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Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,03:27    One for Arden: New Scientist article Quote Young babies can discriminate between different languages just by looking at an adult's face, even if they do not hear a single spoken word. And babies who grow up bilingual can do this for longer than monolingual infants. The work suggests that visual information helps to tell languages apart. "This supports the idea that infants come prepared to learn multiple languages and to discriminate them both auditorily and visually," says Whitney Weikum from the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who discovered babies' keen eye for speech. "Looking at a face may help identify speakers of your native language." I'm feeling a bit constructive at 4 AM.  Perhaps I should lie down until it passes. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,03:46    Science Blurb on the same discovery Quote Mother tongue, other tongue--they may all sound like gobbledygook to babies, but new research shows that infants can tell if someone switches to an unfamiliar language just by studying the speaker's face. The babies apparently rely on how the face moves, not just the sound of the words, to pick up on a foreign language. Further, scientists found, infants will likely lose that knack before their first birthday if they're not in a bilingual family that constantly exposes them to language switching. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,11:57    So babies should learn to watch their language?

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,12:40    Quote (Henry J @ May 25 2007,11:57) So babies should learn to watch their language? :) In shame I must admit, I never saw that one coming.  I must be senile. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,12:49    Science in action from the BBC World Service. Will only last a week and as best I can tell there are no archives, so get it quick. -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,14:37    Wow, great link Paul.  Stills, video, the paper, the works. Thanks for that. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,14:53    And if they are dropped on the head, or their parent's constantly extend their middle finger to them, they see design in everything, and end up addicted to ID. Quite sad really. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,17:20    Quote This supports the idea that infants come prepared to learn multiple languages interesting. I wonder what that does for biblical literalists and the story of Babel? Ok, now how does one differentiate between generalism vs. multiple specificity? IOW, are babies "prepared" to learn say, english or french or spanish, etc., or are they just prepared to learn any kind of general ability to communicate via motion and sound. am i being clear? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,17:43    Quote (Ichthyic @ May 25 2007,17:20)   Quote This supports the idea that infants come prepared to learn multiple languages interesting. I wonder what that does for biblical literalists and the story of Babel? Ok, now how does one differentiate between generalism vs. multiple specificity? IOW, are babies "prepared" to learn say, english or french or spanish, etc., or are they just prepared to learn any kind of general ability to communicate via motion and sound. am i being clear? I think I get what you're getting at. Tangential anecdote: When my wife was pregnant, I would lay my head on her belly and read Dr. Seuss or Disney books or whatever.  I have no idea if that would affect the outcome of the study or a study of your question, but each of my kids seemed to respond to my voice better than the voices of the hospital staff or even my wife.  Both of them were instant screamers, but would quiet down for as long as I held and spoke to them.  Nurses couldn't do a thing with either of them. Again, anecdotal, subjective, and certainly not scientifically rigorous, but I'd be interested to see the effects of that on the outcome of this type of study.  Would it have a different effect if I had read to them in multiple languages?  (As it happens I read only in English - don't know why, I guess I just never really thought about it at the time.) -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,18:03    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 25 2007,17:43)  Both of them were instant screamers, but would quiet down for as long as I held and spoke to them.  Nurses couldn't do a thing with either of them. When I used to babysit my sister's kids and they screamed like that for me, I'd spike their milk with Jack Daniels.  That always quieted them down. :) I'm ONLY KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Actually, my sister's kids all adore me, since I let them get away with all sorts of things that their parents would never have approved of. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,18:09    Quote Actually, my sister's kids all adore me, since I let them get away with all sorts of things that their parents would never have approved of. like underage swilling of Viking Piss ™? ;) -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2007,18:11    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 25 2007,18:03) Quote (Lou FCD @ May 25 2007,17:43) Both of them were instant screamers, but would quiet down for as long as I held and spoke to them.  Nurses couldn't do a thing with either of them. When I used to babysit my sister's kids and they screamed like that for me, I'd spike their milk with Jack Daniels.  That always quieted them down. I'm ONLY KIDDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Actually, my sister's kids all adore me, since I let them get away with all sorts of things that their parents would never have approved of. Heh heh, Mr. Daniels works well rubbed on teething gums.  That's all I'm gonna say 'bout that. My kids really love their Uncle Kev (my brother), and I suspect it's for very similar reasons... -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2007,08:33    Here is another bone for Arden: Science in Action BBC World Service Story about tonal and atonal languages and the genes who love them. The science behind the story. Sincerely, Paul -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2007,08:39    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 25 2007,14:37) Wow, great link Paul.  Stills, video, the paper, the works. Thanks for that. Your welcome Lou, I have to be up very early,~2:30-3:30am, and I find the BBCWS and Morning Edition far more valuable than any commercially available news.  Btw, do you get your NPR on 91.3? Paul -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

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