be office-only, conceivably only a mailbox, but a possibility of containing a small lab. Anyway, it's part of a 3 story office building, and occupies part of the bottom floor. There appeared to be one door in, with a sign that said Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture: Biologic Institute. I didn't know that the Biologic Institute was officially part of the DI.

Unfortunately, all the blinds were closed on the outside windows. This was only the case for the BI, the rest of the office building had blinds open. One could speculate that they close the blinds to keep people like me from verifying that there is no lab space, but there are plenty of other reasons to do so. So the contents of the BI remain a mystery to me.

Conclusion: There is certainly enough space in the office building for a lab. No one was working there on the weekend, so they probably don't have a lot of employees.

Odd.  You'd think all the experiments would be under 24/7 surveillance so they could be there to see the Intelligent Finger poking around.

Does God show up on surveillance video?

And more importantly, did you leave a flaming bag of dog poop at the front door?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2008,21:12   

The Intelligent Finger was otherwise occupied this weekend:



Nose Picker, by Shopping Diva

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 09 2008,22:26   

Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 09 2008,21:01)
And more importantly, did you leave a flaming bag of dog poop at the front door?

I wonder if the EF could determine whether such a phenomenon was naturally occurring.  What is the CSI of flaming feces?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,13:02   

Shocking news, as reported by me at my new blog home:

The Biologic Institute's webpage has evolved.

It now has an empty blog too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,13:36   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 02 2008,13:02)
Shocking news, as reported by me at my new blog home:

The Biologic Institute's webpage has evolved.

It now has an empty blog too.

They've done more than that. If you go to 'Authors' you find
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Doug Axe daxe@biologicinstitute.org

Doug is Biologic Institute's Director of Research.


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,18:01   

Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 02 2008,13:36)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 02 2008,13:02)
Shocking news, as reported by me at my new blog home:

The Biologic Institute's webpage has evolved.

It now has an empty blog too.

They've done more than that. If you go to 'Authors' you find  
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Doug Axe daxe@biologicinstitute.org

Doug is Biologic Institute's Director of Research.

I like that when you click on the "research" tab, you get a 404 error message - Subject not found.

Hurray for the Biologic Institute - Unlike all the other ID sites they are not lying to us about not doing research.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2008,18:20   

404 - area code of Atlanta.

Maybe they moved their lab.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2008,11:25   

Or maybe it's gone with the wind?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,14:28   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 03 2008,11:25)
Or maybe it's gone with the wind?

Frankly, Henry, I don't give a damn.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,17:31   

Was someone from the Seattle area going to drop by and snap some photos?  I will be in Seattle soon on business but I don't think I'll have time to go to Redmond...If I am in fact able to do that I'll not only knock on the door and see who's home I'll snap some shots of this super secret ID bunker.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,18:02   

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Was someone from the Seattle area going to drop by and snap some photos?  I will be in Seattle soon on business but I don't think I'll have time to go to Redmond...If I am in fact able to do that I'll not only knock on the door and see who's home I'll snap some shots of this super secret ID bunker.

Pretend to be a trash collector. Put on overalls and push a garbage can on wheels. That should get you into the place. No one likes taking out the trash.

I’d contribute some bail money if you get caught. Then you could hire one of the DI’s MANY lawyers who are fellows to defend you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,18:11   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 05 2008,15:31)
Was someone from the Seattle area going to drop by and snap some photos?  I will be in Seattle soon on business but I don't think I'll have time to go to Redmond...If I am in fact able to do that I'll not only knock on the door and see who's home I'll snap some shots of this super secret ID bunker.

I did (some of) that, but the photos are of the outside and totally uninteresting. It's an office building.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,20:20   

Quote (argystokes @ Mar. 05 2008,18:11)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 05 2008,15:31)
Was someone from the Seattle area going to drop by and snap some photos?  I will be in Seattle soon on business but I don't think I'll have time to go to Redmond...If I am in fact able to do that I'll not only knock on the door and see who's home I'll snap some shots of this super secret ID bunker.

I did (some of) that, but the photos are of the outside and totally uninteresting. It's an office building.

At least it's not the PO Box that someone (Wes?) has a picture of that Post Office Box that was supposed to be the address of the ISCID...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,21:09   

This?



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2008,22:27   

Iz true.  66 Witherspoon St. is the address of UPS store #2026 in Princeton.  CLick on theUPSstore.com to see what a "suite" looks like.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,07:06   

Speaking of nonentities, here are a couple more:
Journal of Evolutionary Informatics
Institute for Evolutionary Informatics

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,10:02   

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2008,22:27)
Iz true.  66 Witherspoon St. is the address of UPS store #2026 in Princeton.  CLick on theUPSstore.com to see what a "suite" looks like.

