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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,18:24   

This link was posted over on pharyngula in a thread on Ann Ghoulter, and it was such an interesting essay, I just HAD to share it too.

http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,19:43   

Brilliant!

I am happy to see that this guy could do it, cuz there is no way I could... Not even with double, double-bags.  

Trying to do Coulter would be like trying to do a pile of environmental sludge.  First, why would you, and secondly, EEEEWWWWW! Thirdly, your thing, or wang
(I love that medical talk) could fall off and then, what would you do, once Kristine wised up and dropped Bill like to total loser that he is?

Funny stuff though!

The Adam's Apple commment was brilliant!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,19:55   

Funny that she bothers you guys so much...I guess you just don't understand her humor.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,21:11   

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Funny that she bothers you guys so much...I guess you just don't understand her humor.

gee, I guess not...

why don't you explain it to us, there, skeptic?

or maybe you could have Here0isreal explain it to us, after all, he has a great sense of humor:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....p=52058

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,22:19   

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Funny that she bothers you guys so much...I guess you just don't understand her humor.

You think she's funny? I think she's a misanthropic attention whore who will say anything, no matter how hateful, in a pathetic attempt to stay in the spotlight. But that's just me.

Even so, the linked "story" isn't much different than some of the vile crap Coulter spews. Coulter may be despicable, but that's no reason to stoop to her level.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,23:00   

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But that's just me.


no not just you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,23:03   

Oh, Skeptic is Ann's sock-puppet, that's all.  Methinks the lady doth protest too much. :D

Turn about, fair play, Skeptic. You called me one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2007,23:15   

Quote (qetzal @ Mar. 03 2007,20:19)
 
Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 03 2007,19:55)
Even so, the linked "story" isn't much different than some of the vile crap Coulter spews. Coulter may be despicable, but that's no reason to stoop to her level.

There's a difference: Macuno is actually funny. Coulter's been fired for not being funny.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,00:06   

Ann Coulter, Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Rock, George Carlin ( especially George Carlin), they're all the same.  I just find it amazing that people take Ann seriously enough to be offended.  Hey, but maybe that's just me. (chuckle)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,00:38   

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Hey, but maybe that's just me.


yup, that's indeed JUST YOU.  Seriously, I can't recall ever hearing someone suggest that Coulter was funny before.

anybody else?

I suppose you think "Godless" was written as a "divine comedy"?

I can only assume the point you are trying (but failing miserably) to make is that nobody should take Coulter seriously?

that would be great if:

one, she actually wrote her books as intentional humor

and

two, the people who read them read them as humor, instead of thinking of her as the next great media representative of the right.

so, charitably, I'm giving you the opportunity to clarify and say you are pushing for nobody to take her seriously, in which case, you're talking to the wrong crowd.  

Then I'd add, sure, I'd love to be able to ignore all the anti-science idiots like limbaugh, coulter, chopra, robertson, egnor, the entire DI, george bush, and the entire evangelical xian right.

too bad there's so many of them.

If not, then I can only add this bit to the growing list of your idiocies posted on this board.

when you say things like this, though:

 
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Ann Coulter, Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Rock, George Carlin ( especially George Carlin), they're all the same.


I'm leaning towards it just being a case of you being your usual idiotic self.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,00:59   

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Ann Coulter, Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Rock, George Carlin ( especially George Carlin), they're all the same.  I just find it amazing that people take Ann seriously enough to be offended.  Hey, but maybe that's just me. (chuckle)

Coulter doesn't offend me. I think she's pitiful. Literally.

I feel the same way about people who somehow think Coulter is insightful, or even (amazingly) funny. It takes a certain smallness and meanness of spirit to think that the bile Coulter spews is funny.

I'm truly sorry for you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,06:50   

Speaking of the Harpy...

The latest slime to ooze from her pig-pleaser:

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“I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I’m - so, kind of at an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards, so I think I’ll just conclude here and take your questions,” said Coulter, whose comment was followed by applause.


Seems to me she's a fine and accurate spokesperson for the right.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,07:14   

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Funny that she bothers you guys so much...I guess you just don't understand her humor.

Maybe she should turn to "kike" and "nigger" jokes . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,09:12   

What a sheltered world you people must live in.  I suggest you listen to XM radio comedy for about 1/2 an hour and you'll realize that none of this is shocking and all of it is intentional.

I view Ann in the same way I looked at Madonna in the eighties and nineties.  I couldn't stand a single thing she did but I had to admit that the woman was a friggin genius.  She knew exactly who to be at exactly the right time and made millions doing it.

Now, YOU may think Ann is not funny but she's made millions off of people who do.  I tend to think that her comedy is the actual reaction she gets.  I've never read one of her books but when she talks about the themes I laugh because I know it's just going to drive certain people crazy.  And you can bet I'm laughing now because AGAIN she's successful.  Actually, I think it's kind of creative because I don't think anyone else has been able to use Isiah Washington's situation productively.

But to Ichy's point, I don't beleive anyone should take her seriously, just doing so is bound to give you an ulcer because she is all about shock and she's going to say things that are intended to shock and offend and then people like me will laugh at you for being offended.

I was able to ignore Madonna for twenty years, you guys should have no trouble ignoring Ann.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,09:58   

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Now, YOU may think Ann is not funny but she's made millions off of people who do.

No, she makes millions because people think she is right and that she has good ideas.

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I was able to ignore Madonna for twenty years, you guys should have no trouble ignoring Ann.


Except Madonna didn't inspire hatred, bigotry, ignorance, etc.

If other people thought she was a joke too, then it would be more palatable, but you seem to be the only one in on it.  She makes appearances on political shows for her political "acumen," not for her comedy stylings.  The truth is that she does try to shock and awe, and she does try to joke, but she most likely means at least most of what she says.  That's not comedy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:06   

Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 04 2007,00:06)
Ann Coulter, Whoopi Goldberg, Chris Rock, George Carlin ( especially George Carlin), they're all the same.  I just find it amazing that people take Ann seriously enough to be offended.  Hey, but maybe that's just me. (chuckle)

Yes, it is 'just you'.

Skeptic, you're a Christian, right? May I ask how you reconcile that with her frequent 'jokes' about murdering people who displease conservatives, such as nonconservative Supreme Court judges?

Last I heard, Goldberg, Rock, and Carlin didn't do that.

You know, since you 'understand her humor' and all...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:38   

I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:40   

GCT and Arden,
First I fully believe that Whoopi believes everything she says and is still trying to be funny and I've heard George Carlin advocate the elimination of many different groups of people to no outrage.  As far as reconciling her statements, I don't have to because I don't support them or take them seriously.  As far as I'm concerned, they're nonsense and the comedy I find is not in the comments themselves but the reaction they generate.  You guys (and gals) are being played like a fiddle and that's what is funny.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:43   

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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

No, Bachem Macuno thinks so, too.

;-)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:48   

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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

No, Bachem Macuno thinks so, too.

;-)

LOL
touche :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,15:53   

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GCT and Arden,
First I fully believe that Whoopi believes everything she says and is still trying to be funny and I've heard George Carlin advocate the elimination of many different groups of people to no outrage.  As far as reconciling her statements, I don't have to because I don't support them or take them seriously.  As far as I'm concerned, they're nonsense and the comedy I find is not in the comments themselves but the reaction they generate.  You guys (and gals) are being played like a fiddle and that's what is funny.

Please point out where Whoopi Goldberg has advocated the murder of Supreme Court justices, or en masse murder of people of religions she dislikes.

"I don't get why you Jews get all UPSET by Julius Streicher! Don't you see he's just trying to be FUNNY? I guess you just don't get his humor. You see, when he talks about Jewish bloodsuckers destroying the nation, he's playing you guys like a fiddle! That's what's so funny! Why can't you guys lighten up?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,16:39   

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What a sheltered world you people must live in.


perfect projection.

I rather suspect you to be little more than a cubicle rat.

