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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2002,08:54   

So what happened to get mturner, Genie, and Chris banned at ARN?  Did some thread that I missed go down in flames?  Does anyone know?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2002,09:50   

Quote (dayton @ Dec. 21 2002,08:54)
So what happened to get mturner, Genie, and Chris banned at ARN?  Did some thread that I missed go down in flames?  Does anyone know?

I've also been wondering about Chris and Genie, but I didn't know mturner had also been banned. It looks like they've got rid of Mod 4 (aka jazzraptor). Curiouser and curiouser.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2002,10:08   

Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 21 2002,09:50)
I've also been wondering about Chris and Genie, but I didn't know mturner had also been banned. It looks like they've got rid of Mod 4 (aka jazzraptor). Curiouser and curiouser.

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Errm, who is "they"?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2002,16:50   

You're kidding.  I thought Chris Langan was the new ARN luminary, and a moderator himself to boot.

I never could figure out what CTMU had to do with ID (or what it was at all), but then I didn't try very hard.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2002,20:24   

My suspicion is that a few IDists complained to the ARN management, however one does that, and they finally decided to take charge.  There had been at least a few IDists who objected to Langan's insulting behavior only to have his venom turned on them.  How ironic is it for an ISCID fellow to get banned from an ID board?  I guess the only question now is if ARN will return to a semi-interesting board.  Although I'd get a real kick out of hearing some details about the banning if anyone hears about them. ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2002,01:01   

For the last few months the only reason to look in on ARN at all was to watch the meltdown.

Honestly, is there a single interesting scientific position that any IDiot has ever offered on the ARN board?  

A bit over a year ago, I was taken in by an argument about Wells' Icons Chapter 2 about the oxidation state of the Hadean/Archaen and the origin of life.  1400 journal pages, 8 books and a year later, I have learned that neither DNAUnion or Mike Gene knew what they were talking about. (Nor does Wells)  

I learned nothing at all from DNAUnion, Mike Gene or Wells, other than they are too incompetent to even  read the freely available literature.  (OK, so it wasn't free.  But I would say that I spent less than $500 on books, copying and journal fees.  Well, less than $600)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2002,07:59   

Quote (pzmyers @ Dec. 21 2002,10:08)
Quote (Bebbo @ Dec. 21 2002,09:50)
I've also been wondering about Chris and Genie, but I didn't know mturner had also been banned. It looks like they've got rid of Mod 4 (aka jazzraptor). Curiouser and curiouser.

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Errm, who is "they"?

"They" is whoever runs ARN.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2002,01:13   

From the MegaBoards:
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Topic: CTMU: Reality Principle (33 of 33), Read 6 times
Conf: Reality Theory
From: Chris Langan
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 07:51 PM
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>Would someone tell me, please, how to
>find the ARN debate? Is it open to the
>public?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Paul

Hi, Paul. My advice would be "don't bother". Genie and I are pretty much through with the place (ARN) unless we receive a full apology for the abuse we've suffered there over the last 6 weeks, not only from an army of vicious, pea-brained, officially-shielded trolls euphemistically called "ID critics", but also from the "management" (if one can call it that, given the jungle-like atmosphere). Whatever they're doing over there at ARN, it seems to have very little to do with substantively discussing the issues.

Genie and I were two of the only ARN posters who had the guts to use our real names - so did a few of those who joined us there from this board - and we only started posting there in self-defense because I was being viciously slurred behind my back. Unfortunately, we rapidly learned that the place is a superconducting troll magnet that deceptively calls itself an "ID-friendly forum" while appointing anonymous, ID-hating trolls as "moderators" for the sake of "fairness" and a "balanced view". To capture the feeling, envision a half-dozen pro-ID posters fighting for their lives on one side of a scale, dozens of closed-minded, dimwitted anti-ID atheists and materialists piled up in layers on the other side of the scale, and the "management" holding both thumbs on the anti-ID side of the scale just to make sure that the trolls feel comfortable and appreciated even when hurling offal like petulant monkeys (a frequent occurrence). Calling such a situation "balanced" is a bit like saying that Osama bin Laden deserves the Nobel Peace Prize...and make no mistake, there are a few participants over there at ARN who would probably say exactly that!

Anyway, insofar as the price for submitting one constructive pro-ID (or for that matter pro-CTMU) post at ARN is up to ten or twenty snide retorts and a shrug of the shoulders from the "ID-friendly management", you'd have to be a masochist to bother. Don't get me wrong - there are a few nice people at ARN, including a single ID-friendly moderator who now happens to be gone for the holidays (and whose wrists often seem to be bound even when he's there). But they often can't get a word in edgewise, and the vast majority of other participants can be more or less aptly described as atheist-materialist pond scum. Unfortunately, this seems to include a few so-called "theists" who turn on other theists with an eagerness to rival that of the atheists themselves.

Genie and I are very glad to be out.

Chris

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Hi all;

I got confirmation from Eddie in administration that CML and genie were also suspended, so I accept that as fair. MG was involved, but his posts weren't as down and dirty as ours were, so I don't mind that much that he was 'spared'. My real relief is to discover that it was not some behind the scenes political armtwisting on Langan's part. Maybe the realm of ineffable anonymity is starting to get its s--t back together.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2002,02:32   

Wow.  This just goes to show that everything is relative.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2002,07:30   

Thank you, JXD.  Im' glad we now we know how Chris Langan really feels about ARN.  :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 24 2002,09:26   

How curious. Did you see this comment from bertvan?
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I just received an email from Genie.

Genie:
Please remove mine and Chris's name from your post immediately. We have not been "banned"! I will be sending a complaint to the administrator. Please, bertvan, you are not a moderator and it is not your position to report on the moderation of ARN members.

Bertvan: I thought I saw a post from Askfifi, claiming they were banned. However I feel sufficiently chastised for mentioning it, something that apparently is not “my position to do”. I must have been mistaken. I’ll let Genie’s denial speak for itself - “immediately!“ [Big Grin]

Genie:
I have very little time over this holiday season and I do not want to spend any of it in negative interactions. I'm sure you can understand that. I know you are a friend of mturner's but I would appreciate it if you could not mention us in a negative way in the future, particularly not falsely.

Bertvan: I also here-by give notice that I don’t wish anyone to “mention me in a negative way in the future, particularly not falsely.” How anyone manages to disagree with something I might post, and obey that admonition, I’ll leave each individual to try to figure out for himself.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2002,12:09   

Quote (dayton @ Dec. 24 2002,07:30)
Thank you, JXD.  Im' glad we now we know how Chris Langan really feels about ARN.  :)

The curious thing is that Langan's partner was using a nom de net of Genie, not her real name, contrary to what he says.

I think ARN is well rid of Langan and his sidekick.

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