And just up the street at 14 Witherspoon is the most excellent "Small World Coffee".

In fact, here's a video of (I believe) the ISCID guys getting their morning coffee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBS8XSXyUc

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,10:10   

Quote (BopDiddy @ Mar. 06 2008,10:02)
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2008,22:27)
Iz true.  66 Witherspoon St. is the address of UPS store #2026 in Princeton.  CLick on theUPSstore.com to see what a "suite" looks like.

And just up the street at 14 Witherspoon is the most excellent "Small World Coffee".

In fact, here's a video of (I believe) the ISCID guys getting their morning coffee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVBS8XSXyUc

And why was Behe wearing a dress?

Oh, never mind...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,11:11   

Oh I get it!

It's Stag party!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2008,14:02   

More recent picture here.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 24 2008,22:51   

Bob O'H
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Shocking news, as reported by me at my new blog home:

The Biologic Institute's webpage has evolved.

During the last weeks the BI has evolved to The Home of the EXPELLED

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,00:30   

I see Sternberg has got his von back.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,01:30   

Quote (olegt @ Mar. 06 2008,08:06)
Speaking of nonentities, here are a couple more:
Journal of Evolutionary Informatics
Institute for Evolutionary Informatics

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The material on this Web site does not necessarily represent the views of the employers of JOEI's volunteers - but it should.


I wonder if that line was ripped off of Bob Park's What's New.

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Bob Park can be reached via email at whatsnew@bobpark.org
THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND
Opinions are the author's and are not necessarily shared by the University, but they should be.


Will IDers ever stop trying to steal shit from real scientists?

Edited by stevestory on April 25 2008,02:31

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,08:16   

Quote (stevestory @ April 25 2008,01:30)
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 06 2008,08:06)
Speaking of nonentities, here are a couple more:
Journal of Evolutionary Informatics
Institute for Evolutionary Informatics

 
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The material on this Web site does not necessarily represent the views of the employers of JOEI's volunteers - but it should.


I wonder if that line was ripped off of Bob Park's What's New.

 
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Bob Park can be reached via email at whatsnew@bobpark.org
THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND
Opinions are the author's and are not necessarily shared by the University, but they should be.


Will IDers ever stop trying to steal shit from real scientists?

Oh, I know, I know!  Call on me!!!


.....No.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,08:21   

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Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:21   

What I want to know about the list of papers at the Biologic Institute is which ones support the idea of an Intelligent Designer?

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Shapiro JA, von Sternberg R (2005) Why repetitive DNA is essential to genome function. Biological Reviews 80: 227-250. Review. PMID: 15921050

von Sternberg R, Shapiro JA (2005) How repeated retroelements format genome function. Cytogenetic and Genome Research 110: 108-116. PMID: 16093662

Axe DD (2004) Estimating the prevalence of protein sequences adopting functional enzyme folds. Journal of Molecular Biology 341: 1295-1315. PMID: 15321723

Lu H, Macosko J, Habel-Rodriguez D, Keller RW, Brozik JA, Keller D (2004) Closing of the fingers domain generates motor forces in the HIV reverse transcriptase. Journal of Biological Chemistry 279: 54529-54532. PMID: 15385563

Keller D, Swigon D, Bustamante C (2003) Relating single-molecule measurements to thermodynamics. Biophysical Journal 84: 733-738. PMID: 12547757


As far as I can see, none of them even come close! Mind, I've not read the papers in question but.....

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:32   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 25 2008,07:21)
What I want to know about the list of papers at the Biologic Institute is which ones support the idea of an Intelligent Designer?

   
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Shapiro JA, von Sternberg R (2005) Why repetitive DNA is essential to genome function. Biological Reviews 80: 227-250. Review. PMID: 15921050

von Sternberg R, Shapiro JA (2005) How repeated retroelements format genome function. Cytogenetic and Genome Research 110: 108-116. PMID: 16093662

Axe DD (2004) Estimating the prevalence of protein sequences adopting functional enzyme folds. Journal of Molecular Biology 341: 1295-1315. PMID: 15321723

Lu H, Macosko J, Habel-Rodriguez D, Keller RW, Brozik JA, Keller D (2004) Closing of the fingers domain generates motor forces in the HIV reverse transcriptase. Journal of Biological Chemistry 279: 54529-54532. PMID: 15385563

Keller D, Swigon D, Bustamante C (2003) Relating single-molecule measurements to thermodynamics. Biophysical Journal 84: 733-738. PMID: 12547757


As far as I can see, none of them even come close! Mind, I've not read the papers in question but.....