 
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She knew exactly who to be at exactly the right time and made millions doing it.


ahh, the modern american phallacy (not a misspelling):

rich=intelligent.

man, you really ARE an idiot.  How's that working out for you?  I hear even an idiot can become president these days, so how far have you managed to take your learning disability?

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You guys (and gals) are being played like a fiddle and that's what is funny.


yeah, it's just hilarious when a student comes up to me and says he's read Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh's books and why am I teaching him all these things that are obviously wrong based on these great books these wonderful xian people have written.

whoo boy! yeah, that's just sooo funny.

holy crap, talk about sheltered.  you act as though you live in a town where you're the only inhabitant, and you've NEVER bothered to watch anything but saturday morning cartoons on TV.

look dude, you're PART of the problem if you don't recognize the damage these people are causing by reinforcing misinformation and anti-science.

seriously, you're just as big a part of the problem as the people who read Coulter as if she were speaking gospel truth (pun intended).

the fact that you are unable or unwilling to recognize that is truly sad.

really, you should just keep your ingorant mouth shut; it would do you far better in standard conversation.

basically, you're either gonna end up pissing off a fundy who completely agrees with what Coulter says, or you're gonna piss off folks like us who DO realize the damage this kind of literature causes in the fight for preseving good science.

so, the audience of your intended statement must be awfully narrow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,17:15   

Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 04 2007,16:40)
As far as reconciling her statements, I don't have to because I don't support them or take them seriously.  As far as I'm concerned, they're nonsense and the comedy I find is not in the comments themselves but the reaction they generate.  You guys (and gals) are being played like a fiddle and that's what is funny.

First off, what Ichy said.

Second, yes, you should reconcile, because it's not your thoughts on her statements that are being questioned.

Third, I don't take her statements seriously either.  I take their effect on a gullible public seriously.  Her statements are outrageous to people who know the schtick, but so many people out there don't.  It's hatred and bigotry, even if you find humor in that.  Yes, she's playing games, but there are real consequences to those games she plays and real people who are falling for her words, which is inspiring hatred.  I wish I could be as cavalier about it as you, but there's too many idiots out there that think she's right.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,17:31   

Not only is most of Ichy's rant delusional but it and GCT'c response fall into the sterotypical liberal elitist trap, namely that you're the only smart people in the room and the only voices that deserve to be heard.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,17:40   

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Not only is most of Ichy's rant delusional but it and GCT'c response fall into the sterotypical liberal elitist trap, namely that you're the only smart people in the room and the only voices that deserve to be heard.

Translated = "I can't come up with good answers to any of your comments, so I'll weasel out of doing so by pretending to be superior to everyone else in the room".

Now, who's an 'elitist'? I forget...

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,17:50   

Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 04 2007,15:31)
Not only is most of Ichy's rant delusional but it and GCT'c response fall into the sterotypical liberal elitist trap, namely that you're the only smart people in the room and the only voices that deserve to be heard.

Um, are you now arguing that Coulter has something worthwhile to say, rather than just funny chain-jerking? Or are you whining that you have a "voice that deserves to be heard" whilst saying absolutely nothing?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,18:05   

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Or are you whining that you have a "voice that deserves to be heard" whilst saying absolutely nothing?


the latter.  It's essentially the only thing he has ever said since the very first day he came and posted his screed about how the ToE needs revision.

right now, skeptic IS part of the problem.  I hope the reason he hangs around here is to learn enough to eventually fix that, but it's been how long now?  

...and he still spouts ignorant drivel like this.

*shakes head*

skeptic, there are literally hundreds of sites dealing with the damage Coulter's writings cause, but since this site deals more specifically with anti-evolution claims, you can at least start with PZ's analysis here:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng...._ev.php

surely, only you can cure your own #### ignorance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,18:05   

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namely that you're the only smart people in the room and the only voices that deserve to be heard.

Standing in a room with you and Coulter, that's a pretty fair statement.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,18:55   

Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 04 2007,18:31)
Not only is most of Ichy's rant delusional but it and GCT'c response fall into the sterotypical liberal elitist trap, namely that you're the only smart people in the room and the only voices that deserve to be heard.

Perhaps you should pull your head out and actually read what has been said.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:05   

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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

(s)he has an adams apple



and ET like flipper hands..



WTF? if that a transplanted foot or something?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:09   

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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

I'd do her.

And within a few weeks, she'd be quoting from the Communist Manifesto.   ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2007,20:05)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 04 2007,15:38)
I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

(s)he has an adams apple



and ET like flipper hands..



WTF? if that a transplanted foot or something?

You haters. M2F trannies need love too.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:15   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 04 2007,19:09)
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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

I'd do her.

And within a few weeks, she'd be quoting from the Communist Manifesto.   ;)

I consider brainy to be attractive. And personality counts a lot. For that reason, I think Coulter is physically repulsive.

Normally, it wouldn't matter, except that part of her shtick is to dress like a Times Square hooker. So I daresay she invites these kind of comments.

But hey, there are millions of wingnuts who think she's 'sexy', so what do I know?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:24   

Problem - I can't be part of the problem because there is no problem.  One consequence of freedom of speech is that anyone has the right to say what they please and accept the results of said speech, in her case that result is money and in your case, Ichy, it's your demostration of intolerance.

As far as damage that her speech has caused, I think we're going to need to show some documented proof on this one.  Somebody step up and provide some evidence beyond that she may have hurt someone's feelings or perverted the "stupid majority" of fly over country.

Don't try damaging science because I seriously doubt if anything she says will influence any paper that's published this year or any other in any scientific journal.  I may be generalizing here but until someone proves otherwise I feel very comfortable with this statement.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:25   

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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

(s)he has an adams apple



and ET like flipper hands..



WTF? if that a transplanted foot or something?

actually, the brain is the sexiest part of a human IMO, and that makes her just about the ugliest thing related to humans on the planet as far as I'm concerned.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:28   

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Problem - I can't be part of the problem because there is no problem.  One consequence of freedom of speech is that anyone has the right to say what they please and accept the results of said speech, in her case that result is money and in your case, Ichy, it's your demostration of intolerance.

I've seen this rhetorical device from other not-very-bright wingnuts when backed into a corner: "You disagree with X's statements, why do you liberals all oppose free speech!?!?"

I'd tell Skeptic to try harder, but I suspect this is the best he can do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:28   

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Problem - I can't be part of the problem because there is no problem


which is exactly why you are part of the problem.

ignorance is strength, am I  right there, ostrich boy?

   
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Don't try damaging science because I seriously doubt if anything she says will influence any paper that's published this year or any other in any scientific journal.


in short order:

-her popularization of idiocy helps gets idiots like GW elected
-the same provides self-reinforcement for people who ARE anti-science, as has already been pointed out
-provides "ammunition" for the same anti-science people, who, exactly like they do with Rush Limbaugh, then proceed to tell their representatives on school boards and in congress how "wrong" the scientists are.

-more indirect:

-the influence of ignorati causes a net (per capita)decrease in funding for basic research, you can friggin read the annual report of NSF, and AAAS if you don't believe me
-results in assinine political decisions on medical research, like stem cells, hpv vaccinations, and dozens of other things you can easily look up in the news for the last 5 years or so.

god, are you really that stupid?

amazing.

even simpler, for your tired brain:

if her book is not pure comedy, then the mere fact that it has been so popular and sold so well MUST mean that the people perusing it buy what she is selling.  Those people then are empowered to write their congresscritters with the same, tired arguments, that said congresscritters usually take at face value themselves (after all, if this is what the majority of their consituents believe...).

why is it that you hang around here again?

oh, that's right, it's to point out OUR intolerance of idiots like yourself.

good job.

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I'd tell Skeptic to try harder, but I suspect this is the best he can do.


no need to suspect it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,19:46   

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One consequence of freedom of speech is that anyone has the right to say what they please and accept the results of said speech

Why'd the US hang Julius Streicher, again . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,20:21   

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One consequence of freedom of speech is that anyone has the right to say what they please and accept the results of said speech

Why'd the US hang Julius Streicher, again . . . . . ?

dead on, Lenny.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,20:50   

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Problem - I can't be part of the problem because there is no problem.  One consequence of freedom of speech is that anyone has the right to say what they please and accept the results of said speech, in her case that result is money and in your case, Ichy, it's your demostration of intolerance.

