Joined: Aug. 2005
|Quote (skeptic @ Dec. 28 2007,13:53)|
|I have to hurry to try to catch up today. First, the original question why theists jump to the conclusion that atheism is religion is what I was trying to get at. When theists think about God then they are naturally invoking emotion and religion. So when an atheist talks about non-God, or no God, the theist just falls back on what they know and viola, religion. You asking a theist what they think of a given situation and they're going to look at it through a theist's eyes.|
So, it's a case of projection?
|Now, as for people having a reason to believe, I don't necessarily agree with that. In many cases I think belief comes first and reason comes second. Here I'm very biased because I only really know one case of faith, mine, and I know I have no reason to believe. Which explains why I think your response was so emotional. Look at from my perspective for a second, imagine God exists. God exists as an independent entity. Whether or not you choose to believe, whether or not you see a purpose in your life, whether or not you feel happy or sad, whether or not you see any evidence makes zero difference whether or not this entity exists. Reality is not shaped by your needs, desires, wants, feelings, etc. By effectively flipping off God and saying I have need for you and I have no use for you becuase I can do it all on my own you have personalized, or attempted to, an independent entity. What if God doesn't care, or worse, isn't even aware of you? This, of course, works both ways for the theist or the atheist.|
You have no reason to believe? Then, why is it an emotional response when others say the same thing, and then follow through with the act?
Also, I don't see Mr. Chris as saying anything even approaching a belief that his needs, etc. shape reality. If anything, he's saying that to the theists, which, no offense, are the ones that are usually guilty of this.
|In that response I read immaturity and hostility. In fact, I believe the hostility is misplaced becuase what you're really upset with is religion, a human construction, and not God, the possible independent entity. For example, describe to me how faith is bondage. Faith has nothing to do with bondage, you're talking about your impression of religion. Anyway, this is just an exercise in seeing through the eyes of a theist.|
I sense that he might be frustrated, but there's nothing wrong with that. I too get frustrated with theists, especially when they try to make bad arguments about what I believe or don't believe. He's not expressing anger at god, just pointing out that he doesn't need belief in a god, especially one that he finds no evidence for.