Doesn't matter at all. Their audience is not scientists, but people just like FTK. They'll be dazzled by a big list of six or seven sciency-sounding titles full of long words, and even tho they'll never read them (or even look at them), they'll immediately come to the conclusion that "there is now scientific proof of Intelligent Design." They will then trumpet this assertion all over the internet, and be further emboldened when their local school district holds meetings to establish scientific curricula. (Where they will declare "there are all kinds of scientific papers proving Intelligent Design!") The goal of the research is then achieved.

Well, the first goal. The second goal, of 'overthrowing materialism', might take a bit longer.

In fact, no one will read the papers at all probably except people like PZ.

BTW, the Wikipedia article has some funny bits:

 
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New Scientist magazine sent a reporter to the Biologic Institute facilities in late 2006 to investigate. The reporter, Celeste Biever, was given a fairly chilly reception and found few willing to speak to her about their research.[4] Although the New Scientist article was somewhat negative, the Discovery Institute touted it as unequivocal evidence that the Biologic Institute is engaging in scientific research.[16]
The only one of the four Biologic Institute directors willing to speak to New Scientist reporter Biever was George Weber, a retired member of the business faculty at Whitworth University, a private Christian college associated with the Presbyterian Church (USA) in Spokane, Washington. Weber belongs to the Spokane chapter of Reasons to Believe, a fundamentalist evangelical Christian creationist organization.[17] Weber stated that, "We are the first ones doing what we might call lab science in intelligent design" and "The objective is to challenge the scientific community on naturalism."[4] After speaking to New Scientist, Weber left the board of the Biologic Institute. Axe explained in an email to Biever that this was because Weber "was found to have seriously misunderstood the purpose of Biologic and to have misrepresented it."[4]


This is even funnier:

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Gauger reported on her work at the Wistar Retrospective Symposium held from June 3 through June 7, 2007 in Boston, Massachusetts. As reported by Daniel Brooks, "...she discussed “leaky growth,” in microbial colonies at high densities, leading to horizontal transfer of genetic information, and announced that under such conditions she had actually found a novel variant that seemed to lead to enhanced colony growth. Gunther Wagner said, “So, a beneficial mutation happened right in your lab?” at which point the moderator halted questioning."[30]


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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:39   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

Are you by chance referring to this?

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On July 27, 2007, Dr. Marks received email Ben Kelley, Dean of the School of Engineering and Computer Science at Baylor University, stating "Dr. Marks: I have received several concerned messages this week about an interview and web site dealing with evolutionary computing associated ID. Please disconnect this web site immediately..."


Followed by this?  

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August 2, 2007.  Dean Kelley blocked Dr. Marks's web site on Evolutionary Informatics.  Dr. Marks e-mails "Baylor has removed my web site. I was not consulted nor, to date, sent any correspondence about the matter."


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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:40   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 25 2008,09:21)
What I want to know about the list of papers at the Biologic Institute is which ones support the idea of an Intelligent Designer?

 
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Shapiro JA, von Sternberg R (2005) Why repetitive DNA is essential to genome function. Biological Reviews 80: 227-250. Review. PMID: 15921050

von Sternberg R, Shapiro JA (2005) How repeated retroelements format genome function. Cytogenetic and Genome Research 110: 108-116. PMID: 16093662

Axe DD (2004) Estimating the prevalence of protein sequences adopting functional enzyme folds. Journal of Molecular Biology 341: 1295-1315. PMID: 15321723

Lu H, Macosko J, Habel-Rodriguez D, Keller RW, Brozik JA, Keller D (2004) Closing of the fingers domain generates motor forces in the HIV reverse transcriptase. Journal of Biological Chemistry 279: 54529-54532. PMID: 15385563

Keller D, Swigon D, Bustamante C (2003) Relating single-molecule measurements to thermodynamics. Biophysical Journal 84: 733-738. PMID: 12547757


As far as I can see, none of them even come close! Mind, I've not read the papers in question but.....

The first paper is junk. http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/12/another-example.html

No idea on the second paper.  Similar line to the first, from the title.

The third paper doesn't show protein evolution is unlikely.

Fourth paper: It's got motor in the title!

Fifth paper:  I know what the paper is about: how it "supports" ID is unimaginable.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:44   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

Did you mean this seminar, entitled "Was There Death Before the Fall of Adam and Eve?", delivered to Marks' research group on Thursday, April 1st, 2004, by Dr. Walter L. Bradley, Distinguished Professor Of Engineering and Associate Dean of Research, ECS, Baylor University?

