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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:39   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,03:30)
 
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"For the kids" is not honest enough to allow comments that make her or her position look foolish go through, so this thread is for cross-posting.

Could you create a similar thread for my comments that are filtered at Panda's Thumb?

Thanks.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:43   

Stuff like this no doubt
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Remember Richard Sternberg? The NCSE consulted with the Smithsonian on how to best make Sternbergís life a living hell for daring to challenge Darwinian orthodoxy.


Yes, being asked to hand back some keys and change office sure is a "living hell".
Link

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:46   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:43)
Stuff like this no doubt
 
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Remember Richard Sternberg? The NCSE consulted with the Smithsonian on how to best make Sternbergís life a living hell for daring to challenge Darwinian orthodoxy.


Yes, being asked to hand back some keys and change office sure is a "living hell".
Link

Yep, just listen to NPR's program on academic freedom (or lack thereof)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:48   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,03:46)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:43)
Stuff like this no doubt
 
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Remember Richard Sternberg? The NCSE consulted with the Smithsonian on how to best make Sternbergís life a living hell for daring to challenge Darwinian orthodoxy.


Yes, being asked to hand back some keys and change office sure is a "living hell".
Link

Yep, just listen to NPR's program on academic freedom (or lack thereof)

Ah, I see the old "argument by link". And you don't even say what part I got wrong - don't you want to put anything on the line?

Sum it up in your own words or don't bother.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:50   

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Expelled claims that Sternberg was ďterrorizedĒ and that ďhis life was nearly ruinedĒ when, in 2004, as editor of Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, he published a pro-intelligent design article by Stephen C. Meyer. However, there is no evidence of either terrorism or ruination. Before publishing the paper, Sternberg worked for the National Institutes of Health at the National Center for Biotechnology Information (GenBank) and was an unpaid Research Associate Ė not an employee Ė at the Smithsonian. He was the voluntary, unpaid editor of PBSW (small academic journals rarely pay editors), and had given notice of his resignation as editor six months before the Meyer article was published. After the Meyer incident, he remained an employee of NIH and his unpaid position at the Smithsonian was extended in 2006, although he has not shown up there in years. At no time was any aspect of his pay or working conditions at NIH affected. It is difficult to see how his life ďwas nearly ruinedĒ when nothing serious happened to him. He was never even disciplined for legitimate violations of policy of PBSW or Smithsonian policy.


from expelledexposed.

http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth/sternberg

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:50   

Rumors
Investigation into religious beliefs
Divorce

   
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:52   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,03:50)
Rumors
Investigation into religious beliefs
Divorce

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Rumors

Have you ever worked in a office? Office gossip thrives on rumours and scandal. No doubt it's no different even at the Smithsonian.

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Investigation into religious beliefs

If you being religious beliefs into the workplace then what else do you expect?

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Divorce

Don't know what you are getting at here.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,03:53   

William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,04:00   

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In short, Sternberg has turned two bits of bureaucratic minutiae affecting an entire division of the museum Ė a switch from keys to ID badges and a routine shuffling of office space Ė into a conspiracy to undermine him personally.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,04:06   

I've read the article you linked to William.
Could you tell me specifically what the relevance to academic freedom (or lack thereof) is?

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"He didn't lose his job, he didn't get his pay cut, he still has his research privileges, he still has his office," Scott says. "You know, what's his complaint? People weren't nice to him. Well, life is not fair."


Seems to me the only freedom that has been limited is the freedom to publish articles in the wrong journal and the freedom to bypass the normal safeguards that ensure the article was relevant to the journal in question.

How has anybody's academic freedom been limited? You'll have to explain it to me, in simple terms please.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,06:16   

Well, since your attempt to threadjack failed and we got sent to the BW, I'll post my response to your other complaint about "Judgement Day" here:

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Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,01:28)
The biggest problem is the use of the footage from Inherit the wind

Since your other problem is addressed, I'll indulge you on this one as well.

OK, so, for one, it's perfectly obvious that what you're seeing is footage from a movie and not stuff shot in 1925 of the events surrounding Scopes.

Two, they throw up the title shot, just in case it wasn't obvious enough:


Three, at the same time the narrator says: "Loosely portrayed in the classic film Inherit the Wind"

Four, we're talking less than 60s of footage from the movie, combined with entirely accurate narration.

Five, that 60 seconds included scenes acting as simple illustrations of the historical facts recited by the narrator:

"In that case, a high-school science teacher in Tennessee named John Scopes was accused of violating state law by teaching evolution."


"The trial turned into a courtroom showdown between Clarence Darrow..."


"...and three time presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan."



And that's it. Where's the intent to deceive or mislead or alter behavior or do anything other than recite some facts with some visual aids? †Oh noes, they used footage from a movie, and by God, they admitted it right there in the narration. And they also had the unmitigated gall to say that that movie shouldn't be taken as an historically accurate document of the Scopes Trial. †Besides which, that small segment has no bearing on the facts of Kitzmiller v. Dover and is there solely to provide a tiny bit of historical context . †Oh, those horrible, horrible propagandists. †How dare they!

Yeah, whatever William. You fail. † In any case, thanks for providing me with a reason to watch an excellent documentary again.

Appendix:

I just discovered that Wesley has smacked you with this particular cluestick before, but maybe the pretty pictures will help you understand this time that this is really something you should stop yammering about. †I knew you fond of advancing the claim, but it's now clear that you do so knowing full well it is nothing but false. You're a hell of a guy, William.

(Edited 11/4/2008: New Image Host)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,09:33   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:53)
William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

Oh!  OH!  Ask me!  Ask me!

Hint for WW:  the answer is in the appendix of the Government investigative report.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,11:32   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,01:50)
Rumors
Investigation into religious beliefs
Divorce

Classic.

No argument. No defense of his position. No explanation. Just three catch phrases, crabbily left hanging in the air, as tho they meant something. Then when leaned on for an explanation, he disappears.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,11:36   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2008,11:32)
Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,01:50)
Rumors
Investigation into religious beliefs
Divorce

Classic.

No argument. No defense of his position. No explanation. Just three catch phrases, crabbily left hanging in the air, as tho they meant something. Then when leaned on for an explanation, he disappears.

Divorce - As in divorced from reality...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,12:00   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:53)
William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

That is sort of like asking if a victim of waterboarding was killed or not.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,12:01   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,04:06)
I've read the article you linked to William.
Could you tell me specifically what the relevance to academic freedom (or lack thereof) is?

Listen to the audio. The article is not the transcript.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,12:19   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,12:00)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:53)
William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

That is sort of like asking if a victim of waterboarding was killed or not.

Not if the accusation is that he was killed!

So, was Sternberg expelled (lost his job for IDiocy) or not?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,12:50   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,10:00)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:53)
William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

That is sort of like asking if a victim of waterboarding was killed or not.

Well, since Sternberg obviously wasn't fired, did the Smithsonian waterboard him at least?

I mean, ID has nothing if it doesn't have its martyrs, eh?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,13:00   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,12:01)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,04:06)
I've read the article you linked to William.
Could you tell me specifically what the relevance to academic freedom (or lack thereof) is?

Listen to the audio. The article is not the transcript.

And what point is it that the audio will make?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,13:47   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,02:52)
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Divorce

Don't know what you are getting at here.

The claim is that harrasment of Sternberg led to his divorce.   Just how is not explained.  

Perhaps when his wife discovered that he was not spending his evenings at the Smithsonian, she got suspicious.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,13:49   

Maybe he was waterbedded at the Smithsonian.  No wonder his wife had enough.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,14:25   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,12:00)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:53)
William, simple question. Was Steinberg fired or not?

That is sort of like asking if a victim of waterboarding was killed or not.

Terrible analogy... (an ID mainstay).
Sternberg could have left his unpaid, voluntary position at any time.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,16:08   

Was Sternberg fired?

Just answer the simple question, FtK, I mean, William Wallace.

Come on, even Kevin Miller answered this one!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,21:10   

Well, sure.  But William Wallace isn't as smart smarmy ridiculous as Kevin Miller, oh screw it; he's just plain dumb.

That's not a personal attack; it's based on evidence (do you know what that is, William?).  Smart people, when asked a direct question will do one of two things: answer it truthfully or lie.

William seems to be able to do neither.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,21:25   

Yeah, but he's the only creo we have to play with now, so don't we need to keep him around for laughs? Also, he get's sooo mad at Abbie, it's fun just to watch him sputter.

As a bonus, no extra charge, I think he set a new all-time density / denial record with the Expelled pre-screening fun.  He just couldn't get his bible-totin' arms around how PZ could just show up at the screening , without "crashing" the screening.  Even though at least 4 different people on 4 different boards told him how stupid the set up was for the screenings by the ID / Prmise people.

It was like he was in "the FTK Zone". (Like the twilight Zone, without Rod Serling.  And without the good stories.  Although I am sure that if I were ever in Kansas, it would remind me of the Twilight Zone.)

Maybe he STILL doesn't get it, right William?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,21:30   

William seems naive about science, creationism, philosophy of science, etc. Treat him with some measure of kindness. We were all ignorant on these topics once.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,21:33   

Hope that he's like Robert O'Brien, who's just too young to understand how his smarmy behavior comes across. In my teens/early 20's I was a smug idiot too. There's always time to change.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,21:48   

Quote (Quidam @ May 03 2008,11:47)
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Divorce

Don't know what you are getting at here.

The claim is that harrasment of Sternberg led to his divorce. † Just how is not explained. †

So not only did Darwinism kill those 6 million Jews, it now causes divorce.

Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,22:33   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2008,21:48)
So not only did Darwinism kill those 6 million Jews, it now causes divorce.

Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.

Which, as we know from the documentary "Footloose", destroy family values.

See Kevin Bacon was also in "A Few Good Men" with Keifer Sutherland...who was in "Young Guns" with Charlie Sheen...who was in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" with Ben Stein...who was in "Expelled" with Sternberg. †So Darwinism destroys family values. QED

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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,22:50   

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Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.


Only to dancing around the issues.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,23:25   

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Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.


Only to dancing around the issues.

What about dancing on the ceiling?  It could happen. :angry:


(Edited because I forgot to enable the damn smileys the first time.)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2008,00:40   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:43)
Stuff like this no doubt
 
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Remember Richard Sternberg? The NCSE consulted with the Smithsonian on how to best make Sternbergís life a living hell for daring to challenge Darwinian orthodoxy.


Yes, being asked to hand back some keys and change office sure is a "living hell".

