Joined: April 2006
Thanks to Alan Fox, Jeannot, Tom Ames and Incorygible for enlightening me on this truly fascinating subject. I do sincerely appreciate the effort you have put forth.
Apparently, we have +1 for the "Evos " and -1 for the "Yecs." So for all of you that like to keep score, you have my hearty congratulations! I'm looking forward to having that hard conversation with Dr. Carl Wieland from AIG about why he is a medical doctor and yet made such an elementary mistake. I will post that result here for you all to see, as I believe in rewarding everyone fairly for honest victories, whether they agree with my worldview or not.
I do appreciate all the suggestions to "go out and get a biology book," but the fact is, I do not wish to become a biologist, or a genetic research scientist, or anything similar. We have plenty of those, and thanks to the internet, much information is a few mouse clicks away. Some have said that this gets you incomplete information and you should still go read a book.
Well certainly, in some cases, you should go read a book ... all of Behe's and Denton's work, Dan Brown's novels (albeit with a shaker of salt), and David Barton and Henry Morris titles have certainly been favorites of mine. (here come the rotten tomatoes)
But reading books don't work for everything and I will throw this advice out there for those wise enough to grab it and learn ...
All of my success in life can be traced to what you might call "Highly Focused, Targeted Learning. Let's call it HFTL for short."
While many of my friends got MBA's and now have very stressful jobs working for someone else, I took the alternative approach and applied "HFTL" to the world of business, and as a result, retired last year at age 42. I applied this same strategy to Marriage, Family and Parenting, which I knew nothing about when I got married, and I can tell you that today, after almost 17 years of marriage, it is hard to describe the happiness that my wife and my children bring into my life. I have 5 natural children and they are so much fun that we are adopting a sixth. (we're stopping there though ... I do have limits).
Now I am applying the HFTL strategy to the Creation/Evolution debate (I know ... some of you think there IS NO debate), but I think there is and I intend to sort the fact from the fiction on both sides in short order. I understand it will take some time, but I am not about to subject myself to the laborious and inefficient process of getting an advanced degree in Genetics or such. I think this kind of thing would serve you well if you are trying to teach or get published or get government research grants or other goals, but these are not my goals.
So I say all this to say "thanks, but no thanks" to those of you here who want to give me direction in life. I truly believe it is the Creator God of the Christian Bible (maybe you will prove me wrong .. we'll see) who has guided my footsteps so far and I trust that He will continue to do so. I do know what I am doing and I have clear goals. I think if you stay with me, it will become clear to you what my goals are (actually, they are no secret ... stated clearly on my other thread). It is also no embarrassment to me to lack knowledge in a particular area. For those of you trying to embarrass me or demean me, you are wasting your time. I have very thick skin earned in Air Force barrooms and the harsh realities of the business world. I am very single-minded, passionate, and hard driving toward my goals and no amount of silly comments will deter me from what I am trying to accomplish.
What you WILL accomplish with silly comments is discrediting yourself. I think everyone here wants to be viewed as fair-minded, balanced, rational scientists working hard for the good of humanity. May I submit to you that if the Neo-Darwinist view of Origins is to prevail in Western Civilization and beyond, hurling stupid insults will not help it prevail. You can hurl them if you like. No one will stop you. And selfishly, I could say "Go ahead and hurl insults" because it actually HELPS my cause. But I want to give you a fair chance at promoting your view, and as a minority viewpoint holder on this forum, I can tell you that this approach does NOT help your cause. And any of you that HAVE discredited yourself already by hurling insults, you can easily repair the damage, simply by stopping. I don't plan on embarrassing you back or singling you out and I am happy to hear what you have to say, especially if it is substantive and sounds intelligent.
In any case, my investigations into the ape/human questions have only just begun. Stay tuned for more on Monday!
And in the mean time, I invite you all to hop on over to my "AF Dave's Creator-God Hypothesis" thread and join the fun! It's an interesting (for me anyway) mix of Science, Philosophy, Theology and soon Biblical Studies and who really knows where it will end up!
I'm headed for church, so I'll see you all on Monday! May the God who you may not believe in bless you anyway!
A DILEMMA FOR THE COMMITTED NATURALIST
A Hi-tech alien spaceship lands on earth ... DESIGNED.
A Hi-tech alien rotary motor found in a cell ... NOT DESIGNED.