Or was that an April Fools joke by those daffy EIL engineers at Baylor? Is there some significance that the next seminar that semester was by Dr. Dr. D. hisself?

If there is something more spectacularly "scientific" on that site, I'd love to hear about it!



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:45   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

14. Final thoughts

No one, on either side, has made a comment (substantive or otherwise) on the technical content of Dr. Marks's papers.


That it?

ETA I see others are hunting too.  You kids get off my lawn!!!  Hermagoras, I thought that one was too easy, it being right up on top of the page.  Sigh.  i guess there are probably millions of spectacular easter eggs here.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:53   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.




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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,09:58   

NB: Is there a better thread for this?  

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

Also, it's worth pointing out that this is an amazingly insecure site.  Check out the parent pages and their entirely accessible directories:

http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/LabHistory/EIL_History/

http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/

A nice example here:
 
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June 11, 2007

Dear President Lilley,

I hope your summer is going well. The enclosed book is a gift. Although gifts of books can be presumptuous, I hope you have time to peruse it. It is a well written work, easily read, that challenges some solidly held science dogma.

I and some others at Baylor are doing work in how God is revealed in science, mathematics and engineering [Romans 1:20]. One oft misunderstood component of this area is sometimes called Intelligent Design. The phrase is now used largely in an inappropriate pejorative sense because of its depiction as mindless uninformed creationism. Proper study of the interface of God and Science is anything but. Some of my work in this area is on my homepage at
http://web.ecs.baylor.edu/faculty/marks/eil/.

Baylor Distinguished Professor Walter Bradley, a pioneer on the discussion of  the need for intelligence on the creation of life, and I would welcome the opportunity to talk to you about this field. Please consider it an open and ongoing invitation. This area is a media active topic, and we would be honored to try and answer any questions you have, or to present an overview to you or anyone else at Baylor.
I have also sent a copy of this book to Provost O’Brien.

Thanks for listening,

Robert J. Marks II

[After name changes, the same note is sent to Dr. O'Brien .]


Anyway, there's a lot of fun to be had rummaging around to do there.

Is there a way to make a full copy of all that site material in a single stroke, while it's still there?

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Keep searching, guys.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:13   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 25 2008,07:45)
 
Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

14. Final thoughts

No one, on either side, has made a comment (substantive or otherwise) on the technical content of Dr. Marks's papers.


That it?

ETA I see others are hunting too.  You kids get off my lawn!!!  Hermagoras, I thought that one was too easy, it being right up on top of the page.  Sigh.  i guess there are probably millions of spectacular easter eggs here.

 
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No one, on either side, has made a comment (substantive or otherwise) on the technical content of Dr. Marks's papers.


Um, people don't normally broadcast the fact that their research is ignored by everyone...   :p

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:16   

This quote has a certain level of irony:

 
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"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans-- anything except reason."


Plus, it's rather ironic that this page contains dozens of whiny quotes about how egotistical those wicked secular academics are, along with several dozen little images of Marks' face. Whoops.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:16   

Didn't Wes highlight some errors? Isn't that where we got the 'Demski' as a unit of error?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,10:16)
Didn't Wes highlight some errors? Isn't that where we got the 'Demski' as a unit of error?

Right.  That was what I found to be the most galling and obstreperous claim yet.
God dam rich that is some hilarious stuff.  to be honest, i was not interested in what this fuckstick looks like so i didn't even look.  jesus.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:27   

I dare you to look at Marks and not have 'Disco Inferno' running through your head.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:31   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:58)
Keep searching, guys.

Ooh.  How about this good cop/bad cop moment:
 
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Dr. Marks doesn't want Baylor hurt, and William Dembski, rightfully angry, has the capability of going nuclear with the media.  Dr. Marks and Walter Bradley meet with William Dembski and everyone promises to let the matter lie.  Provost O'Brien seems genuinely pleased.


Now, see here O'Brien, I understand your concerns and I want to work with you. But, my associate here, well, I can't predict what he will do.  After you wouldn't let him take his family to the faculty all-you-can-eat taco bar in the staff dining room he has had some, you know, anger issues.  I am not saying he would do anything, but, who knows, he is loco.  You might find yourself in a farty flash animation or maybe even your phone number on the internet.  You can just never tell what happens when he loses control.....

EDITTED TO ADD: I think it was clever that all the photos were taken so as not to show Mark's stigmata.

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???http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/Marks/P/MarksArt/SketchMarks/ShabuShabu.jpg

fucking image too big for me to feel good about sticking it here.  what a weirdo this guy is.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:56   

Quote (Hermagoras @ April 25 2008,07:58)
NB: Is there a better thread for this?  