Hey, come on! Fair dos. He also had to return a shelf or two of overdue library books and some biological specimens he'd taken without permission.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2008,01:17   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:43)
Stuff like this no doubt
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Remember Richard Sternberg? The NCSE consulted with the Smithsonian on how to best make Sternbergís life a living hell for daring to challenge Darwinian orthodoxy.


Yes, being asked to hand back some keys and change office sure is a "living hell".
Link

Well, I mean, don't be too flippant.  I lost my keys to the house today and while I was standing there fumbling around trying to remember where they were, this huge furry spider was on the wall just waggling some of its legs at me like it was gonna start something.

It was scary as hell and when I finally found the keys, I felt like another minute spent out there and it would've made its move.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2008,08:32   

Quote (Texas Teach @ May 03 2008,23:33)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2008,21:48)
So not only did Darwinism kill those 6 million Jews, it now causes divorce.

Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.

Which, as we know from the documentary "Footloose", destroy family values.

See Kevin Bacon was also in "A Few Good Men" with Keifer Sutherland...who was in "Young Guns" with Charlie Sheen...who was in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" with Ben Stein...who was in "Expelled" with Sternberg. †So Darwinism destroys family values. QED

Nobody puts Sternberg in a corner.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,00:09   

didymos,

Why do you engauge in deceitful screen capturing?

Please provide a screen capture of the mythological g-men arresting Scopes?

Coward.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,00:14   

Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?

Just explain this.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,00:51   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 05 2008,00:14)
Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?

Just explain this.

Sorry, I can't reply as I can read what you just weren't allowed to post, obviously.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,00:54   

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Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD.,

'Evolander'?

Isn't that Keith Eaton's infantile buzzword?

Are you imitating him, or are you the same person as him?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,00:59   

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_sh....35.html

TWAT.

ETA.

Lemme get "William Wah!-Wah!-Wallace©" in early doors before someone else thinks of it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,01:19   

I didn't know that explanation was lacking.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,01:36   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 04 2008,22:09)
didymos,

Why do you engauge in deceitful screen capturing?

Please provide a screen capture of the mythological g-men arresting Scopes?

Coward.

To piss you off.  All of us evolanders exist solely for the purpose of annoying William Wallace.  Didn't you get the memo?

Oh, and: quit picking absurd nits and accusing others of deceit.  Didn't I just tell you, as I know you've been told before, that the images are from a film that was specifically stated in the narration to be "loosely based" on actual events? And didn't I just tell you that they were just there as visual aids and don't change the fact that the narration is entirely accurate, as you've also been told before? Here, I'll answer: Yes, I did and yes, I did.   Go ahead and edit the whole 60 second "Inherit" sequence out, if it makes you feel better.  Makes not a whit of difference to what happened in Dover or the rest of the film.  I'd tell you to stop whining about it, but what would be the point?

So, go ahead.  Complain about the segment some more and call me a coward again.  I know you want to, and I'm cool with that.

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Emphasis added for clue-giving.

I see you've already addressed this, but I'm having a little trouble seeing what you're getting at, Wesley.

Could you make it a little bigger and maybe add some bold to the parts you'd like to emphasize?

I wouldn't want anyone to miss the important parts.

:p

(Edited to thank Wesley for the extra good redness.)

(Edited again to recheck the smiley box that doesn't stay checked when you edit a comment that already had the check box checked.)

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Quote (William Wallace @ May 04 2008,22:14)
Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?

Just explain this.

More like laugh at UD for its absurd and arbitrarily draconian moderation policies.  I've personally had four accounts mysteriously silenced, and I'm not really losing any sleep over it. That was basically fine with me, as it certainly was not at all unexpected. I knew full well what I was wading into over there.

So, anyway, why bother with yet another account or incessantly ranting about it in other venues in some vain attempt to re-acquire posting privileges that ultimately mean very little since few there would ever take much interest in my perspective? Know what I mean? Of course you do.

And since sock-puppetry isn't really my thing, I have no desire to try that out on UD either, though I appreciate a truly skilled and subtle practitioner of the art (that is the key: subtlety. Wouldn't you agree?).  

One very minor gripe I will cop to: a number of people do consider a public banning on UD to be a perverse honor, and I admit that would have been much more fun than getting silently consigned to /dev/null. Alas, such was not to be my lot.  I shall just have to persevere, somehow.

Oh, but you were saying about Panda's Thumb?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,03:48   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 05 2008,00:09)
didymos,

Why do you engauge in deceitful screen capturing?

Please provide a screen capture of the mythological g-men arresting Scopes?

Coward.


Isn't it common knowledge that Scopes volunteered for the trial. He said it sounded interesting. Evil Atheist Conspiracy wanted to overturn the Butler Act, thus there was a need for a trial, which could be presented to the Supreme Court.

Anyways, who has been talking about g-men?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,03:57   

I'd like to know who Wallace's icon is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,04:25   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ May 05 2008,01:48)
 
Quote (William Wallace @ May 05 2008,00:09)
didymos,

Why do you engauge in deceitful screen capturing?

Please provide a screen capture of the mythological g-men arresting Scopes?

Coward.


Isn't it common knowledge that Scopes volunteered for the trial. He said it sounded interesting. Evil Atheist Conspiracy wanted to overturn the Butler Act, thus there was a need for a trial, which could be presented to the Supreme Court.

Anyways, who has been talking about g-men?

William is eternally upset that the "Judgement Day" documentary used footage of "Inherit the Wind" while briefly discussing the Scopes trial, despite the fact that the context makes it abundantly clear that the movie is not a historical document.  It's just there for illustrating the narration which is accurate and specifically states "Inherit" is "loosely based" on the actual events, and presumably because it documents the cultural impact of Scopes.  Specifically, he's bitching about the fact that "Inherit" takes liberties with history and has a whole arrest sequence that didn't happen, of which a second or two is used in "Judgement Day".  

I tried to use screencaps to help illustrate why he's ridiculous.  It didn't work. Sorry you asked?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,04:30   

Quote (guthrie @ May 05 2008,01:57)
I'd like to know who Wallace's icon is.

It's John Locke, the non-Lost character/English Philosopher.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,04:34   

Quote (didymos @ May 05 2008,02:30)
 
Quote (guthrie @ May 05 2008,01:57)
I'd like to know who Wallace's icon is.

It's John Locke, the non-Lost character/English Philosopher.

OK, that's weird.  That image:
[image struck by request]

comes from here:

http://locke-smith.com/

which is some random content-management services company.  With a  puntastic name, I might add.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 05 2008,07:35

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,06:01   

Quote (didymos @ May 05 2008,04:30)
Quote (guthrie @ May 05 2008,01:57)
I'd like to know who Wallace's icon is.

It's John Locke, the non-Lost character/English Philosopher.

Thanks.  I don't watch lost.  
I do however find the use of the icon by Wallace is Ironic.  
But then I did point out on his blog that he was clearly taking the mickey, why else would he refer to Ann COulter as someone who knows about biology?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,06:19   

Quote (didymos @ May 05 2008,05:25)
William is eternally upset that the "Judgement Day" documentary used footage of "Inherit the Wind" while briefly discussing the Scopes trial, despite the fact that the context makes it abundantly clear that the movie is not a historical document. †It's just there for illustrating the narration which is accurate and specifically states "Inherit" is "loosely based" on the actual events, and presumably because it documents the cultural impact of Scopes. †

Inherit the Wind originated as a Broadway play in 1955 and, according to the website of the 2007 revival, was intended as a comment upon the intolerance of McCarthyism.

(There is a real clunker of a typo on the History page of that site: "1987: In the case Edwards v. Aguillard in Louisiana, the Supreme Court demands equal time for creationism whenever evolution is taught.")

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,06:32   

Hey, William:  why are you stealing bandwidth from http://locke-smith.com/?

Go get an imageshack account or something for Christ's sake.  

If someone could edit my prior post to remove the giant John Locke, so I'm not stealing their bandwidth, that'd be great.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,10:39   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 04 2008,22:14)
Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?

I know that making shit up is a venerable tradition among creationists, but legendary shit-for-brains Keith Eaton is still posting at PT as of this morning.

So, are you two the same person? Please explain this.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,12:20   

The only things i've seen people banned from PT for is making threats and having sock puppets.  
Other than that, by general agreement really annoying (read: stupid trolls) people can be limited to one or two small areas, i.e. the bathroom wall.  This way they can still post, and people who wish to show them the error of their way can still do so, but the rest of us don't have to wade through 300 posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,12:51   

William : I assume you are "Billy" that blogs over at William Crawley's "Will and Testament" since you referred to me as "Stupid or dense" (comments which I take exception to by the way) when I quoted Billy, who I felt was calling into question my salvation for not accepting a literal interpretation of Genesis ?

I still feel that YEC's in Northern Ireland do not accept Christians who have no problem with mainstream science as being really born again (or saved). But then, that's not surprising in this wee place since, in some quarters Roman Catholics are not accepted as real Christians either. Even Christians that don't believe in the "rapture" (considered heresy up until fairly recently i.e.the last couple of hundred years) or adult baptism are looked down upon in some circles here.

Out of curiosity William, if you are "Billy" (I gather he's now puritan by the way), are you actually from Norn Iron ? †If you are from here are you heading to the Ken Ham Do at the weekend ?

The bloggers dinner last weekend in Belfast was an excellent evening, . You missed a good night. I'm sure you would have been made very welcome, as I was, even though I was in the company of Atheists, Humanists Skeptics etc. Great crack and looking forward to the next one. †Far better fun than sitting through a YEC talk which completely distorts mainstream science and misleads the ignorant.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,14:52   

Just to be clear, this is the kind of crack Peter is referring to.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,14:58   

Quote (stevestory @ May 05 2008,12:52)
Just to be clear, this is the kind of crack Peter is referring to.

How can you be sure?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,15:27   

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Just to be clear, this is the kind of crack Peter is referring to


Yep, that's what I meant Steve.

Although, the mistake has in fact been made before Arden. Some years ago a group of holiday makers (can't remember the destination....it might have been the US....New York maybe ?) from "Norn Iron",were arrested after making extensive enquiries as to where the "crack" was †:p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,18:03   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 05 2008,10:51)
William : I assume you are "Billy" that blogs over at William Crawley's "Will and Testament" since you referred to me as "Stupid or dense" (comments which I take exception to by the way) when I quoted Billy, who I felt was calling into question my salvation for not accepting a literal interpretation of Genesis ?

What, he didn't call you a coward?  Couldn't have been him.....

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,07:15   

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What, he didn't call you a coward? †Couldn't have been him.......