And the consequence of stupid, hateful speech is ridicule and scorn, which is what this thread is about. Why do you only decry the reaction to rank idiocy, rather than the idiocy itself? This isn't a free speech issue. Nobody's argued on this thread that Coulter shouldn't be allowed to speak her mind. But I will argue that no one should listen to her, at least not with the purpose of gaining insight into the topic of her rants (the rants themselves may give valuable information about current conservative political strategy, I suppose).

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Don't try damaging science because I seriously doubt if anything she says will influence any paper that's published this year or any other in any scientific journal.  I may be generalizing here but until someone proves otherwise I feel very comfortable with this statement.

Everything else has been answered, so I won't recreate the wheel, and this has mostly been answered too, but I did want to say one thing.

What happens when Coulter's anti-science tirades filter down into the next generation?  When the future scientific leaders of tomorrow are lied to and told that evolution is wrong and that Creationism is scientific?  Does that not hurt science?  How naive of you to think that this country and science can not be hurt by attacks of this nature.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,22:06   

Angry, I must disagree.  The entire theme of this thread is that she shouldn't be allowed to speak, period!  If the point was that no one should listen, which is what I am saying, then it should start right here and this thread would not exist.  There should have been no response from any gay advocacy groups or Howard Dean or Ted Kennedy.  All that does is add fuel to the fire.  If they wanted to treat this comment with the context it deserved than someone should have called Micheal Richards and asked him for his comment but not a sitting US Senator.

Ichy, you're just looking for someone to blame.  Valid or no, not a single one of those issues have been influenced in the least by Ann Coulter.  Ann is preaching to the choir not driving public opinion.  She just says what a segment of the population wants to hear.  Her success stems from the fact that she knows what they want to hear and can package it appropriately.  If you want to blame someone you'd better start looking at the 30+ million people who think this way.  I honestly have no idea how big this segment is but you've got to do a #### of a better job convincing millions to change their way of thinking then to just kill the messenger.

  
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Angry, I must disagree.  The entire theme of this thread is that she shouldn't be allowed to speak, period!  If the point was that no one should listen, which is what I am saying, then it should start right here and this thread would not exist.  There should have been no response from any gay advocacy groups or Howard Dean or Ted Kennedy.  All that does is add fuel to the fire.  If they wanted to treat this comment with the context it deserved than someone should have called Micheal Richards and asked him for his comment but not a sitting US Senator.

Septic,
Please supply the quote which you believe implies that there is someone here who believes Coulter's speech should be censored. I say that no one should listen to Coulter, but since some do, there is legitimate reason to vocally and vehemently oppose her. So it's now your position that there should never be any replies to political speech, so long as it's kind of funny? You're getting dangerously close to "free speech for me but not for thee."

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If you want to blame someone you'd better start looking at the 30+ million people who think this way.  I honestly have no idea how big this segment is but you've got to do a #### of a better job convincing millions to change their way of thinking then to just kill the messenger.
Yeah, convince them otherwise by ignoring the messenger. Great plan! I nominate you for head of the RNC.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,22:19   

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Angry, I must disagree.  The entire theme of this thread is that she shouldn't be allowed to speak, period!

You never do get tired of saying idiotic things, do you? Where did anyone, anywhere in this thread say that Coulter shouldn't be allowed to say the things she does?

Do you understand the difference between "Coulter is wrong to say those things," and "Coulter shouldn't be allowed to say those things?" I'm surprised you have such difficulty in comprehension, you being a biochemist and all.*

*Footnote for the comprehension challenged: This sentence is sarcasm. I'm not really surprised at all.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,22:26   

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Ann is preaching to the choir not driving public opinion


you don't understand the concept of reinforcement, either.

you keep seeming to think this is some liberal/conservative thing, for some reason, when it's good science vs. anti-science.

if you'd get out once in a while, you'd actually see just how much the kind of diatribe written by Coulter (and Wells, and Limbaugh, and Luskin, and Robertson, and Falwell) DOES influence people's thinking on these issues.

but then, being obtuse is your strongpoint, and evidence that challenges your ignorance is ignored.

hence, when I mentioned having students using Coulter (and some Limbaugh, even) as references, you chose to ignore that.

I doubt you even KNOW who lenny was referring to, or why.

IGNORANT.

*klunk*

gettin' that through your thick skull yet?

gees, it's not like you haven't been shown to be ignorant before, or anything.

I've given you any number of occassions and references to fix that, and you just keep preferring to proceed from your own ignorance.

this IS what creationists do, and you shouldn't wonder why i don't suffer fools like you gladly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2007,22:29   

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Yeah, convince them otherwise by ignoring the messenger. Great plan! I nominate you for head of the RNC.


I nominate him for the Neville Chamberlain award.

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Do you understand the difference between "Coulter is wrong to say those things," and "Coulter shouldn't be allowed to say those things?" I'm surprised you have such difficulty in comprehension, you being a biochemist and all.*


not only is he unable to differentiate that, but of course HE has never had to spend hours having to debunk the crap spewed by the likes of Coulter or Wells to anybody before (most likely because he agrees with a lot of what they say, given the content of his posts in his thread on the ToE - which he has never disavowed, even after all this time)

again, this is why leading with ignorance as a strongpoint is a bad thing, let alone refusing to alleviate that ignorance, simply because someone calls you an idiot for refusing to do so.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,00:04   

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The entire theme of this thread is that she shouldn't be allowed to speak, period!  


Skeptic, you are not bright.

The thread here is that Ann is a sociopathic scumbag for saying these things. You commit the common wingnut fallacy of assuming this is another example of 'liberals opposing free speech'. I'm starting to think you really believe this, which is, um, pathetic.

 
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There should have been no response from any gay advocacy groups or Howard Dean or Ted Kennedy.  All that does is add fuel to the fire.  If they wanted to treat this comment with the context it deserved than someone should have called Micheal Richards and asked him for his comment but not a sitting US Senator.


Now you're babbling.

 
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Ann Coulter.  Ann is preaching to the choir not driving public opinion.


So now your premise is that people have no influence on others by what they say.

Have any, uh, PROOF for that bizarre sentiment?

 
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She just says what a segment of the population wants to hear.  Her success stems from the fact that she knows what they want to hear and can package it appropriately.


Your first nonstupid comment. Bravo.

 
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If you want to blame someone you'd better start looking at the 30+ million people who think this way.


We do blame them. But as Ann is the one who inspires them, I can't imagine why shouldn't 'blame' her too.

 
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I  honestly have no idea how big this segment is but you've got to do a #### of a better job convincing millions to change their way of thinking then to just kill the messenger.


Why do you think we've 'killed the messenger'?

BTW, you never did provide me with the citation showing where Whoopi Goldberg called for the murder of judges. Since you evidently find that 'funny', I'd think you'd be able to help me out there.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,00:30   

I find it quite bizarre that if you're Skeptic, disagreeing with Ann Coulter makes one 'intolerant', but agreeing with her somehow does not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,00:31   

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but agreeing with her somehow does not.



yeah, bizarre, ain't it?

OTOH, it's quite similar to exactly the kind of thing I hear her fans say.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,07:45   

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Angry, I must disagree.  The entire theme of this thread is that she shouldn't be allowed to speak, period!

I thought this thread was about Ann being F'ed in the A!...  HARD.

Skeptic,
If I disagree with what someone says, does that mean if I state my disagreement I'm "being played like a fiddle"?

WTF?

If Ann was performing at the local Elk's lodge with a cable feed on community access that's one thing.  When she gets interviewed by (inter)national broadcasters that's an entirely different arena.  In the first case, if you react to what's said you are a bit knee-jerk since the chosen audience is the only one targetted.  In the second case the audience is EVERYONE and EVERYONE IS TARGETTED.  Including the ideas that Ann is presenting.  The psychophants will of course agree.  But the message is sent to not only reinforce the psychophants but to SWAY THE FENCE-SITTERS.  Playing to a (inter)national audience is politics anc culture war pure and simple.  The fact that she spews lies and deception (a valid political strategy) means she should be publically called on this and demanded to retract or correct her lies (a valid political strategic response).  