   
Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,09:02)
Check out The History of the Evolutionary Informatics Lab Web Site (With Supporting Documents) compiled by Bob Marks.  There's a truly spectacular Easter egg hidden on that web page.

Also, it's worth pointing out that this is an amazingly insecure site.  Check out the parent pages and their entirely accessible directories:

http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/LabHistory/EIL_History/

http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/

A nice example here:
     
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June 11, 2007

Dear President Lilley,

I hope your summer is going well. The enclosed book is a gift. Although gifts of books can be presumptuous, I hope you have time to peruse it. It is a well written work, easily read, that challenges some solidly held science dogma.

I and some others at Baylor are doing work in how God is revealed in science, mathematics and engineering [Romans 1:20]. One oft misunderstood component of this area is sometimes called Intelligent Design. The phrase is now used largely in an inappropriate pejorative sense because of its depiction as mindless uninformed creationism. Proper study of the interface of God and Science is anything but. Some of my work in this area is on my homepage at
http://web.ecs.baylor.edu/faculty/marks/eil/.

Baylor Distinguished Professor Walter Bradley, a pioneer on the discussion of  the need for intelligence on the creation of life, and I would welcome the opportunity to talk to you about this field. Please consider it an open and ongoing invitation. This area is a media active topic, and we would be honored to try and answer any questions you have, or to present an overview to you or anyone else at Baylor.
I have also sent a copy of this book to Provost O’Brien.

Thanks for listening,

Robert J. Marks II

[After name changes, the same note is sent to Dr. O'Brien .]


Anyway, there's a lot of fun to be had rummaging around to do there.

Is there a way to make a full copy of all that site material in a single stroke, while it's still there?

It wasn't hard to find this, either.

Or this.

I know it's rather adolescent, but I was amused how the 3 names listed there were "Dingding Chen", "William A. Dembski", and "Orlando DeJesus".

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,10:58   

WTF?  Those other guys, DeJesus and Chen, work at Halliburton.

Why am I not surprised?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:02   

Looks like Marks is Galapagos Finch. There's a file in there somewhere that says "if you are not Finch, log out".

The picture of Marks holding a cut out life size Ben Stein's hand is 100% classic.

I bet there's gold in them thair directories. Gold that contradicts previously stated positions!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:09   

If it's legal, I hope someone is archiving.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:09   

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Is there a way to make a full copy of all that site material in a single stroke, while it's still there?


wget springs to mind.  It's originally a unix command line tool, but has been compiled for windows as well.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:33   

Quote (awhite @ April 25 2008,11:09)
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 25 2008,09:58)
Is there a way to make a full copy of all that site material in a single stroke, while it's still there?


wget springs to mind.  It's originally a unix command line tool, but has been compiled for windows as well.

Thanks.  I went from there to the SpiderZilla Firefox add-on, which seems to be doing the trick.  Mirroring the site on my machine while I speak.  Just in case it's lost any any time soon.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,11:09)
If it's legal, I hope someone is archiving.

It's on the internet and nobody hacked into their server or anything.  Seems pretty solid to me.

Looks like this stuff is full of religious references by the way, probably not what the IDers want leaked to the public.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:49   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 25 2008,11:02)
Looks like Marks is Galapagos Finch. There's a file in there somewhere that says "if you are not Finch, log out".

The picture of Marks holding a cut out life size Ben Stein's hand is 100% classic.

I bet there's gold in them thair directories. Gold that contradicts previously stated positions!

Might this be what you're looking for?  

   
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:54   

Quote (Reginald Beasley @ April 25 2008,11:38)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,11:09)
If it's legal, I hope someone is archiving.

It's on the internet and nobody hacked into their server or anything.  Seems pretty solid to me.

Looks like this stuff is full of religious references by the way, probably not what the IDers want leaked to the public.

Deleting parts of the URL to go to a higher level part of the site I would class as standard internet policy.

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http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/the-god-connect.html

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http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/

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http://pandasthumb.org/archives/


I use it all the time. If they don't want this exposed (directory browsing) then a single line in the apache .conf file will fix it.

They could not even claim foul under the DMCA!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,11:58   

If you recall, "olegt" talked about a "smoking gun" concerning the identity of "Galapagos Finch". That stuff is what he was talking about.

Mark Chu-Carroll has also commented on the essays on the EIL site. There's not much else to do until they appear in a journal somewhere. I would have thought it would be relatively easy to slip some of that by in some computer science journal, and not necessarily even an obscure computer science journal. But maybe the editorial oversight has tightened up some in general.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:07   

From a pdf of a student eval:

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1.  What characteristics of this instructor contribute most to his or her effectiveness?