He seems to have disappeared of the thread didymos.

He hasn't:

(a) answered my questions on his location.

(b) apologised for insulting me earlier.

All I'm doing is trying to be friendly.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,19:43   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 04 2008,22:14)
Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:39   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ May 05 2008,03:48)
Isn't it common knowledge that Scopes volunteered for the trial.

He did volunteer, but I don't think it is common knowledge.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:44   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 05 2008,10:39)
legendary shit-for-brains Keith Eaton is still posting at PT as of this morning.

So, are you two the same person? Please explain this.

My guess is Keith is allowed to still post because he hasn't yet ticked of the petty Wesley yet.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:50   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 05 2008,12:51)
William : I assume you are "Billy" that blogs over at William Crawley's "Will and Testament" since you referred to me as "Stupid or dense" (comments which I take exception to by the way) when I quoted Billy, who I felt was calling into question my salvation for not accepting a literal interpretation of Genesis ?

I still feel that YEC's in Northern Ireland do not accept Christians who have no problem with mainstream science as being really born again (or saved). But then, that's not surprising in this wee place since, in some quarters Roman Catholics are not accepted as real Christians either. Even Christians that don't believe in the "rapture" (considered heresy up until fairly recently i.e.the last couple of hundred years) or adult baptism are looked down upon in some circles here.

Out of curiosity William, if you are "Billy" (I gather he's now puritan by the way), are you actually from Norn Iron ? †If you are from here are you heading to the Ken Ham Do at the weekend ?

The bloggers dinner last weekend in Belfast was an excellent evening, . You missed a good night. I'm sure you would have been made very welcome, as I was, even though I was in the company of Atheists, Humanists Skeptics etc. Great crack and looking forward to the next one. †Far better fun than sitting through a YEC talk which completely distorts mainstream science and misleads the ignorant.

Nope, sorry, I thought you were calling me Billy. †Simple misunderstanding; my apologies.

You should check out my latest post, however, in which I describe a My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!) .

It will be enough to get the NCSE and their minor thugs worked up.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:53   

William it seems that your particular flavor of stupidity is contagious.  Get it checked out, moonbat.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:59   

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Hey, William: †why are you stealing bandwidth from http://locke-smith.com/?

Go get an imageshack account or something for Christ's sake. †

If someone could edit my prior post to remove the giant John Locke, so I'm not stealing their bandwidth, that'd be great.

You've confused me with http://www.antievolution.org, which decided to steal bandwidth instead of host the image.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,23:06   

Hey, WW, you're back!  We missed you.  (not)

So, tell us, we're all a-twitter, did Sternberg lose his job at either the NIH or Smithsonian?

Was Carolyn Crocker fired from George Mason?

How about Dembski?  Fired from a job?  Ever?

And, once you answer those simple questions the answers to which are easily found on the Internet, I'd like your opinion on the ethics and morality of implying otherwise in the film Expelled.

Please bring a Blue Book and a number 2 pencil.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,23:08   

Welcome back Willy Wally!

So, this ID thing... got any evidence?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,00:07   

p.s.  WW, baby, I don't grade on a curve.

(That's what she said.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:13   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,20:44)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 05 2008,10:39)
legendary shit-for-brains Keith Eaton is still posting at PT as of this morning.

So, are you two the same person? Please explain this.

My guess is Keith is allowed to still post because he hasn't yet ticked of the petty Wesley yet.

So, basically, your statement about Keith being banned at PT was, well, a lie. Cool. Nice to have that established.

So *are* you the same person as Keith? I can't imagine two people both being infantile enough to use the word 'evolander' every other sentence, but I suppose it's possible. (Try not to lie. That's supposed to be against your religion.)

Another question you'll ignore: was Sternberg fired? Answer carefully.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:20   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 07 2008,01:13)
Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,20:44)
   
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 05 2008,10:39)
legendary shit-for-brains Keith Eaton is still posting at PT as of this morning.

So, are you two the same person? Please explain this.

My guess is Keith is allowed to still post because he hasn't yet ticked of the petty Wesley yet.

So, basically, your statement about Keith being banned at PT was, well, a lie. Cool. Nice to have that established.

So *are* you the same person as Keith? I can't imagine two people both being infantile enough to use the word 'evolander' every other sentence, but I suppose it's possible. (Try not to lie. That's supposed to be against your religion.)

Another question you'll ignore: was Sternberg fired? Answer carefully.

Lie as opposed to wrong...hmn...using your standard, does that make Darwin a liar?

No, I am not Keith, but he is brilliant.  He'll be banned just as soon as shifty Wesley gets annoyed.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:22   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 06 2008,23:08)
Welcome back Willy Wally!

So, this ID thing... got any evidence?

Have you seen Every House is Built by Some ManÖ by Gerry Rzeppa ?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:39   

So did you copy 'evolander' from Keith, or did he copy it from you?

By the way, was Sternberg fired?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:40   

Yo, WW, I'm guessing you're going for the 2008 FtK Dishonesty Award.

Well on your way, I'd say.

So, about Sternberg, the question remains, was he fired?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:41   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,23:22)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 06 2008,23:08)
Welcome back Willy Wally!

So, this ID thing... got any evidence?

Have you seen Every House is Built by Some ManÖ by Gerry Rzeppa ?

If that's the best evidence you can point us to, I actually feel kind of sorry for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:49   

OMG!  Shut up!  No one knows if Sternberg was fired.  Information that secret is hard to find.  It's not like you can just go looks this shit up.  Look, if anyone had any clue where to find the answer, William Wallace would be all over it.

I mean, COME ON!

Okay, maybe not that last one.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,02:26   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,20:50)
You should check out my latest post, however, in which I describe a My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!) .

It will be enough to get the NCSE and their minor thugs worked up.

William, you fool, it just so happens that's illegal. †To save everyone the trouble, here's what this "wonderful" teacher is doing:



(edited to fix broken image)
(edited 11/4/2008: New Image Host)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,02:28   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,20:59)
 
Quote (didymos @ May 05 2008,06:32)
Hey, William:  why are you stealing bandwidth from http://locke-smith.com/?

Go get an imageshack account or something for Christ's sake.  

If someone could edit my prior post to remove the giant John Locke, so I'm not stealing their bandwidth, that'd be great.

You've confused me with http://www.antievolution.org, which decided to steal bandwidth instead of host the image.

They're under no obligation to host your image.  So, you're abusing this board system to leach http://locke-smith.com/ bandwidth.  It's still a result of your actions.  Nice try at shifting the blame, though.  Again:  get a free imageshack account, you weasel.

(edited to expunge vague possesive pronoun).

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,02:53   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 06 2008,23:39)
So did you copy 'evolander' from Keith, or did he copy it from you?

I kinda like evolander.  It's catchy.  I know it's supposed to be some sort of grave insult, but it really fails when compared to, for example, IDiot, TARD,  or cretinist.  It almost sounds like a new model SUV or something:  The new Nissan Evolander.  Welcome to the evolution of performance and comfort.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,03:59   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 06 2008,22:39)
 
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ May 05 2008,03:48)
Isn't it common knowledge that Scopes volunteered for the trial.

He did volunteer, but I don't think it is common knowledge.

Well, it is cleverly hidden in all the books that deal with Scopes. Last mention I came upon was in Monkey Girl, which I'm reading now.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,04:58   

William, you say
     
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Gravity, and the increased distance one could jump on the moon.

was one of the things you discussed with this teacher.

Please do tell how the difference in gravity on the moon illustrates the Intelligent Design perspective.

     
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But somehow I think, when he is older, that he will fondly remember that his much loved first grade teacher provided a Christian point of view to balance the ďguessesĒ of some scientists, and this lead to interesting conversation.


There are tens of thousands of papers and experiments that support those "guesses". What supports the Christian teachers point of view? A old book.

The bible you worship contains "stories". The experientially supported "stories" of the real world are something quite different. So, let me get this straight. The "Christian point of view" that balances the "guesses" of "some" scientists consists of "Science is wrong"?

It's a shame you don't live in the dark ages. Well, in a way you do already.

William, it seems to me that belief in the "true creation" would stop people trying to investigate the physical conditions around the big bang. After all, if it's all lies then what incentive to investigate further? You already know how it happened. What's the point of building all those radio telescopes to investigate T-0 when you already know how it went down?

William, you are so proud with your little story. What you don't realise is that it's people like you and yours and your anti science attitude that's stopping the human race from reaching it's potential. Luckily the rest of the world is getting over their bronze age myths and actually teaching children to investigate reality rather then accept at face value whatever human created story happens to be their cultures creation myth. And that's all it is William, a myth. You and this teacher would rather believe in a myth then find out the truth. Pathetic.
 
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Various reasons why some scientists come to hate and battle God.

If a random scientist believes that god exists why would they  battle it?  If they believe god exists why hate it? However, I suspect what you mean is that they don't really believe and how can you hate something you don't believe in? And I can only presume by battling god you mean "removing the gaps that it used to live in".

Otherwise could you tell me how it's possible for humans to "battle god" if not in that way. Where can god be reached for a fight? It's all in your (and your teachers) mind William.

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Isn't it common knowledge that Scopes volunteered for the trial.

He did volunteer, but I don't think it is common knowledge.

Well, it is cleverly hidden in all the books that deal with Scopes. Last mention I came upon was in Monkey Girl, which I'm reading now.

Not so cleverly hidden on Wikipedia:
 
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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) had offered to defend anyone accused of teaching the theory of evolution in defiance of the Butler Act. George Rappleyea, who managed several local mines, convinced a group of businessmen in Dayton, Tennessee, then a town of 1,756, that the controversy of such a trial would give Dayton much needed publicity.  With their agreement, he called in his friend, 24-year-old John Scopes, who was Clark County High School's football coach and had substituted for Principal Ferguson in a science class. Rappleyea asked Scopes to teach the theory of evolution.

Rappleyea pointed out that while the Butler Act prohibited the teaching of the theory of evolution, the state required teachers to use a textbookóGeorge Hunter's Civic Biology (1914)ówhich explicitly described and endorsed the theory of evolution, and that teachers were therefore effectively required to break the law.  Scopes could not actually remember having covered the section on evolution in Hunter's textbook, but he told the group "If you can prove that I've taught evolution and that I can qualify as a defendant, then I'll be willing to stand trial."