You are just sitting on the fence, chuckling, as you see the activity going on around you.  I hope you enjoy watching the events of the world unfold in front of you knowing that you have taken not one stance, one step, one action to even TRY and imprint your personal attitude on these events.  Glory in the greatness of others because you haven't attempted to create anything yourself.

  
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I guess that I am the only one here that finds Anne Coulter sexually atractive then?

I'd do her.

And within a few weeks, she'd be quoting from the Communist Manifesto.   ;)

Is that the best you think you could do? Jaysus F.C. there buddy, you can do better than that. Get her to start spouting Dawkins and then you might have something.

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If you want to blame someone you'd better start looking at the 30+ million people who think this way.  I honestly have no idea how big this segment is...


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,15:20   

hey, BWE-

is that a Jesus ashtray ya got there, buddy?

I bet it's an actual picture of real mechandise, too.

please tell me you found it on a religious merchandise website?

...and congrats on the big 5-0.

ahh, found it.  yes, very nice.

http://www.shopexit9.com/e9_stor....ocktail

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,16:48   

Oooookay lemme get this straight...

sceptic, do you really think that Coulter is being satirical? Like, I dunno, a female Stephen Colbert?

Do you actuallly believe that? Yes or no.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:45   

I believe that Coulter is purposely being mean just to make people mad.  She does not believe that Edwards is gay it's just an opportunity to use a taboo term.  There's very little connection between Edwards and being gay, probably none, but that term is in the news these days so she used it.  Nothing more than that.  By reading anything more into it and getting offended is where the humor comes in.

I think Whoopi actually advocated killing Bush but I'd have to check on that but I do distinctly remember Carlin doing an entire routine on the members of society that needed to be killed for the betterment of humanity.  This list included the homeless, insane, convicts and politicians.  There's no doubt that Carlin didn't actually want anyone to go out to kill these people and the same can be said for the Supreme Court Justices that Coulter identified.  To believe anything other than that is just simple.

And, Ichy...I would bet that your students throw that stuff in your face just because you can not handle it emotionally.  You might really need to consider therapy to handle that anger issue of yours

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,17:51   

so you compare carlin's INTENDED comic routine, to the claptrap that coulter spews in all seriousness?

have you EVER heard her say she wasn't serious about the stuff she writes in her books (which is what we're talking about here)?

of course you haven't.

you're so off base here, it's entirely comical in and of itself.

 
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And, Ichy...I would bet that your students throw that stuff in your face just because you can not handle it emotionally.  


then you'd be wrong, again, and as usual.

gees, some guys just can't figure out when they are being utterly idiotic.

You do realize, that the more you post here, the more you are digging yourself into a hole, right?

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You might really need to consider therapy to handle that anger issue of yours


ever consider that maybe you are projecting?  that the reason you are unable to maintain a coherent argument is because you know we're right, and it makes you mad that we are making you look so stupid?

well, technically, you're doing as good a job at making yourself look stupid as any of us, so credit where credit is due.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,18:36   

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You might really need to consider therapy to handle that anger issue of yours


ever consider that maybe you are projecting?  that the reason you are unable to maintain a coherent argument is because you know we're right, and it makes you mad that we are making you look so stupid?

well, technically, you're doing as good a job at making yourself look stupid as any of us, so credit where credit is due.

He's also projecting for Coulter.  Coulter is so hateful that when we speak out against her, then we must also be hateful and angry.  It's so cliche.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,19:18   

skeptic reminds me of a quote from the movie "Spawn", where clowny tells an incredulous (about his death) spawn:

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Boy you were just tied to that track and that stupid train just kept runnin' over ya didn't it? Just runnin' over you.


what's left to be said?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,19:50   

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gees, some guys just can't figure out when they are being utterly idiotic.

For once I agree with you entirely...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,20:02   

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gees, some guys just can't figure out when they are being utterly idiotic.

For once I agree with you entirely...

You agree that you are being an idiot?  Great.  Case closed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,20:12   

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I believe that Coulter is purposely being mean just to make people mad.  She does not believe that Edwards is gay it's just an opportunity to use a taboo term.  There's very little connection between Edwards and being gay, probably none, but that term is in the news these days so she used it.  Nothing more than that.  By reading anything more into it and getting offended is where the humor comes in.

I think Whoopi actually advocated killing Bush but I'd have to check on that but I do distinctly remember Carlin doing an entire routine on the members of society that needed to be killed for the betterment of humanity.  This list included the homeless, insane, convicts and politicians.  There's no doubt that Carlin didn't actually want anyone to go out to kill these people and the same can be said for the Supreme Court Justices that Coulter identified.  To believe anything other than that is just simple.

And, Ichy...I would bet that your students throw that stuff in your face just because you can not handle it emotionally.  You might really need to consider therapy to handle that anger issue of yours

So what is your answer, yes or no? Deliberarely trying to provoke is one thing, putting on an act is another. And I'm talking (as you were, until a while ago) about her overall views, not a specific claim she made.

Is she putting on an act about her ridiculous beliefs, in your opinion?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,20:26   

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gees, some guys just can't figure out when they are being utterly idiotic.

For once I agree with you entirely...

are we back in 3rd grade?

I know u r, butt wut am I?

neener neener.

like i said, dude, deeper and deeper.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2007,21:37   

Faid, that's actually a very interesting question.  I think to a certain extent she has to identify with some of what she is saying to be convincing and to be able to package it successfully she has to be able to identify with her audience.  As far as literally believing what she herself is saying, i would say no.  I don't know her so I can only say this based upon her methods.  She, in my opinion, pushes the envelope even when it is not necessary.  She goes for maximum shock value all the time and it's hard for me to imagine that someone could literally be speaking her mind and always be that successful in her intention.  It would be like Stephan King writing great horror on the fly without editing.  It short I would say everything she does is calculated but to be fair this is just MY guess.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,02:06   

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Is she putting on an act about her ridiculous beliefs, in your opinion?

Due to this thread I watched quite a few youtube vids of Coulter over the weekend and I can't tell for certain if she is serious or not. I do suspect that some of her rants are for theatrical effect though.

Why is she classed as a political authority over there (USA) BTW?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,06:06   

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Is she putting on an act about her ridiculous beliefs, in your opinion?

Due to this thread I watched quite a few youtube vids of Coulter over the weekend and I can't tell for certain if she is serious or not. I do suspect that some of her rants are for theatrical effect though.

Why is she classed as a political authority over there (USA) BTW?

I think a website announcing her plan to run in '08 as a Republican would be fun. Throw it out there and see what happens....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,10:57   

There are some rather good descriptions of Ann Coulter at Urban Dictionary.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,15:18   

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Due to this thread I watched quite a few youtube vids of Coulter over the weekend and I can't tell for certain if she is serious or not. I do suspect that some of her rants are for theatrical effect though.


the real point is, does it really matter what her actual motivations are?

the only thing that matters are the things she writes.

the rubes that buy into her drivel wouldn't believe you even if you had her on record saying it was mostly just for show; they would go ahead and use her arguments anyway.  

example:

Ted Haggard.

does it matter to the rubes that he was a fraud?

fuck no.

demented fuckwit writes:

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hard for me to imagine that someone could literally be speaking her mind and always be that successful in her intention


not that it's hard to understand your inability to conceptualize, but that would be like saying it's hard to believe people like Kent Hovind really believe what they say.

really, you have your head wedged so far up your own ass it's remarkable you are able to function.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,17:24   

Cut out the insults.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,18:01   

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Cut out the insults.

Of who . . . Skeptic, or Ann Coulter?