(handwritten answer)

Whenever I lacked the ability to stay awake, he helped me to pay attention by throwing objects at me.

Very interesting side stories.


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great personality

He called me good looking whenever I sneezed.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:09   

Lots of goodies here,

The Powerpoint presentation "Genesis and Science: Compatibility Extraordinaire" is definitely worth a look.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:14   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 25 2008,09:58)
Mark Chu-Carroll has also commented on the essays on the EIL site.

Do you have a link for that?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:29   

previously I had considered marks to be above the level where Dembksi floats (imagine if you will a soggy floater).

I figured Gloppy was the dr dr dr.  Now I feel comfortable in concluding that MArks might just be stupider than Dumbski, only with more savoir fare.  and less sweaters.  but maybe more eczema.  and definitely a hobbit looking thing going on.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:32   

This has a thebritesesque colour scheme:

http://cayman.globat.com/~trademarksnet.com/TOE/

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:35   

Not really sure *what* to say:

EDITED TO PROTECT THE YOUNGUNS!  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:38   

EDITED.



BUMCLOUDS.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:44   


EDITED for niceness.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:49   

Pre-empting, and it goes for everyone.

Lay off the kids.  This isn't Young Cosmos.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:50   

yeah, he's Gloppy alright:





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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:53   

This just keeps on giving, doesn't it.  Ladies and germs, I give you: The Journal of Evolutionary Informatics!

Under "Information for authors":

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Sorry. We are not yet accepting manuscripts.

And also:  
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The material on this Web site does not necessarily represent the views of the employers of JOEI's volunteers - but it should.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,12:55   

Well, we've identified 2 designers:

Demski as voice from the flash animation
Marks as Galapagos finch

No wonder the IDers keep asking if we've "found Jesus yet?"

I thought there's no way no siree you could find designers and so you shouldn't look, no not at all?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,13:00   

Quote (Hermagoras @ April 25 2008,12:53)
This just keeps on giving, doesn't it.  Ladies and germs, I give you: The Journal of Evolutionary Informatics!

Under "Information for authors":

   
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Sorry. We are not yet accepting manuscripts.

And also:    
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The material on this Web site does not necessarily represent the views of the employers of JOEI's volunteers - but it should.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Deacon

JOEI made me chuckle when I saw that.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,13:08   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 25 2008,13:50)
yeah, he's Gloppy alright:




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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,13:11   

It's kind of like we did Dembski's Friday Meltdown for him today!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,13:20   



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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,13:25   



Hi, I'm Robert Marks, a 57 year old engineer. You should stay clear of me, I'm scary. I like to eat sticks. I don't have any black belts - but do have lots of guns. When I went to the NRA convention in Seattle, my favorite umber sticker was "Beware of dog. He eats everything I shoot." I laughed my head off.  I like to shoot things for fun.

ABe: doh!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,15:15   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 25 2008,10:56)
It wasn't hard to find this, either.

Or this.

I know it's rather adolescent, but I was amused how the 3 names listed there were "Dingding Chen", "William A. Dembski", and "Orlando DeJesus".

I like the fact that "Christian" is misspelled in the URL in the first link. Jeebus, as Homer says.

And I think I'll name my next child DingDing. Works for a boy or a girl!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,16:18   

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We have a wiener!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,20:42   

It was fun while it lasted.  Now it looks like Gloppy has 404ed teh links.  :(

Well, at least we still have the Institute for Evolutionary Informatics!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2008,22:44   

Note to self: mirror first, THEN discuss....

Sorry, did my inner dialog escape again?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,02:10   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,20:42)
It was fun while it lasted.  Now it looks like Gloppy has 404ed teh links.  :(

Well, at least we still have the Institute for Evolutionary Informatics!


Bad link. Better one higher up in thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,02:41   

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 25 2008,13:20)


 
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Isnt that the toilet from CBGBs? (Before it was shut...)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,07:26   

Quote (Quack @ April 26 2008,02:10)
Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,20:42)
It was fun while it lasted.  Now it looks like Gloppy has 404ed teh links.  :(

Well, at least we still have the Institute for Evolutionary Informatics!


Bad link. Better one higher up in thread.

No, the link was fine.  The page has been removed.  

Gloppy, I hope you don't kill your fine journal!

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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,07:50   

Quote (melatonin @ April 25 2008,13:25)


Hi, I'm Robert Marks, a 57 year old engineer. You should stay clear of me, I'm scary. I like to eat sticks. I don't have any black belts - but do have lots of guns. When I went to the NRA convention in Seattle, my favorite umber sticker was "Beware of dog. He eats everything I shoot." I laughed my head off.  I like to shoot things for fun.