Scopes became an increasingly willing participant, even incriminating himself and urging students to testify against him. He was indicted on April 24, after three students testified against him at the grand jury, at Scopes' behest.  According to Edward J. Larson, Judge John T. Raulston accelerated the convening of the grand jury and "...all but instructed the grand jury to indict Scopes, despite the meager evidence against him and the widely reported stories questioning whether the willing defendant had ever taught evolution in the classroom."  Scopes was charged with having taught from the chapter on evolution to a 1925-05-07, high school class in violation of the Butler Act (and nominally arrested, though never detained).  His bail of $500 was paid by Paul Patterson, owner of the Baltimore Sun.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,05:06   

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Shifty Wesley,

Why can't you just admit you were wrong and be done with it?

Because Wesley's honest?

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Ah, like certain aspects of the theory of evolution, Augustineís comments are unfalsifiable. I should have guessed.


Which aspects of TOE are unfalsifiable William? Or have you just heard a rumour from AIG that it's so and believe it uncritically (it would not be the first time eh?)

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My guess is Keith is allowed to still post because he hasn't yet ticked of the petty Wesley yet.

So, basically, your statement about Keith being banned at PT was, well, a lie. Cool. Nice to have that established.

Lie as opposed to wrong...hmn...using your standard, does that make Darwin a liar?

No, I am not Keith, but he is brilliant.  He'll be banned just as soon as shifty Wesley gets annoyed.

No, William.  It's just that you've shown yourself to be somewhat estranged from the truth in the past, so when you pose a question like:

   
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Okay, so, please explain why evolanders belly-ache about not being about to post at UD., yet they powers that be in the PT-mafia keep the likes of me and Keith Eaton from posting at PT?


the default working hypothesis is mendacity. I'll take your word that you were merely wrong, so that default has been falsified.  It would now appear that you're too lazy or unwilling to verify the accuracy of your words.  To quote Mr. Chatfield: Cool. Nice to have that established.

As far as Keith the Brilliant goes: Eaton annoys everyone except you, apparently. So much for that "theory" Willy.

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Nope, sorry, I thought you were calling me Billy. †Simple misunderstanding; my apologies


Apologies accepted then William.

Since this thread is about yourself here are a few questions.

(1) Are you a young Earth creationist ?

(2) If you are can you give some evidence for a young Earth/Universe ?

(3) How do you view all the evidence for an ancient Earth/Universe ? For example, calculating distances to astronomical objects is down to a fine art these days. How can you reconcile the fact that steller distances are measured in millions/billions of light years (i.e. we are observing them as they were millions/billions of years, in the past)

(4) how do you view other observations which point to ancient planetary surfaces e.g. impact craters ?

(5) How do you explain the cosmic microwave background radiation ?

(6) How do you interpret the KT boundry ?

(7) How do you explain geological sorting and the fact that dinosaur fossils (misionary lizards according to Ham) only ever occur in the middle of the fossil record and only below the KT boundry ?

(8) Where do the terrestrial impact craters fit in with the biblical creation story (several hundred have now been found) ?

You could of course be an IDiot who accepts an ancient age for the Earth/Universe and common decent in which case these questions are irrelevant. However, assuming you are a YEC how do you explain the above ?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,05:35   

(9) Which aspects of TOE are unfalsifiable?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,06:09   

If there is a point to this thread other than bitching about Wesley, let's get to it William.

If that's all you're interested in doing, do it at your own blog.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,08:37   

from that Oh So Delicious post Every House Is Built By Some Man And A Blue Whale And A Fracterial Blagella Are Houses, Man

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Recent books by professional mathematicians and biologists have announced thatóthanks to their precise calculations and the startling sights theyíve seen under their expensive microscopesówe can finally substantiate the claim that the universe didnít just happen, but was, indeed, designed. Theyíre a bit reluctant to say by Whom, unfortunately, though some (when pressed) will squeak out a word that sounds something like ďGod.Ē But here again, it seems to me, weíre doing a lot of running around and are still not able to keep up with the country folk.


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 Anybody raised in the sticks will tell you that inside each and every acorn is a very special somethingóa something that knows how to take soil, and water, and the sun that shines on the just and the unjust, and quietly transform them into a mighty oak. And any stable boy will tell you that special somethings like that (not to mention Carrie Anne from the farm down the road) donít just happen. ...


someone kick this idiot off of Hee Haw.  hes gayer than jim nabors.

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someone kick this idiot off of Hee Haw.  hes gayer than jim nabors.

My avatar will gloat as you burn!

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You should check out my latest post, however, in which I describe a My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!) .

It will be enough to get the NCSE and their minor thugs worked up.

William, you fool, it just so happens that's illegal.  To save everyone the trouble, here's what this "wonderful" teacher is doing:

Illegal?  Wow.  I did not know that.  Could you please tell me, oh fool, exactly which law she violated?

Did not think so.

You're the only fool, fool.

   
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You're the only fool, fool.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,10:40   

Hey Willy Wally,
Let's have your ID hypothesis, then.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,10:42   

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You should check out my latest post, however, in which I describe a My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!) .

It will be enough to get the NCSE and their minor thugs worked up.

William, you fool, it just so happens that's illegal.  To save everyone the trouble, here's what this "wonderful" teacher is doing:

Illegal?  Wow.  I did not know that.  Could you please tell me, oh fool, exactly which law she violated?

Did not think so.

You're the only fool, fool.

This one, if she's in a tax-payer supported position like say, oh a public school teacher.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,10:48   

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You're the only fool, fool.

"I know you are -- but what am I?"

Bravo, William.

Hey, BTW, William, did Sternberg get fired from anything?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,11:12   

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You should check out my latest post, however, in which I describe a My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!) .

It will be enough to get the NCSE and their minor thugs worked up.

William, you fool, it just so happens that's illegal. †To save everyone the trouble, here's what this "wonderful" teacher is doing:

Illegal? †Wow. †I did not know that. †Could you please tell me, oh fool, exactly which law she violated?

Did not think so.

You're the only fool, fool.

Trick question. Is the school a public school or a Christian school? Did the teacher own the book, or did she vandalize school property?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,11:44   

Did this teacher perform this ahem correction shall we say during the regularly scheduled morning armed robbery, or perhaps she penciled these witty remarks during the morning while silently drowning puppies?

dub dub I am still waiting to hear who fired da Sternberg.  SEems like you are all tard.  Disappointing, it's a lot better for us when you actually explain your ideas.  See, then we get to point how you are wrong and why, and perhaps you learn something.  Probably not, because you are a fucktard independent of your addiction to bearded thundergod tarding about with the speed of light and Teh Big Ol Bad Omnibenevolent Flud.

Shall we join Paul and hope that your knife slips?  too late, you have already spread the tard.  Heres to hoping your kids wake up and realize how stupid their old man is someday, Angst For You dub dub.  Teenage years should be fun.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,13:52   

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Trick question. Is the school a public school or a Christian school? Did the teacher own the book, or did she vandalize school property?

Yeah, I think Wee Willy is jacking us around. Nowhere in any of his ditherings does he indicate that he would actually send his kid to a public school. It's not illegal to teach your kid how to be stupid in a "faith-based" school. But it could backfire on him eventually...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,14:54   

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Where can god be reached for a fight?


Mount Olympus?

Oh sorry, wrong god.

Never mind.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:26   

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Illegal?  Wow.  I did not know that.  Could you please tell me, oh fool, exactly which law she violated?

Did not think so.

You're the only fool, fool.

See William, this is your problem:  you call people names without backing evidence.  On the other hand, as if you hadn't provided ample support for it before, you just proved you are indeed a fool.  I'm going to quote Arden again: Cool. Nice to have that established.

(edited: left the 'to' off an infinitive)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:37   

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Trick question. Is the school a public school or a Christian school? Did the teacher own the book, or did she vandalize school property?

Yeah, I think Wee Willy is jacking us around. Nowhere in any of his ditherings does he indicate that he would actually send his kid to a public school. It's not illegal to teach your kid how to be stupid in a "faith-based" school. But it could backfire on him eventually...

I don't know.  Just the sheer amount of gloating indicates that WW feels this is some sort of victory against the forces of materialism.  Seems doubtful he'd be crowing over a Christian teacher in a Christian school.  See, here:
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Note: Many states have spawn NCĒSĒE organizations, also known as ď<your-state> Citizens for ĎscienceĎ Education.Ē In Minnesota, we have one such atheist shill group, Minnesota Citizens for Science Education set up in cooperation with the National Center for Darwinian Education, with dangerous brass knuckle and steel toed boot wielding militant atheists on their advisory boards. Since members of the PT-mafia are known to monitor this blog, I am protecting the identity of this Christian first grade teacher.

But to the PT-mafia I do say, ďna na na na na na.Ē :)

Christian first grade teachers still exist!

And they are not afraid to share their faith.

Praise God!!!!


Seems to me the whole point is this teacher is a latter day version of the brave Christians of yore defying the edicts of Rome.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:09   

William,

Did you miss this?  I can't imagine a person as up to the minute on the affairs of law and creationism as you are could have missed this!

It was a federal case and everything!  Over 3 years old now.  Someone already tried to put stickers on books.  Damn if it didn't work.

Can't put a sticker there, boyo!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,19:19   

Albatrossity2 wrote above:

Yeah, I think Wee Willy is jacking us around. Nowhere in any of his ditherings does he indicate that he would actually send his kid to a public school. It's not illegal to teach your kid how to be stupid in a "faith-based" school. But it could backfire on him eventually...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,19:33   

I wrote this on the "Unreasonable Kansans" thread, but it bears repeating here, for obvious reasons.  :)

The biggest joke is that Wet Wally is evidently from or in Minnesota.  It's a cruel sort of joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Please don't imagine for an instant that he represents Minnesota or Minnesotans in any way.  Because I was born there and spent most of my life there, I can honestly write that even Minnesota has its "vocal but tiny and tard minority" that constantly ruin things for the rest of us.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,20:31   

Well, the best part is that, whether Willy is telling the truth or no, either way the theory that he's a jackass is confirmed.

You know, it's funny, but I've got a blue-fronted amazon parrot named Willy, and he talks a lot of nonsense interspersed with random pejoratives too.  I should try to teach him to say "evolander" and "goddidit".

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,21:32   

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Well, the best part is that, whether Willy is telling the truth or no, either way the theory that he's a jackass is confirmed.

You know, it's funny, but I've got a blue-fronted amazon parrot named Willy, and he talks a lot of nonsense interspersed with random pejoratives too. †I should try to teach him to say "evolander" and "goddidit".

I'm guessing that your parrot is too smart to fall for those lines.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,22:39   

If you can get a video of a parrot saying "evolander" onto youtube I think we'd all get a good hearty laugh out of that.