I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,18:19   

While I appreciate the thought, Steve, it doesn't bother me in the least.  I could say a lot of things but I'll let it go at that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,20:24   

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What a sheltered world you people must live in.  

Oh, yeah? You should hear the shit I listen to on the bus/train to and from work/school. Crap, I've seen weapons and everything.

Coulter and people like her are most guilty, in my view, or cornballism - pretending to be "blue collar" (or what they think is blue collar - Bill O'Reilly think it's his dad having been an accountant), wallowing in trash culture (because for them it's "exotic," when for some of us it ain't), and cutting loose (like the uptight little WASPs they are) with naughty words and jokes!

Who's has a sheltered life? Sure wasn't me, honey, sure wasn't me. There's a phrase I've learned recently - "cultural capital" - and I didn't have it growing up, no siree!

You haven't had a sheltered life when you wish for one - and people like Ann have had one when they parade their blue collah "credentials" to the very people they wouldn't give the time of day to in the lobby.

She's about as funny and attractive as Michael Jackson before he started really spiralling, too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2007,21:59   

What I'm frankly baffled by is why so many people claiming to be 'Christians' so reliably rush to defend a woman whose entire career seems to consist of publicly calling liberals 'faggots' and fantasizing about killing liberals and Muslims.

(Who, incidentally, claims to be a 'Christian' herself.)

Swell religion, there.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,05:50   

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I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

(grin)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,06:39   

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I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

(grin)

Jebus H, Rev.   Talk about taking one for the team...

Aw come on Lou, you of all people.

WWJD with DT? <snicker>

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,07:00   

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I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

(grin)

Jebus H, Rev.   Talk about taking one for the team...

Buy me lots of beers, and I'd take on Denyse, too.

LOTS of beers.

LOTS AND LOTS.

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Buy me lots of beers, and I'd take on Denyse, too.

LOTS of beers.

LOTS AND LOTS.

;)

re:  Denyse....(also file under beastiality)

I think it's time for an intervention!

No way in #### you could EVER drink her pretty with beer!  O'Leary being Irish and all, I posit that one of her female ancestors is what must have led to the invention of Jameson's, and driven that poor James Joyce guy to dable in sampling the "other side", if you know what I mean...

Denyse is soooo bad, that she wasn't just hit with an ugly stick, she must have had the #### tree fall on her.

Denyse and Ugly jokes...just too easy

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There is widespread speculation our beloved Ann has Marfan's Syndrome. If so, that's one thing she has in common with Abraham Lincoln and, possibly Osama Bin Laden. Tho it would be the only thing she has in common with Lincoln.

This would explain the horselike face and the feet for hands.

The good news is, Marfan's Syndrome is sometimes life shortening.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,11:40   

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I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

(grin)

Jebus H, Rev.   Talk about taking one for the team...

Buy me lots of beers, and I'd take on Denyse, too.

LOTS of beers.

LOTS AND LOTS.

;)

That is just wrong on so many levels...

I could never, not in a million years, in good (or even bad) conscience ask you to do that, so to speak.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,11:43   

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Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 06 2007,18:01)
I don't care what y'all say --- I'd still do her.  She'd be a bleeding-heart liberal within a week, and be quoting Herr Doktor Marx within two weeks.

Ever heard of a "bedroom conversion" . . . . . . ?

(grin)

Jebus H, Rev.   Talk about taking one for the team...

Aw come on Lou, you of all people.

WWJD with DT? <snicker>

Hey, we may be easy, but even we have some standards!

EDIT TO ADD:  Kate just stormed out yelling.  I didn't catch it all, but it had something to do with plane tickets, kangaroos, forehead tattoos and the end of her boot.

You might want to consider an emergency vacation to Siberia or something.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,13:02   

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I believe that Coulter is purposely being mean just to make people mad.  She does not believe that Edwards is gay it's just an opportunity to use a taboo term.  There's very little connection between Edwards and being gay, probably none, but that term is in the news these days so she used it.  Nothing more than that.  By reading anything more into it and getting offended is where the humor comes in.

Look, the point is, if the people around this woman really cared about her, they would set some boundaries for her, because she's becoming a freak show just like Michael Jackson. Stating that one is sick of this kind of discourse and behavior is at least a start.

I'm tired of the recriminations. I'm dog-tired of this sniping. I grew up among people who just sniped at each other - little kids who just hurled the same language that Coulter does (news flash! She's not original!) and sneered at everything, and had no curiosity, and are now drinking themselves to death in that stupid small town I came from. It's not funny, and it's not glamorous, and it's all related to the anti-intellectual atmosphere pervading this country.

I left my small town, only to find the same atmosphere all over America. It's time somebody called everyone on it. We're acting like a nation of pre-teens.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,13:36   

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I believe that Coulter is purposely being mean just to make people mad.  She does not believe that Edwards is gay it's just an opportunity to use a taboo term.  There's very little connection between Edwards and being gay, probably none, but that term is in the news these days so she used it.  Nothing more than that.  By reading anything more into it and getting offended is where the humor comes in.

Look, the point is, if the people around this woman really cared about her, they would set some boundaries for her, because she's becoming a freak show just like Michael Jackson. Stating that one is sick of this kind of discourse and behavior is at least a start.

I'm tired of the recriminations. I'm dog-tired of this sniping. I grew up among people who just sniped at each other - little kids who just hurled the same language that Coulter does (news flash! She's not original!) and sneered at everything, and had no curiosity, and are now drinking themselves to death in that stupid small town I came from. It's not funny, and it's not glamorous, and it's all related to the anti-intellectual atmosphere pervading this country.

I left my small town, only to find the same atmosphere all over America. It's time somebody called everyone on it. We're acting like a nation of pre-teens.

I read some books years ago about the effect of television on culture. One such book was Twitchell's
Carnival Culture.

"Twitchell is on to something when he argues that democracy has canonized a new culture as, driven by the will of the majority, books have given ways to movies, which in turn have been usurped by TV in a canon he describes as 'carnival culture.'. . . Twitchell shows that the mass media, a forum for our common concerns and anxieties, have made possible the ascent of the tastes of the young and the unsophisticated to cultural dominance."
—Publishers Weekly

Kind of sounds like your complaints.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,13:38   

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I believe that Coulter is purposely being mean just to make people mad.  She does not believe that Edwards is gay it's just an opportunity to use a taboo term.  There's very little connection between Edwards and being gay, probably none, but that term is in the news these days so she used it.  Nothing more than that.  By reading anything more into it and getting offended is where the humor comes in.

Look, the point is, if the people around this woman really cared about her, they would set some boundaries for her, because she's becoming a freak show just like Michael Jackson. Stating that one is sick of this kind of discourse and behavior is at least a start.

I'm tired of the recriminations. I'm dog-tired of this sniping. I grew up among people who just sniped at each other - little kids who just hurled the same language that Coulter does (news flash! She's not original!) and sneered at everything, and had no curiosity, and are now drinking themselves to death in that stupid small town I came from. It's not funny, and it's not glamorous, and it's all related to the anti-intellectual atmosphere pervading this country.

I left my small town, only to find the same atmosphere all over America. It's time somebody called everyone on it. We're acting like a nation of pre-teens.



Huh-Huh-Huh. She said 'discourse'.  Huh-Huh-Huh.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,13:41   

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I left my small town, only to find the same atmosphere all over America. It's time somebody called everyone on it. We're acting like a nation of pre-teens.

You know, I quite like those people that you seem to dislike.

I much prefered the company of the small town hard working citizens of the USA to the preening large city sophisticates. Maybe that says something bad about me (I dunno).

BTW, that is only a generalisation. It doesn't apply on the individual level.

ST. Louis was a bit of an exception. I loved the French quarter with all it's micro brewery pubs. Oh, and Memphis' Beal street was pretty damngood too.

Whoops! Sorry, way off topic there. And I forgot the gasslamp area of San Diego. Another excelent place.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,14:04   

One has to remember, Coulter is professional pundit.  She has to keep her name in the press or be forgotten.