ABe: doh!

Is this the look he was aiming for...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,08:39   

Quote (don_quixote @ April 26 2008,15:50)
Quote (melatonin @ April 25 2008,13:25)


Hi, I'm Robert Marks, a 57 year old engineer. You should stay clear of me, I'm scary. I like to eat sticks. I don't have any black belts - but do have lots of guns. When I went to the NRA convention in Seattle, my favorite umber sticker was "Beware of dog. He eats everything I shoot." I laughed my head off.  I like to shoot things for fun.

ABe: doh!

Is this the look he was aiming for...

Probably ...I'll bet he has bigger tits.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 26 2008,18:05   

Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,20:42)
It was fun while it lasted.  Now it looks like Gloppy has 404ed teh links.  :(

Well, at least we still have the Institute for Evolutionary Informatics!

I've mirrored most of the site, though I've deleted the huge set of family images.  A shitload of disk space (>5 gig!)

I'm keeping the good Tard though.

Hermagoras + BobMarks 4EVAH!  

Hey, here's a thought.  If I've got the mirrored version of the Galapagos Finch page, does that mean I have . . .

wait for it  . . .

Gloppy seconds??! !?  

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(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2008,07:52   

Quote (Hermagoras @ April 26 2008,18:05)
Quote (olegt @ April 25 2008,20:42)
It was fun while it lasted.  Now it looks like Gloppy has 404ed teh links.  :(

Well, at least we still have the Institute for Evolutionary Informatics!

I've mirrored most of the site, though I've deleted the huge set of family images.  A shitload of disk space (>5 gig!)

I'm keeping the good Tard though.

Hermagoras + BobMarks 4EVAH!  

Hey, here's a thought.  If I've got the mirrored version of the Galapagos Finch page, does that mean I have . . .

wait for it  . . .

Gloppy seconds??! !?  

EWWWW!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,07:56   

The last piece of the imaginary empire, JoEI (the Journal of Evolutionary Informatics), is gone, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,08:20   

Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,07:56)
The last piece of the imaginary empire, JoEI (the Journal of Evolutionary Informatics), is gone, too.

Let us remember it how it was then





What a load of tard. We invite the submission of manuscripts but are currently not accepting any.

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Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,07:56)
The last piece of the imaginary empire, JoEI (the Journal of Evolutionary Informatics), is gone, too.

Do we send a card?  Chip in for flowers?  (And do we send them to Dembski or Marks?) Will there be an open casket showing?  

So many questions, so little time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,00:45   

G.Gonzalez really claims that people who watch an eclipse should be thankful to the designer.
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Indeed, the prevalence of cloud-free weather on planet Earth enables us to view not only eclipses but also stars, galaxies, and other planets. Although we tend to take this for granted, it certainly isn’t the case everywhere. In fact, we have several examples in our Solar System of worlds with nearly opaque atmospheres—Venus, the giant planets, and Titan—where the kinds of celestial observation we enjoy on Earth would be impossible.
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2008,07:49   

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G.Gonzalez really claims that people who watch an eclipse should be thankful to the designer.  
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No one on the ground would have seen the eclipse if the clouds had prevailed along the entire eclipse path.

Indeed, the prevalence of cloud-free weather on planet Earth enables us to view not only eclipses but also stars, galaxies, and other planets. Although we tend to take this for granted, it certainly isn’t the case everywhere. In fact, we have several examples in our Solar System of worlds with nearly opaque atmospheres—Venus, the giant planets, and Titan—where the kinds of celestial observation we enjoy on Earth would be impossible.
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I wonder why he's wondering why he didn't receive tenure.

I'm wondering what God has against the Venutians and Titanians, and why they're always socked in with the cloud cover. Maybe their Adams ate two apples?

And if the cloud free skies here are so that we can see the eclipses and stars and stuff, how come he didn't just place them a little closer so we could see them better? Seriously. Dude. Does he not know how frakking hard it is to see extrasolar planets when they're so far away???

Also, how come he doesn't have the church people chip in a couple bucks toward the great telescopes of the world, if it's so damned important to him?

And how come he made his church people be so mean to Galileo, if all that stuff up there is for us to see and understand so that we can marvel in the beauty that he created? Wouldn't that mean that those church people were actually working for Satan? Were they not True Christians™? Are they burning in Hell right now?

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G.Gonzalez really claims that people who watch an eclipse should be thankful to the designer.    
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No one on the ground would have seen the eclipse if the clouds had prevailed along the entire eclipse path.