More to the point we wouldn't need wee Willy Wallace anymore.  Evolander is really the only unique thing he says... what's that, Keith says it too?

Okay...  well, still, my opinion stands.  I mean you could ask the parrot who fired Sternberg and get exactly the same response as well.

You could also probably train a parrot to say:
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,23:42   

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I wrote this on the "Unreasonable Kansans" thread, but it bears repeating here, for obvious reasons.  :)

The biggest joke is that Wet Wally is evidently from or in Minnesota.  It's a cruel sort of joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Please don't imagine for an instant that he represents Minnesota or Minnesotans in any way.  Because I was born there and spent most of my life there, I can honestly write that even Minnesota has its "vocal but tiny and tard minority" that constantly ruin things for the rest of us.

Are you in the group Minnesota Atheists for "Science" Education?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,23:48   

All the stuff on the thread of substance and you choose to comment on Atheists in Minnesota.  Are you even pretending like you're interested in science, William?

1.  Was Sternberg fired?
2.  Are you aware that it is illegal to put creationist stickers on textbooks?  If not, what's your excuse for not knowing this?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,23:55   

Sorry, WW, but as President-for-Life of the Darwinian Pressure Group, Delta Pi Gamma, I must insist that you answer questions already on the table before asking new questions or making new statements.

Therefore, you are hereby retained and co-joined from making further utterments on any subject until said above interrogatives have been de-interrogatized.

Thank you for your cooperation.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:02   

An aside that you can answer AFTER:

1.  Was Sternberg fired?

and

2.  Why don't you know that it is illegal to put creationist stickers on science textbooks?

ahem,  Does Jesus know you're avatar is flipping people off?

and

Does that make him cry?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:07   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 07 2008,21:42)
Quote (jeffox @ May 07 2008,19:33)
I wrote this on the "Unreasonable Kansans" thread, but it bears repeating here, for obvious reasons. †:)

The biggest joke is that Wet Wally is evidently from or in Minnesota. †It's a cruel sort of joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Please don't imagine for an instant that he represents Minnesota or Minnesotans in any way. †Because I was born there and spent most of my life there, I can honestly write that even Minnesota has its "vocal but tiny and tard minority" that constantly ruin things for the rest of us.

Are you in the group Minnesota Atheists for "Science" Education?

Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:15   

I'm in 'Chicago tards for gratuitous scare-quotes.'

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:17   

I see Willy Wally is with us right now....

*raises hand*

What's the scientific theory of ID?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:17   

Blipey's right. Billy's new avatar makes Baby Jesus cry.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:36   

I'm guessing that bird was meant for me.  So, William 'bout that image host:
   
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Badera.us
Thanks to Google's Apps for Your Domain, I'm now able to offer members of the Badera family free Google GMail accounts and associated services using the badera.us domain.

Are you indeed a member of clan Badera, or are you just jacking their bandwidth too?  I mean, you're in Minnesota, and white, going by your blog. The domain registrant is in the great state of NY (oooh, the spooky magic of the "whois" command), and presumably of hispanic ancestry.  Not saying you maybe didn't marry in or something,  I just find it.....unlikely.

Now, technically, if you're willing to accept common descent, you guys are related.  Still, rather shaky justification there.  Best to GO GET YOUR OWN DAMN IMAGE HOSTING ACCOUNT somewhere.

Of course, if you are truly related to Mr. Badera in the colloquial sense, then, on this issue at least, you're in the ethical clear.  That leaves only...um, yeah, I kinda lost count there.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,00:45   

Quote (blipey @ May 07 2008,22:02)
An aside that you can answer AFTER:

ahem,  Does Jesus know you're avatar is flipping people off?

and

Does that make him cry?

I'm thinkin' what Jesus would do in this situation would be to execute whatever the equivalent of flipping someone off is if you're a 1st century mediterranean Jewish peasant.  I seem to recall something about him not being too keen on hypocrites who cloak themselves in piety.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,01:18   

Oooh. OK, WW said:
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Blipey,

Stick around. I have a post on the scientific method in the works. Should tick the evolanders off.



 William's promised post on the Scientific Method is up.  Unfortunately, it's just a linked vid from that What You Ought To Know Guy.

Can't say after watching it I'm all that pissed off.  He's got some bits right, but he falls prey to common misconceptions about the nature and practice of science.  Thanks for providing another example of how the educational system isn't doing all it can to communicate the reality of the scientific enterprise to children, leaving them ill-equipped to judge the worth of a theory in their adult life, William.  Not really necessary, but you meant well...right?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,04:26   

Quote (didymos @ May 08 2008,00:45)
† † † †  
Quote (blipey @ May 07 2008,22:02)
An aside that you can answer AFTER:

ahem, †Does Jesus know you're avatar is flipping people off?

and

Does that make him cry?

I'm thinkin' what Jesus would do in this situation would be to execute whatever the equivalent of flipping someone off is if you're a 1st century mediterranean Jewish peasant. †I seem to recall something about him not being too keen on hypocrites who cloak themselves in piety.


Don't know, maybe this is a bad idea, but I got to thinking, and I can see that image in my mind: Jesus (the robed, bearded character we all know and respect) - with his finger raised.

Religious bigots and hypocrites can't help themselves. It happens all the time, we know them by their fruits:

While I am certain WW would characterize me in the best creationist tardition as a damn atheist Darwinist liar, I can only state my most sincere response to his display of bad taste: It really pissed me off!

One of my "guru's" used this 'metaphor': When you are pointing a finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back towards yourself. †Our friend Jesus is on record with a more poetic way of expressing the same eternal truth.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,04:44   

Typo unintentional, left on purpose.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,06:02   

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Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late.


I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed !

;)

Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,07:47   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,06:02)
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Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late.


I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed !

;)

Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe

Shocked!  Shocked, I say.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,08:14   

What the hell is it with creationists and lists?  I swear, if I was more serious about this I could easily run out of hard drive space.

It seems William Wallace has banned me (maybe just from one thread) because he can't answer questions.  So, a la Ftk, here's his list:

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WW says:  
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Blipey, no bait and switch, and no trying to co-opt what I said in the first place, and then pretending that I did not say it.

(WW pulling a Wesley) Blipey and PvM are done on this thread.


I did no bait and switch.  Nor did I co-opt what you said.  If you'd like to point out exactly where I did this, I'll retract this statement.

WW, you made the claim that Brahe discounted Copernican models in order to point out that science doesn't seek truth.  My response was to show how your model is flawed.  I co-opted nothing; I showed flaws.  I explained how the search for better models is indeed a search for truth.

YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO RESPOND.

In fact, you have only answered one question on this thread: "Are you sympathetic to YEC?".  What's the matter?  Is it too hard for little William Wallace to answer a few questions.  And, if he can't answer them, well, it's time to censor people?

Nicely done, creationists.  That is the one skill in which creationists are world-class: BANANATION!!!11!ONE!!!!

Just so you remember what the discussion thread has been if you ever get around to C&Ping some answers:

1. What was your Sunday School teacher wrong about?

2. Why doesn't it matter that he/she was wrong about this?

3. Is it because he/she was spreading the faith and that makes any errors okay?

4. Which individual "smart people" who were wrong did you and your son talk about?

5. Are Walt Brown and Ken Ham on this list?  (This last is from a comment that wasn't allowed to go through).

6. What happens when a creator's words and works conflict?  (Your response to tis question failed to answer it--in fact, it poo-pooed the idea that there might even be differences that matter.)

7. Why does science continually seek better models?

8. What do you think observation and experimentation are for?

9. Is this related to truth?

Just so everyone knows who exactly is shutting down conversation and why, I'll cross-post this to AtBC.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,08:59   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,04:02)
 
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Better be going to bed, William. Tomorrow's a school day and you know how mad your mom gets when you stay up too late.


I'm 51 Arden and my "mom" still tells me when to go to bed !

;)

Still, William hasn't answered any of my questions on the overwhelming evidence for an ancient Earth/universe


He won't, either. We have another FTK/VMartin. He'll find the time for insults, but he'll ignore 90% of our questions. This will make him feel very clever.

Is Willy a young earther?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,09:59   

Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,10:25   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59)
Even his new icon is dumb. †Not even as rough as Louis's old one. †Now that was edgy!

The Penn Jillette one?

I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,10:52   

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Shocked!  Shocked, I say.


I should have added that it's only when I visit home  These days it's my wife who complains that I stay up too late.   ???  

It's funny though that parents still treat you as their little boy even though you are quite old. It's not just me either as I see the same thing in other people and others tell me it happens to them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:01   

Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59)
Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy!

The Penn Jillette one?

I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion.

Louis

Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW.

A true classic.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:05   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,17:01)
Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59)
Even his new icon is dumb. †Not even as rough as Louis's old one. †Now that was edgy!

The Penn Jillette one?

I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion.

Louis

Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW.

A true classic.

Incidentally, have we heard anything substantive yet from good old William Wallace? If we do, can someone wake me for the the second reel, I hate it when I dribble into my popcorn halfway through a creationist dismembering.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:08   

Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,09:59)
Even his new icon is dumb. †Not even as rough as Louis's old one. †Now that was edgy!

If you guys should ever hold an American Avatar Idol I would have to vote for J-Dog's. Although K.E.'s (before he became K.E..) was darn good too.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:12   

Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:05)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,17:01)
Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,10:25)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2008,15:59)
Even his new icon is dumb.  Not even as rough as Louis's old one.  Now that was edgy!

The Penn Jillette one?

I still have that. I'm saving it for a special occasion.

Louis

Yes, it was Penn passing on a personal heartfelt, and well-deserved message for WW.

A true classic.

Incidentally, have we heard anything substantive yet from good old William Wallace? If we do, can someone wake me for the the second reel, I hate it when I dribble into my popcorn halfway through a creationist dismembering.

Louis

I think young Master Debater WW lacks the staying power of a true-believer like FTK or sceptic.  

Kids today.  What are you going to do?  I recall... seems just like yesterday... fighting the Fundamentalists both on the way to school and the way home from school, even in the rain and snow.  WE had to dodge bibles, and old ladies saying prayers at us too.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:15   

Blipey,

Why do you and your ilk think that creationists must answer every question you ask?

You might make more headway if you and your ilk were less hostile.

For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.

But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:22   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15)
Blipey,

Why do you and your ilk think that creationists must answer every question you ask?

You might make more headway if you and your ilk were less hostile.

For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.

But keep it up. †Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.