There are so many right-wing pundits competing for time on the Faux News channel that unless she distinguishes herself from the mealy pack, she will fall by the way side.  So,it’s to her benefit to open that pie hole sitting upon her Ichabod Crane body and spew forth her wisdom.

On the plus side, she is polarizing.  She is one of those people that you either love or hate...and those who hate her, will never be convinced to like her or be moved to accept her position.

She is what Dice Clay would have called, a Snapper-head.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,14:18   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 07 2007,07:00)
Buy me lots of beers, and I'd take on Denyse, too.

LOTS of beers.

LOTS AND LOTS.

;)

Bloody ####!

Give that man a badge. Actually I don't think you have the guts.

Go on. I double dog dare you. I demand photographic evidence though. Should you succeed I will buy you a copious amount of really good beer in the British pub of your choice.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,15:00   

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One has to remember, Coulter is professional pundit.  She has to keep her name in the press or be forgotten.

There are so many right-wing pundits competing for time on the Faux News channel that unless she distinguishes herself from the mealy pack, she will fall by the way side.  

I agree. The market for loudmouth rightwing crazies is so glutted in America now, that for one to stay financially viable, one has to continually crank up the nuttiness to higher and higher levels. It's essentially become a game of out-crazying all your rivals, since if you fall behind there are SO MANY others to take your place in an instant. So basically, the sky's the limit for wingnut rhetoric.

The penultimate frontier was explicitly calling all liberals homosexuals. The final frontier was calling for liberals and non-Christians to be killed. Both of these limits were reached and breached some time ago. They're now common place.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,16:52   

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You know, I quite like those people that you seem to dislike.
Look, I never truly dislike anyone, okay? I don’t even dislike Ann Coulter. (Well, I do, but I just can’t keep it up for long. Too much energy in disliking people.) There are times, when she actually acts sane, that I wish I could like her.

Until she opens her mouth. I don’t believe that she believes what she says. But I don’t understand people like that. I joke around, but she’s/they’re taking it to another level, and I don’t know how much of her is “she” and how much of her is “they” (yes, she’s a pundit, but she’s a pundit like Michael Jackson is a child advocate).

I didn’t snub people in my town; they snubbed me and were closed-minded and tried to change me all the time. I don't get it because I was no trouble. They could have just left me alone, but there was harassment, even nasty phone calls. Parents who didn’t like my parents had kids who got in my face. These were the upper-class snobs of the town so I’m hardly a sophisticate. It's not that I don't like people from small towns; it's just that I'm afraid they'll judge me again and one can hide more easily in a city than in a place where everyone knows everyone. As a matter of fact I wanted the people I grew up with to accept me, but they never will. So I split.
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It doesn't apply on the individual level.
Of course not. Check out the link in my previous post – GilDodgen’s a pianist, just like me. Geez, we have something in common. Too bad I don't believe in anything. ;) I certainly didn’t know any guys who played the piano when I was taking lessons. I got enough crap from the other girls who nagged at me to quit. Have you ever seen the documentary Go Tigers!? I sympathize with the non-football obsessed kids interviewed in that film

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,16:55   

Quote (Steverino @ Mar. 07 2007,14:04)
One has to remember, Coulter is professional pundit.  She has to keep her name in the press or be forgotten.

There are so many right-wing pundits competing for time on the Faux News channel that unless she distinguishes herself from the mealy pack, she will fall by the way side.  So,it’s to her benefit to open that pie hole sitting upon her Ichabod Crane body and spew forth her wisdom.

On the plus side, she is polarizing.  She is one of those people that you either love or hate...and those who hate her, will never be convinced to like her or be moved to accept her position.

She is what Dice Clay would have called, a Snapper-head.


 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 07 2007,15:00)
I agree. The market for loudmouth rightwing crazies is so glutted in America now, that for one to stay financially viable, one has to continually crank up the nuttiness to higher and higher levels. It's essentially become a game of out-crazying all your rivals, since if you fall behind there are SO MANY others to take your place in an instant. So basically, the sky's the limit for wingnut rhetoric.

The penultimate frontier was explicitly calling all liberals homosexuals. The final frontier was calling for liberals and non-Christians to be killed. Both of these limits were reached and breached some time ago. They're now common place.


Exactly.  And perfect imagery, Steverino.  Snapper-head with pie hole sitting upon her Ichabod Crane body indeed.

 
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Go on. I double dog dare you. I demand photographic evidence though. Should you succeed I will buy you a copious amount of really good beer in the British pub of your choice.


I hereby nominate you to inspect the evidence.  I doubt many others (including myself) would have the stomach for it.  Let us all know how that works out.  I'm willing to chip in for the brew.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,18:05   

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Go on. I double dog dare you. I demand photographic evidence though. Should you succeed I will buy you a copious amount of really good beer in the British pub of your choice.


I hereby nominate you to inspect the evidence.  I doubt many others (including myself) would have the stomach for it.

Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,19:23   

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Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)


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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2007,21:02   

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Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)


It's just nature's way of protecting you from yourself...

Geez, I'd hate to ponder the reason for that evolutionary advantage!

J-Dog, is this the reason your commercials never show your sistren?

:D

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Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)


It's just nature's way of protecting you from yourself...

Geez, I'd hate to ponder the reason for that evolutionary advantage!

J-Dog, is this the reason your commercials never show your sistren?

:D


Yes, my producers are concerned about offending your modern-type sensativities.. Evidently you modern-types just can't handle true "rock & roll".  

You can clearly see that what is considered a moderately attractive Sistern, is way effein better than the degenerative modern-type morpho-dyke type of an Ann Coulter, or Denyse O'Leary.  

If my caveman sisterns looked like those two, you modern types wouln't be here, cuz nobody I know would do them... we have our standards.



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hubba hubba!

Nice addition for International Women's Day!

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Look, I never truly dislike anyone, okay?...

Yes. Sorry, I probably missread you. I do apologise profusely.
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Re "If my caveman sisterns looked like those two, you modern types wouln't be here, cuz nobody I know would do them... we have our standards. "

And you wouldn't wanna Welch on those standards, huh?

  
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First time I saw that movie, I was about ten, and thought the dinosaurs were really really cool.

Next time I saw it, I was about 15, and didn't notice that there WERE any dinosaurs.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,21:21   

Hey Skeptic, I'm just a little curious what you think about Coulter's latest, uh, "joke":

http://www.au.org/site....rl=1241


An excerpt:

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 In her remarks, Coulter made light of the murder of abortion doctors and clinic personnel.

Noting that seven doctors and clinic personnel had been killed, Coulter said, “Those few abortionists were shot, or, depending on your point of view, had a procedure with a rifle performed on them. I’m not justifying it, but I do understand how it happened....The number of deaths attributed to Roe v. Wade about 40 million aborted babies and seven abortion clinic workers; 40 million to seven is also a pretty good measure of how the political debate is going.”


"Procedure with a rifle".  Hardy har har.  Funny funny girl, ain't she.

How do you like Coulter's "jokes", Skeptic . . . . . . ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,16:03   

C'mom, Lenny, what do you want me to say?  She's trying to prove a point that murder is murder whether you're talking about a clinic worker or the unborn?  There's no reason to respond to this.  I couldn't defend someone who killed a doctor for performing a legal procedure, it just doesn't make any sense.  But it's also ridiculous to equate a few maniacs with the pro-life movement.  That would be the same as saying all muslims are terrorists.

Again, she's trying to make a point but that's secondary.  Primarily, she's trying to piss you off and satisfy that segment on her side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion.

So, I don't take her seriously, nor do I feel the need to defend or justify anything she says.  My suggestion is You should ignore her also if you don't like what she's saying.  We're a consumer driven society so that is the best way you can punish her.

And I think that that pretty much sums up everything we could possibly say about Ann Coulter.  Anything more is just redundant.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,17:45   

Skeptic has rationalized speech that he agrees is inaccurate and hateful as just more commercial puffery which he and other consumers may simply ignore if they choose not to ingest it.

I agree that's a rational stance as to purely commercial speech.