Indeed, the prevalence of cloud-free weather on planet Earth enables us to view not only eclipses but also stars, galaxies, and other planets. Although we tend to take this for granted, it certainly isn’t the case everywhere. In fact, we have several examples in our Solar System of worlds with nearly opaque atmospheres—Venus, the giant planets, and Titan—where the kinds of celestial observation we enjoy on Earth would be impossible.
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I wonder why he's wondering why he didn't receive tenure.

I'm wondering what God has against the Venutians and Titanians, and why they're always socked in with the cloud cover. Maybe their Adams ate two apples?

And if the cloud free skies here are so that we can see the eclipses and stars and stuff, how come he didn't just place them a little closer so we could see them better? Seriously. Dude. Does he not know how frakking hard it is to see extrasolar planets when they're so far away???

Also, how come he doesn't have the church people chip in a couple bucks toward the great telescopes of the world, if it's so damned important to him?

And how come he made his church people be so mean to Galileo, if all that stuff up there is for us to see and understand so that we can marvel in the beauty that he created? Wouldn't that mean that those church people were actually working for Satan? Were they not True Christians™? Are they burning in Hell right now?

Great points!

He could also shed some of his privileged knowledge on "Which" Designer is right...  Allah The Designer?  Vishnu The Designer or Teh Christian Designer or one of the thousand other Designers?  Or is The Designer just having way too much fun now, giving various knuckleheads the privilege of blowing themselves up for Teh Deisgner?

We are Sooooo Privileged!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2009,15:19   

It's back!  The Biologic Institute has another blog post.  It starts BIG:
 
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It’s a big year for all things Darwin.  This month, two centuries after his birth, we commemorate the man and his accomplishments.  And in November, a century and a half after On the Origin of Species was published, we commemorate the beginnings of the theory by which we all know him.

But how exactly should we think of his theory?  Is it to be remembered the way we remember the man—as an important part of the past?  Or is it to be remembered as something more than that—as an intellectual seed that grew into something that thrives to this day?

and then focusses in:
 
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Many, of course, would like to think of Darwin’s theory in these flourishing terms.  But the growth of something else makes this view increasingly hard to hold.  We refer here to the seldom discussed but steadily expanding body of peer-reviewed scientific work that refuses to square with Darwinism.

The "what peer reviewed literature?" question is becoming stale, so let's no bother.  Next they get to the point:
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Take a look at the recent Genetics paper by Rick Durrett and Deena Schmidt. [1]  They’ve done the math to calculate how long it would take for Darwin’s mechanism to accomplish a particular kind of functional conversion.  And their eagerness to “expose flaws in some of Michael Behe’s arguments” [1] shows that they think they’ve resuscitated Darwinism after Behe pronounced it dead. [2]

So they're showing that something Behe said is wrong.
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Have they?

Maybe the answer depends on how vigorous a theory you were hoping for.  Part of what ails Darwinism, in other words, may be that people have such high expectations of it.

If you think Darwinism explains how life acquired the great variety of forms we see around us (the grand vision that Darwin himself had) you’ll probably be disappointed with Durrett and Schmidt’s findings.  

Well, they were just responding to a point of Behe's.
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Darwin’s vision is chock-full of conversions of the most profound kind—all complex life forms originating from one or a few simple forms.  Whereas the conversions that Durrett and Schmidt examine are nothing like that.

Theirs are conversions not from one body plan to another, or from one organ or tissue or cell type to another, or even from one protein molecule or gene to another, but rather from one binding site to another. These binding sites are DNA sequences about one hundredth the size of a gene that affect how a nearby gene is switched on and off.  Conversion is accomplished by two point mutations occurring in succession:

OK, so Behe writes a paper about the BIG, BOLD problem in the BIG, BOLD theory of evolution.  Durrett and Schmidt write a response.  And they're the ones not thinking big?  I guess we can take it as a sign of how badly off ID is if they can only deal with small changes, within a gene.  I mean that's just micro-evolution, which almost everyone accepts, right?

Well done, chaps.  You've just argued that Behe is irrelevant.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2009,16:45   

Yeah, and what up with the "bold generation of biologists" all of a sudden? I thought they wanted to strike biology from the academy as a science? Because they're just a bunch of "stamp collectors"?

Looks like they changed their minds again. Oh, well. At least they've helped get the phrase "peer-reviewed papers" into the general vernacular. Of course, they treat scholarly papers like fetishes, but still. :)

P.S. The cheesy-poof banner motif has mildewed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2009,11:11   

So....

Is Axe hoping that the sycophantery will not question his implicit claim that all evolutionary changes require two sequential mutations in a receptor gene?

  
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