AW, YOU EVOWANDERS IS SO MEEEEEEEEN!!!!!


So, Willy, who first 'coined' evolander?

Did Sternberg get fired from anything?

How old do you think the earth is?

What do you think the 'theory' of ID is?

(I see your avatar is still making Baby Jesus cry. †:( )

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:26   

Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
:(

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:28   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26)
Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
:(

Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:30   

[quote=William Wallace] †  
Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15)
But keep it up. †Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.


Hey, not true! The only place I hang out more that PT mafia sites is this site (that's jayski not dembski) .

I have a vague recollection that it was supposed to be a good thing to be friends with sinners--that someone set such a precedent...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:30   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,11:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26)
Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
:(

Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk. †This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

This blog is chokablock full of scientists, Willy - and has a big readership. I'm wondering if you think ID is science?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:35   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26)
Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
:(

Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk. †This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

Why exactly are you afraid to answer questions here?

Does the Mister Tough Guy attitude put forth by your avatar mean NOTHING?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:39   

I hope Willy's not like Kevin Miller where he wants to talk about talking about science.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:44   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,17:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26)
Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
:(

Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk. †This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

I call bullshit. YOU came HERE. YOU came to PT. You want to talk science, we're all ears, eyes, typing fingers and brains*. Go for it.

What's the problem with posting your devastaingly profound science right here. If you think it will be altered without your permission (which it won't) keep a copy and post it to your blog. If we nasty, evil, evolutionist, Nazi lovers (or whatever your fanatasy about us is) do anything untoward, you then have a written record of it. If we deal with it perfectly fairly (which we will I guarantee you) then you get to expose our horribly flawed science with your amazingly powerful critiques and evidence. Win-win for you, right?

Of course if you want to play the standard creationist two step and shuffle, then you will be mocked endlessly and mercilessly.

Tell you what, we're occasionally cynical and mean, we've seen your sort before, perhaps we've wronged you, perhaps we've jumped to a false positive with out "creationist shithead detectors". Perhaps we haven't. How about you make the first move, forgive us our presumption, frivolity and mockery and present some science.

My guess is not only that you won't, but that you can't. Stop making excuses and prove me, and everyone else here, wrong.

Louis

ETA * Which reminds me, I owe two proper posts, as opposed to two posts of Mornington Crescent/knob jokes/lolcats/abuse etc. Fuck it, I'll have to find some time this week.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:47   

He's already gone, no surprise:

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What? No one with 'Viagra' in their name? WTF???

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:49   

Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,17:30)
[quote=William Wallace] † †
Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,09:15)
But keep it up. †Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.


Hey, not true! The only place I hang out more that PT mafia sites is this site (that's jayski not dembski) .

I have a vague recollection that it was supposed to be a good thing to be friends with sinners--that someone set such a precedent...

Sinners?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.

You have no idea.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:50   

I'm always amused when supposedly conservative folks like Dembski and Stein play the victim card. When did this start, and when did it become the dominant mode of anti-science argument?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:51   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2008,11:47)
He's already gone, no surprise:

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What? No one with 'Viagra' in their name? WTF???

Hope that wasn't a drive-by trolling!

???

http://www.ex-designz.net/englishmidis/nowplaying.asp?mid=691

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:55   

Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49)
Sinners?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.

You have no idea.

Louis

All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,11:58   

Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,12:55)
Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49)
Sinners?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.

You have no idea.

Louis

All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots.

Well that's a terribly unfair association.  Prostitution is a perfectly honorable profession.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:09   

Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity..."

If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:10   

Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,17:55)
Quote (Louis @ May 08 2008,11:49)
Sinners?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.

You have no idea.

Louis

All that matters is that you reach the level of tax collectors and/or harlots.

Hmmm it'll be a tough ask, but I'll try. I've never stopped "sinning"* long enough to make it up to "tax collector".

Louis

* Although I'm willing to bet we have wildly different views about not only what constitutes "sin" but even whether such a thing exists or such a concept is useful.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:12   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,10:09)
Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity..."

If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over
.

Why are you afraid to answer questions here?

No one's 'banning' you, Wally, strut your stuff!

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Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity..."

If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over.

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I saw that comming.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:23   

If you do go "over there" you will be treated to such gems as this:

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For example, the oft-repeated idea that an object of a specified size and shape dropped from a specified height in a vacuum will take an amount of time to fall that is independent of the dropped objectís mass is simply untrue. But it is a useful approximation, and widely considered to be ďtrueĒ even among the scientifically educated.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:25   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,13:19)
Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,12:09)
Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity..."

If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over.

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I saw that comming.

To be fair, my own blogs are set to put all first time commenters in moderation until their first comment is approved.  (After that, they can post at will.)

It's a spam prevention measure, as Akismet is not 100% accurate.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:26   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,18:09)
Well, if you click on my homepage, you'll see I have a new post "Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity..."

If you'd like discuss science and the scientific method, come on over.

No, no, I'm comfortable where I am. Thanks anyway. I have little interest in increasing hits/traffic to your insignificant vanity blog. Any arsehole can blog, to be blunt.

If YOU come to a blog/message board, make big claims, make important sounding "scientific" pronouncements, it falls to YOU to support them. Otherwise you will be mocked, fairly mercilessly to be honest. That's why you need to answer the questions people are asking you, because you claim that you have the answers.

Get on with it or shut up.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,12:37   

William Wallered
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Experimentationís major value is quality control on the hypothesis or theory. Experimentation attempts to identify bad hypotheses and theories by attempting to falsify them. Ancillary to quality control, observations made during experimentation can also be used to generate additional hypotheses and theories.


that is pure genius billy bally.  i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.  

comment awaiting moderation.
sigh.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:02   

This crowd's fear to come discuss science at a science blog is duly noted.  

I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.

Oh well, take care.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:03   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2008,12:23)
If you do go "over there" you will be treated to such gems as this:

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For example, the oft-repeated idea that an object of a specified size and shape dropped from a specified height in a vacuum will take an amount of time to fall that is independent of the dropped objectís mass is simply untrue. But it is a useful approximation, and widely considered to be ďtrueĒ even among the scientifically educated.

It is a gem, thanks.  Come on over to discuss further, if you dare.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:07   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,13:03)
It is a gem, thanks.  Come on over to discuss further, if you dare.

We are already here and so are you. I am beginning to think that you are skeered to be in a forum where you don't control the conversation.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:09   

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This crowd's fear to come discuss science at a science blog is duly noted.  

Could you state, as there is some confusion, your moderation policy? Will you, after the first comment is held for approval allow unmoderated comments?
   
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I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.

You asked that this thread was created. Oddly, I don't see any posts of yours here that are also being crossposted to PT. I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.
   
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Oh well, take care.

Sir Robin ran away!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:13   

Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:14   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,11:02)
This crowd's fear to come discuss science at a science blog is duly noted. †

I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.

Oh well, take care
.

Wally, your terror of answering questions here is 'duly noted'.

And expected.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:15   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,13:03)
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2008,12:23)
If you do go "over there" you will be treated to such gems as this:

 
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For example, the oft-repeated idea that an object of a specified size and shape dropped from a specified height in a vacuum will take an amount of time to fall that is independent of the dropped objectís mass is simply untrue. But it is a useful approximation, and widely considered to be ďtrueĒ even among the scientifically educated.

It is a gem, thanks. †Come on over to discuss further, if you dare.

Why do you want so dearly to do it at your place? Aren't we fine over here? No banning and stuff like that, no post deletion (although some posts can be moved, but not deleted). Really, we cŠn we friendly folks.
Also, we don't want to just discuss science. Some people already asked some questions, that would prevent nasty mix-ups and stuff like that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:16   

Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,13:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.
Whatever it turns out to be I wonder how that'll be spun into but see ID coulllddd be right

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:19   

Wally insults people, makes wild unsupported assertions, and refuses to defend his assertions or answer completely justifiable questions. He's a coward and doesn't deserve a free ride. His attempts to drag the conversation over to his little wading pool where he can control who gets to talk are transparent, tho completely typical of Creationists.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:21   

And in any case Wally, it's us that lures people like you here, not the other way round! You musta missed the memo eh?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:26   

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For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.


Likewise, when I posted my views on Christianstair som,e time ago I received some very vile comments (calle deverything from an Atheist to the Devil's deciple)

From William's blog:
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Likewise, I guess that heliocentricism would have died a death even without Kepler, Galileo, et al.


Likewise, evolution would have been proposed by someone else if Darwin hadn't. Alfred Russel Wallace for example. You can't suppress the truth, no matter how you try:

http://www.outersystem.us/creationism/

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:43   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,13:26)
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For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.


Likewise, when I posted my views on Christianstair som,e time ago I received some very vile comments (calle deverything from an Atheist to the Devil's deciple)

From William's blog:
 
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Likewise, I guess that heliocentricism would have died a death even without Kepler, Galileo, et al.


Likewise, evolution would have been proposed by someone else if Darwin hadn't. Alfred Russel Wallace for example. You can't suppress the truth, no matter how you try:

http://www.outersystem.us/creationism/

Too bad about your treatment.  With a tip of the hat to Evolution Engineered, here is a post Civility that I plan to read.


Also, some do call it the Darwin/Wallace theory of evolution.  I guess this will catch on eventually.

Regarding your "You can't suppress the truth, no matter how you try:"  

The fact that different people come up with the same idea, or similar ideas, independently makes it true, to you?

By this I conclude that only one person though they could turn lead into gold, and shared this idea with countless others.  Because if two different people had this notion independently, it would be true?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:56   

Willy Wally,
most of us have learned our lesson about writing detailed posts that then don't go through on creationist's blogs (FtK, for example). So we comment here. Plus, with instant promotion of posts (ie no moderation), conversational iterations can be quicker and more productive.

Thanks for understanding.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:57   

Well, Wally, since you can't seem to stay away, how about answering questions, finally? Might help raise your stock around here.

my personal preferences:

1) what is the 'theory of ID'?

2) what was Sternberg fired from?

3) how old do you think the Earth is?

Others feel free to suggest their own personal favorites.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,13:57   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 08 2008,13:16)
Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,13:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.
Whatever it turns out to be I wonder how that'll be spun into but see ID coulllddd be right

I'm always impressed by the argument from incompleteness of science in the fifteenth decimal place.

Must mean we're no kin to monkeys.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,14:02   

Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2008,13:57)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 08 2008,13:16)
Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,13:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.
Whatever it turns out to be I wonder how that'll be spun into but see ID coulllddd be right

I'm always impressed by the argument from incompleteness of science in the fifteenth decimal place.

Must mean we're no kin to monkeys.