I don't agree that that's a rational stance as to speech which is designed not (or not only) to push a product but to incite irrational hate and rage.

Are you truly comfortable with your rationalization, skeptic?  Or, upon reflection, are you able to see a moral dimension here that you're ignoring?

  
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C'mom, Lenny, what do you want me to say?  She's trying to prove a point that murder is murder whether you're talking about a clinic worker or the unborn?  There's no reason to respond to this.  I couldn't defend someone who killed a doctor for performing a legal procedure, it just doesn't make any sense.  But it's also ridiculous to equate a few maniacs with the pro-life movement.  That would be the same as saying all muslims are terrorists.

Again, she's trying to make a point but that's secondary.  Primarily, she's trying to piss you off and satisfy that segment on her side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion.

So, I don't take her seriously, nor do I feel the need to defend or justify anything she says.  My suggestion is You should ignore her also if you don't like what she's saying.  We're a consumer driven society so that is the best way you can punish her.

And I think that that pretty much sums up everything we could possibly say about Ann Coulter.  Anything more is just redundant.

Oh, don't bullshit us, Skeptic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,18:35   

Skeptic should be ass raped by a large farm animal.

I don't really mean that, I just wanted "to piss you off and satisfy that segment on my side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion."

I suppose I've made my point?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,19:24   

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C'mom, Lenny, what do you want me to say?  She's trying to prove a point that murder is murder whether you're talking about a clinic worker or the unborn?  There's no reason to respond to this.  I couldn't defend someone who killed a doctor for performing a legal procedure, it just doesn't make any sense.  But it's also ridiculous to equate a few maniacs with the pro-life movement.  That would be the same as saying all muslims are terrorists.

Again, she's trying to make a point but that's secondary.  Primarily, she's trying to piss you off and satisfy that segment on her side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion.

So, I don't take her seriously, nor do I feel the need to defend or justify anything she says.  My suggestion is You should ignore her also if you don't like what she's saying.  We're a consumer driven society so that is the best way you can punish her.

And I think that that pretty much sums up everything we could possibly say about Ann Coulter.  Anything more is just redundant.

Danm Skeptic, you made a real point. She was simply equating abortion with murder. You're right.

But you're still off the mark. It's great that she has the right to say what she wants but it's not great that she says the things she does. Do you recognize the pinpoint accuracy in the word "great". Totally objective right. A universal scale from 0-10, right?

I would love to be a republican except that they're nuts. Ebola, churches, torches, ... clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right stuck in the....

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,21:28   

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Skeptic should be ass raped by a large farm animal.

I don't really mean that, I just wanted "to piss you off and satisfy that segment on my side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion."

I suppose I've made my point?

FTW.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,22:50   

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I don't agree that that's a rational stance as to speech which is designed not (or not only) to push a product but to incite irrational hate and rage.

Are you truly comfortable with your rationalization, skeptic?  Or, upon reflection, are you able to see a moral dimension here that you're ignoring?

This is where you give Ann Coulter much more credit than I do.  I do not believe she intends or is even capable of inciting irrational rage and hate.  You must remember the ideas that she taps into already exist.  She's not generating anything original.  If someone listens to her and thinks she's got some really great ideas it's only because she's voicing the thoughts that they've already had.

Again, other than Ichy's unruly students, I don't see Ann Coulter having any significant impact outside of upon her own pocketbook and that of Fox News.

And no, Lou, you didn't make your point because you didn't make any sense.  You didn't piss me off and my involvement with farm animals has no relavance to this or any other discussion.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,04:48   

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This is where you give Ann Coulter much more credit than I do.  I do not believe she intends or is even capable of inciting irrational rage and hate.  You must remember the ideas that she taps into already exist.  She's not generating anything original.  If someone listens to her and thinks she's got some really great ideas it's only because she's voicing the thoughts that they've already had.

Wow, you had it then ou lost it.

Have you seen the simpsons episode where bush moves in across the street? Remember when they are having the yard sales and no one is buying until homer grabs the megaphone and shouts out "Who here thinks flanders sucks?"

The croud suddenly takes an interst and starts buying stuff left and right.

The reason simpsons is funny is because it is spot on.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,07:07   

I'm sorry, I don't watch The Simpsons.  This might be the root of the problem, we have two completely different frames of reference.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,09:23   

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 I do not believe she intends or is even capable of inciting irrational rage and hate.  

Then you need to get out of the house more often, and take a good long look around you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,10:15   

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I do not believe she intends or is even capable of inciting irrational rage and hate.  You must remember the ideas that she taps into already exist.  She's not generating anything original.  If someone listens to her and thinks she's got some really great ideas it's only because she's voicing the thoughts that they've already had.

Do you know what incite means?

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in·cite      /&#618;n&#712;sa&#618;t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-sahyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -cit·ed, -cit·ing. to stir, encourage, or urge on; stimulate or prompt to action: to incite a crowd to riot.


That's from dictionary.com.  Inciting doesn't mean that she has to produce something new.  Saying that she isn't capable of inciting means that she is incapable of urging people to be hateful.  She is obviously not incapable of that.  She urges hate all the time.

Further, you admit that people already have those feelings and that she is tapping into them.  So, is it constructive to feed those feelings of anger and hatred?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,10:44   

Again, I fail to see any evidence and no one here has provided any evidence that Coulter is inciting any rage, anger, hatred or any other emotion exhibited by the great unwashed that you guys are so in fear of.

I take a good look around me every day and I can only assume that I live in a completely different country that just coincidentally bears the same name as the one you live in.

I am not prone to anger, hatred, paranoia, fear, loathing, depression or hopelessness.  I'm sorry you guys must endure these constant assualts on you're ablity to be happy but I just can not identify.  I guess it could equally be asked if it is constructive for you guys to sit in you're echo chambers and constantly incite each other?  I do hear an awful lot of hate and anger right here; is that justified?  I forgot, this is well informed hate and anger directed at the actual enemies of human civilization. :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,11:31   

Gotta question:

Do you get the impression that Republicans and/or the religious right are distancing themselves from Coulter? I would guess that they would be torn between agreeing with some of her ideas but embarrassed that she articulates them so publicly and in such an inflammatory manner.

My feeling is that any group might hold a loose cannon at arm's length if they got too controversial. Of course, Dembski doesn't have the same survival instincts; he took public credit for helping her with her book.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,11:34   

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Again, I fail to see any evidence and no one here has provided any evidence that Coulter is inciting any rage, anger, hatred or any other emotion exhibited by the great unwashed that you guys are so in fear of.

I take a good look around me every day and I can only assume that I live in a completely different country that just coincidentally bears the same name as the one you live in.

I am not prone to anger, hatred, paranoia, fear, loathing, depression or hopelessness.  I'm sorry you guys must endure these constant assualts on you're ablity to be happy but I just can not identify.  I guess it could equally be asked if it is constructive for you guys to sit in you're echo chambers and constantly incite each other?  I do hear an awful lot of hate and anger right here; is that justified?  I forgot, this is well informed hate and anger directed at the actual enemies of human civilization. :D

Yeah, all those Good Germans in 1933 said the same thing.  (shrug)


Go ahead and blissfully live your life, Skeptic.  Don't worry your little head about it.  The rest of us will protect it for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,11:37   

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Gotta question:

Do you get the impression that Republicans and/or the religious right are distancing themselves from Coulter? I would guess that they would be torn between agreeing with some of her ideas but embarrassed that she articulates them so publicly and in such an inflammatory manner.

My feeling is that any group might hold a loose cannon at arm's length if they got too controversial. Of course, Dembski doesn't have the same survival instincts; he took public credit for helping her with her book.

That is indeed tha bane of all extremist ideologues everywhere --- inevitably, they always go too far, and lose all their popular support.

The neocons are learning that lesson right now.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,13:24   

Quote (lkeithlu @ Mar. 10 2007,11:31)
Gotta question:

Do you get the impression that Republicans and/or the religious right are distancing themselves from Coulter? I would guess that they would be torn between agreeing with some of her ideas but embarrassed that she articulates them so publicly and in such an inflammatory manner.