Is that a retraction?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,14:11   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,14:02)
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2008,13:57)
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Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,13:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.
Whatever it turns out to be I wonder how that'll be spun into but see ID coulllddd be right

I'm always impressed by the argument from incompleteness of science in the fifteenth decimal place.

Must mean we're no kin to monkeys.

Is that a retraction?

Didn't god make us and monkeys?
Isn't that the same father?
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,14:19   

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Sadly, I think it is reasonable to suspect an agenda might be behind the event. Normalizing cross dressing and getting students used to seeing boys dressed as girls will certainly be viewed as a perk by some ďprogressiveĒ elements. Obviously, school administrators will deny any agenda, or that long term benefits to the homosexual/transgender movements played a role in approving the event.

Against the cross dressers huh Willy? Might lead to dancing huh?

http://blog.coincidencetheories.com/?p=182

Willy later clarifies:
 
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The parents of elementary school students should decide if and when students should be introduced to the subject of persons confused about their gender.


And William, when you introduce that concept to your children what exactly will you be saying? Will you be condemning it? Neutral? Praising it? What?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,15:21   

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The fact that different people come up with the same idea, or similar ideas, independently makes it true, to you?


Whether or not different people think an idea is true is really irrelevant William. It's the evidence that really counts. Darwin's theories have been confirmed by all sorts of new evidence which he could not have known about (the discovery of DNA for example). †

Incidentally, have you read Philip Kitcher's "Abusing science....the case against creationism". Well worh reading as it deals with the point you've raised.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,15:54   

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I'm always amused when supposedly conservative folks like Dembski and Stein play the victim card. When did this start, and when did it become the dominant mode of anti-science argument?

About 2000 years ago, give or take.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,15:58   

oh no didy it is much older than that.  christ was just the new abraham and all that.  self immolation is as ancient as the 6000 year old Cumberland Plateau.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,16:02   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,11:02)
This crowd's fear to come discuss science at a science blog is duly noted.  

I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.

Oh well, take care.

Science blog?

Doubtful:
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We are dedicated to publishing content that is generally discouraged elsewhere because it does not toe the official line. Originally interested in historical and political coincidences, but also other subjects such as academic freedom, suppression of dissent in biology, intelligent design, Theory of Evolution, and vaccines.


You left out roller-skating, the homosexual agenda, teachers who violate the law and behave unethically, crap from Gerry Rzeppa, et cetera.

(edited to remove that damn apostrophe I'm always adding)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,16:13   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 08 2008,12:19)
 
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Sadly, I think it is reasonable to suspect an agenda might be behind the event. Normalizing cross dressing and getting students used to seeing boys dressed as girls will certainly be viewed as a perk by some ďprogressiveĒ elements. Obviously, school administrators will deny any agenda, or that long term benefits to the homosexual/transgender movements played a role in approving the event.

Against the cross dressers huh Willy? Might lead to dancing huh?

http://blog.coincidencetheories.com/?p=182

Willy later clarifies:
   
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The parents of elementary school students should decide if and when students should be introduced to the subject of persons confused about their gender.


And William, when you introduce that concept to your children what exactly will you be saying? Will you be condemning it? Neutral? Praising it? What?

William, schools have been having "Cross-Dressing" days for years.  My middle school had a whole week of different costume days: 60s day, Cross-dressing day, etc.  On evil-acclimating-children-to-transvestites/transgendered day, all the guys spent their time mercilessly mocking one another over what ugly chicks they made. Come to think of it, so did the girls. I also didn't note any subsequent decline in homophobic remarks in the ensuing years.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,16:23   

I find that the most rabidly homophobic folks are usually trying to hide their closet door.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,16:25   

I've witnessed quite a lot of cross-dressing in B.B. displays, even as recently as last Tuesday evening.

The school I went to (an all boys school by the way) often had cross-dressing in the school play.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,17:48   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ May 08 2008,14:25)
I've witnessed quite a lot of cross-dressing in B.B. displays, even as recently as last Tuesday evening.

The school I went to (an all boys school by the way) often had cross-dressing in the school play.

Well of course, that's from being in Britain, right? † †;)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,18:04   

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Well of course, that's from being in Britain, right?


Belfast believe it or not Arden. The first part of the UK to legalise civil parterships.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangefield_High_School

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,19:55   

"Dubya" Wallace did ask:

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Are you in the group Minnesota Atheists for "Science" Education?


No, I'm not.  But I'm not in the group known as Westboro Babtist Church, either.

Later on, Little Willy whined:

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For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.

But keep it up.  Christians listen to KKMS, and don't much frequent AtBC or other PT-mafia hangouts, but they do listen when Jeff mentions the behavior of evolanders on KKMS.


Nobody in the metro or anywhere else in Minnesota cares what Jeff Snell thinks.  KKMS has a listenership of about 100 to 200 in its entire broadcast range.  KQRS has >10,000 car-radio listeners alone, at any given time, year-round.  

Way to marginalize your cause, Willy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,20:18   

Little Willie tries some odd logic:

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The fact that different people come up with the same idea, or similar ideas, independently makes it true, to you?

By this I conclude that only one person though they could turn lead into gold, and shared this idea with countless others.  Because if two different people had this notion independently, it would be true?


It doesn't matter who does or doesn't have the idea, or how many do or don't.  What matters is the reality of the situation.  Two plus two always equals four, no matter how many times the pope or President say otherwise, or how many people agree with them or not.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,20:52   

Quote (jeffox @ May 08 2008,17:55)

Later on, Little Willy whined:

† †
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For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.



OK, "Phartngula" is straight outta the Dembskiian School of Comedy. †But 'OZ'? †Are you saying PZ is the great and powerful OZ of Evoland? †Would you like to ask him for a brain? †Or are you comparing him to the other well known OZ, a.k.a He-who-urinates-on-Texan-historical-landmarks?



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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,21:13   

Didymos wrote:

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Quote (jeffox @ May 08 2008,17:55)

Later on, Little Willy whined:

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For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.  




OK, "Phartngula" is straight outta the Dembskiian School of Comedy.  But 'OZ'?  Are you saying PZ is the great and powerful OZ of Evoland?  Would you like to ask him for a brain?  Or are you comparing him to the other well known OZ, a.k.a He-who-urinates-on-Texan-historical-landmarks?



I thought that that was just an accidental application of the FTK head-up-the-butt school of typing/editing.    :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,21:36   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,13:03)
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2008,12:23)
If you do go "over there" you will be treated to such gems as this:

 
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For example, the oft-repeated idea that an object of a specified size and shape dropped from a specified height in a vacuum will take an amount of time to fall that is independent of the dropped objectís mass is simply untrue. But it is a useful approximation, and widely considered to be ďtrueĒ even among the scientifically educated.

It is a gem, thanks. †Come on over to discuss further, if you dare.

Mr. Wallace, I was looking forward to responses
to my post on "The Scientific Method". last night.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,21:50   

Quote (jeffox @ May 08 2008,19:13)
Didymos wrote:

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Quote (jeffox @ May 08 2008,17:55)

Later on, Little Willy whined:

   Quote  
For example, Jeff Snell on KKMS yesterday mentioned the vile treatment he received over at OZ Myer's Phartngula.  




OK, "Phartngula" is straight outta the Dembskiian School of Comedy.  But 'OZ'?  Are you saying PZ is the great and powerful OZ of Evoland?  Would you like to ask him for a brain?  Or are you comparing him to the other well known OZ, a.k.a He-who-urinates-on-Texan-historical-landmarks?



I thought that that was just an accidental application of the FTK head-up-the-butt school of typing/editing.    :)

Dude, stop harshing my vibe with your parsimony.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,22:45   

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Mr. Wallace, I was looking forward to responses
to my post on "The Scientific Method". last night.

Zero

Could you post it again, I am not sure you hit the submit button, unless some filter got it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,22:51   

Willy Wally!

Is ID science?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,22:53   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,11:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,11:26)
Willy Wally doesn't want to talk science.
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Sure I do, come to my blog and let's talk.  This place is not about science, but about defending an ideology.

Look WW, it's very simple.  Why do I think you should answer every question I ask?  Well, truth be told, because YOU fucking started it.  You wander in saying things like the above.  You claim to want to talk about the science.

Yet, when someone even tangentially mentions science, you cry foul, run to your mama, your preacher, or your God and claim that you are being persecuted.

It's not that you don't answer ALL of the questions, William.

It's that you don't really bother to answer ANY of them.  After a few days of a jackass claiming to want to discuss a thing while simultaneously refusing to answer even the most basic questions relating to that thing, what happens?

Well, it becomes obvious that the jackass has no intention of ever discussing the matter he claims to care so deeply about.  At that point, William, the jackass, Wallace becomes fair game.  Since he obviously isn't going to participate in even entry-level discussion, the more questions the better--the better to show off his ass-ish nature.

So, that's why the list of questions.  As we told Ftk some time ago, if you'd take 2 of the minutes you spend on the stupid shit and answer a question as it comes up, you'd avoid a few things: the backlog, the idiot label, a total lack of respect, etc.

Of course, you can't muster the time to answer a simple yes/no question such as, "Was Sternberg fired?"

But you can spend endless hours producing shit like:

"Of course I want to talk about science; just come over to my place."

Your place is the same place where you answered not one question about science and threaten to ban the people who ask you about science.

What a fucking twat.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,22:58   

Quote (blipey @ May 08 2008,22:53)
Of course, you can't muster the time to answer a simple yes/no question such as, "Was Sternberg fired?"

But you can spend endless hours producing shit like:

"Of course I want to talk about science; just come over to my place."

First, you already know the answer to the question about Sternberg.  Second, it is not a scientific question.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:03   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,20:58)
Quote (blipey @ May 08 2008,22:53)
Of course, you can't muster the time to answer a simple yes/no question such as, "Was Sternberg fired?"

But you can spend endless hours producing shit like:

"Of course I want to talk about science; just come over to my place."

First, you already know the answer to the question about Sternberg.  Second, it is not a scientific question.

Yeah, well, neither is "Who is the Designer?" or "How much CSI does a tedious troll contain?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:04   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,22:51)
Willy Wally!

Is ID science?

If you do some homework, you might find this:

A review of Expelled, part 1

The answer is in there somewhere.

Of course, that is just my opinion, I am new to studying ID.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:06   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,21:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,22:51)
Willy Wally!

Is ID science?

If you do some homework, you might find this:

A review of Expelled, part 1

The answer is in there somewhere.

Of course, that is just my opinion, I am new to studying ID.