My feeling is that any group might hold a loose cannon at arm's length if they got too controversial. Of course, Dembski doesn't have the same survival instincts; he took public credit for helping her with her book.

I would say, Yes.  I heard very little about Coulter's comments anywhere but here.  Normally, she would have led every show as newscasters breathlessly awaited her apology but that was not the case.  Rush even ignored her and only talked about it for 15 min the following Monday and since then, nothing.  I think she's even lost some sponsors over the comment.  So I would say she's definitely been minimized but I don't believe she actually was a serious member of either the conservative or republican organizations.

Lenny, thank you, and I might say, how very arrogant of you!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,13:27   

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Lenny, thank you, and I might say, how very arrogant of you!

No, my dear Skeptic, "arrogant" is to stand around and look stupid while our country crumbles into fascism around us, and cluck your tongue disapprovingly at those who are trying to prevent it.

That's your job, not mine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,14:15   

Like I said, we live in two different countries that bear little resemblance to each other.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,14:38   

Skeptic--

Isn't it funny that you're getting these lectures on morality from people who support "string-em-up" Lenny? Not to mention Lenny himself. As for me, I find Coulter repulsive, and do not support barbarism from either the left OR right. Coulter's success is a symptom of how far our civilisational standards have fallen. Sure, her persona is partly a "work", but the consequences remain the same.

Ann Coulter would not sell books in a civilised society. One day we might become one, but we have a lot of work to do in the meantime.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,14:58   

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Like I said, we live in two different countries that bear little resemblance to each other.

Like I said, the Good Germans in 1933 said the same thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,15:02   

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Skeptic--

Isn't it funny that you're getting these lectures on morality from people who support "string-em-up" Lenny? Not to mention Lenny himself. As for me, I find Coulter repulsive, and do not support barbarism from either the left OR right. Coulter's success is a symptom of how far our civilisational standards have fallen. Sure, her persona is partly a "work", but the consequences remain the same.

Ann Coulter would not sell books in a civilised society. One day we might become one, but we have a lot of work to do in the meantime.

From "troll" to "non-troll" in one paragraph.

Which is real?  Which is not?  Who can tell?  Who cares?

No wonder no one listens to you anymore, Paley.  (shrug)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,16:17   

Quote (GCT @ Mar. 09 2007,21:28)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 09 2007,19:35)
Skeptic should be ass raped by a large farm animal.

I don't really mean that, I just wanted "to piss you off and satisfy that segment on my side that is also pissed off.  IMO, it's all about emotion."

I suppose I've made my point?

FTW.

:)

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2007,16:52   

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Again, I fail to see any evidence and no one here has provided any evidence that Coulter is inciting any rage, anger, hatred or any other emotion exhibited by the great unwashed that you guys are so in fear of.

And I fail to see any evidence that you actually understand the words that you are using.

If I go onto a street corner and claim that we should kill all the Jews or Blacks or Illegal Immigrants, I am inciting violence and hatred whether anyone reacts to me or not.  Do you understand what that word means now?

  
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Again, I fail to see any evidence and no one here has provided any evidence that Coulter is inciting any rage, anger, hatred or any other emotion exhibited by the great unwashed that you guys are so in fear of.


Yes, yes, Skeptic. You've already shared your theory that people who object to Ann Coulter are 'elitists'. We aren't buying. It didn't fly any better than your claim that we're all trying to stifle free speech.

If you insist on defending Coulter, you're long overdue to try out some new arguments, believe me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2007,07:24   

GCT, that's the same as saying "I'm starting a fire" by rubbing two erasers together.  You're not starting a fire anywhere but in you're own mind.  You might want to rephrase your argument to say that Ann is attempting to incite; then you may have a point.

GoP, absolutely right.  Where else could we hear all day long about Britney's new hair style and Ann Nicole's decaying body.  This is the height of civilization.  :D   But if I was paranoid I'd say that is what the media and govt want us to focus on while they steal away every last liberty we have and make us slaves to the state.  Good thing I'm not paranoid, huh?

Arden, I don't think I've ever defended what Ann said.  I think I've made it clear that I'm dealing with the reaction to Coulter, but, yes, most everyone here is probably an elitist including myself...I think.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2007,08:15   

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GCT, that's the same as saying "I'm starting a fire" by rubbing two erasers together.  You're not starting a fire anywhere but in you're own mind.  You might want to rephrase your argument to say that Ann is attempting to incite; then you may have a point.

Um, no.  It's using the word with it's proper definition.  To incite means to urge on.  That is what she does.  The reason I'm harping on this is because it shows one more thing that you simply don't get.  You can't simply make up your own definitions for words in order to win arguments.  If you want to say that she isn't effective when she incites people to violence and hatred, that's one thing, but she most definitely incites violence and hatred.  She tries to sow violence and hatred, whether she is successful or not.  Please learn how to read a dictionary.

  
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GCT, that's the same as saying "I'm starting a fire" by rubbing two erasers together.  You're not starting a fire anywhere but in you're own mind.  You might want to rephrase your argument to say that Ann is attempting to incite; then you may have a point.

Um, no.  It's using the word with it's proper definition.  To incite means to urge on.  That is what she does.  The reason I'm harping on this is because it shows one more thing that you simply don't get.  You can't simply make up your own definitions for words in order to win arguments.  If you want to say that she isn't effective when she incites people to violence and hatred, that's one thing, but she most definitely incites violence and hatred.  She tries to sow violence and hatred, whether she is successful or not.  Please learn how to read a dictionary.

I think I see the problem.

Skeptic, the definition of 'incite' does NOT depend on how successful the inciting is.

Just because no one has yet taken up Ann on her invitation to kill Souter, liberals or Muslims does not mean she's NOT inciting people to violence.

It is not valid to say it's not inciting til she actually persuades someone.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2007,15:38   

Skeptic:

 
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GoP, absolutely right.  Where else could we hear all day long about Britney's new hair style and Ann Nicole's decaying body.  This is the height of civilization.  :D


The media's reaction to A.N. Smith's death provided irrefutable evidence that either the MSM or contemporary American culture is the enemy of civilisation*. It wasn't the saturation coverage that bothered me (gotta hook the yokels after all), as much as the elegaic note the commentators struck, a tone befitting the passing of a great statesman instead of a coked-out stripper/golddigger. Then I realised that there is no irony here: Anna Nicole and Angelina Jolie are unabashedly set up as role models for our daughters to follow. A good parent should proceed from this insight and act accordingly.

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But if I was paranoid I'd say that is what the media and govt want us to focus on while they steal away every last liberty we have and make us slaves to the state.  Good thing I'm not paranoid, huh?


You have all the rights you need at present:

1) The right to pay your taxes;

2) The right to shut your trap.

Anything else is superfluous. ;)



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2007,19:26   

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GCT, that's the same as saying "I'm starting a fire" by rubbing two erasers together.  You're not starting a fire anywhere but in you're own mind.  You might want to rephrase your argument to say that Ann is attempting to incite; then you may have a point.

GoP, absolutely right.  Where else could we hear all day long about Britney's new hair style and Ann Nicole's decaying body.  This is the height of civilization.  :D   But if I was paranoid I'd say that is what the media and govt want us to focus on while they steal away every last liberty we have and make us slaves to the state.  Good thing I'm not paranoid, huh?

Arden, I don't think I've ever defended what Ann said.  I think I've made it clear that I'm dealing with the reaction to Coulter, but, yes, most everyone here is probably an elitist including myself...I think.

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Its obvious that this is a waste of time.  Its a shame but very revealing about the current state of evolutionary theory.  Right now it is much more important to defend at all costs then to actually engage in science.  Pity.

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You don't approve of hand waving I see. Good for you. Brittney's melting brain and Anna's rotting corpse are pretty crazy things for the left to identify with. Crazy. I wonder why they do it?

Oh yeah, does evolution happen at the individual level or the molecular level? I forgot. That class was soooo long ago.

Thanks.

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