Opinions are like William Wallaces: everybody's got one.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:12   

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Of course, that is just my opinion, I am new to studying ID.

Let me save you some time.

Goddidit.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:24   

crossposted from WWs playpen (it's easier here WW)
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WW thanks for posting the comment. †that will <b>always</b> happen without edit on your thread at ATBC.

jake, i read the piece. †the assertion that evolutionary biology is an exercise in confirmation bias is an empirical claim. †it should be trivial for WW to demonstrate how this is so. †

we strongly desire to hear WW's alternative explanations, free from conservapeadiean confirmation bias, worldblog worldview pollution, uncommonly dense teleological confusion, or standard young earth fundie pomo relativism.

it is dangerous indeed when the currency of scientific explanation becomes a practice in rhetoric. †bitching about parsimony and approximate truths is all fine and good when you are preaching to your youth group. †what is your solution?


this is new


WW do tell what kind of research program ID is, per your Expelled comment linked in about four comments up. †I am dying to hear. †Does Lakatos really support you here my degenerative friend? †do you just toss buzz words around? †dude?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:25   

Perhaps you could be bothered to explain why YOU think ID is science?  Links are great, your own words are a tad bit better.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:28   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,22:58)
Quote (blipey @ May 08 2008,22:53)
Of course, you can't muster the time to answer a simple yes/no question such as, "Was Sternberg fired?"

But you can spend endless hours producing shit like:

"Of course I want to talk about science; just come over to my place."

First, you already know the answer to the question about Sternberg.  Second, it is not a scientific question.

I suppose not, but I believe it came up in conversation.  Is there a particular reason you can't get yourself to type the answer?

What about this; is this one scientific?

HOW OLD IS THE FLIPPIN' EARTH?

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:35   

This amuses me.

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This is the place that off-topic, tendentious, and/or especially evil spirited comments end up. At least for a period of time.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:38   

blipey in case you were wondering, here is what willy walla tags 'science' in his pram.


Observations, experimentation, Occamís razor, and gravity
Thursday, May 8th, 2008


The Scientific Method
Thursday, May 8th, 2008

My sonís first grade teacher (God Bless Her!)
Tuesday, May 6th, 2008

Applied Darwinism in NAZI Germany
Monday, April 28th, 2008

Big brotherís DNA bank: government genetic testing
Tuesday, April 1st, 2008

So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright?
Tuesday, March 11th, 2008

Aborted fetal cell line vaccines
Monday, March 10th, 2008

ALL SCIENCE SO FAR

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(Permalink) Posted: May 08 2008,23:49   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,23:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2008,22:51)
Willy Wally!

Is ID science?

If you do some homework, you might find this:

A review of Expelled, part 1

The answer is in there somewhere.

Of course, that is just my opinion, I am new to studying ID.

Willy Wally!

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As for I.D., I view it as a valid criticism of evolution, and a research program. I donít think it is yet science, though the scientific method can be used to pursue I.D.




How do we pursue it? What do we research?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,00:17   

There's a perfectly lovely place for comments that get bounced from PT (and the responses thereto).



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,00:26   

Didymos wrote:
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Dude, stop harshing my vibe with your parsimony.

Whoa, I didn't even know I had one of those. . .  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,00:40   

Every time Little Willy posts, it's like the circus is in town.  (Shakes the monkey cage to get WW all riled up.)  Oh, ya ya quite the geek show, lemme tell ya.

No, really, guys, you gotta ask WW questions that he can actually answer, like this one:

Hey, Willy-boy. . . is the WWF real?  I know these little old ladies that say for sure it's real.  What's your take?  Ya know, I especially liked it when George (the animal) Steele bit into that turnbuckle.  Woo hoo!!  Such fun.

and this one:

What's your favorite dive in the Hennepin & Lake St. area?  Been spending much time there lately?  or are you normally this hungover?  Just asking. . .

Back into your cage now.  Yes, the one with the sign that says, "Total embarassment to Minnesota."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,00:44   

Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,11:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.

He went for relative acceleration:
 
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The time to fall is measured in the time to collide, and not only does the Earth pull a falling object down, but the falling object pulls the Earth up.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,00:48   

Quote (jeffox @ May 08 2008,22:40)
Back into your cage now.  Yes, the one with the sign that says, "Total embarassment to Minnesota."

Don't feel too bad.  You guys have got Marge Gunderson.  Oh, wait...she's not real.  Ah, screw it, she's still cool.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,01:05   

Quote (jeffox @ May 09 2008,00:40)
"Total embarassment to Minnesota."

That would be PZ Myers.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,01:22   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,23:05)
 
Quote (jeffox @ May 09 2008,00:40)
"Total embarassment to Minnesota."

That would be PZ Myerscorrect.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,01:32   

Quote (didymos @ May 09 2008,00:44)
Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,11:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.

He went for relative acceleration:
 
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The time to fall is measured in the time to collide, and not only does the Earth pull a falling object down, but the falling object pulls the Earth up.

Come on, it is obvious that you were PZ Fan, and now you're fronting like you knew something about science.  

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PZ fan wrote:  You should study physics before making absurd claims. It is common knowledge that heavier objects do *not* fall faster than lighter objects in a vaccum.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,02:47   

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Hmn. †Show me a pinhole camera that has a focus adjustment.


I don't know if it is relevant, but sometimes at night and I don't have my glasses on, I create a "pinhole" with my index finger and actually, I can focus on the clock by adjusting the size of the pinhole.

Are you saying that is not possible?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,02:55   

Found this
 
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With an ordinary camera, the depth of focus reduces, as the aperture increases. With a pinhole camera, all distances are in the same focus because the aperture is extremely small. In other words, a pinhole camera appears to have infinite depth of focus. This means everything in the field of view is in focus.

When designing your pinhole camera it is important to choose a pinhole diameter that is appropriate for the focal length of your camera. The focal length is the distance from the pinhole to the film plane.


So seems that changing the diameter of the hole changes the focal length. More here
That sound about right Quack?

Now, if only the eye had the ability to change the size of the hole that light was coming in through....

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,03:12   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 09 2008,02:55)
Found this
† † †
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With an ordinary camera, the depth of focus reduces, as the aperture increases. With a pinhole camera, all distances are in the same focus because the aperture is extremely small. In other words, a pinhole camera appears to have infinite depth of focus. This means everything in the field of view is in focus.

When designing your pinhole camera it is important to choose a pinhole diameter that is appropriate for the focal length of your camera. The focal length is the distance from the pinhole to the film plane.


So seems that changing the diameter of the hole changes the focal length. More here
That sound about right Quack?

Now, if only the eye had the ability to change the size of the hole that light was coming in through....

Neat!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,03:35   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,19:02)
This crowd's fear to come discuss science at a science blog is duly noted. †

I knew you wouldn't put your actions where your words were.

Oh well, take care.

You mistake disinterest in plugging your ego for fear.

Why should anyone of any substance and intellect waste time on drivel producing little know-nothings like you?

As predicted all you are doing is finding excuses not to talk about science. Well done. I think we can all safely plonk you into the "to be mocked" bin without remorse now.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,03:42   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,23:32)
Quote (didymos @ May 09 2008,00:44)
 
Quote (dheddle @ May 08 2008,11:13)
Technically WW is correct re. falling bodies, although I am not sure if the trap he plans to spring is General Relativity or relative acceleration.

He went for relative acceleration:
   
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The time to fall is measured in the time to collide, and not only does the Earth pull a falling object down, but the falling object pulls the Earth up.

Come on, it is obvious that you were PZ Fan, and now you're fronting like you knew something about science.  

 
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PZ fan wrote:  You should study physics before making absurd claims. It is common knowledge that heavier objects do *not* fall faster than lighter objects in a vaccum.

Sorry William.  Never posted on your blog.  Stopped by once for a look around a couple months ago.  Never bothered reading it until you popped up in the 'Expelled' thread.  But if believing without proof that I am PZ Fan makes you feel that all is right with the world, go for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,03:49   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,23:53)
Hmn.  Show me a pinhole camera that has a focus adjustment.

Nautilus pinhole eyes can improve focus by adjusting the size of the pinhole.  But, to fulfill your request:

Ultra Mini Pinhole Camera Set    
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(edited because I forgot link to the Nautilus abstract)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,04:25   

Quote (William Wallace @ May 08 2008,23:53)
But back to the video, which has a pretty graphic (again) showing that the octopus evolved from the marine snail which evolved from the nautilus which evolved from the snail which evolved from the mussel...hmmn...Something smells fishy.  Can somebody confirm or disavow this graphic?  Anybody?

You're not getting the point, or pretending not to anyway.  Mussel -> Snail -> Nautilus -> Marine Snail -> Octopus is not intended to indicate a line of descent.  Their eyes are just convenient examples to illustrate the concept of how an eye like that of the Octopus can develop over time.  If all these different levels of ocular complexity can and do exist in presently successful species, it demonstrates that an actual octopus ancestor could have done alright for itself with less visual acumen than its descendants.

I'm guessing you've heard this before, but simply don't like it, and feel like complaining about it.  Complain away.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,06:33   

On behalf of the janitorial staff at PT Mafia headquarters, let me just say we'd appreciate it if you'd actually get around to discussing science and stop shitting on the carpet.

Again, discussion of moderation here can be discussed via PM, as per the rules of the board.  Bitching about PT's moderation is infantile given the circumstances, but should be taken up with the author of the PT post in question.

Posts bounced from PT are appropriate for the Bathroom Wall, it's the reason it's there in fact.  If you're having trouble finding the Bathroom Wall, I'll be happy to assist you.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 09 2008,06:39   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 09 2008,02:55)
Found this
 
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With an ordinary camera, the depth of focus reduces, as the aperture increases. With a pinhole camera, all distances are in the same focus because the aperture is extremely small. In other words, a pinhole camera appears to have infinite depth of focus. This means everything in the field of view is in focus.

When designing your pinhole camera it is important to choose a pinhole diameter that is appropriate for the focal length of your camera. The focal length is the distance from the pinhole to the film plane.


So seems that changing the diameter of the hole changes the focal length.

The size of the pinhole has nothing to do with focal length. It does, however, have a large impact on resolution by limiting the size of circles of confusion (a real phrase in the optical literature; smaller pinholes yield smaller circles of confusion, improving resolution) and degree to which diffraction contributes to the image (more diffraction decreases resolution and smaller pinholes yield more diffraction). It is because this one parameter induces countervailing effects on resolution that finding the right size pinhole for the situation at hand is critical.

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